[Vo]:Daniel Shaw expertly shares crucial aspects of traumatic abuse in cults -- he had a decade with Guru Mayi of SYDA: Rich Murray 2016.02.16

[Rich Murray]

Daniel Shaw expertly shares crucial aspects of traumatic abuse in cults --
he had a decade with Guru Mayi of SYDA: Rich Murray 2016.02.16
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2016/02/daniel-shaw-expertly-shares-crucial.html


http://www.thezensite.com/non_Zen/Traumatic_Abuse_in_Cults.html

Traumatic Abuse in Cults: An Exploration of an Unfamiliar Social Problem

by Daniel Shaw, C.S.W

 (This essay uses SYDA (Siddha Yoga) as an example of an abusive cult)

Table of Contents
 * Introduction
 * What Is a Cult, and Why Do People Get Involved in Them?
 * Seduction
 * Thought Reform, or Mind Control
 * Social Work Values vs. Cult Values
 * Inner Emptiness and the Culture of Narcissism
 * The Question of Pre-Existing and Induced Pathology: Blaming the Victim
 * The Dominating Leader and the Submissive Follower
 * Traumas Suffered by Cult Members
 * Rape
 * Battering
 * Incest
 * Working With Cult Survivors
 * Conclusions
 * Table I: Resource Organizations
 * References

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Re: [Vo]: Orbo power packs

[Vibrator !]

A potential 2LoT violation would also seem fairly consistent - McCarthy's
mentioned the similarity to a piezo effect, and we can presume that the
entropy change between charged and discharged states involves similar
phonon exchanges per the magnetcaloric effect.  Plus a piezo effect implies
a magnetostriction-type effect - polarisation density of the electret
modulates the physical dimensions of the cell; its aspect ratio shrinks as
it discharges, albeit microscopically. This too would imply thermal
cycling; but whether that's adiabatic or isothermal depends on details we
don't yet have.. very speculative stuff..

In looking for energy sources to recharge the cell, ambient phonons tick a
lot of boxes.  And it'd still be revolutionary. But it just wouldn't be
"Orbo".  Their core principle is passive time-dependent variations in
force, so my guess is, that's what's recharging their cell..

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> *From:* Vibrator
>
>
>
> Ø  My expectation is that they're applying anomolous voltage, since all
> previous versions of Orbo depended upon tricking magnetic force into
> performing free work, and they're claiming that the current tech works in
> fundamentally the same way.
>
> Does anyone recall hearing anything about a temperature drop in the Orbo
> when it is charging? Even a small drop from ambient could be an important
> detail.
>

Re: [Vo]:Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs

[Ludwik Kowalski]

This thread reminds me of my communist youth (In the USSR and In Poland):

http://csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/life/intro.html
We believed that in the next economic system, Communism,  people will be 
receiving goods "according to their needs, not according to their work.

Ludwik Kowalski (see Wikipedia)

On Feb 16, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

> a.ashfield  wrote:
> 
> What I don't see is any agreement of how to handle the inevitable rise in 
> unemployed.  The group-think politician's answer still appears to be "more 
> education".
> 
> Yes. Education is a good thing, and I guess it can help with this problem, 
> but it cannot solve it. Lately, several smart people have shown that robots 
> and computers are likely to replace many jobs that call for high educational 
> attainment. Automation used to reduce manual labor only. Then it eroded 
> clerical jobs and cashiers. Now is likely to reduce labor across the board.
> 
> This is either a problem or an opportunity, depending on how you look at it, 
> and how society chooses to respond.
> 
> - Jed
> 

Re: [Vo]:Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs

[Lennart Thornros]

Jed you say:

​'​
This is either a problem or an opportunity, depending on how you look at
it, and how society chooses to respond.
​'​

Of course it is an opportunity. The only way to turn it into a problem is
to decide it is a problem.

