RE: [Vo]:ecatnews.com closes

[Craig Brown]

"ecatnews.com closes".Agreed.  The eCat is as dead as a short-sighted mouse who's just mistakenly walked into a cats only nightclub during a time of extreme famine.


 Original Message 
Subject: [Vo]:ecatnews.com closes
From: Jed Rothwell 
Date: Wed, June 15, 2016 11:30 am
To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" 

See:http://ecatnews.com/?p=2702 

RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product Demonstrations

[Craig Brown]

Personally, I'm VERY excited and it's been a long time coming, but worth the wait.Been following the lads at Steorn since 2006.Enjoying the build-up to it immensely.I think it's interesting that no one is talking about Steorn just now, but in a week or soLOLGet ready as the impossible becomes possible.You heard it here first. ;)#Orbo #Steorn #OCube #Overunity

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product
Demonstrations
From: Esa Ruoho <esaru...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, October 28, 2015 3:22 pm
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

So, anyone excited at all for the Steorn O-Cube webinar starting today?starts in 13+ hours, at http://app.webinarjam.net/register/19428/91401be0a7On 22 October 2015 at 23:54, Terry Blanton <hohlr...@gmail.com> wrote:No joy.Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone- Reply message -From: "Esa Ruoho" <esaru...@gmail.com>To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>Subject: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product DemonstrationsDate: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 3:43 PMTerry, try this - the video is therehttps://www.facebook.com/217496297671/videos/10153314887302672/On 22 October 2015 at 22:30, Terry Blanton <hohlr...@gmail.com> wrote:On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Craig Brown <cr...@overunity.co> wrote: > > Teaser PROMO for upcoming LIVE Steorn Free Energy Webinars featuring their > O-Cube > > ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3FmbNkfgS4  Returns "This Video is Private".  http://i.imgur.com/AxnBVJ5.png?1  -- ---http://twitter.com/esaruohohttp://lackluster.bandcamp.com  -- ---http://twitter.com/esaruohohttp://lackluster.bandcamp.com  

RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product Demonstrations

[Craig Brown]

Hi Esa,Yep, they announced on their Facebook page today that they would reveal the price during the Live webinar.I honestly have no idea of the price, but I can't see it being out of reach of the pockets of normal members of the public. After all, this is an attempt to sell a consumer grade electrical product.A very unique and valuable consumer grade product that ignores the 2nd law of thermodynamics, I'll grant you that.


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product
Demonstrations
From: esa ruoho <esaru...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, October 28, 2015 3:41 pm
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Wow Craig, just read that the price of the O-Cube will be revealed today!I sincerely hope it's in the 100s to the 200 euros, rather than 500-1000-2000+ euros. as I seriously could maybe afford that if it's <200€.maybe.http://freeenergy.news/steorn-orbo/o-cube-price-to-be-revealed-as-steorn-webinars-begin/ ---| Esa Ruoho | +358403703659 | http://fi.linkedin.com/in/esaruoho || http://lackluster.bandcamp.com | http://lackluster.org | http://esaruoho.tumblr.com || http://twitter.com/esaruoho | http://facebook.com/LacklusterOfficial |  On 28 Oct 2015, at 07:37, Craig Brown <cr...@overunity.co> wrote:Personally, I'm VERY excited and it's been a long time coming, but worth the wait.Been following the lads at Steorn since 2006.Enjoying the build-up to it immensely.I think it's interesting that no one is talking about Steorn just now, but in a week or soLOLGet ready as the impossible becomes possible.You heard it here first. ;)#Orbo #Steorn #OCube #Overunity   Original Message  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product Demonstrations From: Esa Ruoho <esaru...@gmail.com> Date: Wed, October 28, 2015 3:22 pm To: vortex-l@eskimo.com  So, anyone excited at all for the Steorn O-Cube webinar starting today?starts in 13+ hours, at http://app.webinarjam.net/register/19428/91401be0a7On 22 October 2015 at 23:54, Terry Blanton <hohlr...@gmail.com> wrote:No joy.Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone- Reply message -From: "Esa Ruoho" <esaru...@gmail.com>To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>Subject: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product DemonstrationsDate: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 3:43 PMTerry, try this - the video is therehttps://www.facebook.com/217496297671/videos/10153314887302672/On 22 October 2015 at 22:30, Terry Blanton <hohlr...@gmail.com> wrote:On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Craig Brown <cr...@overunity.co> wrote: > > Teaser PROMO for upcoming LIVE Steorn Free Energy Webinars featuring their > O-Cube > > ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3FmbNkfgS4  Returns "This Video is Private".  http://i.imgur.com/AxnBVJ5.png?1  -- ---http://twitter.com/esaruohohttp://lackluster.bandcamp.com  -- ---http://twitter.com/esaruohohttp://lackluster.bandcamp.com

RE: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product Demonstrations

[Craig Brown]

Apparently the PRGurus behind the video weren't happy. They politely asked it be removed from view leaving the Facebook version to be the sole source of the video. I can understand that, considering what they want to achieve.


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product
Demonstrations
From: Terry Blanton <hohlr...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, October 23, 2015 5:30 am
To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" <vortex-l@eskimo.com>

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Craig Brown <cr...@overunity.co> wrote:
>
> Teaser PROMO for upcoming LIVE Steorn Free Energy Webinars featuring their
> O-Cube
>
> ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3FmbNkfgS4

Returns "This Video is Private".

http://i.imgur.com/AxnBVJ5.png?1

RE: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product Demonstrations

[Craig Brown]

Teaser PROMO for upcoming LIVE Steorn Free Energy Webinars featuring their O-Cubettps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3FmbNkfgS4


 Original Message 
Subject: RE: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product
Demonstrations
From: "Craig Brown" <cr...@overunity.co>
Date: Tue, September 29, 2015 2:54 pm
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Bit of News for you...Steorn will conduct a series of LIVE interactive Webinars beginning on October 28th.The webinars are an introduction to their free energy technology Orbo Powercube.They will demo the tech, explain how the components work and field questions.Link to register for the FREE Live webinar is in the article.http://freeenergy.news/steorn/exclusive-live-steorn-webinars-on-orbo-powercube/Cheers,CraigFreeEnergy.News   

RE: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product Demonstrations

[Craig Brown]

Bit of News for you...Steorn will conduct a series of LIVE interactive Webinars beginning on October 28th.The webinars are an introduction to their free energy technology Orbo Powercube.They will demo the tech, explain how the components work and field questions.Link to register for the FREE Live webinar is in the article.http://freeenergy.news/steorn/exclusive-live-steorn-webinars-on-orbo-powercube/Cheers,CraigFreeEnergy.News 

[Vo]:ADGEX Flashlight Creators Announce USB PowerBank

[Craig Brown]

Remember those guys who said they had developed a flashlight powered by Earth's magnetic field? Well, here's the next product apparently.http://freeenergy.news/news/the-rapidly-self-charging-adgex-tachyon-powerbank/

RE: [Vo]:STEORN in the news again:

[Craig Brown]

According to a newspaper article last year sometime Steorn received a few million more Euros investment from their shareholders and other investors in the company. They don't seem to have any issue with funding, especially as they seem to be close to the finishing line at long last.The Orbo PowerCube is approx 9cm x 9cm, has no moving parts and can trickle charge mobile phones and the like from a single USB port on the device. They have recently been floating packaging ideas around and had also hired brand and internet consultants who are the ones I believe who came up with the new logo, so I think we could be seeing the first product hit the market by the end of the year - maybe a lot sooner.See one of my reports on this:http://freeenergy.news/steorn/pub-launch-for-steorns-orbo-powercube/Craig

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:STEORN in the news again:
From: Analog Fan 
Date: Wed, September 16, 2015 11:25 am
To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" 

On Friday, September 11, 2015 2:59 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson  wrote:

>What I find interesting is that throughout all of these years the company apparently hasn't gone belly up. Despite all of its prior... how should I say this... spectacular failures, how is it possible for Steorn to continue to stay afloat? 


Steorn raised at least ten million euros from investors. According to http://moletrap.co.uk/forum/, Steorn's investors are primarily Irish farmers, not known for their physics knowledge. This is supported by documents e.g. http://www.scribd.com/doc/52869096/Steorn-B10-20110411 where three directors named to the board list their occupation as 'farmer'.


Gullible investors can sustain a company for many years (cf Rossi, BLP, EEstor, Rohner et al) 
>What comes next? Can somebody please pass the popcorn my way?
  
I am sure those farmers aren't passing any popcorn.

RE: [Vo]:Rossi warns against fraudulent e-cat vendor

[Craig Brown]

ROFLMAO - The website in question looks like the work of an 8 year old, skilled only in the use of 1980's html. Anyone who has the perception that this in any way could be considered a serious vendor deserves all they get IMHO.


 Original Message 
Subject: [Vo]:Rossi warns against fraudulent e-cat vendor
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, January 13, 2014 8:33 am
To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" vortex-l@eskimo.com

There is a web site in Switzerland offering Rossi E-cats:http://www.ecatschweiz.com/Prodotti.htmlRossi circulated a memo about this: "This is a fraud.We do not know them and they are not authorized to sell our products:Attention, it is a fraud !!!"- Jed 

RE: [Vo]:Fwd: [Technobabble] Comment: Defkalion Demonstrates LENR Live, Right Now

[Craig Brown]

Nothing more than a distraction costing tens of BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. Meanwhile tabletop cold fusion is shunned by the scientific industrial complex.


 Original Message 
Subject: [Vo]:Fwd: [Technobabble] Comment: "Defkalion Demonstrates LENR
Live, Right Now"
From: Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com
Date: Mon, October 21, 2013 1:59 pm
To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" vortex-l@eskimo.com

Comment: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory this month achieved a positive net energy yield from hot fusion. See:  https://lasers.llnl.gov/newsroom/project_status/index.php  National Ignition Facility.  They still have much work to do to make it an economic power source. 

RE: [Vo]:Syrian gas attacks...

[Craig Brown]

Google "Operation Northwoods".

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Syrian gas attacks...
From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, August 28, 2013 8:24 am
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

The thing that should be concerning is that a country as powerful as the US (and spends so insanely much on toys for warfare) ever looks for, makes up, provides chemical weapons as pretexts to get into war(which is hardly new). Seriously if we were to think of this as a person it would be a nut who has a house full of guns etc.. and keeps on looking for a fight, trying to set up situations where he can look like he might be the hero as he guns people down or blows them up. And because he spends more on crap to kill people than everyone else combined.I recommend downloading the Britam Defence, but checking I see that page has been taken down.But this one is up: http://stormcloudsgathering.com/leaked-documents-us-framed-syria-in-chemical-weapons-attackHere is an Amazon link to a portion of the leaked documents: http://www.amazon.com/gp/drive/share?ie=UTF8s=G6_SxjA3RnEpXfvn8WZ8Aw Here is the torrent magnet link with 464mb of leaked data:magnet:?xt=urn:btih:6abe339b23e818f21314ea76341b3dcb92dd8838 On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:17 AM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:  James Bowery, perhaps I was not clear enough. I said you couldn't trust governments, remember the supposed WMD that Iraq had? Of course I know it was a lie. Further, I was pointing out that it looks like the same thing is being repeated, that the decision to bomb SYria has already been taken with similar lack of proof.   

RE: [Vo]:Re: Nicely Played, John Hadjichristos

[Craig Brown]

ROFLMAO - MaryYugo chickening out of a chance to prove everyone wrong. Classic.

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Nicely Played, John Hadjichristos
From: Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com
Date: Tue, July 30, 2013 8:24 am
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:10:26 -0700
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:

 Presuming (of course) that's actually John Hadjichristos.
 
 If it isn't, still, well done anonymous troll.
 


Just to make sure it is seen by readers of this list, here are MY's
two replies. I doubt Hadjichristos, if it was really his post, will
reply in turn.

http://tinyurl.com/lmpej4v



maryyugo July 29, 2013 at 12:29 PM

I have a better idea, John. Why don't you get Jed Rothwell to
provide some independent testing and experts for you? I have
contact with him and I will help him make it fool proof.

