RE: [Vo]:http://leonardocorp.com/ does not exist
Horace, from what I remember, Rossi did NOT want to do the demos; Focardi persuaded him into doing them... As far as responding to all the comments... Yes, seems like a waste of time, but I think he probably has at lesat some concern about what people think of him. If you're human, its hard not to... -Mark -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner [mailto:hheff...@mtaonline.net] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 11:46 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:http://leonardocorp.com/ does not exist On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:42 PM, Mark Iverson wrote: 1) He doesn't need anything from us, so he doesn't care what we think or want. Frankly, he's wasting his time answering all the questions about instances of discrepancies or misinformation. 2) Because he's an engineer, the best way to prove it works is to build something practical. If I were him, I wouldn't let anyone know where the units are being manufactured either! Same here. -Mark I am very curious as to why Rossi needed to waste time on the demo at all, much less respond to all the comments on his blog? Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
RE: [Vo]:http://leonardocorp.com/ does not exist
Hmmm Horace says he lives in Alaska... And, Rossi confirmed that the correct website for the U.S. company that will manufacture the devices: http://leonardocorp1996.com/ is in Bedford, NH... And, Palin says New Hampshire is Just Like Alaska... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yPpTyGN1_Q Gee, Horace, how's work up there in Alaska... ;-) ;-) How's the weather on the 'west' coast? ;-) ;-) Horace wrote: On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:42 PM, Mark Iverson wrote: If I were him, I wouldn't let anyone know where the units are being manufactured either! Same here. Sign any NDA's in the last year or two, Horace? LoL -Mark
Re: [Vo]:http://leonardocorp.com/ does not exist
On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:26 PM, Mark Iverson wrote: Hmmm Horace says he lives in Alaska... And, Rossi confirmed that the correct website for the U.S. company that will manufacture the devices: http://leonardocorp1996.com/ is in Bedford, NH... And, Palin says New Hampshire is Just Like Alaska... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yPpTyGN1_Q Gee, Horace, how's work up there in Alaska... ;-) ;-) How's the weather on the 'west' coast? ;-) ;-) Horace wrote: On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:42 PM, Mark Iverson wrote: If I were him, I wouldn't let anyone know where the units are being manufactured either! Same here. Sign any NDA's in the last year or two, Horace? LoL -Mark No one would make me sign an NDA. No one ever reads the stuff I write, so why bother? 8^) Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Does the diproton solve the neutrino problem?
Jones, I have been in this path of understanding for quite some time now. I agree with your statement and I too, am waiting for the scientific world to wake up to this understanding. Thank you for your post. I am going to forward it to another research group who specializes in monoatomic energy and ZPE. Thank you David DVD From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 2:19:22 PM Subject: [Vo]:Does the diproton solve the neutrino problem? Resend: vortexapparentlylost the original post. Until 1939, nobody knew how fusion might proceed in the sun because the most obvious reaction in dense hydrogen plasmas would be two protons going to helium-2, which as it turns out would be unstable due to Pauli exclusion - thus immediately dissociating back to protons. That is when Hans Bethe proposed that one of the two protons periodically decays to a neutron in that short time span – transmuting to deuterium, which is far more stable. This decay by a positron is extraordinarily rare, but serves to limit a runaway PP chain reaction–and the rate comesto close to the known energy release level, which can be calculated accurately. This work in solar nucleosynthesis won the Nobel Prize for Hans, but it led to a number of difficult issues – involving what became known as the solar neutrino problem.Currently, the solar neutrino problem is assumed to havebeen solved by a revised “understanding”of the properties of neutrinos– called oscillation. This ‘fix’ has itself been considered by some to be completely inadequate, due to conflicting experimental results. Experiments which should provide the best results for oscillation, like theMiniBooNE in 2007,end upcontradictingpriorfindings.In short – oscillation may not have solved the problem after all. If not, we are back to square one.And according to the Standard Model, the three different kinds of neutrinos:electron,muon,and taualways presented a huge glossed-over “mass problem” if oscillation does happen, in that the mass difference between the three suggested the conversion of energy to mass at an unprecedented scale but with no indicia. Let’s leave that for another day and return to the transitory helium isotope known as the “diproton” for an alternative explanation which address the neutrino deficit from the perspective ofanother reaction. IOW there is a second gainful energy release which is notnecessarilyfusion, and it does notnecessarilyoccur in the solar core. But it is not Millsean‘shrinkage’either. First – the obvious: there is no deficit to explain when there is energy production equal to about half the known solar heat output, but coming from the solar corona, if the kind of reaction does not produce neutrinos. That is almost a “duh-moment” but is never mentioned in polite company, since it makes everyone a tad uncomfortable to suggest that something like hydrinos or even worse: ZPE - could provide about half the solarthermaloutput - yet without knownnuclear fusionreactions. Heresy! You can see how the suggestion of ZPE would not just rock the boat, but rock the world of solar astronomy to its core. Still, ask you self how crankythisis,in comparison with an “oscillation model” that suggests massive changes in mass-energy of neutrinos, yet with no apparent side effects ! Next, in this simplified summary of the argument, we consider the solar corona and monatomic hydrogen as the solution to the problem. We know that the corona is far hotter than the interior of the sun, and the emission lines show that much of it is monatomic hydrogen, oscillating between plasma and monatomic states. No one can adequately explain why the corona is orders of magnitude hotter,especiallyif there is no basic energy production happeningthere! Clearly, the standard model does not allow for gainful energy reactions in the corona. Randell Mills claimed to have solved the neutrino problem by suggesting that theneutrinodeficit can be explained by non-nuclear (hydrino) reactions. His model has been neglected and ignored - but when considered closely by the few who will listen,itsuffersfatallyfrom what he did not explain– why the reaction would not be complete reversible in energybalance, and thus net neutral, due to the intense gamma radiation instigating ‘reinflation’. Geeze, that is why we call them ‘ground states’, Randy! In the end, hydrinos are probably not the correct answer because the reaction would be nearly net neutral. BUT we must then ask: is there another ‘corona model’ to step-in where Mills’ hydrino has failed? Maybe. Thisisthe diproton QBEC model for creation of a transitoryhelium nucleus consisting of two protons and no neutronswhich immediately decays BUT depositing net energy into the corona via ZPE.Whoa! You can hear the response from the mainstream already: Not the dreaded ZPE again! Diprotons are not stable due to spin-spin
