[Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it...
http://motls.blogspot.com/2012/02/cold-fusion-colloquium-at-cern.html?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+LuboMotlsReferenceFrame+%28Lubos+Motl%27s+reference+frame%29utm_content=Google+Reader Motl is very rough agains CF, and seems not aware of SPAWAR, and other replication. please, don't be aggressive, he have strong ego, strong competence, but few moderation in his opinion...
Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it...
Sorry, dear Alain, he is too arrogant and omniscient and I have commented accordingly. If you ignore the facts as he does, you can be always right as the Duce was. Peter On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: http://motls.blogspot.com/2012/02/cold-fusion-colloquium-at-cern.html?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+LuboMotlsReferenceFrame+%28Lubos+Motl%27s+reference+frame%29utm_content=Google+Reader Motl is very rough agains CF, and seems not aware of SPAWAR, and other replication. please, don't be aggressive, he have strong ego, strong competence, but few moderation in his opinion... -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it...
Luboš Motl is a respected user on physics.stackexchange.com -- http://physics.stackexchange.com/users/1236/lubos-motl. From the answers I've seen of his to physics questions, he seems quite knowledgeable. In this instance he appears to reject the possibility of cold fusion out of hand, on the basis of first principles; he's obviously not the first capable person to do this. The points he raises in his post are: 1. It's good to give unconventional science an airing, as long as the audience doesn't leave with the misimpression that such science has been given additional credibility in the process. 2. People are likely to assume that CERN has given credibility to cold fusion by hosting a colloquium on the topic. 3. Motl requires a theoretical explanation for cold fusion phenomena. I agree with him on points 1 and 2 and feel that point 3 is unwarranted, as someone alludes to in a comment. Motl's views are very strong. I'm not sure where he derives his great confidence from; perhaps it's an occupational risk of being a smart physicist. But I would recommend carefully thinking through any rebuttals. Eric On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, dear Alain, he is too arrogant and omniscient and I have commented accordingly. If you ignore the facts as he does, you can be always right as the Duce was. Peter On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: http://motls.blogspot.com/2012/02/cold-fusion-colloquium-at-cern.html?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+LuboMotlsReferenceFrame+%28Lubos+Motl%27s+reference+frame%29utm_content=Google+Reader Motl is very rough agains CF, and seems not aware of SPAWAR, and other replication. please, don't be aggressive, he have strong ego, strong competence, but few moderation in his opinion... -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it...
duno if there is hope. anyway, cool behavior is good at least for the lurker around. and let me believe that when you plant a seed in a brain, even a rigid one, it can grow, slowly at least... 2012/2/13 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Sorry, dear Alain, he is too arrogant and omniscient and I have commented accordingly. If you ignore the facts as he does, you can be always right as the Duce was. Peter On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: http://motls.blogspot.com/2012/02/cold-fusion-colloquium-at-cern.html?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+LuboMotlsReferenceFrame+%28Lubos+Motl%27s+reference+frame%29utm_content=Google+Reader Motl is very rough agains CF, and seems not aware of SPAWAR, and other replication. please, don't be aggressive, he have strong ego, strong competence, but few moderation in his opinion... -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:FYI (French) : question to Areva on Defkalion pass moderation
http://www.areva.com/ajaxpub/dialog/DetailQuestion.aspx?idQuestion=1027 in french Test des réacteurs Defkalion Hyperion Quelle est votre position sur l'appel à test indépendant de leur réacteur LENR (Fusion froide) de la société Defkalion. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/2012-01-23_Independent_Testing_on_Hyperion_Reactors.pdfVous proposerez vous pour participer à ces test ? Avez vous déjà pris contact avec la société pour acquérir une licence de leur technologie Hypérion, ou pour de futurs développement plus cohérents avec votre type d'installation ?* 0* Peu intéressante translated in english Defkalion Hyperion reactors testing What is you position about the call for independent testing of the LENR (Cold Fusion) reactor of Defkalion company. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/2012-01-23_Independent_Testing_on_Hyperion_Reactors.pdf Will you apply to participate those tests? have you already contacted the company to acquire a license for their Hyperion technology, or for future development more coherent with your type of installation ? * 0* not interesting by the way, those who would like to have an answer should vote for. I don't expect much, but who knows. Things happens.
Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it...
Peter is right. Ignore him is the best thing, although it is hard. He was banned(sort of) from Harvard due his strong opinions on women and black people. He's been unemployed for around 5 years because of that. 2012/2/13 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Sorry, dear Alain, he is too arrogant and omniscient and I have commented accordingly. If you ignore the facts as he does, you can be always right as the Duce was. Peter On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: http://motls.blogspot.com/2012/02/cold-fusion-colloquium-at-cern.html?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+LuboMotlsReferenceFrame+%28Lubos+Motl%27s+reference+frame%29utm_content=Google+Reader Motl is very rough agains CF, and seems not aware of SPAWAR, and other replication. please, don't be aggressive, he have strong ego, strong competence, but few moderation in his opinion... -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Rob Duncan comments on Rossi
I am guessing, but it might come from results of Energetics Technologies at the MU incubator http://muincubator.com/clients.html Moab On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: “The success rate is about 20 percent, so we know the conditions must be very specific,” David Robertson, an MU chemistry professor who’s going to be involved in the project, said in a statement. “It’s a hit-or-miss reaction, which is the reason why we’re trying to understand it, and we’re using every tool in the toolbox to find the answer.” Where do you think David Robertson get the 20% figure? Harry On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Great stuff! See: http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2012/feb/12/duncan-talks-cold-fusion-at-saturday-science/
Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it...
The strong statement Motl uses as his basis is that LENR is proven theoretically impossible and it is a much repeated falsehood. The recently developed Hagelstein Hamiltonian theorems for gaseous molecules inside a lattice demonstrate that this area of research is in it's infancy, so where else can there be this comprehensive theory that can prove LENR's are theoretically impossible? It is a conceited statement based on plain old ignorance of the limits of current theoretical physical frameworks. From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it... Peter is right. Ignore him is the best thing, although it is hard. He was banned(sort of) from Harvard due his strong opinions on women and black people. He's been unemployed for around 5 years because of that. 2012/2/13 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Sorry, dear Alain, he is too arrogant and omniscient and I have commented accordingly. If you ignore the facts as he does, you can be always right as the Duce was. Peter On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: http://motls.blogspot.com/2012/02/cold-fusion-colloquium-at-cern.html?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+LuboMotlsReferenceFrame+%28Lubos+Motl%27s+reference+frame%29utm_content=Google+Reader Motl is very rough agains CF, and seems not aware of SPAWAR, and other replication. please, don't be aggressive, he have strong ego, strong competence, but few moderation in his opinion... -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:FYI (French) : question to Areva on Defkalion pass moderation
I am very much interested; want to participate at one test later in the spring (now it is a very bad winter here) and Iwant to help Romanian capitalists to buy a licence for the Hyperions. I am very much interested in the scientific aspects-it seems there are more variants of LENR and this high temperature LENR Where can we vcte? However it is more and more obvious that votes can solve nothing, including in politics. Peter i On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.areva.com/ajaxpub/dialog/DetailQuestion.aspx?idQuestion=1027 in french Test des réacteurs Defkalion Hyperion Quelle est votre position sur l'appel à test indépendant de leur réacteur LENR (Fusion froide) de la société Defkalion. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/2012-01-23_Independent_Testing_on_Hyperion_Reactors.pdfVous proposerez vous pour participer à ces test ? Avez vous déjà pris contact avec la société pour acquérir une licence de leur technologie Hypérion, ou pour de futurs développement plus cohérents avec votre type d'installation ?* 0* Peu intéressante translated in english Defkalion Hyperion reactors testing What is you position about the call for independent testing of the LENR (Cold Fusion) reactor of Defkalion company. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/2012-01-23_Independent_Testing_on_Hyperion_Reactors.pdf Will you apply to participate those tests? have you already contacted the company to acquire a license for their Hyperion technology, or for future development more coherent with your type of installation ? * 0* not interesting by the way, those who would like to have an answer should vote for. I don't expect much, but who knows. Things happens. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it...
