Re: [Vo]:New book from Steve Krivit

[Terry Blanton]

If it's a new book, why are the reviews dated 2017?  And "John
Smith"...siriusly?

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 3:45 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

> Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> See: Fusion Fiasco, by Steve Krivit
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N2TDWIY
>
> "draw on formerly inaccessible archives"
>
>
>
> Anyone know the details about these "archives" ?
>
> Sounds like reason enough to order the Kindle version, which I did but
> cannot get to it for a few hours.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Re: Lattice Confinement Fusion

[Terry Blanton]

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 12:39 PM CB Sites  wrote:

> Any ideas as to why they chose Erbium for the host metal?
>

I can think of one reason:

 Palladium 2,197.00 USD per Troy Ounce
Platinum962.50 USD per Troy Ounce

Erbium $650 per kilogram!

[Vo]:Re: Lattice Confinement Fusion

[Terry Blanton]

Direct link to quote:

https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/space/science/lattice-confinement-fusion/

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 11:04 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> "NASA Detects Lattice Confinement Fusion
>
> A team of NASA researchers seeking a new energy source for deep-space
> exploration missions, recently revealed a method for triggering nuclear
> fusion in the space between the atoms of a metal solid."
>
> https://e-catworld.com/2020/08/15/nasa-lattice-confinement-fusion/
>
> What a brilliant idea!  I wonder why no one else thought of it?
>
> ;)
>

[Vo]:Lattice Confinement Fusion

[Terry Blanton]

"NASA Detects Lattice Confinement Fusion

A team of NASA researchers seeking a new energy source for deep-space
exploration missions, recently revealed a method for triggering nuclear
fusion in the space between the atoms of a metal solid."

https://e-catworld.com/2020/08/15/nasa-lattice-confinement-fusion/

What a brilliant idea!  I wonder why no one else thought of it?

;)

Re: [Vo]:Sturm et Drang

[Terry Blanton]

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 1:06 PM William Beaty  wrote:

> I found that Ruby has her own LENR forum!

Check out her vids...including Ed

https://youtu.be/SNodilc6su0

>   - "Forget it Jake.   It's Chinatown"

  -" What I do for a living may not be very reputable... but I am. In this
town I'm the leper with the most fingers."

Same guy in "The Two Jakes" 1990

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion graphic novel

[Terry Blanton]

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 3:04 AM William Beaty  wrote:
>
>
> They've found a publisher.  No price as yet.  Coming soon...
>
>Discover Cold Fusion  (w/Matt Howarth art.)
>https://www.curtis-press.com/coming-soon/

Ruby is a gem!

Hopefully it will get published this year to "honor" the passing of the
author of *Voodoo Science*.

Tanks, Bill!  I wasn't aware of that.

Re: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

[Terry Blanton]

Safe

   - Emrod uses beams in the ISM (Industrial, Scientific, and Medical) band
   with frequencies commonly used in WiFi, Bluetooth, and RfID.
   - Point-to-Point transmission means that power is beamed directly
   between two points. There is no radiation around the beam, as there is with
   high voltage wire transmission.
   - Low power laser safety curtain ensures that the transmission beam
   immediately shuts down before any transient object (such as a bird or
   helicopter) can reach the main beam ensuring it never touches anything
   except clean air.
   - Reduces electrocution risk associated with wires



https://emrod.energy/wireless-power/

>

Re: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

[Terry Blanton]

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 4:28 PM Michael Foster  wrote:
...
> Similar methods have been proposed to send power to earth from orbiting
solar cell arrays, and probably just as impractical.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/9/x-37b-space-planes-microwave-power-beam-experiment-is-a-way-bigger-deal-than-it-seems

Re: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

[Terry Blanton]

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 2:13 PM Michael Foster  wrote:

> I read this article. Don't you find it more than a little annoying that
> Mr. Tesla is nowhere mentioned?
>

Hell yes!  I bet they can't even spell Wardencliff! 

Don't need copper if everyone roofed their house with solar shingles!

Cheers!