If I play your game, you will just say my qualifications are not
adequate. Sorry. No dice. Talk to Jed, though. I know he was
willing to go on site to do a proper test of Rossi with
appropriate experts and instruments. Maybe he'll do the same for
you.

Let me know when you have contacted Mr. Rothwell and that you have
authorized him to talk to me about the planned tests, schedule and
any other particulars. 

maryyugo July 29, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Oh... I meant to mention: the test is not independent unless the
people doing the test are allowed to specify how the output power
is to be measured and with exactly what method and instruments. If
they choose to sparge the output stream, you must allow it.

It is also not independent unless your input power source (the
mains wiring) is interrupted by the experimenter using their own
extension cord and that cord is instrumented with a broad band
power meter. And it is not independent unless the origin of ALL
wires and tubes connected to the device are fully characterized
and understood by the experimenters and enough time is allowed to
make sure this characterization is properly performed and recorded.

None of this, of course was the case for your demo.

Before I even discussed it with Jed, you'd have to agree to all of
those conditions.

While you're here, maybe you'd care to tell all of us why you did
not simply use one your existing reactors which your company
claimed to have in dozen quantities since at least mid 2011. That
would be the ones with built in high temperature oil, all liquid,
flow calorimetry. I'd also like to know how you can feel
comfortable in testing a nuclear fusion device, with limited
experience, with guests present, without any radiation monitoring
and without any meltdown or explosion protection for the observers.

Finally, maybe you can clear up the issue of the supposed 1.6
Tesla magnetic field allegedly present at 20 cm from the device.
If this is accurate, how do you stop anything in the room which is
ferromagnetic and not solidly held down, from rushing to it?

Thanks in advance for your time and answers to all these questions.

RE: [Vo]:Forbes LENR Coverage

[Craig Brown]

Looks like you must have rattled a few cages Mark. This is hardly surprising given the establishment's close ties to the fossil fuel lobby. If I had 400 Trillion in fossil fuel assets I would be VERY glad you had stopped writing about LENR. Good that you managed to raise awareness of LENR while you were there.All the best!Craig

 Original Message 
Subject: [Vo]:Forbes LENR Coverage
From: Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com
Date: Wed, July 24, 2013 1:23 pm
To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" vortex-l@eskimo.com

Ladies and Gentlemen,Following my last post to my blog on Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2013/07/23/defkalion-demonstrates-lenr-live-right-now/) my tenure with that organization has come to an end. Before the conspiracy theorists proclaim that it was due to my ongoing interest in LENR be aware that there is no (obvious) evidence for that conclusion and it probably owes more to editorial policy and poor communication than anything overtly conspiratorial. I will still cover any significant LENR developments in my Network World blog (http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/96) but the focus there is considerably different so unless it has a significant bearing on IT the topic won't get covered. Thanks for all your plaudits, criticisms, and comments in my Forbes postings over the last couple of years.Regards,Mark Gibbs. 

RE: [Vo]:OT: Way out there! Simon Parks government officieal UFO /Alien encounters

[*** Craig Brown ***]

Things sometimes seem far out to those in our society with closed minds.
There are many strange things in the world - a lot of which cannot be
explained by measurement, in a lab, or depending on whether a peer review
has been conducted or not.  Too many people see authority as the truth and
not truth as the authority.

 

From: mark.gi...@gmail.com [mailto:mark.gi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Gibbs
Sent: Saturday, 22 June 2013 1:27 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Way out there! Simon Parks government officieal  UFO
/Alien encounters

 

The mere appearance of being normal doesn't mean someone is normal.

 

[mg]

 

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 7:27 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:

It's the weekend! Time for a brief break!

 

For all those Vorts who might be interested in some OT far out stuff.

 

Simon Parks, a British town counsel, who apparently went public back in 2010
about his on-going intimate alien encounters is getting some CNN.com
coverage today. Not surprisingly the entire subject is being discussed at
cnn.com as entertaining fodder. 

 

I decided to dig a little deeper, as Google is your friend! I found two
YouTube files, and audio recording that seems informative. It's an actual
interview with the individual - about 139 minutes in length.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzB6Zth2wm0

 

And another video, about an hour long

http://metro.co.uk/2012/03/26/town-councillor-simon-parkes-my-mum-was-a-9ft-
green-alien-365412/

 

At present I make no judgment calls on the matter. I had never heard about
the Simon Parks story till I saw the short clip on cnn.com. I'll only add
that over the many years that I've gone to UFO meetings I've met many
individuals who claim to have had CE4K encounters. In my experience such
individual seem to fall into two categories. 

 

Category 1: Within 30 seconds it becomes obviously clear that they are
certifiable.  Fortunately, mostly harmless.

 

Category 2: They seem just as normal, perceptive, and rational as you or me.

 

Simon strikes me as belonging n category #2.

 

Make up your own mind! ;-)

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.OrionWorks.com

www.zazzle.com/orionworks

tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/

 

RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

[Craig Brown]

Naval scientist Eldon Byrd put it rather succinctly when he said – 
“What major contribution has any sceptic made to the betterment of 
humankind? How many Mother Teresa’s have they produced? How many great
 scientific discoveries have they made? Many of them are like movie 
critics–useless and usually wrong.”


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission
to debunk?
From: Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, June 06, 2013 2:09 pm
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com

Robert Park is 82http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_L._ParkIn my cabinet I have a bottle to celebrate his no longer finding a use for oxygen. Also..I will debunk his death...as will others.Ron KitaOn Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:06 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Wed, 5 Jun 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote:  They only reacted this way to cold fusion. I will never understand why.   Well, CF is an example of traditional alchemy: transmutation of elements via basic chemistry. If CF is real, then not only does this demonstrate that modern chemistry has a huge hole in it, and the hole has been carefully maintained by hundreds of experts over centuries ...but sitting in that hole are woo-woos: crowds of Crackpot CF True Believers who've been right all along. It means that the Knigts of Scientific Purity and Rightness are shown to be bullies who were beating up innocent victims, and worse, shown to be doing it because they never bothered to read a single thing about the topic that wasn't their own propaganda.  If CF is real, then you just know that all the major magazines and news outlets will focus on how the disbelief caught fire; on a certain physics meeting where the outbreak of sneering first started, and on the ones who led it. The CF-supporters will be promoted, perhaps to department heads and controllers of funding. The powerful suddenly have bosses with old grudges to satisfy. CF-deniers are suddenly seen as the symbol of everything that's wrong with the modern world. Crowds of screaming undergrads dance around bonfires made of old paper journals and magazines, each copy found to contain a column by Park. Maybe even Physics itself will fall, losing any hope of major funding for decades as everyone piles onto the CF bandwagon, and all the young students will want to emulate famous chemists (or famous crazy gold-makers.) (( ( ( (  (  (O)  )  ) ) ) ))) William J. Beaty  SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits  amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818  unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci   

RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

[Craig Brown]

The Bob Park of his dayRichard van der Riet Wooley 
(Astronomer Royal) Fellow of the Royal Society, Gold Medal of the Royal Astronomical Society
“The whole procedure [of shooting rockets into space]…presents 
difficulties of so fundamental a nature, that we are forced to dismiss 
the notion as essentially impracticable, in spite of the author’s 
insistent appeal to put aside prejudice and to recollect the supposed 
impossibility of heavier-than-air flight before it was actually 
accomplished” link

On appointment as Astronomer Royal, he reiterated his long-held view that “space travel is utter bilge”. Speaking to Time in 1956, Woolley noted

“It’s utter bilge. I don’t think anybody will ever put up enough 
money to do such a thing . . . What good would it do us? If we spent the
 same amount of money on preparing first-class astronomical equipment we
 would learn much more about the universe . . . It is all rather rot”.

Woolley’s protestations came just one year prior to the launch of Sputnik, five years before launch of the Apollo Program, and thirteen years before the first landing on the moon.


 Original Message 
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission
to debunk?
From: "Craig Brown" cr...@overunity.co
Date: Thu, June 06, 2013 2:11 pm
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Naval scientist Eldon Byrd put it rather succinctly when he said – “What major contribution has any sceptic made to the betterment of humankind? How many Mother Teresa’s have they produced? How many great scientific discoveries have they made? Many of them are like movie critics–useless and usually wrong.”    Original Message  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk? From: Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com Date: Thu, June 06, 2013 2:09 pm To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com  Robert Park is 82http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_L._ParkIn my cabinet I have a bottle to celebrate his no longer finding a use for oxygen. Also..I will debunk his death...as will others.Ron KitaOn Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:06 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Wed, 5 Jun 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote:  They only reacted this way to cold fusion. I will never understand why.   Well, CF is an example of traditional alchemy: transmutation of elements via basic chemistry. If CF is real, then not only does this demonstrate that modern chemistry has a huge hole in it, and the hole has been carefully maintained by hundreds of experts over centuries ...but sitting in that hole are woo-woos: crowds of Crackpot CF True Believers who've been right all along. It means that the Knigts of Scientific Purity and Rightness are shown to be bullies who were beating up innocent victims, and worse, shown to be doing it because they never bothered to read a single thing about the topic that wasn't their own propaganda.  If CF is real, then you just know that all the major magazines and news outlets will focus on how the disbelief caught fire; on a certain physics meeting where the outbreak of sneering first started, and on the ones who led it. The CF-supporters will be promoted, perhaps to department heads and controllers of funding. The powerful suddenly have bosses with old grudges to satisfy. CF-deniers are suddenly seen as the symbol of everything that's wrong with the modern world. Crowds of screaming undergrads dance around bonfires made of old paper journals and magazines, each copy found to contain a column by Park. Maybe even Physics itself will fall, losing any hope of major funding for decades as everyone piles onto the CF bandwagon, and all the young students will want to emulate famous chemists (or famous crazy gold-makers.) (( ( ( (  (  (O)  )  ) ) ) ))) William J. Beaty  SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits  amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818  unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci 

RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

[Craig Brown]

Often pseudosceptics have a high opinion of themselves, see themselves as elite. It is interesting that a disproportionately high number of pseudosceptics have an interest in magic.Most however, appear to suffer from Imagination Deficiency Personality IDPFictional miss-identification: Often an IDP will react 
to fictional representations as though they are real. For example, they 
may complain about how a popular fictional TV programs portrays the 
paranormal, or get irate if a book they are reading invokes a ghost or 
spirit, or has a character convert to a spiritual outlook. Some write 
letters of complaint to newspapers that, for example, carry an astrology
 column. Once again all subjects were positive on this measure with one 
(Subject 5) even refusing to fly on an airline whose travel magazine 
included an astrology column.Delusions of superiority: In many cases the IDP will 
believe that they have special traits or talents not shared by other 
people. Usually these are confined to a narrow range of human abilities,
 and tend to center around issues of intelligence or education. In the 
mildly IDP this may simply come off as immaturity, arrogance or elitism.
 Subject 3, however, consistently referred to others as “delusional” or 
made references to “Elevator[s] not going to the top floor,” and 
subjects 7, 8 and 9 dedicated substantial time to denigrating the works 
of some obscure scholars.Hyper-realistic representation: This is a tendency on 
the part of the imagination deficient to expect a realistic or rational 
representation in all aspects of life. For example, the IDP may engage 
in nit picking about plot lines in TV programs or books, or complain 
about contemporary linguistic usage which conflicts with a technical 
term. Eight of the 10 subjects scored positive on this measure. Subjects
 8 and 9 wrote books substantially about correct usage of scientific 
terms.