sad, because I imagine that with good mood and good will, he could be precious in his competence domain. No so surprised a quantum geek like him, is a bit strange. anyway more stable than john Nash. 2012/2/13 GJB kiw...@yahoo.com The strong statement Motl uses as his basis is that LENR is proven theoretically impossible and it is a much repeated falsehood. The recently developed Hagelstein Hamiltonian theorems for gaseous molecules inside a lattice demonstrate that this area of research is in it's infancy, so where else can there be this comprehensive theory that can prove LENR's are theoretically impossible? It is a conceited statement based on plain old ignorance of the limits of current theoretical physical frameworks. -- *From:* Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:21 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it... Peter is right. Ignore him is the best thing, although it is hard. He was banned(sort of) from Harvard due his strong opinions on women and black people. He's been unemployed for around 5 years because of that. 2012/2/13 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Sorry, dear Alain, he is too arrogant and omniscient and I have commented accordingly. If you ignore the facts as he does, you can be always right as the Duce was. Peter On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: http://motls.blogspot.com/2012/02/cold-fusion-colloquium-at-cern.html?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+LuboMotlsReferenceFrame+%28Lubos+Motl%27s+reference+frame%29utm_content=Google+Reader Motl is very rough agains CF, and seems not aware of SPAWAR, and other replication. please, don't be aggressive, he have strong ego, strong competence, but few moderation in his opinion... -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:FYI (French) : question to Areva on Defkalion pass moderation
Sujet intéressan http://www.areva.com/ajax/popins/connection.aspxt jusc click on interesting subject, but should register. no easy on this site which is written in french (probably a PR to french population) if you have Firefox, I advise you extension like: google translator for firefox, or foxlinguo. you can translate world in the middle of a page, or full page. (google is ok, Bing translator is better) with LENR being developed out of english world, it start to be useful for me. babbling much, but clear like fast reading. 2012/2/13 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com I am very much interested; want to participate at one test later in the spring (now it is a very bad winter here) and Iwant to help Romanian capitalists to buy a licence for the Hyperions. I am very much interested in the scientific aspects-it seems there are more variants of LENR and this high temperature LENR Where can we vcte? However it is more and more obvious that votes can solve nothing, including in politics. Peter i On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.areva.com/ajaxpub/dialog/DetailQuestion.aspx?idQuestion=1027 in french Test des réacteurs Defkalion Hyperion Quelle est votre position sur l'appel à test indépendant de leur réacteur LENR (Fusion froide) de la société Defkalion. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/2012-01-23_Independent_Testing_on_Hyperion_Reactors.pdfVous proposerez vous pour participer à ces test ? Avez vous déjà pris contact avec la société pour acquérir une licence de leur technologie Hypérion, ou pour de futurs développement plus cohérents avec votre type d'installation ?* 0* Peu intéressante translated in english Defkalion Hyperion reactors testing What is you position about the call for independent testing of the LENR (Cold Fusion) reactor of Defkalion company. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/2012-01-23_Independent_Testing_on_Hyperion_Reactors.pdf Will you apply to participate those tests? have you already contacted the company to acquire a license for their Hyperion technology, or for future development more coherent with your type of installation ? * 0* not interesting by the way, those who would like to have an answer should vote for. I don't expect much, but who knows. Things happens. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it...