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct
Please keep in mind that the following quotes have been extracted from individuals whose opinions may have changed (or moderated) in subtle ways later on in the on-going thread. From Mr. Lawrence: I would bet a dollar to a doughnut that Levi doesn't believe it's for real, no matter what he says in interviews. Rothwell responds: Hmmm . . . That is not my impression, but you could be right. Villa expresses many doubts. Perhaps Levi shares them with him. Keep in mind, in the NyTeknic article out at: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3083834.ece Levi is quoted as allegedly saying the following 2/3 of the way down: ... He [Levi] emphasizes that the experiment must be carefully prepared with a very strict protocol to avoid any doubt. It includes measuring any amount of copper produced – a sign of fusion between nickel and hydrogen. “I know that Focardi (professor emeritus and Rossi’s scientific advisor) and Rossi have seen copper. I have known Focardi for years and have worked with him (...) and do not doubt his ability or his professionalism – nor Rossi’s, as I’ve had the opportunity to meet him and he seems very serious. But to verify this, we need to use very stringent methods so that no one will have any doubt.” “I would like to organize it calmly. Next week engineer Rossi will be here and then we discuss the set up. He said he’s willing to repeat the experiment. Again, please note commentary directly attributed to Levi: I have known Focardi for years and have worked with him (...) and do not doubt his ability or his professionalism – nor Rossi’s, as I’ve had the opportunity to meet him and he seems very serious. Seems to me that speculation suggesting that Levi (inwardly) suspects that Rossi's Focardi's prototype isn't for real would, by default, leave no other alternative than to imply that Levi, himself, is nothing more than a big fat liar. ...just another sinister cog in the disinformation wheel - deliberately leading observers astray. Granted, we can continue speculating all we wish on matters of this nature. Nevertheless, all I can say is that at present such speculation isn't the impression the article gives me. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct
Nope, wrong first name. update on Defkalion Green Technologies I am uploading this since I see more traffic towards this blog So, it's not Defkalion energy. It's Defkalion green Technologies. Or isn't it? I don't know what to make of it. I got a phone call --from a cell phone-- by a person claiming to be Symeon Tsalikoglou calling on behalf of Defkalion Green Technologies. I have no reason to doubt him at this point. He repeated that they are not willing to share any contact details of their company and hinted that there will be an announcement on national TV tomorrow related to the Rossi reactor. Tomorrow is saturday, february the 5th. I will be watching the news. http://talefta.blogspot.com/2011_02_01_archive.html Anybody get Greek TV on their cable? T On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: ? http://gr.linkedin.com/in/stavrostsalikoglou
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct
On 02/04/2011 10:01 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Please keep in mind that the following quotes have been extracted from individuals whose opinions may have changed (or moderated) in subtle ways later on in the on-going thread. ... [NYT:] He [Levi] emphasizes that the experiment must be carefully prepared with a very strict protocol to avoid any doubt. And implies that there needs to be a further replication. If he's so convinced, why the need for further testing? It includes measuring any amount of copper produced – a sign of fusion between nickel and hydrogen. Right. Someone besides Rossi needs to measure it -- that's how I read this. “I know that Focardi (professor emeritus and Rossi’s scientific advisor) and Rossi have seen copper. I have known Focardi for years and have worked with him (...) He has known Focardi for years, and trusts him. Clearly. And Focardi and Rossi have seen copper -- but it's only Rossi who goes inside the gadget, so, as Levi must realize, this really means Rossi has seen copper, and Rossi could be putting one over on Focardi here. and do not doubt his ability or his professionalism – nor Rossi’s, as I’ve had the opportunity to meet him and he seems very serious. But to verify this, we need to use very stringent methods so that no one will have any doubt.” Again, this sounds like future tense -- Levi thinks this still needs to be verified. At least, that's how I read this. “I would like to organize it calmly. Next week engineer Rossi will be here and then we discuss the set up. He said he’s willing to repeat the experiment. Again, Levi doesn't seem convinced -- he wants more testing. Again, please note commentary directly attributed to Levi: I have known Focardi for years and have worked with him (...) Yes, he trusts Focardi. But Focardi isn't privy to what's actually inside the reactor, as Levi knows perfectly well. and do not doubt his ability or his professionalism – nor Rossi’s, as I’ve had the opportunity to meet him and he seems very serious. He says Rossi seems very serious. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement. Seems to me that speculation suggesting that Levi (inwardly) suspects that Rossi's Focardi's prototype isn't for real would, by default, leave no other alternative than to imply that Levi, himself, is nothing more than a big fat liar. No, not in the least. His statements are thoroughly hedged. He's obviously not accusing Rossi of anything, but he sure doesn't sound totally convinced to me. Again, this thing is an incredible breakthrough, and Levi (and everybody else involved) knows it. But he sure doesn't sound to me like somebody who has Seen The Millennium Arrive.