 Original Message 
Subject: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to
debunk?
From: "OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson" orionwo...@charter.net
Date: Wed, June 05, 2013 12:24 pm
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

A question that hasn't been asked is WHY many pseudoskeptics seem to pursue rabid vendettas against issues like UFOs, or CF  LENR, relentlessly so. I suspect they do so because they have ironically misplaced the specific audience they are actually trying to convince. Pseudoskeptics think they are trying to convince a vast world "others" of the fact that their conclusions  opinions are incorrect. This approach will invariably fail because they refuse to admit the possibility that the person they are really trying to convince is no one other than themselves. Unfortunately, they are incapable of admitting this because they have invested too much of their EGO in a house of cards that they must continue to support. It also helps explains why their posting predilections are often obsessively relentless. Constantly focusing all of their energy on trying to tear apart the opinions of others will obviously never address their own unrealized doubts. Therefore, the only option they feel they have left at their own disposal is to try harder.Such irony!Regards,Steven Vincent Johnsonsvjart.OrionWorks.comwww.zazzle.com/orionworkstech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex

RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

[Craig Brown]

This link below is to my own site where I have assembled some of the major character traits of pseudos. I had plenty of real life experience of these clowns owing to the fact that they were at infestation levels on the Steorn forum before they all got banned for trolling. Mary Yugo, Pennies_Everywhere, alsetalokin (an anagram of Nikola Tesla) et al.http://truthfall.com/pseudoscepticism/Another brilliant resource is http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/One of my favourite quotes about pseudosceptics below:“They claim that their behavior is 
“scepticism” but in reality they know nothing about the true meaning of 
scepticism nor practice it since they apply no scepticism to their own 
beliefs or to the status quo but in fact have a total blind spot to 
them. Pyrrho,
 the founder of “Scepticism”, intended for it to be about open inquiry 
and suspension of judgment. I’ve never trusted sceptics, for the very 
reason that they are willing to accept the official version of things 
without a shred of proof but require unrealistic amounts of evidence to accept any other possibility.”


 Original Message 
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission
to debunk?
From: Roger B rogerbi...@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, June 05, 2013 1:04 pm
To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" vortex-l@eskimo.com

   But, seriously, that was an excellent description. Can you supply a link to it?RogerFrom: cr...@overunity.coTo: vortex-l@eskimo.comSubject: RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 19:59:40 -0700Often pseudosceptics have a high opinion of themselves, see themselves as elite. It is interesting that a disproportionately high number of pseudosceptics have an interest in magic.Most however, appear to suffer from Imagination Deficiency Personality IDPFictional miss-identification: Often an IDP will react to fictional representations as though they are real. For example, they may complain about how a popular fictional TV programs portrays the paranormal, or get irate if a book they are reading invokes a ghost or spirit, or has a character convert to a spiritual outlook. Some write letters of complaint to newspapers that, for example, carry an astrology column. Once again all subjects were positive on this measure with one (Subject 5) even refusing to fly on an airline whose travel magazine included an astrology column.Delusions of superiority: In many cases the IDP will believe that they have special traits or talents not shared by other people. Usually these are confined to a narrow range of human abilities, and tend to center around issues of intelligence or education. In the mildly IDP this may simply come off as immaturity, arrogance or elitism. Subject 3, however, consistently referred to others as “delusional” or made references to “Elevator[s] not going to the top floor,” and subjects 7, 8 and 9 dedicated substantial time to denigrating the works of some obscure scholars.Hyper-realistic representation: This is a tendency on the part of the imagination deficient to expect a realistic or rational representation in all aspects of life. For example, the IDP may engage in nit picking about plot lines in TV programs or books, or complain about contemporary linguistic usage which conflicts with a technical term. Eight of the 10 subjects scored positive on this measure. Subjects 8 and 9 wrote books substantially about correct usage of scientific terms.    Original Message  Subject: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk? From: "OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson" orionwo...@charter.net Date: Wed, June 05, 2013 12:24 pm To: vortex-l@eskimo.com  A question that hasn't been asked is WHY many pseudoskeptics seem to pursue rabid vendettas against issues like UFOs, or CF  LENR, relentlessly so. I suspect they do so because they have ironically misplaced the specific audience they are actually trying to convince. Pseudoskeptics think they are trying to convince a vast world "others" of the fact that their conclusions  opinions are incorrect. This approach will invariably fail because they refuse to admit the possibility that the person they are really trying to convince is no one other than themselves. Unfortunately, they are incapable of admitting this because they have invested too much of their EGO in a house of cards that they must continue to support. It also helps explains why their posting predilections are often obsessively relentless. Constantly focusing all of their energy on trying to tear apart the opinions of others will obviously never address their own unrealized doubts. Therefore, the only option they feel they have left at their own disposal is to try harder.Such irony!Regards,Steven Vincent Johnsonsvjart.OrionWorks.comwww.zazzle.com/orionworkstech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex

RE: [Vo]:OT: scrabble challenge

[Craig Brown]

FRENCH


 Original Message 
Subject: [Vo]:OT: scrabble challenge
From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, June 03, 2013 3:14 pm
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Withthe sevenletters LENR CF H make a word.Harry 

RE: [Vo]:skepticism versus Debunkers

[*** Craig Brown ***]

I've dealt with these types for years.  The actual term I prefer to use is
Pseudosceptics - due to the fact that they do not display any of the traits
of true sceptics, but rather that they are opposed to ANYTHING which cannot
be explained by establishment dogma.  The term sceptic no longer means what
it used to but has been hijacked by these insects.

Read my website for more details.
http://truthfall.com/pseudoscepticism/

Craig


-Original Message-
From: William Beaty [mailto:bi...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 16 May 2013 4:08 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:skepticism versus Debunkers

On Sun, 12 May 2013, Kevin O'Malley wrote:

 We need to know where to draw the line. Which facts do we consider so 
 obvious that when someone denies them, they're a debunker rather than 
 small 's' skeptic.

Nah, because we become debunkers only if we start logging onto forums in
order to crusade against the sad muddled beliefs of their users. For
example, I don't subscribe to crazy Phrenologist belief systems, or even UFO
stuff.  Does that make me a Debunker?  Nooo, I just disbelieve, yet I have
zero interest in those topics.  And if a pro-N-rays thread takes off here,
that's no prob, even though I'm a complete Disbeliever.

Again, everyone please read:  http://amasci.com/weird/vmore.html, it's
basically the Rule II details.

RE: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up

[Craig Brown]

I just posted on my Free Energy Truth Facebook page. We have over 19,000 members, so should get a vote or two ;-)


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for
10 days.. hurry up
From: Ruby r...@hush.com
Date: Wed, March 06, 2013 9:28 am
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

   I will post this up on Cold Fusion Now.  But can anyone say what we are voting for? is it for a chance to speak? funding? The website does not explain much...  I would like to give some more info than just please vote.  Ruby On 3/5/13 11:04 AM, Alain Sepeda wrote:  http://futureenergy.ultralightstartups.com/campaign/detail/861   10 days remaining!  LENR Distributed Power Units  By George Miley --  Ruby Carat r...@coldfusionnow.org United States 1-707-616-4894 Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org 

Re: [Vo]:Prometeon site -- FIVE eCat products

[*** Craig Brown ***]

They come in an assortment of different colours. Invisible white, see-through 
yellow and transparent blue.

I wish they would pay more attention to the elephant in the room - the fact 
that there is still no publicly available validation by a credible third party.

Sent from my iPhone

On 02/11/2012, at 12:21 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:

 http://prometeon.it/index.php
 
 http://ecatreport.com/andrearossi/prometeon-goes-live
 
 The 5 products are:
 
1 MW electrical plant: produces up to 120 degrees C, especially
 useful in areas where there is not gas supply. Valuable for producing
 some of the most energy efficient heat on the planet.
 
1 MW gas plant: This is the same plant mentioned above, except it
 is capable of operating with gas power rather than electricity. This
 plant offers even greater savings on energy bills.
 
Industrial E-Cat: to be marketed by summer of 2013. An Electric
 Stand Alone unit that will produce surplus electricity that will keep
 the E-Cat running in self sustained mode, after the initial power up.
 This is recommended for utility companies and industrial applications.
 
Hot Cat: The first one to be delivered in February of next year. A
 1MW plant capable of producing high temperatures and producing
 electricity. Recommended for industrial and utility companies.
 
Thermal-Electric E-Cat: This plant is under development, and will
 provide heat and electricity in industrial applications.
 
 Prometeon does not mention any pricing on their website, yet, but does
 offer a payment plan of up to 4 years. It also seems that the prices
 will be negotiable. Prometion, in stating delivery times, says:
 
“For products already on the market, is max. 4 months from the
 order, unless saturation of the production capacity for large orders,
 in which case the time may be longer.”
 
 
 - - -- - - - 
 
 A diagram indicates an 85% efficiency --- 50% Heat 35% Electricity 15% lost
 
 

RE: [Vo]:How long?

[Craig Brown]

My sentiments exactly. It's nearly the two year anniversary of the first Bologna demonstration and still there is zero in the way of third-party verification of the power claims.

 Original Message 
Subject: [Vo]:How long?
From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, October 18, 2012 2:33 pm
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Eventually, Mr. Rossi will have to show something that can be independently examined and verified completely outside of his control, or the inevitable media and marketplace counter-reaction will set in because of the very public nature of the claims. I'm sure even Mr. Rossi himself would agree with this assertion. I'm not taking a position on the likely outcome, but I wonder: how long does he have?Jeff 

RE: [Vo]:Re: Existence of 1,200C E-Cat Test Report Confirmed

[Craig Brown]

Mark has a point here despite the fact he has done no serious investigation or reporting of LENR in his lifetime. First of all, I would be ecstatic if Rossi's eCat was proven, but the constant regurgitative reportage of "Rossi Says this, Rossi says that" being pumped out by certain reporters has me reaching for the vomit bag on an almost daily basis.If the technology can achieve the power figures quoted and is as near to commercialization as we are led to believe then the results of independent tests will speak for themselves and it won't matter what ANYONE says. Until that moment there's a lovely second hand bridge in New York that I am willing to sell for a good price.

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Existence of 1,200C E-Cat Test Report Confirmed
From: "Puppy Dog" d...@inbox.lv
Date: Thu, August 23, 2012 12:11 pm
To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" vortex-l@eskimo.com

Axil,Be nice to Jed. He is a talking head, not a reporter. He also is an amateur librarian. This may help educate the Vortex crew a little: We must not have a slop of divergent definitions, right?Definition: A reporter is someone who is employed to investigate and report news stories, either for a newspaper, website or broadcast.Definition: A commentator is someone who is employed to write or deliver opinions on a specific subject areas for newspapers, web sites or broadcasts by analysis of news stories. The operative word is employed. Jed and all the other crew members who love to propagate floods of words are worth every nickel they are paid. Perhaps they can add a bit of LiBH4 to their diet and get super fired up, though not to exceed 1200 C. Would not want a melt down.On The BeatAxil Axil Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:01:00 -0700The spirit of my post was to emphasize the importance of “old schooljournalism” as an ideal of what journalism should be.Unlike many journalists practicing today who believes in a desk job or"research" on a computer screen, an old school journalist wants to havefirst hand impressions, gathered from talking with real people and fromgoing on location. The authentic journalist should take his readers alongwith him on this journey of discovery. The  favorite stories of such ajournalist should involve "participatory journalism".The journalist who takes your opinion about the character of Rossi is notworth his salt. He needs to find out the facts for himself as a service anda sacred duty to his readers.Cheers: Axil   

RE: [Vo]:DGT Forum Back Online

[Craig Brown]

The most fundamental question is of the power figures being claimed. Neither Rossi nor Defkalion have yet produced an independent test / report from a reputable third party organisation so far despite assurances that this would occur by now.Personally, I think they need to address the elephant in the room before we get into the minutia.

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:DGT Forum Back Online
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, August 21, 2012 8:22 am
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
 As promised.

 With new rules.

I posted a couple 'o questions; but, the new rules show the questions
are moderated.  I guess we will see the responses tomorrow if at all.

I asked about the spark plugs, are they OTS, iridium/platnium, and how
long they take to foul.

I also asked about the difference in run numbers in the XRF data in
their NIWeek presentation, slide 33.

T

RE: [Vo]:Report in US News not bad

[Craig Brown]

Thanks Frank - good to see more and more mainstream acceptance happening. I imagine it will take a lot more to persuade TIME magazine to come to the party.


