Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
Amidst all these discussions about credibility of LENR and the different groups working on it, we send out our clown Stirling Allen to investigate. From his report ( http://pesn.com/2012/02/13/9602039_Hope_from_Athens_found_in_Cold_Fusion/): When I went out to grab a bite for dinner (Defkalion had prior appointments or they would have taken me to dinner; in fact they had to cancel two other appointments as it was, in order to meet with me), I walked by a group of younger people milling about outside an establishment (some kind of party). I pulled up a chair, stood on it, and started saying, May I have your attention, please. I would like to tell you about some hope that you have for Athens. But then two security guards came up to me and escorted me away because I was interrupting a party. When I told them briefly what I was going to say, they looked at me like I was some kind of idiot and walked away. I nearly decided to take the (in retrospect, shallow) attitude, Let Greece burn, then, but I realized that I shouldn't let that single experience jade me. They had no clue about the significance of what I wanted to say. That's okay...others will. Andre On 02/13/2012 07:52 PM, ecat builder wrote: Wow. I find it pretty interesting that Sterling is saying he is convinced of this technology. I'm also hopeful that he can indeed bring a unit home with him... and get off the NDA. Stirling Allen is in Greece now and has seen Defkalion's final test setup... in operation and producing heat. https://twitter.com/#!/PESNetwork Here are some links to John Bedini's pages. http://www.icehouse.net/john1/ http://www.icehouse.net/john1/index11.html - Brad
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
I think we have to focus on what he says about the Company, not who says it. And his report is convergent with other direct information about Defkalion. The season of tests will start soon. Very interesting- it is about High Temperature LENR 450-900 deg Celsius. Peter On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote: Amidst all these discussions about credibility of LENR and the different groups working on it, we send out our clown Stirling Allen to investigate. From his report ( http://pesn.com/2012/02/13/9602039_Hope_from_Athens_found_in_Cold_Fusion/ ): When I went out to grab a bite for dinner (Defkalion had prior appointments or they would have taken me to dinner; in fact they had to cancel two other appointments as it was, in order to meet with me), I walked by a group of younger people milling about outside an establishment (some kind of party). I pulled up a chair, stood on it, and started saying, May I have your attention, please. I would like to tell you about some hope that you have for Athens. But then two security guards came up to me and escorted me away because I was interrupting a party. When I told them briefly what I was going to say, they looked at me like I was some kind of idiot and walked away. I nearly decided to take the (in retrospect, shallow) attitude, Let Greece burn, then, but I realized that I shouldn't let that single experience jade me. They had no clue about the significance of what I wanted to say. That's okay...others will. Andre On 02/13/2012 07:52 PM, ecat builder wrote: Wow. I find it pretty interesting that Sterling is saying he is convinced of this technology. I'm also hopeful that he can indeed bring a unit home with him... and get off the NDA. Stirling Allen is in Greece now and has seen Defkalion's final test setup... in operation and producing heat.https://twitter.com/#!/PESNetwork Here are some links to John Bedini's pages.http://www.icehouse.net/john1/http://www.icehouse.net/john1/index11.html - Brad -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 6:33 AM, Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote: I pulled up a chair, stood on it, and started saying, May I have your attention, please. I would like to tell you about some hope that you have for Athens. Sounds like Mr. Allen came across some of the original ouzo flavored with poppy pods. :) T
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
Beside sterling adventures, it seems to me it is unusual to announce such a high (450-900) operating temp, isn't rossi actually trying to achieve a stable reaction at such temps ? About the SA device, it seems to be a follow up from the bob boyce hex controller experiment afaik : http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bob_Boyce_Hex_Controller So can this be resumed as 3 coils on a torus with an 120° offset, the controller sends out really short pulses, so when the magnetic field collapses, back emf is collected and sent back to the battery. So is the coil acting as an antenna ? I mean these electrons have to come from somewhere this could be enough to slowly charge a battery but i don't really see how you could extract 5kw out of it.
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
I don't understand the comment about the amount of Hydrogen being consumend by a 5KW unit... Does Defkalion really not know how much Hydrogen it consumes if running at full power for 6 month? About the temperature: I think this is quite interesting as Rossi somewhen stated that his reaction starts at 60°. So either Rossi was misleading us or Defkalion really did some further development and improvements over Rossis technology. Wolf I think we have to focus on what he says about the Company, not who says it. And his report is convergent with other direct information about Defkalion. The season of tests will start soon. Very interesting- it is about High Temperature LENR 450-900 deg Celsius. Peter On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl mailto:andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote: Amidst all these discussions about credibility of LENR and the different groups working on it, we send out our clown Stirling Allen to investigate. From his report ( http://pesn.com/2012/02/13/9602039_Hope_from_Athens_found_in_Cold_Fusion/): When I went out to grab a bite for dinner (Defkalion had prior appointments or they would have taken me to dinner; in fact they had to cancel two other appointments as it was, in order to meet with me), I walked by a group of younger people milling about outside an establishment (some kind of party). I pulled up a chair, stood on it, and started saying, May I have your attention, please. I would like to tell you about some hope that you have for Athens. But then two security guards came up to me and escorted me away because I was interrupting a party. When I told them briefly what I was going to say, they looked at me like I was some kind of idiot and walked away. I nearly decided to take the (in retrospect, shallow) attitude, Let Greece burn, then, but I realized that I shouldn't let that single experience jade me. They had no clue about the significance of what I wanted to say. That's okay...others will. Andre On 02/13/2012 07:52 PM, ecat builder wrote: Wow. I find it pretty interesting that Sterling is saying he is convinced of this technology. I'm also hopeful that he can indeed bring a unit home with him... and get off the NDA. Stirling Allen is in Greece now and has seen Defkalion's final test setup... in operation and producing heat. https://twitter.com/#!/PESNetwork https://twitter.com/#%21/PESNetwork Here are some links to John Bedini's pages. http://www.icehouse.net/john1/ http://www.icehouse.net/john1/index11.html - Brad -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