His career will suffer for poor timing, while other respected skeptics are retiring from the field in the face of the growing evidence, they are letting the young blood charge forward to take their place under the oncoming bus. Although there was once good reason to be skeptical those reasons continue to erode and that rate has been increasing rapidly of late. The longer Lubos keeps his head buried the more he shortens his own career. Was Daniel suggesting Lubos has made both sexist and racist remarks? [snip] He was banned(sort of) from Harvard due his strong opinions on women and black people. He's been unemployed for around 5 years because of that.[/snip]. I would hate to think we are giving any consideration to this man if so. Fran
Re: [Vo]:FYI (French) : question to Areva on Defkalion pass moderation
No problem with French, but bad connection trying later. Using Chrome je susi un Googleophile peter On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: Sujet intéressan http://www.areva.com/ajax/popins/connection.aspxt jusc click on interesting subject, but should register. no easy on this site which is written in french (probably a PR to french population) if you have Firefox, I advise you extension like: google translator for firefox, or foxlinguo. you can translate world in the middle of a page, or full page. (google is ok, Bing translator is better) with LENR being developed out of english world, it start to be useful for me. babbling much, but clear like fast reading. 2012/2/13 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com I am very much interested; want to participate at one test later in the spring (now it is a very bad winter here) and Iwant to help Romanian capitalists to buy a licence for the Hyperions. I am very much interested in the scientific aspects-it seems there are more variants of LENR and this high temperature LENR Where can we vcte? However it is more and more obvious that votes can solve nothing, including in politics. Peter i On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.areva.com/ajaxpub/dialog/DetailQuestion.aspx?idQuestion=1027 in french Test des réacteurs Defkalion Hyperion Quelle est votre position sur l'appel à test indépendant de leur réacteur LENR (Fusion froide) de la société Defkalion. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/2012-01-23_Independent_Testing_on_Hyperion_Reactors.pdfVous proposerez vous pour participer à ces test ? Avez vous déjà pris contact avec la société pour acquérir une licence de leur technologie Hypérion, ou pour de futurs développement plus cohérents avec votre type d'installation ?* 0* Peu intéressante translated in english Defkalion Hyperion reactors testing What is you position about the call for independent testing of the LENR (Cold Fusion) reactor of Defkalion company. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/2012-01-23_Independent_Testing_on_Hyperion_Reactors.pdf Will you apply to participate those tests? have you already contacted the company to acquire a license for their Hyperion technology, or for future development more coherent with your type of installation ? * 0* not interesting by the way, those who would like to have an answer should vote for. I don't expect much, but who knows. Things happens. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it...
He thinks males are smarter, blacks are the dumbest, gypsies are the most annoying race(also very dumb), jews are at the top of human species. 2012/2/13 Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com His career will suffer for poor timing, while other “respected” skeptics are retiring from the field in the face of the growing evidence, they are letting the young blood charge forward to take their place under the oncoming bus. Although there was once good reason to be skeptical those reasons continue to erode and that rate has been increasing rapidly of late. The longer Lubos keeps his head buried the more he shortens his own career. ** ** Was Daniel suggesting Lubos has made both sexist and racist remarks? [snip] He was banned(sort of) from Harvard due his strong opinions on women and black people. He's been unemployed for around 5 years because of that.[/snip]. I would hate to think we are giving any consideration to this man if so. ** ** Fran -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it...
I don't feel that “respected” skeptics are retiring from the field in the face of the growing evidence... you should read Judith Curry... in fact it seems that, fair or not, the history is tumbling... first rats start to flee the drowning boat... anyway, about LM, I've always been shocked by his lack of moderation in any opinion, his rough US Republican Coffee party vision of economy, and nearly faint on some things not to say (sorry here it is a crime, and a proven stupidity; also a family insult in every large family)... anyway, his opinion and vulgarization on QM is great and cutting edge. an example why one should avoid ad hominem critics. 2012/2/13 Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com His career will suffer for poor timing, while other “respected” skeptics are retiring from the field in the face of the growing evidence, they are letting the young blood charge forward to take their place under the oncoming bus. Although there was once good reason to be skeptical those reasons continue to erode and that rate has been increasing rapidly of late. The longer Lubos keeps his head buried the more he shortens his own career. ** ** Was Daniel suggesting Lubos has made both sexist and racist remarks? [snip] He was banned(sort of) from Harvard due his strong opinions on women and black people. He's been unemployed for around 5 years because of that.[/snip]. I would hate to think we are giving any consideration to this man if so. ** ** Fran