Re: [Vo]:http://leonardocorp.com/ does not exist
From Mark Iverson: ... Just assume for one second that the demo was real, and that you are Rossi and have been pouring in your financial livelihood into making those first 100 reactors... Would you publish the location for all the world to see... Hell NO!!! That would be the most idiotic thing to do... If so, you'd be setting yourself up for major problems, and financial ruin. A savvy individual would not do anything to jeopardize the success of that first operating plant... He doesn't need anything from anyone to make it successful other than for people to leave him alone so he can complete the work. I am in sympathy with Mark's perception on the matter - with the strong caveat that I really don't know for sure what's going on in Rossi's mind. All I can say is that if I had developed such a magic wunder box, and my intention was to get it demonstrated in a way I hoped would be convincing (like, totally, man!) to a skeptical world, the last thing I would EVER want to have to deal with, especially during the construction phase, would be hoards of reporters, believers, gawkers, and debunkers snooping and poking about the premise. Damned straight I would generate disinformation... even if it meant temporarily sacrificing my reputation ...anything to get unwanted eyes off my back. Granted, most of us have ideas as to how we personally would have preferred Rossi Focardi go about convincing a skeptical world of the legitimacy of their magic wunder box. Be that as it may, the impression I've gotten is the fact that Rossi Focardi have not been able to agree amongst THEMSELVES as to how best to accomplish that goal. Therefore, how can anyone on this list assume that they know better, or more to the point, that they would be capable of convincing Rossi on how best to pursue a more sensible path when, again, the truth of the matter is the fact that the dynamic Italian duo can't agree amongst themselves on how to do that. My two cents. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct
Much of the on-going speculation, of which I, too, am guilty of having propagated, reminds me of a poignant and all-too-brief scene I recall from the recent apocalyptic film titled, 2012, - which by the way was a really awful film. 100% special effects - 0% plot. Out in the wild snow-capped mountains of Tibet we see two monks who are conversing with each other, a young student, and a wise old master. The young student is in an agitated state. The student is trying to talk his way through a multitude of personal misgivings pertaining to a spate of global warning signs for which he recently has become aware of. It's all in the news, he tells his master! And what are all these government officials doing near our village - digging and excavating vast tunnels within the mountain. What is happening to the world! What can we do! This is terrible! The wise old monk gazes at his troubled student. The master picks up a tea kettle and proceeds to pour tea into his student's empty cup. He pours, and continues to pour while the student watches on. Inevitably, the tea begins to flow over the brim of the student's cup. The student exclaims to his master to stop pouring more tea. Can't the old master see that his cup is overflowing? That was precisely the point the master was trying to make to his young agitated student. The student's incessant agitation, all that speculation about things he had no control over was nothing more than tea overflowing over the top of his cup. * * * * I truly grieved when in the movie the special effects artist depicted a massive tidal wave rushing over the tops of the Himalayan mountains - fast approaching the wise old monk who sat calmly in the center of his hut, a hut that had been built on top of a mountain. When the old master spotted the first wave he got up and began ringing a warning bell. All he could do was witness the spectacle heading straight for him, as if he was nothing more than a fly facing a fly swatter. Damn! If anyone should have survived the ensuing global disaster, it should have been that wise old monk. BTW, the young student monk DID survive the calamity, minus one of his extremities, but hopefully wiser from the experience. Bah! Hollywood! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct
Tibetan monks always survivein another body. T
Re: [Vo]:Rossi corrects website and company name
2011/2/4 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Rossi gave the corrected name for the company in Greece as DEFKALION GREEN TECHNOLOGIES. It may be the official web site of the company: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/index.html --- Sengaku
RE: [Vo]:http://leonardocorp.com/ does not exist
It's not just the hoards of reporters and gawkers, they're just annoying... There are numerous entities whose power is severely threatened by this type of technology; they have much to lose, and would probably go to great lengths to either buy it, squash it, or at least delay it's introduction as long as possible. I wouldn't want to give them a calling card to, what will soon be, their nemesis... If he's got what he says, and the reactors are almost ready to go, and they're simply waiting on regulatory authorization, then I probably would not have even done the demo since it would likely cause additional scrutiny by the regulatory agencies... And that will just delay things. I think Focardi was anticipating ridicule and disbelief at the 1MW plant inauguration if they didn't at least begin to work on credibility with the scientific community... And I have to say, that makes sense.. The reporters are going to go to them for commentary on the believability of the technology... So Focardi was probably advising him with all good intentions and got him to do the demo... But now, there is considerably more (understatement) scrutiny than before, and that could delay things... Tough decisions... As far as (intentionally) generating disinformation... I don't think I'd go that far... He's been careful to keep certain details to himself, so I don't think he's been pushed to lead people astray. Also, it could be that some of the erroneous info comes from third-party articles or reports, and we have all seen how many factual errors are in just about every web-article so far. Still Hopeful! -Mark -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson [mailto:svj.orionwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 7:27 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:http://leonardocorp.com/ does not exist ... All I can say is that if I had developed such a magic wunder box, and my intention was to get it demonstrated in a way I hoped would be convincing (like, totally, man!) to a skeptical world, the last thing I would EVER want to have to deal with, especially during the construction phase, would be hoards of reporters, believers, gawkers, and debunkers snooping and poking about the premise. Damned straight I would generate disinformation... even if it meant temporarily sacrificing my reputation ...anything to get unwanted eyes off my back. ... Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:ICCF16 Rossi section
From Jed: From a PDF file just received: ... 12.30 F . C elani M.Melich : Brief Report on Rossi-Focardi 10 KW Demo : Additional Remarks on Rossi-Focardi Experiment For me this truly begs a nagging question. Of what importance, if any, could actually be discussed at such a meeting conducted by Melich. It's my understanding, according to Krivit, that Rossi has stated that Melich is NOT speaking on his behalf. ON WHOSE BEHALF IS MELICH SPEAKING FOR? What's Melich's objective? What's in it for him? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Replicating Rossi's experiment by chemical means
The 1 - 1.5 hr duration Rossi demonstration experiment typically involves a preliminary heating phase that produces some steam and water vapor, with elevated heating power supplied, about 1 kW, followed by 30-40 minutes of steam production with 0.40 kW supplied. Supporting background references are appended. The Rossi experiment could be faked by chemically generating about 2 kW of power for 30 minutes, or about 1 kWh, or 3.6 MJ. (See justification appended.) This power level and corresponding energy release can be accomplished by (1) the generation of energy via the adsorbtion of water vapor by zeolite or other exothermic water adsorbtion reaction, and (2) the storage of thermal energy during the preliminary heating phase. The energy supplied in a 30 min pre-heating phase could amount to up to 0.5 kWh. This is not of major significance, other than the pre- heating of water and zeolite (in separate compartments, but with vapor access to the zeolite) in the device to near 100 °C is required to supply water vapor to the zeolite upon (input power) demand. Now to examine the chemical energy storage available. Chemical energy could be produced by exposing zeolite in the device to water vapor produced by boiling the water using (1) initially heat from an electric heating element, and then (2) heat from the zeolite water vapor adsorbtion itself. One kg zeolite can generate 50 kJ in one minute, or 0.83 kJ/s = 830 W. The total heat stored per gram of dry zeolite is 1.3 kJ. Total zeolite required to generate 3.6 MJ is 2.3 kg. The 2.3 kg can output 1.9 kW, right on target. The density of zeolite can be about 1.6 gm/cm^3, so 2.3 kg requires 1.4 liters, well within the apparently available volume enclosed in foil in the experiment. Note that, if the device is configured properly, with the zeolite in a container separate from the water, but configured so that heat from the vapor adsorbtion by the zeolite is transferred to a stored pre- heated (in first phase) water bath, the device can even exhibit heat after death, i.e. power production with no external input. Water vapor boiled by the heat from zeolite water vapor adsorption then is passed through the zeolite container wall to boil more water, and perpetuates the heat generation by passing the resulting vapor through the zeolite container, until the zeolite is saturated. The main problem with this scenario is that it is very time limited. A device which runs for a day or so would eliminate the ability to reproduce Rossi's results by chemical means. It could be that Ni loaded zeolite in H2 could be Rossi's medium for Pd-H reactions, and that this actually works to create nuclear energy. In fact, my deflation fusion theory papers spell out the advantages of gas loading at high temperature and then reducing temperature to stress orbitals, and thermally cycling to enhance tunneling rates. See: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/CFnuclearReactions.pdf and my papers referenced therein. Kidwell et al, http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/KidwellDdoesgasloa.pdf http://tinyurl.com/4a9khcx and Grabowski et al, http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2010/ARL/Pres/ 10Grabowski-NRL-Efforts-Spanning-Tthe-Last-8-Years.pdf http://tinyurl.com/4jm6hkg have shown there is potential promise, and/or chemical energy deceptions, for this zeolite loading method in the Pd-D regime. It could also be that Rossi's experimental result is merely an honest mistake, thinking that excess energy is present when it is not. Time will tell. The suggested method of duplicating the Rossi experiment by chemical means can be scaled up, both in parallel and in series. However, the thermal output for 100 devices would then very obviously be 200 kW, not 1.2 MW. The output from 500 devices, or even just 100 devices with 5 times the zeolite, would produce a MW of thermal output, however. If the device actually creates nuclear reactions, then there is, according to deflation fusion theory, a good prospect that hyperons and hypernuclei are also created. There is just a bit of evidence K0_long kaons were being created, because a low level of radiation was observed by Celani that was erratic. Celani reports: I brought my own gamma detector, a battery-operated 1.25″ NaI(Tl) with an energy range=25keV-2000keV. I measured some increase of counts near the reactor (about 50-100%) during operation, in an erratic (unstable) way, with respect to background. See: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/01/18/rossi-and-focardi-lenr- device-celani-report/ http://tinyurl.com/4djya8 The production of kaons would appear erratic because (1) it is a function of cosmic ray activity, (2) it has a chain reaction quality to it that depends on hyperon build-up, i.e. hyperon and hypernuclei density in the active material, and (3) the positron decay intensity for the K0_long particles