I believe the hydrogen loss they are referring to is centered about hydrogen containment, not hydrogen consumption. As for Rossi's 60°C reaction point, that was the temperature of his surrounding water during the EK testing. At around 60°C water temp, the slope of temperature gradient changed; the nickel temperature would necessarily have been higher. Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de wrote: I don't understand the comment about the amount of Hydrogen being consumend by a 5KW unit... Does Defkalion really not know how much Hydrogen it consumes if running at full power for 6 month? About the temperature: I think this is quite interesting as Rossi somewhen stated that his reaction starts at 60°. So either Rossi was misleading us or Defkalion really did some further development and improvements over Rossis technology. Wolf I think we have to focus on what he says about the Company, not who says it. And his report is convergent with other direct information about Defkalion. The season of tests will start soon. Very interesting- it is about High Temperature LENR 450-900 deg Celsius. Peter On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl mailto:andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote: Amidst all these discussions about credibility of LENR and the different groups working on it, we send out our clown Stirling Allen to investigate. From his report ( http://pesn.com/2012/02/13/9602039_Hope_from_Athens_found_in_Cold_Fusion/): When I went out to grab a bite for dinner (Defkalion had prior appointments or they would have taken me to dinner; in fact they had to cancel two other appointments as it was, in order to meet with me), I walked by a group of younger people milling about outside an establishment (some kind of party). I pulled up a chair, stood on it, and started saying, May I have your attention, please. I would like to tell you about some hope that you have for Athens. But then two security guards came up to me and escorted me away because I was interrupting a party. When I told them briefly what I was going to say, they looked at me like I was some kind of idiot and walked away. I nearly decided to take the (in retrospect, shallow) attitude, Let Greece burn, then, but I realized that I shouldn't let that single experience jade me. They had no clue about the significance of what I wanted to say. That's okay...others will. Andre On 02/13/2012 07:52 PM, ecat builder wrote: Wow. I find it pretty interesting that Sterling is saying he is convinced of this technology. I'm also hopeful that he can indeed bring a unit home with him... and get off the NDA. Stirling Allen is in Greece now and has seen Defkalion's final test setup... in operation and producing heat. https://twitter.com/#!/PESNetwork https://twitter.com/#%21/PESNetwork Here are some links to John Bedini's pages. http://www.icehouse.net/john1/ http://www.icehouse.net/john1/index11.html - Brad -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
Thank you for the clarification! Wolf I believe the hydrogen loss they are referring to is centered about hydrogen containment, not hydrogen consumption. As for Rossi's 60°C reaction point, that was the temperature of his surrounding water during the EK testing. At around 60°C water temp, the slope of temperature gradient changed; the nickel temperature would necessarily have been higher. Wolf Fischerwolffisc...@gmx.de wrote: I don't understand the comment about the amount of Hydrogen being consumend by a 5KW unit... Does Defkalion really not know how much Hydrogen it consumes if running at full power for 6 month? About the temperature: I think this is quite interesting as Rossi somewhen stated that his reaction starts at 60°. So either Rossi was misleading us or Defkalion really did some further development and improvements over Rossis technology. Wolf I think we have to focus on what he says about the Company, not who says it. And his report is convergent with other direct information about Defkalion. The season of tests will start soon. Very interesting- it is about High Temperature LENR 450-900 deg Celsius. Peter On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Andre Blumandre_vor...@blums.nl mailto:andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote: Amidst all these discussions about credibility of LENR and the different groups working on it, we send out our clown Stirling Allen to investigate. From his report ( http://pesn.com/2012/02/13/9602039_Hope_from_Athens_found_in_Cold_Fusion/): When I went out to grab a bite for dinner (Defkalion had prior appointments or they would have taken me to dinner; in fact they had to cancel two other appointments as it was, in order to meet with me), I walked by a group of younger people milling about outside an establishment (some kind of party). I pulled up a chair, stood on it, and started saying, May I have your attention, please. I would like to tell you about some hope that you have for Athens. But then two security guards came up to me and escorted me away because I was interrupting a party. When I told them briefly what I was going to say, they looked at me like I was some kind of idiot and walked away. I nearly decided to take the (in retrospect, shallow) attitude, Let Greece burn, then, but I realized that I shouldn't let that single experience jade me. They had no clue about the significance of what I wanted to say. That's okay...others will. Andre On 02/13/2012 07:52 PM, ecat builder wrote: Wow. I find it pretty interesting that Sterling is saying he is convinced of this technology. I'm also hopeful that he can indeed bring a unit home with him... and get off the NDA. Stirling Allen is in Greece now and has seen Defkalion's final test setup... in operation and producing heat. https://twitter.com/#!/PESNetworkhttps://twitter.com/#%21/PESNetwork Here are some links to John Bedini's pages. http://www.icehouse.net/john1/ http://www.icehouse.net/john1/index11.html - Brad -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
Terry sez: Sounds like Mr. Allen came across some of the original ouzo flavored with poppy pods. :) Allen is an evangelist of a different cloth! ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
From: Andre Blum * * Amidst all these discussions about credibility of LENR and the different groups working on it, we send out our clown Sterling Allan to investigate)... I pulled up a chair, stood on it, and started saying, May I have your attention, please... Humm... kinda fits into an old stereotype, no? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugly_American_%28epithet%29 Anyone want to take a wager that the so-called FFG never arrives in the USA for testing ? Most likely lame excuse: held up in customs ... attachment: winmail.dat
[Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/author/sbkrivit/ *Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo*http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/14/smith-offers-1-million-prize-for-successful-e-cat-demo/ by *Steven B. Krivit* http://blog.newenergytimes.com/author/sbkrivit/ *From:* Margot Egan [on behalf of Dick Smith] *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:51 PM *To:* Andrea Rossi Re. E-CAT *Subject:* from Dick Smith in Australia Re. U.S. One Million Dollars for Successful Re-Testing of E-CAT *To: Andrea Rossi** From: Dick Smith* Dear Mr Rossi *Re: USD1,000,000 for Successful Repeat of E-CAT Demonstration* Dick Smith is my name. I am writing to you from Sydney, Australia. Possibly the best information in relation to my background is on Wikipedia - see *HERE* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Smith_%28entrepreneur%29. Some time ago I was contacted by Mr Sol Millin of the Byron New Energy Trust. Mr Millin has had extensive communication with you. Mr Millin communicated the advantages of your ECAT unit in relation to energy and how it had the potential to solve the world’s energy problems. Mr Millin said that he had your authority to act on your behalf in relation to an agreement for the Australian “rights” to your invention. After some discussion, I agreed that I would invest AUD200,000 provided that evidence could be shown that the unit actually worked as claimed. There has been a lot of to’ing-and-fro’ing since then, with Mr Millin claiming that he has provided me with the evidence and with my insistence that this is not the case. At one stage Mr Millin even sent me an email (attached) threatening to sue me for one-hundred-million-dollars if I did not proceed with sending him my AUD200,000. As Mr Millin and I do not seem to be getting anywhere on this issue, I have determined a way that we could possibly break this nexus, i.e. I would like to offer you USD1,000,000 for a successful repeat of the March 29, 2011 demonstration. One million US dollars will be made out to you as a Bank cheque or will be held in an escrow account if you desire. I do not want to know how the unit operates, nor to have a share in the profits from any sales. My satisfaction will come from knowing that if the unit is successful, then some of the world’s greatest problems – especially in relation to climate change – will be solved. I point out that over the last few decades my wife and I have donated many millions of dollars to scientific research, much of it without any immediate results. We have not complained about this. My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I would be happy, with Kullander and Essen as the sole judges as to whether the unit has the power output you have claimed, to hand you an irrevocable Bank cheque for USD1,000,000 made out in your name if the demonstration is successfully completed. If Kullander and Essen are not available, I am happy to agree with you on two other individuals of similar expertise to attend the new demonstration as the judges. I am sure we can come to an agreement as to who would be suitable and independent. It would also be necessary to have a third person - who you and I can agree on - to assist with the type of measuring equipment and its accuracy so there are no doubts that the scientific community will accept the results. I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify for the USD1,000,000, As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power multiplication through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for the future. Mr Rossi, I believe the advantage of my offer is that you can show the sceptics (I am presently one of them) that the unit actually works as you have claimed. I notice that you have had other investors offering very large amounts of money, and I can understand your concern in relation to this. My offer is USD1,000,000 without any conditions
RE: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
The simplicity is elegant. Repeat your most-cited demonstration, and you'll get $1 million USD, no strings attached. You can buy use the money for whatever you want - You can use it for further research - perhaps to re-purchase your house or even donate some of the money to charity. I'm sure it's just coincidence, but did you notice that Margot Egan is an anagram of No Mortgage? Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:14:41 -0500 From: cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy? Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo by Steven B. Krivit From: Margot Egan [on behalf of Dick Smith] Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:51 PM To: Andrea Rossi Re. E-CAT Subject: from Dick Smith in Australia Re. U.S. One Million Dollars for Successful Re-Testing of E-CAT To: Andrea Rossi From: Dick Smith Dear Mr Rossi Re: USD1,000,000 for Successful Repeat of E-CAT Demonstration Dick Smith is my name. I am writing to you from Sydney, Australia. Possibly the best information in relation to my background is on Wikipedia - see HERE. Some time ago I was contacted by Mr Sol Millin of the Byron New Energy Trust. Mr Millin has had extensive communication with you. Mr Millin communicated the advantages of your ECAT unit in relation to energy and how it had the potential to solve the world’s energy problems. Mr Millin said that he had your authority to act on your behalf in relation to an agreement for the Australian “rights” to your invention. After some discussion, I agreed that I would invest AUD200,000 provided that evidence could be shown that the unit actually worked as claimed. There has been a lot of to’ing-and-fro’ing since then, with Mr Millin claiming that he has provided me with the evidence and with my insistence that this is not the case. At one stage Mr Millin even sent me an email (attached) threatening to sue me for one-hundred-million-dollars if I did not proceed with sending him my AUD200,000. As Mr Millin and I do not seem to be getting anywhere on this issue, I have determined a way that we could possibly break this nexus, i.e. I would like to offer you USD1,000,000 for a successful repeat of the March 29, 2011 demonstration. One million US dollars will be made out to you as a Bank cheque or will be held in an escrow account if you desire. I do not want to know how the unit operates, nor to have a share in the profits from any sales. My satisfaction will come from knowing that if the unit is successful, then some of the world’s greatest problems – especially in relation to climate change – will be solved. I point out that over the last few decades my wife and I have donated many millions of dollars to scientific research, much of it without any immediate results. We have not complained about this. My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I would be happy, with Kullander and Essen as the sole judges as to whether the unit has the power output you have claimed, to hand you an irrevocable Bank cheque for USD1,000,000 made out in your name if the demonstration is successfully completed. If Kullander and Essen are not available, I am happy to agree with you on two other individuals of similar expertise to attend the new demonstration as the judges. I am sure we can come to an agreement as to who would be suitable and independent. It would also be necessary to have a third person - who you and I can agree on - to assist with the type of measuring equipment and its accuracy so there are no doubts that the scientific community will accept the results. I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify for the USD1,000,000, As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power multiplication through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for the future. Mr Rossi, I believe the advantage of my offer
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
I love it! I hope Rossi accepts the challenge. The pessimist within me however thinks he won't. I'm inclined to think Rossi might be inclined to reply with something to the effect that he's too busy to spend time on what he will try to describe as nothing more than unimportant parlor demonstration... whatever. I hope I'm wrong. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
On 2012-02-14 17:14, Chemical Engineer wrote: _Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo_ http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/14/smith-offers-1-million-prize-for-successful-e-cat-demo/ Somebody quickly forward this to Andrea Rossi! This is an offer he simply cannot refuse. Cheers, S.A.