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
There is new update written during the flight to Athens. Sterling seems to be very much impressed, and he also received the 5 kW free energy device for free. There should come a full story in few days. And indeed this is Sterling's new number one energy technology and it surpasses Rossi by a margin. At least I had few days to imagine a world what is like how Nikola Tesla imagined it. –Jouni On 13 February 2012 04:16, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: http://pesn.com/2012/02/07/9602034_Fund_Drive_for_S._Africa_Trip_to_See_New_Number_1_Free_Energy_Technology/#Follow-up February 10, 2012; 11:56 pm Johannesburg I'm finally here. They've put me up in a gorgeous, small hotel. Posh digs. Sam and his son, Hussein picked me up from the airport, and we had a brief chat on the way here. According to Sam, the system entails a driver, DC motor that is connected via direct drive shaft to an AC generator. In the 5 kW system, the DC motor is powered by two 12-volt batteries connected in series, making 24-V (the master set). The back EMF from the DC motor is fed into the slave batteries to charge them. The output is a constant 5 kW (not load following). The switch between the master take a few nanoseconds. The magic (my word) is in the circuitry that handles the electronics. Without this circuitry, the batteries would run down in maybe 20 minutes. Sam says that every electrical engineer and professor type that he has brought in, will tell him all the reasons why this wont work, until they see the system running. Then they want to get involved. ... - - - - - February 11, 2012; 4:45 pm Johannesburg Very impressive -- both the technology and the company. I'm convinced. I'm under NDA, so I need to pass my report by the company first. Also, I need to take a nap. I'll be with them again this evening for dinner at around 8 pm. - - - - February 11, 2012; 6:45 pm Johannesburg I've removed the donation button because Sam said he will give me the 5 kW system. Thanks everyone for your generous donations. That gesture will not be forgotten either by myself or by Sam and his team. They intend to see that I an my associates get rewarded well for our support of the hope of free energy. - - - - February 12, 2012; 1:45 am Johannesburg I've changed my return flight to pass through Athens to go visit Defkalion on my way home.
Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll,and Physicists
Until today I had never heard of Lubos Motl, however, having followed LENR/Cold Fusion since last January his attitude doesn't surprise me. Pardon the generalization but it just seems that Physicists have the notion they are experts on everything. Until this last year I had thought that arrogance was reserved for Lawyers. The difference though is that while lawyers think they can be experts on all things Human, including physics, generally they do recognize how little they actually know about anything (In other words Human's are still savages in the universe and we most likely know nothing if measured by all knowledge). Lobus's silly comments clearly indicate he hasn't learned that lesson. And again I speak only in generalizations and I don't mean to offend either Physicists or lawyers who have learned some humility. Ransom - Original Message - From: Alain Sepeda To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it... I don't feel that “respected” skeptics are retiring from the field in the face of the growing evidence... you should read Judith Curry... in fact it seems that, fair or not, the history is tumbling... first rats start to flee the drowning boat... anyway, about LM, I've always been shocked by his lack of moderation in any opinion, his rough US Republican Coffee party vision of economy, and nearly faint on some things not to say (sorry here it is a crime, and a proven stupidity; also a family insult in every large family)... anyway, his opinion and vulgarization on QM is great and cutting edge. an example why one should avoid ad hominem critics. 2012/2/13 Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com His career will suffer for poor timing, while other “respected” skeptics are retiring from the field in the face of the growing evidence, they are letting the young blood charge forward to take their place under the oncoming bus. Although there was once good reason to be skeptical those reasons continue to erode and that rate has been increasing rapidly of late. The longer Lubos keeps his head buried the more he shortens his own career. Was Daniel suggesting Lubos has made both sexist and racist remarks? [snip] He was banned(sort of) from Harvard due his strong opinions on women and black people. He's been unemployed for around 5 years because of that.[/snip]. I would hate to think we are giving any consideration to this man if so. Fran