RE: [Vo]:ICCF16 Rossi section
Even if Melich is not speaking for Rossi, he has a lot to gain from 'reporting' on the demo... Perceptions in the business world are critical, and the person who can create/foster the perception that they are the 'goto' person, the person 'in-the-know', will inevitably gain from it... They will get exposure and name recognition, and be in a better position to profit from the developments, even though they weren't directly responsible for them. -Mark -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson [mailto:svj.orionwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 9:40 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:ICCF16 Rossi section For me this truly begs a nagging question. Of what importance, if any, could actually be discussed at such a meeting conducted by Melich. It's my understanding, according to Krivit, that Rossi has stated that Melich is NOT speaking on his behalf. ON WHOSE BEHALF IS MELICH SPEAKING FOR? What's Melich's objective? What's in it for him? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:ICCF16 Rossi section
Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: For me this truly begs a nagging question. Of what importance, if any, could actually be discussed at such a meeting conducted by Melich. A great deal. Melich has a lot of technical info on this. He has read the papers published by Rossi and understands them better than I do. It's my understanding, according to Krivit, that Rossi has stated that Melich is NOT speaking on his behalf. No one speaks for Rossi. ON WHOSE BEHALF IS MELICH SPEAKING FOR? What's Melich's objective? What's in it for him? That's a really dumb comment. This is a scientific conference. He is speaking on behalf of science, reporting technical facts. That's what people do at conferences. His objective is to enlighten his colleagues. This is not a secret conspiracy or a pulp thriller. It is real life. It is a physics conference. Dull as dishwater, believe me. - Jed
[Vo]:Video Clips of Ferrite Incandescence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RKZCPSvoQk 2.8 DCA 3.6 DCA 3/8ths width ferrite incandescence with corresponding 3 phase AC inputs. HDN Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/
Re: [Vo]:ICCF16 Rossi section
From Jed: Some follow-up comments. For me this truly begs a nagging question. Of what importance, if any, could actually be discussed at such a meeting conducted by Melich. A great deal. Melich has a lot of technical info on this. He has read the papers published by Rossi and understands them better than I do. I hope your perception on this particular matter is accurate. I'll elaborate some more on that matter further on down. It's my understanding, according to Krivit, that Rossi has stated that Melich is NOT speaking on his behalf. No one speaks for Rossi. Make sense to me. ON WHOSE BEHALF IS MELICH SPEAKING FOR? What's Melich's objective? What's in it for him? That's a really dumb comment. This is a scientific conference. He is speaking on behalf of science, reporting technical facts. That's what people do at conferences. His objective is to enlighten his colleagues. This is not a secret conspiracy or a pulp thriller. It is real life. It is a physics conference. Dull as dishwater, believe me. I'm certainly not immune to occasionally making dumb comments or completely misinterpreting events. I'm also not immune to misinterpreting the personal motivations of others. Shoot! Sometime I don't know what my own personal motivations might be at a particularly pregnant moment of time. I continue to surprise myself! Nevertheless, the dumbness of my commentary is to a large extent derived from the puzzling comments one can retrieve from Krivit's own assessment of Melich. For example, Krivit sez the following: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/36/3625rf-melichmacy.shtml Excerpt: For many years, Melich has gone out of his way to give people in the LENR field, including me, the impression that he is a covert intelligence agent, specifically tasked by the U.S. government to promote and keep an eye on “cold fusion.” Many people in the field have believed this and consequently have responded to him deferentially and with unusual openness. One problem with his methods is that true covert operators never try to give people the impression that they are covert operators. I guess I should come out of the closet here and reveal an insignificant personal fact. For a short period last year I was an active BoD member on Mr. Krivit's NET magazine. FYI, Others within the Vort Collective, (who shall remain nameless) have also been BoD members. Therefore, for me to confess the fact that I was at one time a BoD member is not that big of a deal. To clarify, the duration of my BoD participation didn't last terribly long. After some official BoD deliberation it finally came to a point where we mutually agreed upon the fact that the best course of action would be for me to resign, particularly when it became obvious that Mr. Krivit and I shared different POVs on several matters. While our last official NET-BoD communications might have been described as, how shall I put it... somewhat contentious, it remains my hope that Krivit and I parted amicably. We certainly wished each other well. And now, with that little bit of personal soap-opera drama out of the way, I would like to once again express a concern that Melich seems to have acquired a mysterious mystique about himself, this depending on who you talk to. I gather Mr. Krivit acquired questions pertaining to Melich's activities and speculated motivations. To be honest, I don't know what to think about this particular matter. I've never met Melich in person. Therefore, I have to rely on the perceptions others have acquired.I honestly don't know if Krivit's concerns are valid or not. I refuse to pass judgment on Krivit's perceptions, other than to express the fact that there probably are reasons as to why Krivit acquired such concern. I am not privy to the specifics, however, and as such I don't wish to add more disinformation and unfounded speculation to the stew. I only wish to reiterate a perception that Melich seems to have acquired a mystique about himself - that perhaps to some extent that mystique seems to have served Melich in strategically advantageous ways. I hope that might help explain why I originally asked the dumb question: What's Melich's objective? What's in it for him? Inquiring minds want to know. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:ICCF16 Rossi section