RE: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
Hmm Is this Margot and her sister, with Rossi's cash, ready and waiting ??? http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg From: Robert Leguillon I'm sure it's just coincidence, but did you notice that Margot Egan is an anagram of No Mortgage? attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
Anyone have any links to the South African FFG (Fuel Free Generator) company? Company web site or address? Additional pictures/video of the device? Retracted PDF's? Device size or specs? Trying not to drink the Kool-Aid, but anything that can produce 4000 watts of continuous electricity would make a heck of a demo. - Brad
Re: [Vo]:Sterling reports on Defkalion
Sterling is indeed huge personality. He does not care what other people think. Although he sometimes uses too much conspiratorial rhetoric, he is still always putting science first and speculation to the background. I guess that NWO-conspiratorial rhetoric from suppression of knowledge is very american way of thinking. In Europe such is less common. And he really can utilize my favorite maxim: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. This is very difficult maxim to apply to real world situations where things are often fuzzily defined. But Sterling usually understands it, that it is not scientifically correct to turn back for something that first sounds implausible. Anyway, he is showing great dedication to the most unrewarding work, that is to fly around the world to meet all sorts of perpetual motion machine inventors. But perhaps someday he will get his reward and is really the front line journalist who is reporting some new and emerging exotic pure energy technology that will change the world as we know it. –Jouni On 14 February 2012 17:39, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: I just finished reading Sterling Allan's report on his trip to to Defkalion. Hope from Athens found in Cold Fusion http://pesn.com/2012/02/13/9602039_Hope_from_Athens_found_in_Cold_Fusion/ http://tinyurl.com/7yv2are Sterling touches on his split up with Hank Mills over the Defkalion controversy. Hank strikes me as coming across as being more loyal to Rossi's cause, whereas Sterling seems to be taking a more pragmatic approach to the whole Rossi/Defkalion issue. Sterling is an obvious cheerleader for the cause of all forms of Free Energy. Sterling has also been known to report on other matters that occasionally go bump in the night. This includes an occasional UFO or MIB story, the content of which might give some within the Vort Collective a slight bout of indigestion. Personally I enjoy Sterling's sincerity even if certain self-appointed skeptics [aka Krivit and MY] love to gleefully point to an occasional UFO report as proof that this reporter is nothing more than a wacky deluded fool. Such assessments don't bother me. I enjoyed reading Sterling's article. It's possible you might enjoy reading it too. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
Dick Smith is betting that ecat is being fed by a ground device. Rossi will be surely successful and this will make other skeptics angry, such those that bet on heated metal (preposterous) or on a compact chemical support (quite reasonable). 2012/2/14 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Hmm Is this Margot and her sister, with Rossi's cash, ready and waiting ??? http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg From: Robert Leguillon I'm sure it's just coincidence, but did you notice that Margot Egan is an anagram of No Mortgage? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
From what i've read so far, there is no website, no pictures, no PDF's, no specs whatsoever (except some 5kw claim perhaps), the only thing we've got is sterling unpublished report... Anyone have any links to the South African FFG (Fuel Free Generator) company? Company web site or address? Additional pictures/video of the device? Retracted PDF's? Device size or specs? - Brad
RE: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
According to Sterling Allen: A week ago today, I found an email in my inbox that had been sent to me on November 28 that I had overlooked. It was from a person representing a company in South Africa stating that they had a Fuel Free Generator, and that they had seven working prototypes with outputs ranging from 5.5 kilowatts to 60 kW. Included in the email were a couple of pdf documents: a FAQ and a brochure. (http://pesn.com/2012/02/07/9602034_Fund_Drive_for_S._Africa_Trip_to_See_New_Number_1_Free_Energy_Technology/) Hopefully, he'll be able to share these in the near term. R.L. Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:18:54 -0800 From: c_foreig...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From what i've read so far, there is no website, no pictures, no PDF's, no specs whatsoever (except some 5kw claim perhaps), the only thing we've got is sterling unpublished report... Anyone have any links to the South African FFG (Fuel Free Generator) company? Company web site or address? Additional pictures/video of the device? Retracted PDF's? Device size or specs? - Brad
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Damn! HE IS TOTALLY INSANE I CANNOT STOP LAUGHING HAHAHAHAHA! :D 2012/2/14 Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl Amidst all these discussions about credibility of LENR and the different groups working on it, we send out our clown Stirling Allen to investigate. From his report ( http://pesn.com/2012/02/13/9602039_Hope_from_Athens_found_in_Cold_Fusion/ ): When I went out to grab a bite for dinner (Defkalion had prior appointments or they would have taken me to dinner; in fact they had to cancel two other appointments as it was, in order to meet with me), I walked by a group of younger people milling about outside an establishment (some kind of party). I pulled up a chair, stood on it, and started saying, May I have your attention, please. I would like to tell you about some hope that you have for Athens. But then two security guards came up to me and escorted me away because I was interrupting a party. When I told them briefly what I was going to say, they looked at me like I was some kind of idiot and walked away. I nearly decided to take the (in retrospect, shallow) attitude, Let Greece burn, then, but I realized that I shouldn't let that single experience jade me. They had no clue about the significance of what I wanted to say. That's okay...others will. Andre On 02/13/2012 07:52 PM, ecat builder wrote: Wow. I find it pretty interesting that Sterling is saying he is convinced of this technology. I'm also hopeful that he can indeed bring a unit home with him... and get off the NDA. Stirling Allen is in Greece now and has seen Defkalion's final test setup... in operation and producing heat.https://twitter.com/#!/PESNetwork Here are some links to John Bedini's pages.http://www.icehouse.net/john1/http://www.icehouse.net/john1/index11.html - Brad -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
From Daniel Damn! HE IS TOTALLY INSANE I CANNOT STOP LAUGHING HAHAHAHAHA! :D Sterling is simply behaving like an evangelist of a different cloth. All evangelists want to spread the good news. Some more obnoxiously that others. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:The race is on! [ was GEN3 Partners report from testing at Harvard]
Replication of Black Lights anomalous energy in impossible EUV range by Harvard and the recent 5 million dollar research grant to Rob Duncan at U of MO is what Rossi and Defkallion should be worried about. The race is on. Fran _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 3:05 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:GEN3 Partners report from testing at Harvard Best evidence yet about the power source that I am calling the T-effect (Thermacore Effect) after the original Patent holder ... http://www.blacklightpower.com/pdf/GEN3_Harvard.pdf ... which is the physical excess energy effect with no complete explanation yet (despite CQM's Rydberg connection)... which is behind Langmuir's torch, Rossi, DGT, Piantelli, Focardi, Mizuno, Celani, Mills, Ahern etc. All of these are gainful experiments where hot hydrogen and a host metal (Ni, W, Ti or alloy such as NiCu or NiPd) produce thermal anomalies - and in addition, when it is looked for: EUV in an impossible range below 30 nm wavelength. Langmuir would get full credit for the effect, as he was the first to document gain beyond chemical - except that he publicly denied (at Bohr's insistence) his own findings of strong gain with atomic hydrogen on tungsten. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