Re: [Vo]:Antivirus Wetware

[Terry Blanton]

Tired of waiting?  Make your own vaccine:  https://radvac.org/white-paper/

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:22 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> If we were as vulnerable to virus as many believe, humanity would not have
> survived as long as we have.  Other than antibodies, we have developed
> other defenses over the eons.  This article:
>
>
> https://www.bath.ac.uk/announcements/we-are-mutating-sars-cov-2-but-it-is-evolving-back/
>
>
> describes how humans weaken a virus over time.  Indeed, along with good
> quarentining (preventing the survival of more fit mutations), the SARS
> virus was taken down in this manner.  Antibody stimulating vaccines are
> good; but, attacking that one thing which makes the virus our enemy, its
> RNA, is better.
>

[Vo]:Antivirus Wetware

[Terry Blanton]

If we were as vulnerable to virus as many believe, humanity would not have
survived as long as we have.  Other than antibodies, we have developed
other defenses over the eons.  This article:

https://www.bath.ac.uk/announcements/we-are-mutating-sars-cov-2-but-it-is-evolving-back/


describes how humans weaken a virus over time.  Indeed, along with good
quarentining (preventing the survival of more fit mutations), the SARS
virus was taken down in this manner.  Antibody stimulating vaccines are
good; but, attacking that one thing which makes the virus our enemy, its
RNA, is better.

Re: [Vo]:ThomasGas - is it just another alternative energy scam ?

[Terry Blanton]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 9:57 AM Jones Beene  wrote:
>
> This turned up today - a "new" hydrogen based fuel... shades of Brown's
Gas ?
>
> https://thomasinstitute.weebly.com/

Very interesting, Mr. Beene.  I filled out the contact information and will
let you know if I hear from them.

I must admit that I am suspicious since the domain

thomasinstitute.net

is available but they chose to use weebly.com, a low cost service
provider.  Further research is warranted.  Did you check out the article
they referenced:

https://phys.org/news/2020-07-liquid-hydrogen-oxygen-molecules.html

Considering the energy densities envolved, it looks more like HP than dense
H2.

Thanks, Jones.

Re: [Vo]:what do you think of Goodenouh's self charging batterY?

[Terry Blanton]

Personally, I don't think it's good enough.

Really, I think it's a long way from producibility.

>
>

Re: [Vo]:prevents COVID deaths...

[Terry Blanton]

Great stuff!  Thanks, Bill.  I saw this on reddit while I was researching
unclebens 

Very happy to see you're alive and well.  I could have sworn I saw you on
TV at CHAZ/CHOP one night.

Stay safe!  Cheers!

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 6:04 PM William Beaty  wrote:

>
> Apparently ignored treatment, doesn't impact COVID-19 virus, only prevents
> death from cytokine lung-destruction.  Unfortunately it involves a recent
> (2007) breakthrough, and they used the taboo word "vitamin C," so it's
> being ignored.
>
> Modified H.A.T. treatment for ARDS called "M.A.T.H+"
>
>   "The systematic use of the MATH+ protocol in 2 hospitals in the USA has
>reduced the hospital mortality from COVID-19 to approximately 3.5%
>
>June 8
>
> https://medium.com/@joyce.kamen/no-one-told-them-how-to-save-themselves-the-covid19-tragedy-that-didnt-have-to-happen-722dbace50f9
>
>
> https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf
>
>http://evms.edu/covidcare
>
>https://www.evms.edu/directory/profiles/paul-e-marik.php
>
> "Most of the physicians in the group had already been using a version of
> Dr. Marik's "HAT" protocol (developed for sepsis) to treat their
> critically ill Covid19 patients. The "HAT" protocol includes Heparin,
> Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C) and Thiamine. But by including Methyl-
> prednisolone in the cocktail they gave to patients to combat the hyper-
> inflammation that can occur in the lungs during the advanced, critical
> phases of Covid19, they found that it was saving the lives of their
> patients who were started on it within 6 hours of entering the ER. It
> saved most of them from having to go into the ICU, from being placed on
> ventilators - and from dying."
>
>
>   (Note that this is the steroid Hydrocortisone (or Methylprednisolone,)
>NOT Donald Trump's "Hydroxychloroquine.")
>
>
>  ( (  (   ((O))   )  ) ) 
> William J. Beaty https://electricatechnology.com
> beatywj,gmail.com   CTO, Inventor, Research Engineer
> billb,amasci.
> 206-762-3818 vm 5459 Wilkinson Rd, Langley, WA 98260-8700
>
>