[Vo]:Orbital Mechanics of Water and Knitting Needles
Fun from orbit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHrBhgwq__Qfeature=youtu.be T
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
On the surface it certainly sounds promising. I'm glad Sterling secured sufficient funds that allowed him to go evaluate Sam's device. I'm also glad Sterling is going to stop off and visit Defkalion as well. I'm still going on the assumption that Sam's device will eventually fail to pass the mustard. This assumes a crucial test in the independent replication phase discovers a flaw in the original design assumptions. However, nothing would please me more than to have my pessimism proven wrong. I'd rather be labeled a hopelessly naive believer (as perceived by skeptics) as compared to that of a skeptic who knows too much to be taken by what he believes must obviously be charlatans, and as such why would I even bother to check the claims out. Grasshopper Johnson Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
From: Jouni Valkonen * Sterling seems to be very much impressed, and he also received the 5 kW free energy device for free. There should come a full story in few days. And indeed this is Sterling's new number one energy technology and it surpasses Rossi by a margin. If it works, then how does Sterling plan to get around the prior patents of John Bedini? US patent 7109671 Bedini, John C., Device and method of a back EMF permanent electromagnetic motor generator, issued 2006-09-19 US patent 6677730 Bedini, John C., Device and method for pulse charging a battery and for driving other devices with a pulse, issued 2004-01-13 US patent 6545444 Bedini, John C., Device and method for utilizing a monopole motor to create back EMF to charge batteries, issued 2003-04-08 US patent 6392370 Bedini, John C., Device and method of a back EMF permanent electromagnetic motor generator, issued 2002-05-21 More to the point, If it works, then why can’t you substitute ultracaps for the battery? That has always been the big unanswerable for the Bedini technology…. And let’s be clear, this has been tried and you cannot substitute caps for the batteries. … but as we have mentioned here on vortex many times, if this battery shuttling technique, using back EMF, does work – and there is no firm proof that it does but lots of positive anecdotal evidence, then the reason it works is probably related to some from of LENR in the battery itself ! IOW - the battery, which is an electrochemical cell, not unlike the ones used in PF and most of LENR, is the active source of power. Lead-acid batteries seem to be particularly adaptable to the technique. NB: the sum of the first three electrons in the valence shell of the atom of Pb, has net ionization potential of 54.4 eV, which is the prime Rydberg value for the T-effect (Thermacore effect) which is seen in experiments going back to 1990, first patented by Thermacore. Jones attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:The Efimov Effect
By the way, do you mean that when people like Widom-Larsen talk of coherent patch of coherent protons it is bose-einstein condensate of protons cooper pair ? I think this is what Widom-Larsen supporters mean, but for some reason they don’t really want to say Bose-Einstein Condensation. It may be the fear of talking about high temperature coherence. Ultra cold temperature (UCT) physics is just an experimental technique that allows the researcher to see what is going on in his experiment. But this research technique does not restrict the observed UCT phenomena from happening at high temperatures. On a related note, form an engineering perspective I believe that lack of control of coherence is why there has been so little control over cold fusion results. There is a direct relationship between system wide QM coherence and the production of excess heat. Sometimes an experimenter like Piantelli would see little heat and then on another experiment, his experiment would melt down in a runaway reaction. Rossi also has had trouble controlling coherence and his reactor is more likely than not to melt down if not constantly tinkered with. DGT may have the best approach so far in controlling coherence; I don’t trust Rossi yet in knowing how to fully control his reaction. On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: By the way, do you mean that when people like Widom-Larsen talk of coherent patch of coherent protons it is bose-einstein condensate of protons cooper pair ? maybe not a BEC, because not at lowest energy level, but at lease a coherent group of protons cooper-pair ??? 2012/2/13 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com superatom
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