No, Steven, it wasn't a 'dumb comment'... Jed is more like an extrovert and what first comes to his mind comes out his mouth... Then he thinks about it! :-) It is certainly appropriate that *someone* report on the Rossi-Focardi demo at ICCF-16, but who? Are there any researchers at ICCF-16 who were also present at the Italy demo? That would be the most appropriate person to provide a report, with perhaps supporting comments from others if the first-person account is not that familiar with the Ni-H research... Anxious to hear what's coming out at ICCF-16 in all areas of LENR... Are there any Vorts there??? Jed? -Mark -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson [mailto:svj.orionwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 12:58 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:ICCF16 Rossi section From Jed: Some follow-up comments. For me this truly begs a nagging question. Of what importance, if any, could actually be discussed at such a meeting conducted by Melich. A great deal. Melich has a lot of technical info on this. He has read the papers published by Rossi and understands them better than I do. I hope your perception on this particular matter is accurate. I'll elaborate some more on that matter further on down. It's my understanding, according to Krivit, that Rossi has stated that Melich is NOT speaking on his behalf. No one speaks for Rossi. Make sense to me. ON WHOSE BEHALF IS MELICH SPEAKING FOR? What's Melich's objective? What's in it for him? That's a really dumb comment. This is a scientific conference. He is speaking on behalf of science, reporting technical facts. That's what people do at conferences. His objective is to enlighten his colleagues. This is not a secret conspiracy or a pulp thriller. It is real life. It is a physics conference. Dull as dishwater, believe me. I'm certainly not immune to occasionally making dumb comments or completely misinterpreting events. I'm also not immune to misinterpreting the personal motivations of others. Shoot! Sometime I don't know what my own personal motivations might be at a particularly pregnant moment of time. I continue to surprise myself! Nevertheless, the dumbness of my commentary is to a large extent derived from the puzzling comments one can retrieve from Krivit's own assessment of Melich. For example, Krivit sez the following: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/36/3625rf-melichmacy.shtml Excerpt: For many years, Melich has gone out of his way to give people in the LENR field, including me, the impression that he is a covert intelligence agent, specifically tasked by the U.S. government to promote and keep an eye on cold fusion. Many people in the field have believed this and consequently have responded to him deferentially and with unusual openness. One problem with his methods is that true covert operators never try to give people the impression that they are covert operators. I guess I should come out of the closet here and reveal an insignificant personal fact. For a short period last year I was an active BoD member on Mr. Krivit's NET magazine. FYI, Others within the Vort Collective, (who shall remain nameless) have also been BoD members. Therefore, for me to confess the fact that I was at one time a BoD member is not that big of a deal. To clarify, the duration of my BoD participation didn't last terribly long. After some official BoD deliberation it finally came to a point where we mutually agreed upon the fact that the best course of action would be for me to resign, particularly when it became obvious that Mr. Krivit and I shared different POVs on several matters. While our last official NET-BoD communications might have been described as, how shall I put it... somewhat contentious, it remains my hope that Krivit and I parted amicably. We certainly wished each other well. And now, with that little bit of personal soap-opera drama out of the way, I would like to once again express a concern that Melich seems to have acquired a mysterious mystique about himself, this depending on who you talk to. I gather Mr. Krivit acquired questions pertaining to Melich's activities and speculated motivations. To be honest, I don't know what to think about this particular matter. I've never met Melich in person. Therefore, I have to rely on the perceptions others have acquired.I honestly don't know if Krivit's concerns are valid or not. I refuse to pass judgment on Krivit's perceptions, other than to express the fact that there probably are reasons as to why Krivit acquired such concern. I am not privy to the specifics, however, and as such I don't wish to add more disinformation and unfounded speculation to the stew. I only wish to reiterate a perception that Melich seems to have acquired a mystique about himself - that perhaps to some extent that mystique seems to have served Melich in strategically advantageous ways. I hope that
Re: [Vo]:Re: Faking a Rossi experiment
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:21:15 -0900: Hi, [snip] It could also be that Rossi's experimental result is merely an honest mistake, thinking that excess energy is present when it is not. [snip] That might be so were it not for his additional statement in the patent that he has been running a generator for months at the EON factory. The latter is either true or not. If it's a lie then much else may be a lie too, if it's true, then it is highly unlikely that the demo is based upon delusion. In short it's either real or fraud, delusion is pretty much ruled out. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:http://leonardocorp.com/ does not exist