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report in US News not bad
From: Frank Acland ecatwo...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, August 09, 2012 9:59 am
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

US News and World Report was once one of the big 3 US news magazines, along with Time and Newsweek. A few years ago, circulation declines let to the magazine going to a biweekly, or maybe even monthly publication, so it is not as big a name as it used to be -- but it would still be considered a mainstream publication. Best,FrankOn Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-08-08 19:08, Jed Rothwell wrote:  See:  http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at-the-edge/2012/08/08/new-burst-of-energy-could-bring-cold-fusion-to-front-burnerHow popular / mainstream is that site?  And what about oilprice.com? I've read it cover some Rossi news a couple times over the past year, but it appears Celani's demo at NIWeek triggered their interested too:  http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Nuclear-Power/Yet-Another-Successful-LENR-Device-Enters-the-Race.html  Cheers, S.A.  -- Frank AclandPublisher, E-Cat WorldAuthor, The Secret Power Beneath 

[Vo]:Philadelphia Inquirer Mentions LENR-CANR.ORG

[Craig Brown]

LENR-CANR.ORG gets a mention in Philadephia Inquirer blog.http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/evolution/Climate-Change-Deniers-Not-as-Prolific-as-Cold-Fusion-Proponents.html

RE: [Vo]:Gibbs article is annoying

[Craig Brown]

Gibbs should cease writing about cold fusion and stick to writing about USB flash drives or whatever other tech stories are appealing to his readership of establishment goons. His bias and regular omission of the facts clearly comes through in the tone and content of his articles. It's a wonder Randi or Bob Park haven't offered him a job as chief spin-doctor.

 Original Message 
Subject: [Vo]:Gibbs article is annoying
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, August 06, 2012 10:23 am
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

The most recent Gibbs article is here:http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/08/04/the-state-of-the-cold-fusion-market/ I find this annoying. He writes:"So, is cold fusion real? Well, from the thousands of experiments performed over the last few decades it seems that there are various reactions that output more energy than is put into them but whether these effects can be scaled up into devices that output a significant amount of energy and operate reliably still isn’t clear." This response does not answer the question! Gibbs asks "Is cold fusion real" and then -- instead of answering that -- he talks about "whether these efforts can be scaled up." "Real" and "scalable" are two different things. No one disputes that muon catalyzed fusion is real, but it cannot be scaled up. Tokama plasma fusion is real but it cannot be scaled down. This is sloppy. Ask a question and then answer it. Do not answer another question.The answer is: Yes, cold fusion is real, because it has been replicated in hundreds of major laboratories, and these replications have been published in carefully vetted, top-of-the-line peer reviewed journals. That is the definition of "real" in experimental science. There is no other criterion for being real. Whether it is scaled up or commercialized has no bearing on that question. To answer this, Gibbs should cite the journals. If you are asking: "can cold fusion be scaled up?" the answer is: "we don't know yet. It seems Rossi has scaled up but there is no independent proof yet." - Jed 

RE: [Vo]:Gibbs article is annoying

[Craig Brown]

Hehe...so you DO read Vortex after all - I had suspected you may be paying attention Mark ;)
If mainstream media pundits such as yourself want to 
continually present cold fusion in a less than positive light through a 
series of badly researched and establishment skewed opinion pieces then 
you are doing your readership a disservice, for example - in the latest 
Forbes article you still refer to those with an alternative opinion of 
the 1989 Pons and Fleischmann saga as "conspiracy theorists" knowing 
well the implied baggage this carries and that your readership will 
immediately want to distance themselves from this position. 
Here's a radical thought, why not tell your readers 
about the many other researchers in all corners of the world who have 
produced clear and unambiguous scientific results of excess heat - the 
results of which are documented in various papers online. I highlighted
 this to you over a year ago, but still you have done nothing to address
 this obvious gap in the realistic portrayal of the advancements in cold
 fusion / LENR still currently being presented by Forbes, and just for 
clarity, I am not referring to Rossi or Defkalion here.
I am definitely not angry as you wrongly suggest, 
instead I would say it's mildly frustrating to continually witness 
supposedly educated scientific journalists and influential media 
commentators focus in on the more controversial figures in the field 
such as Rossi, meanwhile ignoring everything else and boiling the 
discussion down to a few soundbites and pictures of snakes and clowns. 
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/02/14/e-cat-proof-challenge-100-is-a-clownerie/
 If there's a lack of attention and funding to cold 
fusion / LENR then it is most certainly not being helped by mainstream 
media publications such as Forbes (among many others) who rather than 
leaving the discussion open are appearing to reinforce the "swamp gas" 
explanation for what is already a scientifically proven phenomena. Time
 is moving on, it's no longer 1989, It's 2012 - say after me "It's OK to
 say in public that LENR is a real phenomena".
It is not my fault that Forbes or the other 
establishment press have chosen to ignore the rest of the LENR field and
 to zero in on Rossi et al. I suppose writing about the more 
controversial claims like Rossi's must sell advertising better while 
providing an outlet for the establishment biased Forbes readers to bash 
those pesky cold fusion conspiracy theorists in the comments section 
while polishing their USB coffee-cup warmers.Forbes (as a publication), has a long standing track record of pouring scorn on anything that's even slightly controversial in the field of alternative energy. I wouldn't expect anything less.

RE: [Vo]:RE: Steorn HephaHeat

[*** Craig Brown ***]

Hmmmthat was a really mature retort.

-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012 11:53 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:RE: Steorn HephaHeat

Looks like Sean's pub tab has maxed out again. 



-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton 

Craig Brown wrote:

 Steorn In 50 million Euros HephaHeat Bonanza
 http://truthfall.com/steorn-in-e50-million-a-year-hephaheat-bonanza/

Isn't truthfall.com your web site?

T

[Vo]:RE: Steorn HephaHeat

[Craig Brown]

Steorn In 50 million Euros HephaHeat Bonanzahttp://truthfall.com/steorn-in-e50-million-a-year-hephaheat-bonanza/

RE: [Vo]:Cats for Sale

[*** Craig Brown ***]

That's the problem for me personally. No matter how much I know LENR is
real, I still need to be convinced that LENR can produce the amounts of
power being claimed by Andrea Rossi and Defkalion. To date we have not had
one single properly INDEPENDENT test.  We're up to our arses in renderings
and websites with nothing of any substanceyet.

 

From: Andrea Selva [mailto:andreagiuseppe.se...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 22 July 2012 5:50 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Cats for Sale

 

They got nice renderings tough. Are them for sale? 

2012/7/22 *** Craig Brown *** cr...@overunity.co

Maybe because there is no product that exists.


-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 22 July 2012 9:40 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Cats for Sale

Sweden and Australia look to be taking prelim orders for units.  But
the Aussie site might be the dubious GW.

I wonder why we see no others?

T



 

RE: [Vo]:Cats for Sale

[*** Craig Brown ***]

Maybe because there is no product that exists.

-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 22 July 2012 9:40 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Cats for Sale

Sweden and Australia look to be taking prelim orders for units.  But
the Aussie site might be the dubious GW.

I wonder why we see no others?

T

RE: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

[Craig Brown]

How much longer can this continue until there is some proper 3rd party validation.


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
Date: Thu, July 19, 2012 10:03 am
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

 I have to question their earlier statements that they have hundreds of investors in as many countries. Why do they not have sufficient funds if this is true? Something is rotten in the state of "(fill in the state)". Someone correct me if I have their statement mixed up with anotherentity.  Dave-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Jul 18, 2012 6:53 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)   Frank Acland ecatwo...@gmail.com wrote:  Jed, on your point 2 -- to me they seem not be saying they base their claims on the cold fusion experiments of others. They said "NASA, US Navy, publicly traded companies from America, Canada, Germany and England and universities abroad have visited us and have turned their attention to our achievements."   Ah. You are quite right. I misunderstood. They are not trying to invoke or borrow NASA's own experiments to bolster their legitimacy.The translation is difficult. It is probably done by machine.   Let me move the goal posts elsewhere, but restate the general idea. We must wait for them to publish an independent evaluation from NASA or the U.S. Navy or what-have-you. Until they do that, I think it is unwise for them to invoke these organizations, or use their visits as a means to claim legitimacy.   Perhaps they mean they have shown the results to the Greek government and they are disappointed in the response. From this rather poor translation, it seems that DGT are saying that they have got the attention of important visitors -- but they can't get investments operating out of Greece.I see. But as I said, it is not reasonable to expect an investment from the Greek government, if that is what they had in mind. Greece is in a severe economic crisis, as everyone knows.   - Jed  

RE: [Vo]:News update from Andrea Rossi and ECAT.com in May

[Craig Brown]

News update? eh? This was not a news update. This was more of the same mindless fluff of no substance. NOTHING has been revealed. I'll personally judge Rossi by independent validation - and so far there has been hee haw.Show me a report from UL or similar that confirms the power output of the eCat and I'll get on board. How long will the "I'm working in secret with the military" line hold up without further scrutiny? What branch of the military? Who specifically? Times, dates, places, evidence etc.Otherwise, talk is cheap, and if you don't believe me I can sell you a lovely bridge that crosses the Hudson.warm regards


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:"News update from Andrea Rossi and ECAT.com in May"
From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, May 15, 2012 1:38 pm
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Do not judge Rossi by the standards of academic science. That's the biggest mistake people make. Judge him instead by the standards of software companies in the go-go 1980s, or railroad financing circa 1870 during the Credit Mobilier scandal.Back then those industries were in the Wild West (figuratively and literally) where no rules applied. Vaporware, rumors, sleight-of-hand tricks, indirection, misdirection and corruption were pervasive. It was ananything-goes, law-of-the-jungle atmosphere.I gather the Italian business world is like that now, and always has been. That is where Rossi comes from. Agreed. I wonder whether a lot of the frustration with Rossi is more just a residue of people's initial skepticism towards cold fusion in general. The first reaction is to disbelieve any suggestion of cold fusion out of hand and for that reason to adopt the initial assumption that Rossi is lying. Once the reflexive doubt about cold fusion wears away, some of Rossi's unguarded public statements can be distracting. But when one listens to him speak in an interview, he sounds pretty reasonable. And if his inventions end up doing half of what he's reporting, I think humanity will owe him a huge debt of gratitude. In light of all of this, it seems safest to withhold judgement and see where things go. Eric 

RE: [Vo]:Transmuting bacteria

[*** Craig Brown ***]

Wasn't this the same NASA announcement from 2010 about the Lake Mono
Bacteria whose DNA was based on Arsenic?

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/12/02/mono-lake-bact
eria-build-their-dna-using-arsenic-and-no-this-isnt-about-aliens/

 

From: David Jonsson [mailto:davidjonssonswe...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 2 May 2012 8:11 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: [Vo]:Transmuting bacteria

 

Is this story basically true?

http://sandbox.scp-wiki.net/transmuting-bacteria 

 

David


David Jonsson, Sweden, phone callto:+46703000370

RE: [Vo]:Dorito UFO Spotted Again

[*** Craig Brown ***]

Looks like the TR3B Astra. (Google is your friend).

 

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 30 March 2012 6:11 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Dorito UFO Spotted Again

 

I know nothing about video, but that looks real to me.

 

I expect this is a man-made device. As the article points out, many people
saw the B-2 stealth bomber over the years.