Re: [Vo]: CoV-19 news

[Terry Blanton]

I picked the wrong decade to quit drinking.  :)

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:17 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

> In Lodi, they recommend 200 mg pycnogenol washed down with a glass of good
> Zin ... 6 times per day
>
> This may not offer a complete cure but who cares? it will definitely
> mitigate many of the symptoms ;-)
>
>
> Terry Blanton wrote:
>
> > Here is a good Italian survey of in vitro results which offer a
> promising category of nutritional options (polyphenols) ...
>
> An apple a daywith covfefe.
>
> From wikipedia:
>
> *Many foods in a healthy diet contain high levels of naturally occurring
> phenols
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturally_occurring_phenols#Content_in_human_food>
>  in
> fruits, vegetables, cereals, tea and coffee. Fruits like grapes, apple,
> pear, cherries and berries contain up to 200–300 mg polyphenols per 100
> grams fresh weight. The products manufactured from these fruits also
> contain polyphenols in significant amounts. Typically a glass of red wine
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_wine> or a cup of tea or coffee contains
> about 100 mg polyphenols.[4]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphenol#cite_note-4>  *
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]: CoV-19 news

[Terry Blanton]

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:21 PM JonesBeene  wrote:
> Here is a good Italian survey of in vitro results which offer a promising
category of nutritional options (polyphenols) ...

An apple a daywith covfefe.

>From wikipedia:

*Many foods in a healthy diet contain high levels of naturally occurring
phenols

in
fruits, vegetables, cereals, tea and coffee. Fruits like grapes, apple,
pear, cherries and berries contain up to 200–300 mg polyphenols per 100
grams fresh weight. The products manufactured from these fruits also
contain polyphenols in significant amounts. Typically a glass of red wine
 or a cup of tea or coffee contains
about 100 mg polyphenols.[4]
  *

Re: [Vo]:Robert Park died

[Terry Blanton]

I think Bob suffered from cognitive dissonance.  I trust he is cured.

Re: [Vo]:Robert Park died

[Terry Blanton]

I used to love his newsletter.

https://www.facebook.com/whatsnewbobpark/

)f course the magazine lives on:

https://skepticalinquirer.org//

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 1:27 PM Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Robert Park died April 29, 2020, age 89.
>

Re: [Vo]:anyone know this guy

[Terry Blanton]

I think he was Robert Anton Wilsons's brother by another mother.

On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 1:31 PM Che  wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 9:54 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
>> Quite eclectic.  Exited 18 yrs ago.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_C._Sutton
>>
>
>
> I heard this recurrent anti-communist message just literally yesterday.
> It's regular John Bircher, et al. propaganda.
>
> -- grok.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 9:44 PM Frank Znidarsic 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Cold-Fusion-Secret-Energy-Revolution-ebook/dp/B01EK2KT7W/ref=pd_rhf_ee_p_img_1?_encoding=UTF8=1=SD3YKFP6FATDTSC7TK0S
>>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:anyone know this guy

[Terry Blanton]

Quite eclectic.  Exited 18 yrs ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_C._Sutton

On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 9:44 PM Frank Znidarsic  wrote:

>
> https://www.amazon.com/Cold-Fusion-Secret-Energy-Revolution-ebook/dp/B01EK2KT7W/ref=pd_rhf_ee_p_img_1?_encoding=UTF8=1=SD3YKFP6FATDTSC7TK0S
>

Re: [Vo]:what ever happened with this?

[Terry Blanton]

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 2:37 PM Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> How *are* things in the e-cat world?
>>
>
> No idea. I have looked in months.
>

Okaaay.  Well, Happy Juneteenth and have a great weekend!

Re: [Vo]:what ever happened with this?

[Terry Blanton]

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 1:13 PM Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Yup . . . So says Mr. Google. So said I!
>
>
https://e-catworld.com/2020/01/11/us-congress-charges-national-science-foundation-to-evaluate-lenr-research-and-make-recommendations/


You posted that in e-catworld and not here?  Shame on you, Jed.  :)

How *are* things in the e-cat world?

Cheers!

Re: [Vo]:what ever happened with this?