Looking at whois turns up this information for the domain name. Unfortunately no direct Registrant Contact, Administrative Contact or Technical Contact information MoB WHOIS information for leonardocorp.com : [Querying whois.verisign-grs.com] [whois.verisign-grs.com] Whois Server Version 2.0 Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. Domain Name: LEONARDOCORP.COM Registrar: MELBOURNE IT, LTD. D/B/A INTERNET NAMES WORLDWIDE Whois Server: whois.melbourneit.com Referral URL: http://www.melbourneit.com Name Server: NS.IWEBHOSTING.COM Name Server: NS2.IWEBHOSTING.COM Status: ok Updated Date: 21-mar-2010 Creation Date: 23-apr-2005 Expiration Date: 23-apr-2011 == WHOIS information for melbourneit.com : [Querying whois.verisign-grs.com] [whois.verisign-grs.com] Whois Server Version 2.0 Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. Domain Name: MELBOURNEIT.COM Registrar: MELBOURNE IT, LTD. D/B/A INTERNET NAMES WORLDWIDE Whois Server: whois.melbourneit.com Referral URL: http://www.melbourneit.com Name Server: NS1.MELBOURNEIT.COM.AU Name Server: NS2.MELBOURNEIT.COM.AU Status: clientDeleteProhibited Status: clientTransferProhibited Updated Date: 21-mar-2010 Creation Date: 05-apr-1999 Expiration Date: 05-apr-2013 = WHOIS information for IWEBHOSTING.com : [Querying whois.verisign-grs.com] [Redirected to whois.enom.com] [Querying whois.enom.com] [whois.enom.com] =-=-=-= Visit AboutUs.org for more information about iwebhosting.com Registration Service Provided By: Interlution Contact: doma...@interlution.com Visit: http://www.interlution.com Domain name: iwebhosting.com Registrant Contact: Interlution Domain Manager () Fax: 3111 W DR MLK BLVD STE 100 TAMPA, FL 33607-6232 US Administrative Contact: Interlution Domain Manager (doma...@interlution.com) +1.8133848450 Fax: 3111 W DR MLK BLVD STE 100 TAMPA, FL 33607-6232 US Technical Contact: Interlution Domain Manager (doma...@interlution.com) +1.8133848450 Fax: 3111 W DR MLK BLVD STE 100 TAMPA, FL 33607-6232 US Status: Locked Name Servers: ns1.above.com ns2.above.com Creation date: 07 Dec 1998 05:00:00 Expiration date: 06 Dec 2011 05:00:00
Re: [Vo]:Rossi corrects website and company name
Maybe of interest. MoB == HOIS information for defkalion-energy.com : [Querying whois.verisign-grs.com] [Redirected to whois.enom.com] [Querying whois.enom.com] [whois.enom.com] =-=-=-= Visit AboutUs.org for more information about defkalion-energy.com Registration Service Provided By: IP.GR Contact: i...@ip.gr Visit: http://www.ip.gr Domain name: defkalion-energy.com Registrant Contact: ANDREAS MEINTANIS () Fax: KONTOULI 31 ELEFSINA, ELEFSINA 19200 GR Administrative Contact: ANDREAS MEINTANIS (dimitrios.meida...@gmail.com) +30.6979984978 Fax: +30.2105546559 KONTOULI 31 ELEFSINA, ELEFSINA 19200 GR Technical Contact: ANDREAS MEINTANIS (dimitrios.meida...@gmail.com) +30.6979984978 Fax: +30.2105546559 KONTOULI 31 ELEFSINA, ELEFSINA 19200 GR Status: Locked Name Servers: ns1.server68.net ns1.server68.net ns2.server68.net Creation date: 13 Jan 2011 20:00:00 Expiration date: 13 Jan 2013 15:00:00
Re: [Vo]:ICCF16 Rossi section
On 02/04/2011 03:57 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: For a short period last year I was an active BoD member on Mr. Krivit's NET magazine. What's a BoD? An internet search for BoD turned up a number of enticing possibilities, including Bag of Doughnuts, Battery Operated Device, and Bringer of Death, though I suppose the rather mundane Board of Directors, which appeared quite far down the list, might be more likely. Is that it? (Does Steve Krivit really have a board of directors? I thought his NET magazine was just him -- it takes an entire board to direct him?)
Re: [Vo]:ICCF16 Rossi section
Mr Lawrence sez: What's a BoD? In this case: Board of Directors But right now, I could use a doughnut. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:ICCF16 Rossi section
It would seem advantageous to all participating ICCF-16 participants to track down a legitimate witness to the December/January Italian demonstration, hopefully a physics professor. Make an offer he can't refuse. Personally fly him to ICCF-16, promise to pay his hotel room, and all his meals... SPARE NO EXPENSE. Get him to the conference on time... any which way you can. Forge his passport! Shoot him up with all the necessary inoculations before stuffing him on a midnight jet bound for India. [Of course, I'm just kidding about all that illegal passport stuff inoculation activity.] There have been enuf shenanigans. Nevertheless, I'm dead serious about getting in contact with an eye-witness. There's an easy way to get someone to participate in the conference: ARRANGE FOR, AND HOOK UP A TELECONFERENCE CALL. MAKE ARRANGEMENTS THAT *IS* DOABLE DO IT!!! MAKE SUCH ACTIONS HAPPEN! MAKE IT SO! Regards, Steven Picard Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:http://leonardocorp.com/ does not exist
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Looking at whois turns up this information for the domain name. That's the wrong one. I posted the right one here: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg42246.html T
Re: [Vo]:Replicating Rossi at home
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:45:10 -0800: Hi, [snip] Hi, Have you studied the Lawandy paper? http://apl.aip.org/applab/v95/i23/p234101_s1?view=fulltextbypassSSO=1 I suggest it is the most important insight available in explaining what is happening with nano-nickel. When this was first mentioned in 2010, I wrote to Lawandy suggesting that dielectric breakdown could be a problem. I cc'd vortex at the time, so my messages should be in the archives. The dates are 4-7 July 2010. The subject was: Interactions of charged particles on surfaces. I still don't think his theory is realistic (see in particular my post of 7 July.) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct
Terry e.a., The whois information for the domain defkalion-energy.com lists a different email address as you may have noticed. ANDREAS MEINTANIS (dimitrios.meida...@gmail.com) i.s.o. **stsalikog...@gmail.com* mailto:stsalikog...@gmail.com* Did anyone already send an email to this email address of Andreas? B.t.w. for official business I don't like any gmail, hotmail, etc. email address; this doesn't look professional at all to me (to use it for email on a mailing list to filter spam etc. is a total different ballgame ;-) I think they should use something like nomen-nes...@defkalion-energy.com and not i...@defkalion-energy.com or postma...@defkalion-energy.com to be contacted. MoB On 4-2-2011 2:11, Terry Blanton wrote: I did a research on Defkalion energy. It seems that the company is located in number 3, Xenofondos street, in Halandri, Athens. A few days ago, I emailed stsalikog...@gmail.com Defkalion Energy
RE: [Vo]:Replicating Rossi at home
Have you studied the Lawandy paper? http://apl.aip.org/applab/v95/i23/p234101_s1?view=fulltextbypassSSO=1 I suggest it is the most important insight available in explaining what is happening with nano-nickel. When this was first mentioned in 2010, I wrote to Lawandy suggesting that dielectric breakdown could be a problem. I cc'd vortex at the time, so my messages should be in the archives. The dates are 4-7 July 2010. The subject was: Interactions of charged particles on surfaces. I still don't think his theory is realistic (see in particular my post of 7 July.) Robin, Lawandy's reply to you is exactly on target IMO: the space between the ion and the surface is just the electron cloud at the surface... there is nothing to breakdown. This builds on the voluminous experimental work of Arnold Kelly where the electron charge builds up on a strong dielectric surface first, followed by the positive ion. If there were going to breakdown, Kelly would have seen it in actual experiment, and did not. Perhaps you don't like it because you prefer the hydrino explanation better? :) Jones
[Vo]:Magnetic field triggering
IN the new IE, issue 95, there is a provocative article by Chubb and Letts. Magnetic Field Triggering of Excess Power. There is a lot going on in this piece, and the overall aim seems to be that they are trying to frame a theory - IBST - based on ion band states, which is beyond my pay scale to comprehend. And there is a lot of other interesting stuff in the article as well, but what is curious to me is the what they glossed over. If you look at fig. 9 on page 43, they get this fantastic spike in power by changing the magnetic field wrt cathode in H20. But they make a point that this has no lasting effect (beyond the 20-30 second spike). In D2O, in contrast, there is a far lesser power boost from magnetic shifting, but a lasting effect. Needless to say, the theoretical work with ion bands pertains to deuterium fusing to helium. What strikes me as odd, is that instead of considering how to optimize the huge spike in plain water, where the excess power goes up from near zero to 1,200, or five times more than with deuterium, they seem to ignore the possibility - and instead focus on deuterium, where the excess never gets far over 200. Best I can tell, this lack of interest is because hydrogen may not fit into the IBS theory. However, hydrogen offers so much more commercial opportunity - one wonders if this is something they will get back to later, or what? Sometimes nature offers you a unexpectedly lucky insight into its inner workings, the so-called Goodyear moment and you can stay focused on what you were doing before - or leave the blinders on, and hopefully get back to it later. It's clear that these are high quality experimenters, who have noted the anomaly but did not want to be distracted by it. and likely that they will be pursuing the unexpected blip in power with another theory soon. Maybe they would have preferred that this detail not be brought to public attention for that reason. Goodyear Moments, unlike the Hallmark variety, can be too precious to share. Jones
RE: [Vo]:Magnetic field triggering... The other Good-Year moment!
When you can melt down 365 used condoms and make it into a tire... now that's a Good Year ! That's an old one from high school days. -Mark _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 3:44 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Magnetic field triggering ... Sometimes nature offers you a unexpectedly lucky insight into its inner workings, the so-called Goodyear moment ... Jones
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct
On 02/04/2011 05:46 PM, Man on Bridges wrote: Terry e.a., The whois information for the domain defkalion-energy.com lists a different email address as you may have noticed. ANDREAS MEINTANIS (dimitrios.meida...@gmail.com) i.s.o. **stsalikog...@gmail.com* mailto:stsalikog...@gmail.com* Which is kind of irrelevent, since there's a web page at defkalion-energy.com http://defkalion-energy.com, and the web page lists stsalikoglou's email address. So, stsalikoglou is clearly associated with defkalion-energy.com (which is presumably where the Defkalion Energy confusion came from, please note), and the web page also says, right there in big green letters, that it's Defkalion Green Technologies. Ergo, we can be reasonably sure stsalikoglou and Andreas Meintanis are associates of one sort or another, and both are associated with Defkalion Green Technologies. Whether Defkalion consists of anything more than a single Under Construction web page, OTOH, is a different question.
Re: [Vo]:Some personal thoughts pertaining to Rossi
Steven, Thanks for your wise, honest, sane overview... Rich On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:43 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: The recent troubling issues pertaining to Rossi brought to light by Jed Rothwell, and subsequently responded to by Vort participants (including me) remind me of a hauntingly similar predicament that I allowed myself to get ensnared in way back in the mid 1990s. At that time, due to my own ignorance and naivety, I allowed myself to become ensnared in a very ugly public relations tsunami, one that at the time was seemingly in the process of destroying the professional reputation of a well known Roswell UFO investigator, an individual named Don Schmitt. The events of that time deeply affected me. My memories of those continue to reverberate through me, even to this day. . My two cents. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