What about this logic:
I assume transformation will take its time (decades).
If all our needs are taken care of by robots and LENR provides free energy
then there is only a distribution problem.
As the robots are so good they will quickly fix that also.
In my imagination people will be in charge of robots.(another assumption).
Then the robots will be instructed to distribute the basics in the right
quantities and the right time to the right place.
As I see it there are two areas we still need people for:
1. To instruct the robots.
2. To develop the robot technology (if nothing else because we cannot let
the robots develop robots and take over).
The more interesting thing is of course which opportunities will open up.
Sports (competition between people cannot be a robot thing)
Entertainment in most regards.
Philosophy.
Various ways explore things. Scientific experiment and the final LENR
solution.
Is the sun a liquid is for humans to find out.
Lots of opportunities I am sure the list is endless and I have only pointed
a few directions without much deep thinking - just taken a dig in one
corner an inch deep.
The reward system and how to distribute the luxuries  needs its solution
and it will be among those in charge of the robots in one function or the
other.
There is no need for 8 hour days. Maybe one can work a month a year. Then
go sailing for 11 months - would fit my idea of a good time.:)

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros


lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)


On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> a.ashfield  wrote:
>
> What I don't see is any agreement of how to handle the inevitable rise in
>> unemployed.  The group-think politician's answer still appears to be "more
>> education".
>
>
> Yes. Education is a good thing, and I guess it can help with this problem,
> but it cannot solve it. Lately, several smart people have shown that robots
> and computers are likely to replace many jobs that call for high
> educational attainment. Automation used to reduce manual labor only. Then
> it eroded clerical jobs and cashiers. Now is likely to reduce labor across
> the board.
>
> This is either a problem or an opportunity, depending on how you look at
> it, and how society chooses to respond.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs

[Jed Rothwell]

a.ashfield  wrote:

What I don't see is any agreement of how to handle the inevitable rise in
> unemployed.  The group-think politician's answer still appears to be "more
> education".


Yes. Education is a good thing, and I guess it can help with this problem,
but it cannot solve it. Lately, several smart people have shown that robots
and computers are likely to replace many jobs that call for high
educational attainment. Automation used to reduce manual labor only. Then
it eroded clerical jobs and cashiers. Now is likely to reduce labor across
the board.

This is either a problem or an opportunity, depending on how you look at
it, and how society chooses to respond.

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:How to test an ADGEX ELFE Flashlight.

[Jones Beene]

From: Frank Znidarsic.

 

Jones,  Did you get a flashlight?

No. Mine was ordered months ago, despite all the usual warning signs of 
scam-in-progress. 

In the case of ADGEX, my reasoning was something like this: you have Russian 
ex-pats in the land of Oz with all its glorious sun and wealth. The last thing 
these guys want is to be shipped back to the cold north of Siberia. And the 
easiest way to get deported out of Oz is to try to pull off an International 
scam. Ergo, they may have something…

In contrast, Steorn kind of rubs their bad conduct in the face of their 
gullible investors… and yet they keep running back for more.

Go figure…

 

Re: [Vo]:Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs

[Frank Znidarsic]

Why are men larger than women?   Studies were done on primates.  A male gorilla 
is much larger than the female.  His testicles are tiny.  He beats the 
computation off.  He is monogamous and a polygamist.


Male and female chimps are about the same size.  Females mate with everyone.  
Their testicles are large.  Mlae chimps attempt to flood out the competition.


Humans are somewhere in between.  The males have mid sized testicles and are 
little large than females.  We are mostly monogamous.


Frank Z

Re: [Vo]:Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs

[Blaze Spinnaker]

More education is the answer.  People people to go to school.

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:46 AM, a.ashfield  wrote:

> Jed,
> While laws have been updated there are still holdouts.  Where I live near
> Philadelphia all house plumbing had to be made of copper. When a member of
> the council died <10 years ago, who happened to own a plumbing business,
> the building regulations were changed to allow plastic.
>
> Our house was built in the 1980s and at that time city water had not
> reached the area so we have a well.  The water happens to be fairly acidic
> and we have had three leaks so far.  The pipes do not seem to be being
> attacked but just small local flaws are.  I suspect there are other
> holdouts but it is gradually changing.
>
> The subject seems to have drifted from the original topic.  At least AI
> and robotics seem to have become a topic of conversation in the media.
> What I don't see is any agreement of how to handle the inevitable rise in
> unemployed.  The group-think politician's answer still appears to be "more
> education".
>
>

Re: [Vo]:How to test an ADGEX ELFE Flashlight.