Given the situation there, it is something of extremely bad taste... so bad it's funny... 2012/2/14 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com From Daniel Damn! HE IS TOTALLY INSANE I CANNOT STOP LAUGHING HAHAHAHAHA! :D Sterling is simply behaving like an evangelist of a different cloth. All evangelists want to spread the good news. Some more obnoxiously that others. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:The race is on! [ was GEN3 Partners report from testing at Harvard]
It doesn't look like an independent test. The name of the researcher is the same as in many of BlackLight tests. I think they just rented a lab and did tests. 2012/2/14 Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com Replication of Black Lights anomalous energy in impossible EUV range by Harvard and the recent 5 million dollar research grant to Rob Duncan at U of MO is what Rossi and Defkallion should be worried about. The race is on. Fran _ *From:* Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net jone...@pacbell.net] *Sent:* Monday, February 13, 2012 3:05 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* EXTERNAL: [Vo]:GEN3 Partners report from testing at Harvard Best evidence yet about the power source that I am calling the T-effect (Thermacore Effect) after the original Patent holder … *http://www.blacklightpower.com/pdf/GEN3_Harvard.pdf*http://www.blacklightpower.com/pdf/GEN3_Harvard.pdf … which is the physical excess energy effect with no complete explanation yet (despite CQM’s Rydberg connection)… which is behind “Langmuir’s torch”, Rossi, DGT, Piantelli, Focardi, Mizuno, Celani, Mills, Ahern etc. All of these are gainful experiments where hot hydrogen and a host metal (Ni, W, Ti or alloy such as NiCu or NiPd) produce thermal anomalies – and in addition, when it is looked for: EUV in an “impossible range” below 30 nm wavelength. Langmuir would get full credit for the effect, as he was the first to document gain beyond chemical - except that he publicly denied (at Bohr’s insistence) his own findings of strong gain with atomic hydrogen on tungsten. Jones -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
At 08:14 AM 2/14/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify for the USD1,000,000, As far as I am concerned, eight times power multiplication through LENRs will solve the worlds power problems for the future. I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example, the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than water. Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8. KE would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with recommendations from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with callibrated equipment, etc etc.
[Vo]:Lead oxides and 4Ry
In the 'curious factoids department' relating to easily overlooked but anomalous levels energy from hydrogen when in contact with a host metal like nickel ... Nickel may not be alone, as an active host for hydrogen. In fact there could be many others. In the past 150+ years of the automobile and electrical storage, requiring low cost batteries, at least 3 billion lead-acid batteries have been manufactured and sold on the planet. They were invented in 1859. Since the lead is usually recycled, your new battery could possibly contain a bit of lead which was mined before the US Civil War. This 'legacy effect' means that only a little new lead ore needs to be mined, to meet supply. The extreme irony of this factoid is that on paper lead is not a particularly good candidate for an electrochemical battery! The anode and cathode have only the single metal - not two metals with different reduction potentials. Of course, the lead is in various states of oxidation or sulfation, depending on whether it is acting as the cathode or anode - so the end result is similar. But we are absolutely missing the most aggressive types of Galvanic of Voltaic redox reactions - which generally require two different metals- like zinc and copper, for instance. These galvanic/voltaic technologies go back almost another hundred years before lead was first used. Yet they are not as cost effective as lead. Why not? It would be most ironic if one of the reasons for the success of lead-acid, vis-à-vis the more potent galvanic combinations - relates to an occasional background reaction. This means that we must consider that a slight (but regular) energy anomaly with hydrogen, on the host metal in normal work-a-day batteries (one of two reactions per hundred regular redox reactions) could be a hidden M.O. (the one that masks, or compensates for the low natural redox capabilities of two electrodes which employ a single metal). Specifically - The three ionization potentials (of the lowest valences electrons) of lead are found at: 7.4+ eV, 15 eV, and 31.9+eV which when added, total almost exactly the important 54.4 eV Rydberg multiple (4Ry) - one of the closest fits on the periodic table to this key value. Common lead oxides include: Lead(II) oxide, PbO, Lead(II,II,IV) oxide, Pb3O4, aka red lead Lead (IV) oxide, PbO2 or dioxide Less common lead oxides are: Lead(II,IV) oxide, Pb2O3, lead sesquioxide Pb12O19 (dark-brown lead) Anyway, once you start to think about lead in the context of some of its advantages (having being overlooked or not completely understood in the context of Rydberg emissions), it is easier to grasp how, when partially oxidized, we can see the occasional high energy reaction at 54.4 eV. IOW - oxygen, which want to takes 2 electrons from lead's massive number of 82 (and also can have the same 54.4 eV 'hole') - can interact within these oxidation states to create an energy gap at 54.4 eV ... which, after all, is many times normal redox spreads which go from +1.7 to -1.5. One of these EUV reactions per hundred normal redox reactions effectively increases the gain by a third, and 3 per hundred double it. The bottom line in this suggestion - is that only a few percent of the higher energy EUV reactions can effectively double the net energy of normal see-sawing within a redox system, and the end result is that a weak system seems more robust than it should. And in the context of Bedini - and possibly the new player in South Africa as well - anything that makes this EUV reaction happen more often that 1-3% of the time can pass for overunity ... or magic, when the reaction is still chemical, and technically not overunity at all. Jones attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
I have a hard time seeing why Rossi would pay any attention to this: (1) If his e-cat is real, $1M is a miniscule distraction. (2) If it's a mistake or fraud, replying would foolish. On 2012-02-14 17:14, Chemical Engineer wrote: _Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo_ http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/14/smith-offers-1-million-prize-for-successful-e-cat-demo/ Somebody quickly forward this to Andrea Rossi! This is an offer he simply cannot refuse. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
The media are going to love this, and they will be very damning if Rossi doesn't accept. If he is prepared to put such money on the line it would be nice if Smith opened this up to all-comers, like an X-Prize, eg for a consistently replicable cold fusion reaction with a gain of 5-10 and power output 1kW. On 14 February 2012 18:50, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 08:14 AM 2/14/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: * Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demohttp://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/14/smith-offers-1-million-prize-for-successful-e-cat-demo/ * My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify for the USD1,000,000, As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power multiplication through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for the future. I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example, the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than water. Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8. KE would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with recommendations from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with callibrated equipment, etc etc.