[Terry Blanton]

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 12:38 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 10:40 AM bobxook39...@hotmail.com <
> bobxook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Frank—
>>
>>
>>
>> Is ther a link to the House Report you note?
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Xook
>>
>
> Hi, Mr. Xook:  I'm not Frank; but, you can look here:
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg01635.html
>

For some reason, the hard links don't seem to work today; so, here it is on
Jed's site:

https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DOEreportofth.pdf

Thanks for keeping the site up, Jed.

Cheers!

Re: [Vo]:what ever happened with this?

[Terry Blanton]

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 10:40 AM bobxook39...@hotmail.com <
bobxook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Frank—
>
>
>
> Is ther a link to the House Report you note?
>
>
>
> Bob Xook
>

Hi, Mr. Xook:  I'm not Frank; but, you can look here:

https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg01635.html

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

[Terry Blanton]

Yes, the Cincinnati group.  Thanks.  I couldn't recall their name.  Your
memory is better than mine, old Beene.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 4:16 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

> I have a vague memory of it but not the details. There was a lot of
> disinformation about the exploits of the Cincinnati Group.
>
> Last I heard Keith is still at it and has a new project but that list
> folded.
>
>
>
> Terry Blanton wrote:
>
> Wow.  Okay, firing up the wayback machine...
>
> I vaguely recall that Keith Nagel was doing some research along those
> lines.  Maybe Jones remembers.  I think Beene participated in Nagel's
> NewCandle list where they did some research along those lines.
>
>  Nicholas Palmer wrote:
>
> Hi Terry,
>
> I think it was Chris T or Jed R who pointed me towards Vortex way back
> when. While we're reminiscing, I wonder if you might be able to clear up
> something? I met Chris at his house not that long before he died and he
> showed me something he was working on, which was the ' tile burn'
> experiment from the 'Cincinnati group' He showed me a kitchen tile with a
> 1cm diameter hole burned right through it and said it was amazing to watch
> it 'light up' when only 30 watts or so was used with a secret sauce. I
> subsequently found out that the important or only ingredient was zirconium.
> I had asked Chris at the time if aluminium powder might be part of the
> 'sauce' and he looked angry. I note that powdered zirconium can be used in
> old style flash bulbs and pyrotechnics. Do you know if anything came of it?
>
> Nick Palmer
>
>

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

[Terry Blanton]

Wow.  Okay, firing up the wayback machine...

I vaguely recall that Keith Nagel was doing some research along those
lines.  Maybe Jones remembers.  I think Beene participated in Nagel's
NewCandle list where they did some research along those lines.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:50 PM Nicholas Palmer <
greendirectionconsult...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi Terry,
>
> I think it was Chris T or Jed R who pointed me towards Vortex way back
> when. While we're reminiscing, I wonder if you might be able to clear up
> something? I met Chris at his house not that long before he died and he
> showed me something he was working on, which was the ' tile burn'
> experiment from the 'Cincinnati group' He showed me a kitchen tile with a
> 1cm diameter hole burned right through it and said it was amazing to watch
> it 'light up' when only 30 watts or so was used with a secret sauce. I
> subsequently found out that the important or only ingredient was zirconium.
> I had asked Chris at the time if aluminium powder might be part of the
> 'sauce' and he looked angry. I note that powdered zirconium can be used in
> old style flash bulbs and pyrotechnics. Do you know if anything came of it?
>
> Nick Palmer
>
> On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it
>
>
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 at 05:08, Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:51 PM Terry Blanton 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:46 PM Robin 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So if an insult was intended, none taken. :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, Donk was my favorite character in "Crocodile Dundee".  Reminded me
>>> of my uncle.
>>>
>>
>> I joined this list over 2 decades ago at the encouragement of Chris
>> Tinsley, who I met on the MUFON forum of CompuServe where I was a moderator
>> and investigator for the Mutual UFO Network.  He encouraged me to join;
>> whereby, I could ask questions of Hal Puthoff directly since he
>> participated on Vortex at the time.  Chris also introduced me to Eugene
>> Mallove, another UFO fan; although, a bit more reserved than Chris.
>>
>> Dr. Puthoff was very approachable and even open to answering questions
>> about his involvement in Remote Viewing research among other things.
>> Little did I know (not a reference to Scott :) that Chris got me here
>> because I was skeptical of Cold Fusion and I learned the truth on the forum.
>>
>> Back then, the forum was fun with literally hundred of posts per week and
>> a lot of jovial posts along with the science.
>>
>> So, no harm intended Robin.  It's just that I've wasted a lot of time on
>> Randell Mills while the power industry has wasted a lot of money.  Pity
>> that kind of money did not go to Fleischmann and Pons back in the day.
>> But, hey, it was not meant to be.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