 

- Jed

 

[Vo]: Finally

[Craig Brown]

Praise The Lord. Krivit is finally going to calm the negative Rossi beating. (see below)."New Energy Times has a few more loose ends to tie up for the 
Rossi story, and we will publish them in the next week. Unless other 
significant news develops about Rossi, our coverage will drop back 
significantly after next week." From the following email he sent out I received a good question today from a New Energy Times reader.  "Exactly why are you going after Rossi for what he is doing?" the reader asked.  Twelve
 years ago, I chose as a profession investigating, analyzing and 
reporting on low-energy nuclear reaction research. This is my beat. It 
is my job to report on LENR news, be it good or bad. I choose to help 
readers understand the full spectrum of science and issues related to 
LENR.  Sometimes,
 the stories are strictly about science. Sometimes, they're about 
science politics. Sometimes, they're about science personalities. To 
fully understand the work, the field and the news, I have to look at 
everything.  Also,
 I perform deep investigations. So if I find something - like Rossi's 
past history, with his attempts to convert old tires into oil - that I 
think will help readers understand the subject of the story, then I 
report that.  Because
 I am a specialist in LENR, I am able to understand a lot about these 
kinds of stories, in terms of both the science and the history.  I
 approached the Rossi story 14 months ago with neutrality, and I 
cautiously hoped for the best from it. Based on events that took place 
in June, 2011, which I have partially reported, my neutrality and 
optimism dissipated.  New Energy Times
 has a few more loose ends to tie up for the Rossi story, and we will 
publish them in the next week. Unless other significant news develops 
about Rossi, our coverage will drop back significantly after next week. - Steven Krivit   

[Vo]:New Energy Times claim

[Craig Brown]

I certainly cannot explain it.Just finished reading it. Still waiting on the bit where Krivit says he will reveal "Followers of the Rossi story ask, "What is Rossi's endgame? If the 
Energy Catalyzer doesn't work, how could he stand to profit?" This 
analysis will answer these questions."Annoyed that I won't get those 15 minutes of my life back.One thing that bugs me is why does Krivit describe himself as "Senior Editor"? In all the time I've read anything on New Energy Times there doesn't appear to be any other staff other than Krivit to be senior to, unless the cleaner has a column hidden somewhere.


 Original Message 
Subject: [Vo]:New Energy Times claim
From: "Jones Beene" jone...@pacbell.net
Date: Thu, March 08, 2012 7:49 am
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

 I read through all of this - and still do not understand how Rossi will get rich without a working device.   Can anyone explain it ? 

RE: [Vo]:New Energy Times claim

[Craig Brown]

Using the phrase "gullible investors" is the equivalent of the "swamp gas" excuse in UFO literature.Investors take risks, and they have the money to do so - that is the whole nature of being an investor. The anti free energy brigade try to paint investors as dear old ladies about to lose their life savings to dodgy doorstep salesmen.

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times claim
From: Jeff Driscoll hcarb...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, March 08, 2012 8:16 am
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

he needs a gullible investor, or a fraudulent investor wanting to find
a bigger gullible investor,
he's probably learned the game with his previous fraudulent work

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
 I read through all of this - and still do not understand how Rossi will get
 rich without a working device.



 Can anyone explain it ?

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed

[Craig Brown]

This is all because of the MaryYugo's of the world. Irrational fear of the unknown coupled with a twisted desire to preserve scientific dogma. They would not have closed the forum had it not been for these clowns who think a scam lurks around every corner in their sad lives.


 Original Message 
Subject: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, March 02, 2012 1:40 pm
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

I have been there almost as long as the moderators.  Now I get this
message when I try to post:


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

sigh

I hope they have something.  If not, we are all fools.  I am not amused.

T

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again

[Craig Brown]

Every single alternative energy forum suffers from the same problem. An infestation by the establishment trolls foaming at the mouth and conducting themselves in the manor of a religious cult in their denouncement of ANYTHING that strays from scientific dogma. They will not let up in pushing their agenda on everyone. It's has so many parallels with religious fanatacism, but try explaining that to them - they are blinkered. Even the biggest of believers do not push their belief systems onto people with such determination.I've seen it on the Steorn forum, the EEStor forum, and now Defkalion.This place also came close also until Hody and co were told their services were no longer needed. They were flushed down the plughole and disappeared in a VORTEX (pun intended).


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, March 01, 2012 7:37 am
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

From DGT:

 The situation now is different in that our openness
 creates problems that can damage the success of this project.

...

Some may agree, and some may disagree with DGT's stated reasons for
closing their forum.

Personally, I'm surprised that DGT actually had a controversial forum
of this nature up and running for as long as they had. Managing a
forum of this nature struck me as an incredibly risky venture, a task
that in the end becomes nearly impossible to control insofar as trying
to maintain good PR is concerned. If I had been the CEO I wouldn't
have authorized a forum of this nature, even though I know full well
that it would have disappointed many, including myself. ...especially
myself.

I ask myself: Would Apple have allowed a controversial forum of this
nature, a form that would have allowed Joe Public and all of his
in-laws to argue incessantly over the so called merits (or the lack)
of developing an iPhone  iPad, particularly while the project was
still under development?

Granted, maybe Rossi  DGT will turn out to be a scam operation, just
as all the skeptics have been harping all along. I sincerely doubt it,
but I must admit the fact that it is still a remote possibility. The
way I see it, the fact that DGT decided to close their forum is no
grounds, in my book, for suddenly feeling overly concerned. If
anything, it suggests to me that DGT realizes they need to focus all
their energies on the tasks-at-hand. It seems like every time there is
another bump in the road certain skeptics point to the event as
further proof that it's proof of scam operation. It can also cause
certain believers fret and worry - endlessly. Why should DGT feel
obligated to piss on the latest bonfire created by another rabid
skeptic, or for that matter continue to assure hand wringing
believers? Well... they don't!

Chill out! Go get some authentic Greek Worry Beads!

http://www.greekinternetmarket.com/worrybeads.php


PS: I noticed that DGT continues to speak of Rossi in a reasonably
respectful manner. Good business PR on their part. A mark of
professionalism.

My two cents.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: [Vo]:DGT's 1st test did not test power, just safety (NyTeknik)

[Craig Brown]

Defkalion have previously stated that the groups of testers were entirely free to publish their own results. Perhaps we will start to see announcemnts turn up online over the coming weeks/months. I don't think Defkalion will try to restrict them talking - if they did that would be a bad move.


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:DGT's 1st test did not test power, just safety
(NyTeknik)
From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, March 01, 2012 8:07 am
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Do notexpect to see any data from these tests:"Until Defkalion Green Technologies has its product, we shall no longer get involved in the games and blogs of online media. Our next announcement in the coming months will be that of a successful and certified product." http://defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=1278 Data is surely a part of these online games.2012/2/29 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com I do not see how they have changed their test protocol. They did this just like they told to do, that is a twin test. I guess that they first thought to do it 2x24 hours, but 2x12 hours was find to be enough for the testing purpose, that was to demonstrate the cold fusion effect. Of course these kind of tests do not give information on long term performance.  But anyway, we need to wait for the report if it is going to be published before April 1st, when all planned tests are finished.   ―Jouni  On 29 Feb 2012, at 19:52, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:   Defkalion does not bother to explain why these tests differ  significantly from those that were originally planned. It is ok to  change plans, but without an explanation it makes their behaviour look  suspicious. Similarly they never explained why the tests planned for  last august never occured. IMO, this is bad PR on their part.   Harry   On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:  Making tests- internal or with other parties is now  a routine activity for DGT; tests can be of different duration and can  differ by other parameters too. Till  we have no data and other information, we cannot say what the tests show.  The tests are done with and for people who will take decisions and have  influence.  If these people do not need or do not like publicity,our curiosity will  suffer.  Peter   On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:   So, each reaction merely last 12 hours and not 48 hours. 2 teams already,  when we just expected only 1. *facepalm*   This story gets worse and worse for DGT.  2012/2/29 Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com   UPDATED (February 29): In an interview with New Technology, said  Alexandros Xanthoulis that the test was conducted on 24 February and that it  is not focused on security, as the product is ready for such tests. The  focus instead was to show that the released heat energy from a "Low Energy  Nuclear Reaction" and not from a chemical source. The test lasted for 24  hours and comprising both an empty and active site reactor changed after 12  hours. Xanthoulis also told that two of the seven international groups have  already carried out their tests and that the final test is scheduled for  late March. He did not know when or if the test results will be published. /  End update /.http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=autotl=enjs=nprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyteknik.se%2Fnyheter%2Fenergi_miljo%2Fenergi%2Farticle3419329.ece     From: alain.sep...@gmail.com  Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 14:59:44 +0100  Subject: Re: [Vo]:DGT's 1st test did not test power, just safety  (NyTeknik)  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=1272p=6889#p6889  Defkalion disagree with that article:   "Nytechnik article is 100% wrong based on pure speculations of the  journalist.  We expect his response after a direct communication with him.  DGT"   2012/2/29 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com   Defkalion failed to make it clear on their forum that the government  representatives have so far only evaluated the Hyperion's safety.  Surely, they realize that most people interpreted their vague  annoncement of "positive results" as "positive measures of energy  gain". Why do we have to learn through Mats Lewan what they really  meant?   Harry   On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com  wrote:  " The test was supposed to start on Friday 24 February, but according  to  sources of Ny Teknik it was initiated only after the weekend. The  sources  also said that the test was not focused on power or energy measurements  but  rather on safety."   http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3419346.ece   --  Daniel Rocha - RJ  danieldi...@gmail.com--  Daniel Rocha - RJ  danieldi...@gmail.com  --  Dr. Peter Gluck  Cluj, Romania  http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com-- Daniel Rocha - RJdanieldi...@gmail.com   

RE: [Vo]:Mark Gibbs- Forbes..more Dan Smith s Dead Deal

[*** Craig Brown ***]

Does anyone really expect to get a fair hearing on cold fusion from one of
the establishment and Rothschild owned lapdogs - Forbes?

This is what they do best.  

 

Good to see that the comments reflect the fact that Gibbs is out of touch
with 99% of the people reading his stoopid article.

 

From: Ron Kita [mailto:chiralex.k...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2012 9:05 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: [Vo]:Mark Gibbs- Forbes..more Dan Smith s Dead Deal

 

Greetings Vortex,

 

On a date, Feb 24th, I thought that Mark Gibbs of Forbes could focus on
the upcoming Defkalion Test-

He dras out the  Dead Dan Smith Deal..shesh.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/02/24/dick-smith-rossi-e-cat-too-
fantastic-to-be-true/ 

 

Forbeslets look at the hole in the doughnut.

 

Respectfully,

Ron Kita, Chiralex

At one time--I thought Forbes ..just  might give all  sides..especially
MIT, Swartz and Hagelstein  coverage on

 Cold Fusion.  Magazines..it is the advertisers..that wag the DOG.

 

Respectfully,

Ron Kita, Chiralex

[Vo]:Dick Says Yes To $1M Counter Offer By Defkalion

[Craig Brown]

It's High Noon in LENR land as Dick accepts Defkalion's offer of the same testing Rossi turned down.http://ecatnews.com/?p=2054

RE: [Vo]:Krivit: con letter from Rossi.

[Craig Brown]

None of what Krivit says explains Defkalion and despite them claiming essentially the same technology he never mentions them and just focusses on Rossi. If their independent tests prove successful then this gives Rossi a load more credibility since they are rumoured to have back engineered the operation of the eCat. It also catapults Defkalion into first place since they will have independent testing to back up what they say.Mark Gibbs (Forbes) and all the other mainstream commentators never mention Defkalion either, choosing instead to focus on the easy target - Rossi. Rossi doesn't help himself by consistently coming out with rambling statements written in CAPITAL LETTERS. I feel some sympathy with the people waiting to hear definitive proof of the eCat.A 1MW customer stepping forward to identify themselves would be nice, as would a picture of the "robotized factory", as would some independent testing with protocols not set by Rossi himself. I know Rossi would just say something like "I have not time for this clownery, my goal is to make production ecats for the world", but that's just bollocks to be honest. He needs to get real.No wonder people are getting fed up. He needs to give people something to work with.The latest statement (which came out of nowhere) about how attorneys are running the show is just another vague and ambiguous soundbite which blurs into all the other vague and ambiguous soundbites. Krivit and co are having a field day because of this kind of bad public relations. Rossi needs to throw away his keyboard, stop responding to blog comments and invest in a good PR consultant to make statements on his behalf.If anyone is going to come out on top it will be Defkalion. Their professionalism at conducting PR is light years ahead of Rossi and it looks like they may well deliver independent test results to back up their claims. Unlike Rossi, they seem to know how important public perception is and independent published test results will give them just that.

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Krivit: con letter from Rossi.
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, February 16, 2012 9:14 am
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com

Regarding links:

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Solihin-Millin/20120127Rossi-Invoice-Redact.pdf
and
http://ecatmotor.com/e-cat/bryon-new-energy-charitable-trust-to-support-e-cat
http://www.byronnewenergy.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

* * * *

Krivit's PDF document shows an invoice from Byron New Energy
Charitable Trust for $100,000 to be paid to Leonardo Corp, Rossi's
business front. I'll assume the invoice is for real.