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
From Daniel Damn! HE IS TOTALLY INSANE I CANNOT STOP LAUGHING HAHAHAHAHA! :D Sterling is simply behaving like an evangelist of a different cloth. All evangelists want to spread the good news. Some more obnoxiously that others. ;-) Did Sterling speak in Greek (or tongues)?
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
On 2012-02-14 20:19, Robert Lynn wrote: The media are going to love this, and they will be very damning if Rossi doesn't accept. Exactly this. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
An X-Prize would be an excellent idea. I hope that Mr. Smith gives this concept serious consideration. Dave -Original Message- From: Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 2:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy? The media are going to love this, and they will be very damning if Rossi doesn't accept. If he is prepared to put such money on the line it would be nice if Smith opened this up to all-comers, like an X-Prize, eg for a consistently replicable cold fusion reaction with a gain of 5-10 and power output 1kW. On 14 February 2012 18:50, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 08:14 AM 2/14/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify for the USD1,000,000, As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power multiplication through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for the future. I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example, the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than water. Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8. KE would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with recommendations from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with callibrated equipment, etc etc.
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
From what I can tell of their new book on abundance, they think solar power is a significant future energy solution and do not mention LENR (or know what it is) at all. I worked on a CSP (concentrated solar power) project for two years and if they think solar is the solution to our problems we are all in trouble. CSP is smoke and mirrors. On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:32 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: An X-Prize would be an excellent idea. I hope that Mr. Smith gives this concept serious consideration. Dave -Original Message- From: Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 2:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy? The media are going to love this, and they will be very damning if Rossi doesn't accept. If he is prepared to put such money on the line it would be nice if Smith opened this up to all-comers, like an X-Prize, eg for a consistently replicable cold fusion reaction with a gain of 5-10 and power output 1kW. On 14 February 2012 18:50, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 08:14 AM 2/14/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: *Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demohttp://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/14/smith-offers-1-million-prize-for-successful-e-cat-demo/ * My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify for the USD1,000,000, As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power multiplication through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for the future. I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example, the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than water. Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8. KE would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with recommendations from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with callibrated equipment, etc etc.
Re: [Vo]:Lead oxides and 4Ry
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: And in the context of Bedini - and possibly the new player in South Africa as well - anything that makes this EUV reaction happen more often that 1-3% of the time can pass for overunity ... or magic, when the reaction is still chemical, and technically not overunity at all. Interesting speculation, Beene. It is well known that pulsed charging of a lead sulfide battery reduces sulfation of the plates. Indeed, the alleged Bedini gain is greater with older batteries than new. I attributed this effect to the apparent gain. If your T-effect theory holds true, then alloys or composites of lead and other metals could increase the effect. T
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Hmm Is this Margot and her sister, with Rossi's cash, ready and waiting ??? http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg Outstanding! Constant Growth = Doom ?!? From the looks of it constant growth will equal BOOM! T
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
Terry sez: http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg Outstanding! Constant Growth = Doom ?!? From the looks of it constant growth will equal BOOM! With special emphasis on the vowels in BOOM... or DOOM depending on the interpretation. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
Better still, if Smith is convinced the e-cat is not real, why not pledge the $1M to a worthy cause if it's not verified by end of 2012? - or offer bets through an on-line site like intrade.com? Otherwise, it's hard to be sure he's not a flamboyant publicity seeker. An X-Prize would be an excellent idea. I hope that Mr. Smith gives this concept serious consideration. Dave -Original Message- From: Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 2:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy? The media are going to love this, and they will be very damning if Rossi doesn't accept. If he is prepared to put such money on the line it would be nice if Smith opened this up to all-comers, like an X-Prize, eg for a consistently replicable cold fusion reaction with a gain of 5-10 and power output 1kW. On 14 February 2012 18:50, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 08:14 AM 2/14/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify for the USD1,000,000, As far as I am concerned, eight timesâ power multiplication through LENRs will solve the worldâs power problems for the future. I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example, the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than water. Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8. KE would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with recommendations from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with callibrated equipment, etc etc.
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:58 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: With special emphasis on the vowels in BOOM... or DOOM depending on the interpretation. Or, in Greek: ΒΘΘΜ T
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
I have confessed more times that I cannot understand and/or predict Rossi's reactions (his own, not those from the core of the E-cat) In this case my bet is that now he will ask more money, 2 or 3 million US$ for a 'perfect test. Let's see! Peter On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:00 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Better still, if Smith is convinced the e-cat is not real, why not pledge the $1M to a worthy cause if it's not verified by end of 2012? - or offer bets through an on-line site like intrade.com? Otherwise, it's hard to be sure he's not a flamboyant publicity seeker. An X-Prize would be an excellent idea. I hope that Mr. Smith gives this concept serious consideration. Dave -Original Message- From: Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 2:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy? The media are going to love this, and they will be very damning if Rossi doesn't accept. If he is prepared to put such money on the line it would be nice if Smith opened this up to all-comers, like an X-Prize, eg for a consistently replicable cold fusion reaction with a gain of 5-10 and power output 1kW. On 14 February 2012 18:50, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 08:14 AM 2/14/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify for the USD1,000,000, As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power multiplication through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for the future. I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example, the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than water. Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8. KE would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with recommendations from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with callibrated equipment, etc etc. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example, the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than water. Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8. KE would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with recommendations from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with callibrated equipment, etc etc. For a short 5hour test you must minimise the size of the reaction vessel to eliminate any possibility of chemical or stored heat sources, so you need to use a 'naked' ecat. Given all of the complaints and commentaries on Rossi's calorimetry I am pretty sure that any tester now would go into the test with their eyes wide open and a big check list of things to look at.