[Terry Blanton]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:51 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:46 PM Robin 
> wrote:
>
>> So if an insult was intended, none taken. :)
>>
>
> No, Donk was my favorite character in "Crocodile Dundee".  Reminded me of
> my uncle.
>

I joined this list over 2 decades ago at the encouragement of Chris
Tinsley, who I met on the MUFON forum of CompuServe where I was a moderator
and investigator for the Mutual UFO Network.  He encouraged me to join;
whereby, I could ask questions of Hal Puthoff directly since he
participated on Vortex at the time.  Chris also introduced me to Eugene
Mallove, another UFO fan; although, a bit more reserved than Chris.

Dr. Puthoff was very approachable and even open to answering questions
about his involvement in Remote Viewing research among other things.
Little did I know (not a reference to Scott :) that Chris got me here
because I was skeptical of Cold Fusion and I learned the truth on the forum.

Back then, the forum was fun with literally hundred of posts per week and a
lot of jovial posts along with the science.

So, no harm intended Robin.  It's just that I've wasted a lot of time on
Randell Mills while the power industry has wasted a lot of money.  Pity
that kind of money did not go to Fleischmann and Pons back in the day.
But, hey, it was not meant to be.

Cheers!

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

[Terry Blanton]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:46 PM Robin 
wrote:

> So if an insult was intended, none taken. :)
>

No, Donk was my favorite character in "Crocodile Dundee".  Reminded me of
my uncle.

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

[Terry Blanton]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:56 PM Robin 
wrote:
>
> In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Tue, 16 Jun 2020 19:32:13 -0400:
> Hi Terry,
> [snip]
> >Quick, name 5 compounds that are *not* hydrino catalysts.  Are you sure?
> > ?
> I can't be sure of any of them, but what does that prove?

Sorry, Donk.  Just my sick, cynical humor that no one gets.  I've been
waiting decades on 3 things, a cold fusion generator, any working
commercial device from Randell and aliens to land on the White House lawn.

Honestly, I've been waiting longer on the aliens; but, I'm beginning to
think THAT might actually HAPPEN before I die.

Cheers!

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

[Terry Blanton]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 5:59 PM Robin 
wrote:

> In reply to  Michael Foster's message of Tue, 16 Jun 2020 21:11:40 +
> (UTC):
> Hi,
>
> When Hydrogen and Chlorine burn, they react in a series of reactions like
> this:-
>
> Cl + H2 -> HCl + H
> H + CL2 -> HCl + Cl
>
> Both H & Cl are free radicals.
>
> Both steps produce HCl molecules, and the first step produces copious
> amounts of H atoms. According to Mills, HCl can be
> a catalyst.
>

Quick, name 5 compounds that are *not* hydrino catalysts.  Are you sure?
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Re: [Vo]:Orchestrated Objective Reduction

[Terry Blanton]

For the record, Lazar's Corvette with hydride storage for the ICE engine.

https://youtu.be/Ytg23mDd1a4

>

Re: [Vo]:Orchestrated Objective Reduction

[Terry Blanton]

Oh, and I have been hoping for hydrogen hype for three decades now.  So far
we are just as likely to have warp drive powered by di-lithium.

Re: [Vo]:Orchestrated Objective Reduction

[Terry Blanton]

Hmmm, I guess my humor is unclear...you spelled 'Nikola' as 'Nicola'.

However, I will give you partial credit for bringing the thread back on
topic with your Orch OR analogue.