Meanwhile, I noticed that Krivit previously stated in: Report #4:
Rossi's NASA Test Fails to Launch:

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2012/Report-4-Rossis-NASA-Test-
Fails-to-Launch.shtml

http://tinyurl.com/7awlywl

Excerpt:

”Solihin Millin is a perfect example. [of what I'll assume Krivit is
inferring to be a scam operator] He runs an organization in Australia
called Byron New Energy Charitable Trust. On Jan. 13, 2012, he held an
investors' meeting and began asking people for money for Rossi E-Cats.
Millin's heavyweight reference for scientific credibility: Bushnell.
(As we went to press, to our knowledge, Rossi had not denied any
association with Millin.)"

* * *

There is a lot being inferred here by Krivit, particularly since
nobody has confirmed nor denied anything! Because nobody has said
anything that certainly allows Krivit to continue to infer lots of
innuendo. It also looks to me as if Krivit is beginning to build his
case against NASA chief scientist, Bushnell. From Krivit's POV it
would appear that Bushnell is spending too much time doting on Rossi
rather than on the Widom Larsen theory.

Besides the Wiki article, X'atly what do we know about Millin's trust
organization? Does anyone have anything of substance to report on
them?

Is any of this information by any chance related to the apparent
demise of the Aussie Guy?

Just curious.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

[Vo]:Krivit: con letter from Rossi.

[Craig Brown]

If Rossi is eventually proven right then I fully expect to see Krivit at the serving window of Burger King. 


 Original Message 
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Krivit: con letter from Rossi.
From: Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com
Date: Thu, February 16, 2012 10:39 am
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

The comments at 
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/13/rossis-australian-investment-opportunity-falls-through/#comments 
are worth reading.
(Including a long to-and-fro with Sol Millin).

The Ian Bryce chimes in, complaining that Krivit isn't giving due 
weight to his "earth wire" theory.

  True the E-CATS produced a mixture of steam and water at 100C. But 
even if there was minimal steam and mainly water raised from 18 to 
100C as measured, the heat capacity (excluding heat of vaporization) 
demands an energy source. At the calibrated flow rate, the output 
power was around 2600 W for up to 6 hours, when the input power was 
measured to be zero.

So .. he accepts that the eCat is generating excess heat

  Only the earth wire hypothesis can account for those 7 tests with 
verifiable output power.

Only? Either that ... or it really IS a LENR device!

(A certain M.Y. shoots down Bryce's theory ... and a bit further 
down, seems to be calling the invoice a fake!)

RE: [Vo]:Krivit: con letter from Rossi.

[Craig Brown]

"Gimme a flamed and grilled Rossi Burger, no pickle, Krivit fries to go, and super size me with and a side of humble pie."

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Krivit: con letter from Rossi.
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, February 16, 2012 11:32 am
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co wrote:
 If Rossi is eventually proven right then I fully expect to see Krivit at the
 serving window of Burger King.

"You want fries with that?"

T

[Vo]:Vo]:Gibbs Will Interview Dick Smith

[Craig Brown]

"I had a very interesting discussion with Dick Smith earlier today 
regarding his thoughts on Rossi and the E-Cat and I’ll be posting an 
interview with him in the next few days." Mark Gibbs (Forbes)http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/02/15/rossi-responds-to-smiths-challenge-to-prove-e-cat-works/Presumably this will be another hit-piece on Rossi, courtesy of the Rothschild propaganda rag that is Forbes. Maybe those two should team up and call themselves "Krivit and Gibbs". Has a certain Penn and Teller ring to it.It should be noted that Dick is a fan of human-induced climate change and is pro carbon tax and is a fan of the depopulation agenda. I bet he's pro fluoride, pro vaccine and pro one world currency as well.http://dicksmithpopulation.com/http://www.bonzer.org.au/?p=31910Disturbing to see they've got Bindi Irwin roped into promoting a depopulation agenda throgh Smith's book launch.   

RE: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Craig Brown]

Hehe..gotta love RossiArchibald Fields
February 14th, 2012 at 5:57 PM
Dick Smith Offer
Dear Andrea,
Australian millionaire Dick Smith has written an open letter to you 
offering more than $1,000,000 unconditionally if you can successfully 
repeat March 29 demo. This is easy money and you have till 20 Feb to 
accept. Kullander and Essen can be validators. This will provide you 
with easy and much needed funding. What good reason is there to decline 
this offer?
Yours Faithfully, Archibald Fields
Andrea Rossi
February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM
Dear Archibald Fields:
This is a Clownerie. If this guy wants to test a 1 MW plant and has 1 
million to’ spend he can buy a 1 MW plant, with a refilar contract, that
 gives him all the necessary guarantee. Our plants Are tester by Our 
Customers and the Consultants they chiose. I have not time at all for 
this clownery.
Warm Regards,
A.R.


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, February 15, 2012 9:46 am
To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" vortex-l@eskimo.com

I predict that Rossi will ignore this offer.

If I were him, I would accept it. But he has said he will do no tests, 
and he can be very stubborn. For some reason the decision is 
irrevocable. This is odd because he often changes his mind and changes 
his plans radically.

One reason he will not allow tests is because he is a control freak. He 
will not allow other people unimpeded access to the cells. He will not 
allow EK to decide exactly how to do the test or what instruments to 
use. He has given over complete control on rare occasions. He hates do that.

In some ways he is enlightened and doing a good job. In other ways, he 
has a full-blown, terminal case of the Inventor's Disease.

I hope that in a few years, he can reach a reconciliation Defkalion and 
get the money  recognition he deserves.

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:Mark Gibbs - Forbes- on LENR January 20th blog

[*** Craig Brown ***]

Gibbs  seems utterly desperate to explain LENR away as just an unrepeatable
anomaly and as usual Mary is one of the first  to get the word scam in
there somewhere.  I find it curious how the noisy negativists get so over
the top obsessed with ramming their opinions down everyone's throat. I can
imagine them sitting at their PCs, literally foaming at the mouth while
typing.  You do wonder what sort of mindset you have to be in to dedicate
your life to trying to kill off frontiers of research that could save this
planet.  That's a pretty dark set of values.

 

From: Ron Kita [mailto:chiralex.k...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, 23 January 2012 5:44 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: [Vo]:Mark Gibbs - Forbes- on LENR January 20th blog

 

Greetings Vortex-l,

 

Here is the latest from Mark Gibbs.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/01/20/cold-fusion-theory-or-fact/


 

Perhaps, when advertisements are placed in Forbes for LENR

devices, then they will accept the notion...that LENR ..might... work.

 

mgi...@gibbs.com  ..a Colleridge quote: Like a painted ship..upon a
painted ocean.

 

Ron Kita, Chiralex

RE: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own group

[*** Craig Brown ***]

Jed, what you have described here is EXACTLY what happened to the Steorn
Forum. MaryYugo and all the moletrap clowns took over the forum and it
became so abusive that the forum was closed. They are a cancer and a barrier
to progress because of their own egos.

 

These people include Mary Yugo, Axil Axil, John Milstone, Eff Wivakeef and
others. You know who you are. If you will not stop this childish nonsense, I
ask you to shut up and go away. I ask Bill Beaty to ban you. I have been
adding you to my personal kill file, but there seems to be so many of you
lately, and you are so noisy, you are interfering with scientific discourse,
and perverting the spirit of this forum.

 

The Internet is unbounded. You can form your own discussion group. You can
subscribe to this group while you post your attacks and ad hominem
elsewhere. Or take it to VortexB-L. Of course we welcome your contributions
to the technical discussion here.

 

- Jed

 

 

RE: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own group

[Craig Brown]

This is not what we are discussing. We are talking about the forum and how it was overtaken by abusive posters. Steorn's claim is not relevant to this discussion. Quoting Wikipedia is of no value when it comes to exotic energy claims simply because of their establishment bias and the bias of the Wikipedia "editors".


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own
group
From: John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, January 23, 2012 6:56 am
To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" vortex-l@eskimo.com

You mean the Steorn that hand-picked a jury of scientists to test their technology, which then unanimously determined that Steorn failed to show any signs of excess energy?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steorn#Jury_process  From: *** Craig Brown *** cr...@overunity.co To: vortex-l@eskimo.com  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:49 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own groupJed, what you have described here is EXACTLY what happened to the Steorn Forum. MaryYugo and all the moletrap clowns took over the forum and it became so abusive that the forum was closed. They are a cancer and a barrier to progress because of their own egos. These peopleinclude Mary Yugo,Axil Axil,John Milstone,Eff Wivakeef and others. You know who you are. If you will not stop this childish nonsense, I ask you to shut up and go away. I ask Bill Beaty to ban you. I have been adding you to my personal kill file, but there seems to be so many of you lately, and you are so noisy, you are interfering with scientific discourse, and perverting the spirit of this forum. The Internet is unbounded. You can form your own discussion group. You can subscribe to this group while you post your attacks and ad hominem elsewhere. Or take it to VortexB-L.Of course we welcome your contributions to the technical discussion here. - Jed 

RE: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own group

[Craig Brown]

I think you are misreading the situation. The problem here is the accusatory and pathalogical scepticism displayed by posters such as yourself which is based on attacking the character of anyone and everyone who is keeping an open mind regarding Rossi's claims.

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own
group
From: Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, January 23, 2012 9:31 am
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

On 23/01/2012 4:46 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
 
 These people include Mary Yugo, Axil Axil, John Milstone, Eff Wivakeef
 and others. You know who you are. If you will not stop this childish
 nonsense, I ask you to shut up and go away. I ask Bill Beaty to ban you.
 I have been adding you to my personal kill file, but there seems to be
 so many of you lately, and you are so noisy, you are interfering with
 scientific discourse, and perverting the spirit of this forum.

 The Internet is unbounded. You can form your own discussion group. You
 can subscribe to this group while you post your attacks and ad hominem
 elsewhere. Or take it to VortexB-L. Of course we welcome your
 contributions to the technical discussion here.

 - Jed

Oh so now Vortex is only a PRO Rossi discussion group?

What are you hiding Jed? Do you know about other Rossi lies that have 
not come out? Are you trying to stop this discussion because the fire is 
getting too hot for you and you don't want to be burnt?

Playing with matches or hiding Rossi lies is a good way to be burnt. 
Just like Lewans, Focardi and Levi have been burnt. Concerned you may be 
joining that group?

Shaun

RE: [Vo]:Another lie from Rossi: 1MW plant was at bologna in the first day of november

[Craig Brown]

Hehe...you really are a bit of a drama queen Shaun. Put down the aspartame drink slowly and step away from the keyboard..


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another lie from Rossi: 1MW plant was at bologna in
the first day of november
From: Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, January 23, 2012 10:05 am
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

On 23/01/2012 6:28 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

 It is either minor confusion or a minor lie.

Minor Lie? WTF?

Rossi lied to the world about shipping the words first operational 500 
kW LENR reactor to a secret customer and later lied about going there to 
do the install.

Jed what does it take to make you wake up? Rossi places NO VALUE on the 
truth. You suggest that only relates to his business claims. I say BS. A 
liar has no respect for the truth, business or technical product specs. 
There is no differentiation.

Rossi is a liar and a fraudster.

He has burnt the reputations of Lewans, Focardi and Levi on his fire of 
ego. Will you be joining them?

Shaun

RE: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own group

[Craig Brown]

I'm all for transparency and god knows Rossi needs to sort out his translations for the avoidance of doubt. But transparency works BOTH ways. You can't have transparency on ONE side only! Pathological sceptics are rarely transparent and usually have their own agenda. So sitting there demanding transparency from Rossi while they languish in the safety of anonymity while firing accusations and character assasinations themselves is hypocritical and makes a mockery. It's double standards - pure and simple.


 Original Message 
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own
group
From: Dusty d_bra...@bellsouth.net
Date: Mon, January 23, 2012 10:27 am
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

A lot more transparancy would negate the need for 'open' minds. 

Sadly,  Rossi = Fail. 

Any University would be happy to test his device under an NDA and blackbox..