[Frank Znidarsic]

Jones,  Did you get a flashlight?

RE: [Vo]:How to test an ADGEX ELFE Flashlight.

[Jones Beene]

From: Esa Ruoho 

 

Ø  Ok, so, anyone have any ideas on how to test this "emits light using free 
energy" flashlight designed by ADGEX ELFE? 


Yes. There are many relevant tests which can and should happen without opening 
the device. Some sound superficial but they provide data points of interest as 
a whole. Do not over-stress it initially and give it benefit of doubt. There 
will always be time to do destructive testing later. Much later.

 

I will list the testing that come to mind which do not require opening the 
device. A lumen meter is essential.

 

1)  With a lumen meter, obtain light emission data over short on-off time 
cycles in lumens, using recommended cycles (do not deplete the device at the 
start and let it recharge overnight)

2)  Compare the rate of lumen drop-off, minute by minute and day by day for 
several weeks. Data log everything

3)  Attach thermocouples and compare the case temperature vs lumen output. 
This can be done at the same time as above.

4)  Use an RF meter, oscilloscope, audio monitor and radiation monitor to 
look for correlations with lumen output.

5)  If anomalies turn up, try to correlate to astrological of local events 
such as sunspots or earthquakes

6)  Test the light output near wireless routers and other sources of wave 
energy

7)  Let the device recharge overnight near various sources of wave energy 
to look for changes in light output the following day - based on proximity to 
power sources during recharge

8)  Do all of these tests in a city vs in a rural area and compare results

 

This should require a couple of months to do correctly – after which or sooner, 
you may decide there is no anomaly at all – but if there is, you will probably 
know the parameters which affect it.

 

 

 

[Vo]:How to test an ADGEX ELFE Flashlight.

[Esa Ruoho]

Ok, so, anyone have any ideas on how to test this "emits light using free
energy" flashlight designed by ADGEX ELFE?

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[Vo]:thin info cows- do they damage progress in LENR?

[Peter Gluck]

a sketch- and I hope the normal papers and news flow will re-start

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/02/feb-16-2016-lenr-damage-made-by-7-ugly.html

peter
-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs

[a.ashfield]

Jed,
While laws have been updated there are still holdouts.  Where I live 
near Philadelphia all house plumbing had to be made of copper. When a 
member of the council died <10 years ago, who happened to own a plumbing 
business, the building regulations were changed to allow plastic.


Our house was built in the 1980s and at that time city water had not 
reached the area so we have a well.  The water happens to be fairly 
acidic and we have had three leaks so far.  The pipes do not seem to be 
being attacked but just small local flaws are.  I suspect there are 
other holdouts but it is gradually changing.


The subject seems to have drifted from the original topic.  At least AI 
and robotics seem to have become a topic of conversation in the media.  
What I don't see is any agreement of how to handle the inevitable rise 
in unemployed.  The group-think politician's answer still appears to be 
"more education".

Re: [Vo]: Orbo power packs

[Eric Walker]

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 6:30 AM, Vibrator !  wrote:

So while i've considered interpretations that would invoke free electrons
> from nowhere, i think free EMF of some kind is the more consistent
> likelihood.


If surplus electrons would explain the anomaly, another possibility is that
the Orbo charges contain a beta emitter, either with a high activity or
induced to high activity by something else in the setup (e.g., the 9 V
batteries).