Von:Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 18:03 Montag, 13.Februar 2012 Betreff: RE: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip ... IOW - the battery, which is an electrochemical cell, not unlike the ones used in PF and most of LENR, is the active source of power. ... I was thinking along similar lines with this: ---Breakthrough: Solid State Generator--- http://pesn.com/2011/07/23/9501875_Number-1_Breakthrough_Solid_State_Generator/ 1) is this just a fake? 2) is it some group not understanding physics, who are mired in one form of self-deception or the other? 3) is a specific form of LENR/LANR behind that? (4) free energy – I am not ready for this one. Currently I see the vortex-bunch as a group of people who keep an open mind on phenomena, which cannot be ruled out as completely nonsensical. I think it is also capable to weed out the frauds or deluded. As has been mentioned by some before , it is about a careful balance between (pathological) skepticism and weakminded wishful thinking. Hard theoretical physics and astrophysics is going through difficult times, and with it the bone-headed dogmatists. What else is dark matter/energy than a hidden variable, which should have been kicked out of the discourse of hard physics since Bohm in the QM-domain? I think this is quite reasonable, given the current state of affairs, but on the other hand, nuclear physics should care more about 'possibly real' phenomena, and not so much engage in multiverses and the tunneling through black holes and such, which is deemed perfectly 'reasonable', according to the current canon. All the best
[Vo]:ICCF-17 Demo Session
http://iccf17.org/sub04.php Demo session scheduled for Tuesday Evening Aug 14 Any bets on who will be demonstrating ? (http://iccf17.org/sub06.php Exhibitions -- is still blank.) (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
From Guenter, ... As has been mentioned by some before , it is about a careful balance between (pathological) skepticism and weakminded wishful thinking. Agreed. I would however replace the term weakminded with indiscriminate. Sounds more descriptive to me. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:GEN3 Partners report from testing at Harvard
Best evidence yet about the power source that I am calling the T-effect (Thermacore Effect) after the original Patent holder ... http://www.blacklightpower.com/pdf/GEN3_Harvard.pdf ... which is the physical excess energy effect with no complete explanation yet (despite CQM's Rydberg connection)... which is behind Langmuir's torch, Rossi, DGT, Piantelli, Focardi, Mizuno, Celani, Mills, Ahern etc. All of these are gainful experiments where hot hydrogen and a host metal (Ni, W, Ti or alloy such as NiCu or NiPd) produce thermal anomalies - and in addition, when it is looked for: EUV in an impossible range below 30 nm wavelength. Langmuir would get full credit for the effect, as he was the first to document gain beyond chemical - except that he publicly denied (at Bohr's insistence) his own findings of strong gain with atomic hydrogen on tungsten. Jones attachment: winmail.dat
[Vo]:DOE Budget Analysis on Science Mag
http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2012/02/at-doe-body-blows-to-fusion-nucl.html While programs with connections to clean energy technologies come out ahead, the fusion energy science, nuclear physics, and high-energy physics programs suffer. -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
Wow. I find it pretty interesting that Sterling is saying he is convinced of this technology. I'm also hopeful that he can indeed bring a unit home with him... and get off the NDA. Stirling Allen is in Greece now and has seen Defkalion's final test setup... in operation and producing heat. https://twitter.com/#!/PESNetwork Here are some links to John Bedini's pages. http://www.icehouse.net/john1/ http://www.icehouse.net/john1/index11.html - Brad
Re: [Vo]:Rob Duncan comments on Rossi
Ok...Is it their lab which Rob Duncan visits in the 2009 NBC '60minute' segment on CF? Harry On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:22 AM, Moab Moab moab2...@googlemail.com wrote: I am guessing, but it might come from results of Energetics Technologies at the MU incubator http://muincubator.com/clients.html Moab On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: “The success rate is about 20 percent, so we know the conditions must be very specific,” David Robertson, an MU chemistry professor who’s going to be involved in the project, said in a statement. “It’s a hit-or-miss reaction, which is the reason why we’re trying to understand it, and we’re using every tool in the toolbox to find the answer.” Where do you think David Robertson get the 20% figure? Harry On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Great stuff! See: http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2012/feb/12/duncan-talks-cold-fusion-at-saturday-science/
Re: [Vo]:Rob Duncan comments on Rossi
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Ok...Is it their lab which Rob Duncan visits in the 2009 NBC '60minute' segment on CF? Right. Energetics Technology. It was in Israel in 2009. They packed up lock, stock and barrel and moved to the University of Missouri. at Duncan's invitation. Rob Duncan does not do things by half measure. - Jed