How you gonna change the world without coming out into the light? He could have protected his IP and changed the world, but alas chooses to hide behind smoke screens. Why? Because he has something to hide.

Now excuse me while go brush my teeth. (Just threw up in my mouth a little).

Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co wrote:

RE: [Vo]:The 1MW container is not from old footage.

[Craig Brown]

I would not be surprised if Eff Wivakeef and Shaun Taylor are fake pseudonyms and that they are posters from the moletrap forum. MaryYugo regularly tells everyone over on Moletrap how stupid and gullible "she" thinks everyone on Vortex is, then she comes over here to have a go.The fact Yugo and her entourage hide behind fake identities says it all. They don't have the courage to stand behind the accusations they so often publicly make. And who precisely do they think they are saving from the Rossi monster? If lying, cheating and immoral and unjust financial irregularities are their primary concern then surely they would be better served disrupting a forum belonging to one of the private banks.

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The 1MW container is not from old footage.
From: Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de
Date: Mon, January 23, 2012 10:22 am
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Yup. The way they argue I think Shaun Taylor and Eff Wivakeef are 
actually the same persons... I think I might also start creating a kill 
list like Jed although perhaps there is a time when one of both might 
actually have something worthwhile to contribute to a discussion 
(although this seems unlikely at the moment)...

Wolf


 So here was Shaun's acknowledging the FACT that he doesn't know, or have
 evidence that Rossi is even aware of the Australian licensee (Millin):

 ===
 "*While I have no proof*, I would expect a few of those going to the meeting
 would have emailed Rossi to check on the validity of Millin's claim to be
 the Australian licensee. No one would invest money with Millin without that
 being made very clear and at least sighting the necessary executed documents
 to back up Millin's claim."

 Shaun
 ==

 So it is perfectly clear, from Shaun's own words, that "*While I have no
 proof*...

 So when he then states as a fact, that,
 "He [Rossi] has been caught working with licensees..."

 SHAUN gets caught in an irrefutable LIE!!  A fabrication!

 What a friggin' hypocrite...

 -Mark


 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net]
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:25 PM
 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Subject: RE: [Vo]:The 1MW container is not from old footage.

 Shaun states as fact:
 "He [Rossi] has been caught working with licensees to take green family
 investor money despite saying he would never do this."

 I think I have read all the postings so far, and Shaun was specifically
 asked, I think twice, by others if there was any evidence that *Rossi*
 himself has *specifically acknowledged* that the 'licensee' in Australia was
 indeed legitimate, or had all the statements of Rossi's involvement been
 made by the licensee, and not Rossi???

 It is a real possibility that the licensee is making false statements about
 having licensed Rossi's technology for Australia, when in fact they have no
 such contract.

 So far, I have not seen any confirmation that Rossi is even aware of the
 licensee that held the investor meeting which Mr. Bryce attended.  The
 licensee stating that there was supposed to be a Skype session with Rossi is
 not proof that Rossi agreed to any such thing.  If that evidence has been
 provided, I'd appreciate it if you could please provide the link to the
 vortex posting that proves Rossi is aware of, and working with, that
 licensee...

 -Mark

RE: [Vo]:The 1MW container is not from old footage.

[Craig Brown]

It's a fact that Ampenergo have not complained about anything so I fail to see the relevance. Pure specualtion again.


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The 1MW container is not from old footage.
From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, January 23, 2012 12:07 pm
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Shaun, Picking data apart is one thing, but when you choose to state, AS A FACT, that Rossi is knowingly working with Millin, you damn well better have direct evidence (e.g., a contract with Rossi's sig, or video of Rossi interacting with Millin).I am also not clear on whether someone is taking money (or was proposing to) for Rossi or for themselves. It's pretty nasty either way but one of the ways doesn't implicate Rossi. Rossi did get money from Ampenergo --that's a fact as per an interview in NyTeknik. And it was substantial. How many other people and places he got money from, I know of no evidence about but I betcha it's many and plenty most likely. NyTeknik interview about Ampenergo:http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3179019.ece From the article: "How much do you pay for the agreement? Cassarino: Unfortunately that’s confidential. Have you paid anything to Rossi yet? Cassarino: Yes we have. How much? Cassarino: Let’s put it like this, it was an important piece of the equation. Have you searched new funding? Cassarino: Absolutely, we are in current conversations with some very large companies here in the US and South America, some investment companies, because it’s not just a technology we’re creating in the industry here. There are a lot of pieces that really need to come together to build this matrix, lots of pieces of the puzzle that need to have some strategic thinking done, as how we transition into a new energy source. That’s what makes this very exciting. So you know there’s never enough money to make everything happen.(sorry, formatting of the quote may be off and WYS is not WYG)... gmail is weird that way. If there is emphasis on "there's never enough money" it's mine.  

RE: [Vo]:The 1MW container is not from old footage.

[Craig Brown]

Having a crap website is not a guarentee of criminal or fraudulent behaviour, otherwise half the internet would be guilty.

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The 1MW container is not from old footage.
From: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, January 23, 2012 1:14 pm
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

The Amperngo website contact info does not even function, the email address listed is disabled. It is just some shell company website, pretty hokey...This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of itsrecipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:ecolog...@tellink.net  (ultimately generated fromi...@ampenergo.com) SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:ecolog...@tellink.net:  hostASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM[74.125.81.26]: 550 5.2.1 The email account that you tried to reach is disabled. xb3si2801930obb.114 On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co wrote: It's a fact that Ampenergo have not complained about anything so I fail to see the relevance. Pure specualtion again.    Original Message  Subject: Re: [Vo]:The 1MW container is not from old footage. From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com Date: Mon, January 23, 2012 12:07 pm To: vortex-l@eskimo.com  On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Shaun, Picking data apart is one thing, but when you choose to state, AS A FACT, that Rossi is knowingly working with Millin, you damn well better have direct evidence (e.g., a contract with Rossi's sig, or video of Rossi interacting with Millin).I am also not clear on whether someone is taking money (or was proposing to) for Rossi or for themselves. It's pretty nasty either way but one of the ways doesn't implicate Rossi. Rossi did get money from Ampenergo --that's a fact as per an interview in NyTeknik. And it was substantial. How many other people and places he got money from, I know of no evidence about but I betcha it's many and plenty most likely. NyTeknik interview about Ampenergo:http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3179019.ece From the article: "How much do you pay for the agreement? Cassarino: Unfortunately that’s confidential. Have you paid anything to Rossi yet? Cassarino: Yes we have. How much? Cassarino: Let’s put it like this, it was an important piece of the equation. Have you searched new funding? Cassarino: Absolutely, we are in current conversations with some very large companies here in the US and South America, some investment companies, because it’s not just a technology we’re creating in the industry here. There are a lot of pieces that really need to come together to build this matrix, lots of pieces of the puzzle that need to have some strategic thinking done, as how we transition into a new energy source. That’s what makes this very exciting. So you know there’s never enough money to make everything happen. (sorry, formatting of the quote may be off and WYS is not WYG)... gmail is weird that way. If there is emphasis on "there's never enough money" it's mine. 

RE: [Vo]:The 1MW container is not from old footage.

[Craig Brown]

Sorry, but you said it was a "shell company" and suggested it was "hokey". So that does not tend to suggest that you think it is a legitimate company. The implication here is that there is no real company behind the website.Please clarify what you meant then.


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The 1MW container is not from old footage.
From: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, January 23, 2012 1:29 pm
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

I did not say anything about fraud or criminal, you did. The site has been that way for a few months, just more absurdity from a company ready to change the world of energy... On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 10:22 PM, Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co wrote: Having a crap website is not a guarentee of criminal or fraudulent behaviour, otherwise half the internet would be guilty.   Original Message  Subject: Re: [Vo]:The 1MW container is not from old footage. From: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com Date: Mon, January 23, 2012 1:14 pm To: vortex-l@eskimo.com  The Amperngo website contact info does not even function, the email address listed is disabled. It is just some shell company website, pretty hokey...This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of itsrecipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:ecolog...@tellink.net  (ultimately generated fromi...@ampenergo.com) SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:ecolog...@tellink.net:  hostASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM[74.125.81.26]: 550 5.2.1 The email account that you tried to reach is disabled. xb3si2801930obb.114  On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co wrote: It's a fact that Ampenergo have not complained about anything so I fail to see the relevance. Pure specualtion again.    Original Message  Subject: Re: [Vo]:The 1MW container is not from old footage. From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com Date: Mon, January 23, 2012 12:07 pm To: vortex-l@eskimo.com  On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:  Shaun, Picking data apart is one thing, but when you choose to state, AS A FACT, that Rossi is knowingly working with Millin, you damn well better have direct evidence (e.g., a contract with Rossi's sig, or video of Rossi interacting with Millin).I am also not clear on whether someone is taking money (or was proposing to) for Rossi or for themselves. It's pretty nasty either way but one of the ways doesn't implicate Rossi. Rossi did get money from Ampenergo --that's a fact as per an interview in NyTeknik. And it was substantial. How many other people and places he got money from, I know of no evidence about but I betcha it's many and plenty most likely. NyTeknik interview about Ampenergo:http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3179019.ece From the article: "How much do you pay for the agreement? Cassarino: Unfortunately that’s confidential. Have you paid anything to Rossi yet? Cassarino: Yes we have. How much? Cassarino: Let’s put it like this, it was an important piece of the equation. Have you searched new funding? Cassarino: Absolutely, we are in current conversations with some very large companies here in the US and South America, some investment companies, because it’s not just a technology we’re creating in the industry here. There are a lot of pieces that really need to come together to build this matrix, lots of pieces of the puzzle that need to have some strategic thinking done, as how we transition into a new energy source. That’s what makes this very exciting. So you know there’s never enough money to make everything happen. (sorry, formatting of the quote may be off and WYS is not WYG)... gmail is weird that way. If there is emphasis on "there's never enough money" it's mine. 

RE: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own group

[Craig Brown]

In 5 years of listening to you ENDLESSLY complain about investors being ripped off and people being scammed you have been unable to point to even ONE single instance of someone who has made a complaint. You talk of victims like they are everywhere when in reality you can't point to one single investor in Rossi or Steorn who agrees with what you say.The reality is that many companies take investment money that doesn't yield a return. This is not confined simply to the world of new energy technologies.


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own
group
From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, January 23, 2012 12:22 pm
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:  I don't believe Rossi, but I do believe that Eff Vivakeef is acting beyond the pale for Vortex. "Convicted fraudster" is libel. I don't think that's libel. It may not be the whole story but you can find in several reports from mainline newspapers that Rossi was indeed convicted of fraud and sentenced to 8 years in jail. Like so many things Rossi, I can't find any discussion of any credible nature about how long he actually served in jail if any and where and when. Maybe someone can find that. Rossi was also charged with money laundering and gold smuggling in addition to the Petroldragon Affair. There was a long list of charges, some leading to convictions, some of which were repealed on appeal or on technicalities IIRC but Mr. Rossi was indeed convicted of at least one felony for fraud at least one time-- probably more.  I'm not seeing any victims of Rossi show up. Know of any?Somebody had to clean up hundreds or thousands of tons of what amounted to sewage and environmental toxins due to Rossi. It was described in the press as a major environmental catastrophe -- all due to Rossi. The DOD lost a lot of money in the TE debacle due to Rossi. None of those folks are likely to complain here. As to victims of his current caper if it's fraud? That will take a lot of time. Steorn's victims are obvious (the investors) but have not filed complaints anyone knows of to this day, about 6 years after the start. Maybe they signed clever and misleading disclaimers and decided the court battle is not worth the trouble. They were clearly defrauded though -- by public record, Steorn spent 21 million Euros in about four years. By the same records, they have made nothing which has ever been independently found to work or sold for profit to anyone anywhere ever. There were a few independent tests by fan-people and they were uniformly non supportive of the slightest claim to the so-called "technology".  Facts welcome. Libelous polemic, not. Calling Rossi a convicted felon is not libelous-- it seems to be fact.  

RE: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own group

[Craig Brown]

So basically you STILL can't point to a single complaint from a Steorn or Rossi investor. I rest my case.