I hesitate to propose this, as I'm not sure we have clear evidence yet of
an anomaly in the latest Orbos.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs

[H LV]

A basic income will be nice for women because it will give them more
options, but it will have a profound effect on the male psyche. A basic
income for men will affirm that a man's life is just as valuable as a
woman's life. This will foster healthier relationships between men and
women.

harry

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Lennart Thornros 
wrote:

> What a gang of pessimists!
>
> Yes, there will be well paid jobs in the future. However, that is not the
> immediate problem. We need to spread the resources so everybody is given a
> fair chance to a life with no lack of the essentials.
> It is only one way to do so. To make sure people less fortunate will
> receive there benefit with a feeling of entitlement. Us old guys with
> another upbringing will have a hard time accepting it. It still is required.
> Then we need to find a reward system for those that take responsibility
> and initiative to move our society forward. I think that will fall into
> place more or less by default once we accept this new reality and our
> attitude has changed.
>
> Seen away from meteor hits and other catastrophes - I am convinced we will
> move toward a better society. Perfect is still far away.
>
> The debate about feminism I refrain to comment on. I know on Venus things
> are different but as I never been there I cannot figure the difference.:)
>
> Best Regards ,
> Lennart Thornros
>
>
> lenn...@thornros.com
> +1 916 436 1899
>
> Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
> enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 7:01 AM, Russ George 
> wrote:
>
>> But surely they cannot replace Vanna White
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 6:59 AM
>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs
>>
>>
>>
>> Frank Znidarsic  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> The last good paying jobs remain in healthcare.  How long will that hold
>> up?
>>
>>
>>
>> Not long. When computers can drive cars better than people, and when they
>> can win at Jeopardy better than the world's experts, it is only a matter of
>> time before they take all remaining manual labor jobs.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Vo]:Intelligent Robots

[Chris Zell]

As to robots having male characteristics, I wouldn't worry.  As soon as AI gets 
practical, there will be an explosion of fembots created for exactly the same 
reason that VCR and internet availability
exploded on the scene.  There will attempts to ban them in Iran but people will 
find clever ways to hide them as with their private satellite dishes.  Births 
in the western world will plunge well below
replacement levels.   In another galaxy, aliens observing us will just shake 
their heads and sigh ( especially "Greys" who have no "junk")

As to good jobs remaining, the Technological Priesthood will never die. We 
alone know the rituals and magic spells (i.e. software) that make it all work.

Few in the US seem to understand that Bernie Sanders is the most relevant 
Presidential candidate because jobs are going away en masse and he is brave 
enough to bring up Socialism.  Tax cuts
And other conservative ideas are nonsense since stimulus of the 1% will likely 
increase job losses, at this point in time.

Re: [Vo]:Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs

[Jed Rothwell]

Lennart Thornros  wrote:

What a gang of pessimists!
>

My views are not pessimistic. I think that a future in which robots do all
the work and people do whatever they please would be good, not bad.
However, we need to adjust the economic system to allow for this.



> Yes, there will be well paid jobs in the future.
>

Why? How could there be? Do you think anyone would pay a person thousands
of dollars to do a job that a machine can do for a few dollars? This would
be like paying people to add up numbers on a sheet of paper when a $500
computer can add a billion numbers per second.



> However, that is not the immediate problem.
>

This is a problem right now, and it will grow far worse in the near future.



> We need to spread the resources so everybody is given a fair chance to a
> life with no lack of the essentials.
>

Yes. We need to de-couple these resources from human labor (jobs) because
labor is rapidly becoming worthless.

There is no point to having people work when machines can do the job
better, faster, and cheaper. There is no benefit to anyone having people
compete with computers. This is real life, not the ballad of John Henry.
Are you going to have people waste their lives doing pretend make-work that
everyone knows a $500 robot can do for free? That will not give anyone a
sense of fulfillment, or a purpose in life. You would only be telling
people they are worth less than a plastic box.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs

[Frank Znidarsic]

I have showed some of the picture from Western PA.  Most recently coal fired 
generation and govt. defense contractors also seem to be waning.  The county 
and the govt have imposed new taxes to avoid bankruptcy. A sewer project 
requires an investment of @$10,000 per home.  When they are done they block 
your cellar floor drain.   The result has been that houses are being abandoned 
within the City Limits.  It seems that one out of 5 houses is in a very bad 
state of disrepair.  Abandoned houses appear everywhere. 