RE: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
Rossi will not flinch. He will ignore this request and dismiss it with not worth the effort. On Feb 15, 2012 7:23 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Hmm Is this Margot and her sister, with Rossi's cash, ready and waiting ??? http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg Outstanding! Constant Growth = Doom ?!? From the looks of it constant growth will equal BOOM! Yep, or stated another way ... why is Dick smilin'? Heck, physics or EE could be a mistake for geeks in Oz these days. Lingerie engineering looks to be where it's happ'ning. Can you imagine the stress loading ... maybe in Smith's dimensional analysis, it's measured in Wilberforce? http://dicksmithpopulation.com/wilberforce-award/
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
Rossi is certainly an enigmatic character, but it is highly improbable that he would slow his race with Defkalion if they both have real LENR technology for such a small amount, nor would Rossi accept it if e-cat is a fraud. Either way, Smith can be pretty sure his offer will receive no response. Smith should take some real risks to show good faith himself. Peter Gluck wrote: I have confessed more times that I cannot understand and/or predict Rossi's reactions (his own, not those from the core of the E-cat) In this case my bet is that now he will ask more money, 2 or 3 million US$ for a 'perfect test. Let's see! Peter On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:00 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Better still, if Smith is convinced the e-cat is not real, why not pledge the $1M to a worthy cause if it's not verified by end of 2012? - or offer bets through an on-line site like intrade.com? Otherwise, it's hard to be sure he's not a flamboyant publicity seeker. [...]
RE: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
Also, how did krivit get hold of the email? Especially if he was deliberately cced, Rossi will see it as coming from a snake's friend. On Feb 15, 2012 7:33 AM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi will not flinch. He will ignore this request and dismiss it with not worth the effort. On Feb 15, 2012 7:23 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Hmm Is this Margot and her sister, with Rossi's cash, ready and waiting ??? http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg Outstanding! Constant Growth = Doom ?!? From the looks of it constant growth will equal BOOM! Yep, or stated another way ... why is Dick smilin'? Heck, physics or EE could be a mistake for geeks in Oz these days. Lingerie engineering looks to be where it's happ'ning. Can you imagine the stress loading ... maybe in Smith's dimensional analysis, it's measured in Wilberforce? http://dicksmithpopulation.com/wilberforce-award/
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
My bet is he will just refuse. This whole thing is played on Rossi's terms. He will not allow it to be played on those of others. Unless he really needs the money. Or when it (coincidentally?) fits perfectly with his own terms. So, normally, I would expect his reaction to be: I've said before that I will do no more independent tests. Just like other citizens you will have to wait to collect your e-Cat from the production line in a year or so, then we will see who was right. Andre On 02/14/2012 04:12 PM, Peter Gluck wrote: I have confessed more times that I cannot understand and/or predict Rossi's reactions (his own, not those from the core of the E-cat) In this case my bet is that now he will ask more money, 2 or 3 million US$ for a 'perfect test. Let's see! Peter On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:00 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com mailto:pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Better still, if Smith is convinced the e-cat is not real, why not pledge the $1M to a worthy cause if it's not verified by end of 2012? - or offer bets through an on-line site like intrade.com http://intrade.com? Otherwise, it's hard to be sure he's not a flamboyant publicity seeker. An X-Prize would be an excellent idea. I hope that Mr. Smith gives this concept serious consideration. Dave -Original Message- From: Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com mailto:robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 2:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy? The media are going to love this, and they will be very damning if Rossi doesn't accept. If he is prepared to put such money on the line it would be nice if Smith opened this up to all-comers, like an X-Prize, eg for a consistently replicable cold fusion reaction with a gain of 5-10 and power output 1kW. On 14 February 2012 18:50, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com mailto:a...@well.com wrote: At 08:14 AM 2/14/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify for the USD1,000,000, As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power multiplication through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for the future. I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example, the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than water. Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8. KE would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with recommendations from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with callibrated equipment, etc etc. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
reading the last 50 posts or so, could we just calm down a bit, an not comment on every piece of junk, anyone has been fishing out of the river of possibilities, while waiting for the big catch, or Godot, or whatever. Wait a week, then another one. As long as I can remember, the clock was 5 before 12. Either ist is very slow, or is defective. Maybe we have the power to make it going, by shaking it via the chattersphere, but, well. ... Guenter
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
Stirling Allen wrote: . . . I walked by a group of younger people milling about outside an establishment (some kind of party). I pulled up a chair, stood on it, and started saying, May I have your attention, please. I would like to tell you about some hope that you have for Athens. But then two security guards came up to me and escorted me away because I was interrupting a party. He made a spectacle of himself. What a jerk. What an embarrassment. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
I sincerely hope he was just kidding. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:09 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip Stirling Allen wrote: . . . I walked by a group of younger people milling about outside an establishment (some kind of party). I pulled up a chair, stood on it, and started saying, May I have your attention, please. I would like to tell you about some hope that you have for Athens. But then two security guards came up to me and escorted me away because I was interrupting a party. He made a spectacle of himself. What a jerk. What an embarrassment. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
I predict that Rossi will ignore this offer. If I were him, I would accept it. But he has said he will do no tests, and he can be very stubborn. For some reason the decision is irrevocable. This is odd because he often changes his mind and changes his plans radically. One reason he will not allow tests is because he is a control freak. He will not allow other people unimpeded access to the cells. He will not allow EK to decide exactly how to do the test or what instruments to use. He has given over complete control on rare occasions. He hates do that. In some ways he is enlightened and doing a good job. In other ways, he has a full-blown, terminal case of the Inventor's Disease. I hope that in a few years, he can reach a reconciliation Defkalion and get the money recognition he deserves. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