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own
group
From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, January 23, 2012 2:56 pm
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

On 1/22/12, Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co wrote:
 In 5 years of listening to you ENDLESSLY complain about investors being
 ripped off and people being scammed you have been unable to point to even
 ONE single instance of someone who has made a complaint.  You talk of
 victims like they are everywhere when in reality you can't point to one
 single investor in Rossi or Steorn who agrees with what you say.

Actually, if you follow even Sterling Allan's enthusiast web site, you
see people complaining of ripoffs all the time.  Apparently even the
ever critical Jed Rothwell lost $100 to an Aussie type of guy.  And 21
million Euros went to Steorn which produced grandiose claims (need I
remind you of always works all the time, 0.5 W/cc power density,
African pumps, 550HP motors, self charging Orbos', Orbos in cell
phones, university tests, etc. etc. etc.?) and nothing else-- no
product, no sales and no independent tests except the few that failed
dismally.

Bedini sells magnetic motors that are supposed to be free energy but
always require batteries.  Dennis Lee and Jeff Otto were busted for
felonies regarding their HHO scheme, Carl Tiley is a fugitive under
indictment in Tenessee and you were thoroughly bamboozled by all of
them at the time including something as silly as Mylow's joke.

It's a bit early for Rossi's investors to complain.  Give them a bit of time.


 The reality is that many companies take investment money that doesn't yield
 a return.  This is not confined simply to the world of new energy
 technologies.

The reality is that NO investment in any free energy claim has ever
yielded a return-- it absolutely NEVER has and yet everytime a new one
comes out, people like you and Sterling Allan push them on your web
sites despite a complete absence of proper testing.   With friends
like you and Allan, Rossi needs no enemies.

RE: [Vo]:Forbes and Gibbs Garbage: NASA says Cold Fusion is Nothing Useful

[*** Craig Brown ***]

I think the question here is WHY?  Why release a video saying LENR is
looking good as a powerful replacement for conventional fossil fuels, then
when questioned about it, Zawodny tells everyone, that it's not useful and
that he's sceptical about it.

Seriously, WTF is going on at NASA?

-Original Message-
From: Ron Kita [mailto:chiralex.k...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2012 1:57 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: [Vo]:Forbes and Gibbs Garbage: NASA says Cold Fusion is Nothing
Useful

Greetings Vortex:

More Gibbs Garbage:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/01/16/cold-fusion-nasa-says-nothi
ng-useful/

Gibb is not useful.
Respectfully,
Ron Kita, Chiralex

RE: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

[*** Craig Brown ***]

Hehe...NASA seem to have touched a nerve with you Mary.  Is that the sound
of establishment dogma crumbling I can hear.

 

From: Mary Yugo [mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 13 January 2012 3:15 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:video from NASA about lenr (cold fusion)

 

You can reach the video from here:  http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/
and it's headlined like this Feature Stories: NASA's Method for a Clean
Nuclear Energy For Your Power Operated Technology

This is, well... sort of weird.  I wonder if anyone in NASA's PR department
or higher management has seen it.  First of all, the production values are
lousy.  It looks as if it was shot with a cheap web cam.  It features
Zawodny who is mostly out of focus during his strange, hesitant talk which
is hard enough to understand, it's subtitled!They talk about an un-named
fuel of some sort which is unchanged in mass by the reaction which is
basically unexplained.  They don't say where the excess heat is from.  They
keep referring to this fuel as it.  And they only say somehow carbon,
nickel and hydrogen are involved.  The rest is the usual obvious and
irrelevant comments about how inexpensive thermal energy can be used.
Everybody already knows that.

As Angus wrote on the Moletrap forum:  Oh goodie. Another we're looking
at it, and if we can get it to work it could heat your house and do other
wonderful things video.  There's nothing new about the idea of using
surface plasmons to bung neutrons into atomic nuclei. NASA has been looking
at it since 2005 http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006cmns...12..156C . So
far nobody's house is getting heated.  I might add nobody has made a cup of
tea with it either.

Craig Brown, still, amazingly enough, a Steorn believer, is promoting this
clip as a breakthrough.  It's nothing of the kind.  There is no real theory
presented, there is no experiment, and there are no results.  I am
disappointed that NASA would air such a contentless clip.  I have no idea
what they're thinking.

RE: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if e-cat work as claimed by rossi

[Craig Brown]

Agreed. I emailed this guy and told him exactly what I thought of his report. It's so full of ridicule and innacurate information that no wonder ordinary folks can't get behind LENR. If you look back at his previous articles he's the closed minded type. Probably has a subscription to Bob Park and James Randi.Grrr...


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Dick Smith will give to the charity group $200,000 if
e-cat work as claimed by rossi
From: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, January 13, 2012 10:00 am
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

What a wanker report
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/12/smith_offers_ecat_prize/
The only BS is that from this publication.

[Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

[Craig Brown]

Rossi's behaviour with regards to blocking independent testing is explained by the fact that he's sitting on potentially the world's most valuable IP and doesn't have a US or European patent yet. There is no need for the pseudosceptics to look for conspiracy theories.

[Vo]: ECAT With 3 Cores Would Have Been Convincing

[Craig Brown]

There are only a small handful of what I would fairly term "sceptics" left in the world. The rest who display a clear establishment bias have an agenda to derail and mock legitimate LENR research. MaryYugo as a prime example.


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]: ECAT With 3 Cores Would Have Been Convincing
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, November 18, 2011 2:16 pm
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

 If the skeptics are right, we are saved, still!

And, thank G-d, we did not have to violate any thermodynamic laws.  PTL!

T

[Vo]: UK's DECC Monitoring the sector (LENR)

[Craig Brown]

I recently contacted DECC (UK equivalent of DoE) to get their view on what they thought about the ecat, and to see if they had even heard of it. I got quite an interesting reply. Trigger for "further action" is an interesting phrase."DECC
 is aware of this alleged power source: the DECC CSA, David MacKay FRS, 
has read some of the literature and has met Sven Kulander, who has 
reviewed an experiment and whose report is on the Defkalion website. The
 CSA's judgment is that it is appropriate for DECC to maintain a watch 
on this sector, with the key trigger for further action being the 
publication of the work in a reputable peer-refereed journal, including 
full details so that academic scientists can replicate the results."

Yours 
sincerely, 
Sandra
 BembridgeDECC Correspondence Unit   

RE: [Vo]: ECAT With 3 Cores Would Have Been Convincing

[Craig Brown]

Pseudosceptics is a better term to be honest. The ones who dispaly bizarre behaviour. Like how they are obsessed with protecting the financial interests of investers whom they've never met and are overtly concerned with saving us all from investing in controversial and exotic energy technologies.Mentioning Pink Invisible Flying Unicorns and a liberal sprinkling of references to James Randi, Carl Tilley etc etc, blah blah blah...


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]: ECAT With 3 Cores Would Have Been Convincing
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, November 18, 2011 2:44 pm
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co wrote:

 There are only a small handful of what I would fairly term "sceptics" left
 in the world. The rest who display a clear establishment bias have an
 agenda to derail and mock legitimate LENR research. MaryYugo as a prime
 example.

I think some people actually fear such a dramatic change to their world view.

"She's a witch!"

"How do you know she's a witch?"

"She turned me into a newt . . . I got better."

"Burn her!"

T

RE: [Vo]: UK's DECC Monitoring the sector (LENR)

[Craig Brown]

I never said they DID believe Rossi. This has nothing to do with Rossi, "this sector" refers to LENR in general where Rossi is only one of a growing number of people with interesting and commercially useful results.Mary, you can try and spin their statement any way you like, but it's very clear. Their Chief Scientific Advisor has just admittted that "it is 
appropriate for DECC to maintain a watch on this sector". Their words, not mine. If you are having difficulty in accepting the fact that LENR is now moving slowly into mainstream acceptance by gov agencies then just say so.


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]: UK's DECC "Monitoring the sector" (LENR)
From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, November 18, 2011 2:53 pm
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co wrote: I recently contacted DECC (UK equivalent of DoE) to get their view on what they thought about the ecat, and to see if they had even heard of it. I got quite an interesting reply. Trigger for "further action" is an interesting phrase.  "DECC is aware of this alleged power source: the DECC CSA, David MacKay FRS, has read some of the literature and has met Sven Kulander, who has reviewed an experiment and whose report is on the Defkalion website. The CSA's judgment is that it is appropriate for DECC to maintain a watch on this sector, with the key trigger for further action being the publication of the work in a reputable peer-refereed journal, including full details so that academic scientists can replicate the results." SNIPIn other words, they don't believe Rossi either, on the evidence that he's provided.  

RE: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade

[Craig Brown]

I see Krivit (like everyone else who screams scam) is rather short on detail on how the supposed scam is ACTUALLY supposed to work. A scam where you spend all your own money, sell your house, conduct 5 public demos where no-one notices anything, produce graphs of genius, get professors to agree to be in on the scam, bribe NATO engineers and overnight become the world's best actor, not to mention becoming a master of hiding one's own body language. That's quite a scam he's got going there.It's also ironic how Krivit has disabled comments on his blog thereby denying readers the ability to challenge him. Thats bad journalism in it's own right, the VERY THING he's so eager to point out as a fault with everyone else!Can't Krivit just admit that he's bitter about Rossi calling him a snake and be done with it?


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade
From: Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com
Date: Thu, November 10, 2011 11:01 am
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Poor Journalism by Fox News on Rossi Story
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/09/poor-journalism-by-fox-news-on-rossi-story/;

Poor Journalism by Physorg on Rossi Story
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/09/poor-journalism-by-physorg-on-rossi-story/;

Poor Journalism by Wired U.K. on Rossi Story
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/09/poor-journalism-by-wired-u-k-on-rossi-story/;

Gee ... was the MSNBC article OK ?

RE: [Vo]:AP Journalist Response - Supression Of eCat Coverage

[*** Craig Brown ***]

Jouni,

 

He has more exclusive material than you can shake a stick at – and a full day 
to cover the events properly.

“Words and claims” for UFOs, Yeti and the Loch Ness Monster still get good 
coverage on the newswires, so I don’t see how this is any different. In fact, 
it’s far more credible in the light of the fact it’s been seen by quite a few 
respected individuals from academia.

This “spiking” of an eCat story is not the first instance of this.  I have 
heard other accounts of stories about the eCat that made it all the way to the 
editor and then mysteriously were killed at the last moment.

 

 

 

Craig, I think that Peter is in very difficult situation, because If Andrea did 
not provide him any exclusive material, then there is nothing to write. There 
is just words and claims but those have zero scientific relevance. 

  —Jouni

tiistai, 1. marraskuuta 2011 Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co kirjoitti:

 I Tweeted PeterSvensson (the AP journalist who attended the 1MW test) to 
 ask why AP what exactly had happened to the news report?
 The response was Sorry, there's nothing I can say at this point.
 Today I recieved some more worrying information from a concerned member of 
 the public.  He had emailed Kit Frieden and recieved the following response - 
 I’m sorry, but the AP doesn’t discuss its coverage plans with people outside 
 the organization.
 I hate to say suppression, but when it looks like a dog, and barks like a 
 dog, it's a dog.
 Craig
 Free Energy Truth

 

[Vo]:AP Journalist Response - Supression Of eCat Coverage

[Craig Brown]

I "Tweeted" PeterSvensson (the AP journalist 
who attended the 1MW test) to ask why AP what exactly had happened to 
the news report?The response was "Sorry, 
there's nothing I can say at this point".Today
 I recieved some more worrying information from a concerned member of 
the public. He had emailed Kit Frieden and recieved the following 
response - "I’m sorry, but the AP doesn’t discuss its 
coverage plans with people outside the organization."I hate to say suppression, 
but when it looks like a dog, and barks like a dog, it's a dog.CraigFree Energy Truth

[Vo]:Rossi's customer

[Craig Brown]

Just an update that I have had no responses from the 3 senior GE Press people I emailed yesterday. I had asked them if they could comment on whether GE had any involvement with Andrea Rossi or his eCat technology.CraigFree Energy Truth