I have a friend Gill.  He owns a small shoe store.  He seems to be in pursuit 
of the most expensive restaurants.  He wants to drag me along with him.  He 
invited me and my female companion out to dinner on Sunday.  I told my 
companion that I did not mind doing the Gill thing on Valentines day but that I 
don't want to follow his agenda.


We went out to eat in Somerset County, which is even poorer than Cambria 
county.  The place was clean and well lit.  We had one young female waitress.  
No table cloths, candles, no matradee, and no view.  We did have, however, a 
cloth napkin.  It was a medium sized place in a mall off of highway 31 near the 
turnpike.  The price for our meals was $39 /each.  It was bring you own bottle 
and there was an additional  $6 uncorking fee.  The meal did not include a 
salad, drink, or desert.  If you wanted a side salad it was $9 each.  I figured 
it would be a big meal and we skipped the $9 dinner salad.   The only thing big 
about the meal was the plate.  The meal looked like a small  island within the 
huge plate.  Gill said it was the best.  I did not know or care, we were still 
hungry.  We purchased a desert.  The bill with tip was over $100.


This is were I don't understand the new economy.  The place was full.  Every 
table was reserved with young people.  They all got additional appetizers  $18 
and a side salad $9.  Their bill would be $140 / couple.


Where to they work?  Where do they get the money to waist?  Why was not this 
restaurant out of business years ago?  I don't know!  Seven Spring Resort was 
about 20 miles away.  Could it be from that?


Frank Z

RE: [Vo]: Orbo power packs

[Jones Beene]

From: Vibrator 

 

Ø  My expectation is that they're applying anomolous voltage, since all 
previous versions of Orbo depended upon tricking magnetic force into performing 
free work, and they're claiming that the current tech works in fundamentally 
the same way.



Does anyone recall hearing anything about a temperature drop in the Orbo when 
it is charging? Even a small drop from ambient could be an important detail.

Re: [Vo]:Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs

[Lennart Thornros]

What a gang of pessimists!

Yes, there will be well paid jobs in the future. However, that is not the
immediate problem. We need to spread the resources so everybody is given a
fair chance to a life with no lack of the essentials.
It is only one way to do so. To make sure people less fortunate will
receive there benefit with a feeling of entitlement. Us old guys with
another upbringing will have a hard time accepting it. It still is required.
Then we need to find a reward system for those that take responsibility and
initiative to move our society forward. I think that will fall into place
more or less by default once we accept this new reality and our attitude
has changed.

Seen away from meteor hits and other catastrophes - I am convinced we will
move toward a better society. Perfect is still far away.

The debate about feminism I refrain to comment on. I know on Venus things
are different but as I never been there I cannot figure the difference.:)

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros


lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)


On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 7:01 AM, Russ George  wrote:

> But surely they cannot replace Vanna White
>
>
>
> *From:* Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 6:59 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs
>
>
>
> Frank Znidarsic  wrote:
>
>
>
> The last good paying jobs remain in healthcare.  How long will that hold
> up?
>
>
>
> Not long. When computers can drive cars better than people, and when they
> can win at Jeopardy better than the world's experts, it is only a matter of
> time before they take all remaining manual labor jobs.
>
>
>
> - Jed
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs

[Russ George]

But surely they cannot replace Vanna White

 

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 6:59 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs

 

Frank Znidarsic  > wrote:

 

The last good paying jobs remain in healthcare.  How long will that hold up?

 

Not long. When computers can drive cars better than people, and when they can 
win at Jeopardy better than the world's experts, it is only a matter of time 
before they take all remaining manual labor jobs.

 

- Jed

 

Re: [Vo]:Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs

[Jed Rothwell]

Frank Znidarsic  wrote:

The last good paying jobs remain in healthcare.  How long will that hold up?