Hehe..gotta love RossiArchibald Fields February 14th, 2012 at 5:57 PM Dick Smith Offer Dear Andrea, Australian millionaire Dick Smith has written an open letter to you offering more than $1,000,000 unconditionally if you can successfully repeat March 29 demo. This is easy money and you have till 20 Feb to accept. Kullander and Essen can be validators. This will provide you with easy and much needed funding. What good reason is there to decline this offer? Yours Faithfully, Archibald Fields Andrea Rossi February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM Dear Archibald Fields: This is a Clownerie. If this guy wants to test a 1 MW plant and has 1 million to’ spend he can buy a 1 MW plant, with a refilar contract, that gives him all the necessary guarantee. Our plants Are tester by Our Customers and the Consultants they chiose. I have not time at all for this clownery. Warm Regards, A.R. Original Message Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy? From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Date: Wed, February 15, 2012 9:46 am To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" vortex-l@eskimo.com I predict that Rossi will ignore this offer. If I were him, I would accept it. But he has said he will do no tests, and he can be very stubborn. For some reason the decision is irrevocable. This is odd because he often changes his mind and changes his plans radically. One reason he will not allow tests is because he is a control freak. He will not allow other people unimpeded access to the cells. He will not allow EK to decide exactly how to do the test or what instruments to use. He has given over complete control on rare occasions. He hates do that. In some ways he is enlightened and doing a good job. In other ways, he has a full-blown, terminal case of the Inventor's Disease. I hope that in a few years, he can reach a reconciliation Defkalion and get the money recognition he deserves. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
Rossi's answer Andrea Rossi February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=3#comment-185047 Dear Archibald Fields: This is a Clownerie. If this guy wants to test a 1 MW plant and has 1 million to spend he can buy a 1 MW plant, with a regular contract, that gives him all the necessary guarantees and to us the logic financial guarantees. Our plants Are tested by Our Customers and the Consultants they choose. I have not time at all for this clownery. Besides: when Our E-CATS will be in the market, this “millionaire” will have the chance to buy for few hundred dollars an E-Cat and test it as he wants, so why waste money? I do not need his money. Warm Regards, A.R. Andre
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
On 2012-02-15 00:46, Jed Rothwell wrote: I predict that Rossi will ignore this offer. Yep: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=3#comment-185047 Andrea Rossi February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM Dear Archibald Fields: This is a Clownerie. If this guy wants to test a 1 MW plant and has 1 million to spend he can buy a 1 MW plant, with a regular contract, that gives him all the necessary guarantees and to us the logic financial guarantees. Our plants Are tested by Our Customers and the Consultants they choose. I have not time at all for this clownery. Besides: when Our E-CATS will be in the market, this “millionaire” will have the chance to buy for few hundred dollars an E-Cat and test it as he wants, so why waste money? I do not need his money. Warm Regards, A.R. Be warned that he might be still editing his message on JONP. The notification in my RSS feeds had a different text. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
Brilliant answer! 2012/2/14 Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co Hehe..gotta love Rossi Archibald Fields February 14th, 2012 at 5:57 PM Dick Smith Offer Dear Andrea, Australian millionaire Dick Smith has written an open letter to you offering more than $1,000,000 unconditionally if you can successfully repeat March 29 demo. This is easy money and you have till 20 Feb to accept. Kullander and Essen can be validators. This will provide you with easy and much needed funding. What good reason is there to decline this offer? Yours Faithfully, Archibald Fields Andrea Rossi February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM Dear Archibald Fields: This is a Clownerie. If this guy wants to test a 1 MW plant and has 1 million to’ spend he can buy a 1 MW plant, with a refilar contract, that gives him all the necessary guarantee. Our plants Are tester by Our Customers and the Consultants they chiose. I have not time at all for this clownery. Warm Regards, A.R. Original Message Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy? From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Date: Wed, February 15, 2012 9:46 am To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com I predict that Rossi will ignore this offer. If I were him, I would accept it. But he has said he will do no tests, and he can be very stubborn. For some reason the decision is irrevocable. This is odd because he often changes his mind and changes his plans radically. One reason he will not allow tests is because he is a control freak. He will not allow other people unimpeded access to the cells. He will not allow EK to decide exactly how to do the test or what instruments to use. He has given over complete control on rare occasions. He hates do that. In some ways he is enlightened and doing a good job. In other ways, he has a full-blown, terminal case of the Inventor's Disease. I hope that in a few years, he can reach a reconciliation Defkalion and get the money recognition he deserves. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
[Vo]:Krivit: con letter from Rossi.
Krivit posted this ( http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Solihin-Millin/20120127Rossi-Invoice-Redact.pdf ) today as a proof that Rossi profits from scam. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Krivit: con letter from Rossi.
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Krivit posted this ( http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Solihin-Millin/20120127Rossi-Invoice-Redact.pdf ) today as a proof that Rossi profits from scam. Related: http://ecatmotor.com/e-cat/bryon-new-energy-charitable-trust-to-support-e-cat T
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
On 2012-02-15 00:56, Andre Blum wrote: Rossi's answer Andrea Rossi February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=3#comment-185047 Dear Archibald Fields: This is a Clownerie. Please note: clownerie = travesty Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Krivit: con letter from Rossi.
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Related: http://ecatmotor.com/e-cat/bryon-new-energy-charitable-trust-to-support-e-cat More: http://www.byronnewenergy.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page T
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
Just for the record, this is Rossi's updated response: Andrea Rossi February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=3#comment-185047 Dear Archibald Fields: This is a Clownerie. If this guy wants to test a 1 MW plant and has 1 million to spend he can buy a 1 MW plant, with a regular contract, that gives him all the necessary guarantees and to us the logic financial guarantees. Our plants Are tested by Our Customers and the Consultants they choose. I have not time at all for this clownery. Besides: when Our E-CATS will be in the market, this “millionaire” will have the chance to buy for few hundred dollars an E-Cat and test it as he wants, so why waste money? I do not need his money. Warm Regards, A.R. On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: On 2012-02-15 00:56, Andre Blum wrote: Rossi's answer Andrea Rossi February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM http://www.journal-of-**nuclear-physics.com/?p=580** cpage=3#comment-185047http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=3#comment-185047 Dear Archibald Fields: This is a Clownerie. Please note: clownerie = travesty Cheers, S.A. -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