Not long. When computers can drive cars better than people, and when they
can win at Jeopardy better than the world's experts, it is only a matter of
time before they take all remaining manual labor jobs.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs

[Frank Znidarsic]

When I was in the 5th grade our teacher Mrs.Biggs stated that workers in the 
steel industry fought hard for a 40 hours work week.  When we grew up and 
worked at Bethlehem Steel we would only have to work 30 hours per week.  Robots 
would be doing some of the work for us.  It did not turn out that way.  There 
is no more industry in Johnstown.  Coal fired electrical generation now seems 
to be waning.  Bethlehem Steel is long gone.  Those that still do work work 
long hours in the service industry for low wages.  The last good paying jobs 
remain in healthcare.  How long will that hold up?


I took some pictures of the process in action and posted the on angelfire.  The 
hemorrhaging of jobs still continues today.



http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ParksJohnstown/dome.html




Frank Z

Re: [Vo]: Orbo power packs

[Vibrator !]

My expectation is that they're applying anomolous voltage, since all
previous versions of Orbo depended upon tricking magnetic force into
performing free work, and they're claiming that the current tech works in
fundamentally the same way.


I've had no contact with them since the SKDB closed, but have personally
validated their permanent magnet and solenoid-based systems (along with
multiple more qualified experts).  In both cases, the input workload is
either substantially or wholly attenuated, while harnessing a full and
uncompromised output workload - analogous to dropping a mass when it's
heavy and picking it up when it's light.  The permanent magnet tech
exploited slow rise times of induced B for a given H, akin to climbing the
stairs on a kid's slide while gravity's still getting its act together,
then sliding down under its full influence.  The e-Orbo is an effective N3
violation, causing concurrent equal and opposite back EMFs to mutually
self-cancel, resulting in a Lenzless motor - the rotor attracts to the
deactivated stator solenoid driven only by the rotor-mounted passive
permanent magnets, then coasts away from the active stator solenoid under
zero force (ie. not interacting with it at all).  Hence the input workload
is resistance heating, which is inherently decoupled from and incidental to
the entirely passive output workload of accelerating the rotor.  As such,
rotor KE evolves following the usual half-square of angular inertia times
angular velocity, while input energy sums linearly per cycle, hence there's
a threshold RPM beyond which output < input.

So while i've considered interpretations that would invoke free electrons
from nowhere, i think free EMF of some kind is the more consistent
likelihood.


On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 4:52 PM, Bob Higgins 
wrote:

> It appears from the Steorn video description pointed to by Jones below
> that the the "power packs" behave as an unusual capacitor.  The device
> appears to have separate charge and discharge modes.  In charge mode the
> capacitor-like "power-packs" are "charged" from a high voltage source (2x9V
> battery with series 1Mohm resistor).  While charging, the capacitance
> appears to be very low, call it Cc, and it doesn't take much Coulombic
> charge (not many electrons) to reach a voltage of, say 5V.  Then the
> capacitor-like "power pack" is switched to a load.  In discharge, the
> capacitance, Cd, appears to be much higher than Cc, allowing more Coulombic
> charge (more electrons) to be taken out before the device reaches its
> minimum discharge voltage.  This is a quite unusual [classically impossible
> over-unity] device, which still may be related to an electret.  It appears
> that the capacitor-like "power pack" elements are of "jelly roll"
> construction due to their cylindrical form factor.
>
> If the "power pack" devices truly work in this fashion, I can easily see
> how over-unity energy is delivered.
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> Prototypes have been shown. Not sure of current status as there were
>> legal disputes involved. Eye witnesses under NDA have seen it producing
>> electrical power. There is a chance that “something like this” is
>> involved in the Steorn device (to the extent that either device actually
>> works over an extended period) but I doubt it - since Steorn doesn’t seem
>> to work, firstly - and secondly doesn’t have a magnetic field. Here is
>> an update:
>>
>>
>> *http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2016/02/new-video-reveals-ocube-components-describes-problems/*
>> 
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