On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 1:17 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

> Given the incredible track record of the guy - I would not want to be on
> the opposite side of any argument with Elon... and he is strongly critical
> of the potential of H2 in transportation.
>
> But that relates only to fuel cells and he is probably correct on that
> point. However, the one (huge) tech which he could be overlooking is the
> possibility that H2 could be used in one of the shrunken orbital methods -
> Mills, Holmlid, etc.
>
> When used in a fuel cell - H2 can return something in the range of 1 eV
> per atom net power. The potential is much more favorable if Rydberg or
> similar power levels become available viable catalyzed shrinkage, which...
> come to think of it... could be a semantic version of "Orchestrated
> Objective Reduction"... as in hydrogen orbital reduction...
>
>
> Elon Musk Mocks Nikola’s Hydrogen Cars, Explains Why Fuel Cells Won’t Work
> <https://observer.com/2020/06/tesla-elon-musk-mocks-nikola-hydrogen-fuel-cell-electric-vehicle/>
>
> Elon Musk Mocks Nikola’s Hydrogen Cars, Explains Why Fuel Cells Won’t Work
>
> Sissi Cao
>
> “Fuel cells=fool sells,” Musk tweeted.
>
> <https://observer.com/2020/06/tesla-elon-musk-mocks-nikola-hydrogen-fuel-cell-electric-vehicle/>
>
>
> Terry Blanton wrote:
>
> > However, I cannot forgive you for disgracing the name of the best
> immigrant scientist of the last millennium, NiKola Tesla...Nikolamotor.com
> and Toyota really want the fuel cell tech to work.  Even Germany is banking
> on H2 for the future; but, frankly Scarlett...wait...that's no longer
> allowed...I gave up on hydrogen when Bob Lazar's modified Vette's valves
> suffered embrittlement.
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Orchestrated Objective Reduction

[Terry Blanton]

On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 11:08 AM Jones Beene  wrote:

> OK in a world where paper companies with much less to offer (Nicola Motors
> for instance) can raise billions on a worthless IPO, then the sorry record
> of Mills is not such a scandal. Just a major disappointment.
>

Back in the day, I would accuse you of hijacking my thread; but,
considering that this is the ONLY active thread on Vortex, a formerly
whirlwind list, you are forgiven.

However, I cannot forgive you for disgracing the name of the best immigrant
scientist of the last millennium, NiKola Tesla.

Nikolamotor.com and Toyota really want the fuel cell tech to work.  Even
Germany is banking on H2 for the future; but, frankly
Scarlett...wait...that's no longer allowed...I gave up on hydrogen when Bob
Lazar's modified Vette's valves suffered embrittlement.

It's hell having a good memory.  Where's the dementia the good Dr. D
promised? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Demento

Re: Re [Vo]:Pictures of debris from the Roswell Crash Site

[Terry Blanton]

On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 5:48 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

>
> This is not to suggest that the artifact isn't of extraterrestrial
> origin...
>

Thanks, Jones...I didn't want to say anything; but, it did look awfully
familiar...not at all like Art's Parts.  

Re: [Vo]:Orchestrated Objective Reduction

[Terry Blanton]

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:33 PM Robin 
wrote:

> In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Wed, 3 Jun 2020 20:30:34 + (UTC):
> Hi Jones,
> [snip]
> > I think these guys are positioned to get to market ahead of anyone else
> who is trying to commercialize dense hydrogen.
> >
> >http://www.norrontfusion.com/
> >
> I'm not so sure about that.
>

Hot fusion companies are a dime-a-dozen these days:

https://www.hb11.energy/

And whatever happened to Lockmart's CFR?


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Re: [Vo]:Orchestrated Objective Reduction

[Terry Blanton]

Just one word:  Thorium.  :)

https://youtu.be/PSxihhBzCjk?t=32

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 1:48 PM Bob Higgins  wrote:

> This would be a good question to pose to Jed Rothwell.  Jed has
> studied and written much about the energy landscape - history & present -
> and probably has a lot to say about the future.  He monitors this list.
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 11:05 AM Ken Deboer  wrote:
>
>> I have an open-ended question for this group, which I have great
>> admiration for. I'm a biologist and am writing a book on, especially, the
>> population problem. One of the chapters is on energy, mainly from the
>> viewpoint of future energy sources. The only one I am at all even partly
>> able to judge fairly is biomass, and to some extent solar, wind and similar
>> 'standard' ones. I am helpless about nuclear, and like Daniel Yergin in
>> "Quest" dont say much about it. What do y'all see as real possibilities in
>> 50 years? regards, ken deboer
>>
>>>

Fwd: [Vo]:Orchestrated Objective Reduction

[Terry Blanton]

Thanks for the update!  I hope Jack is in good health.  He should be
around  80 yrs.

Did anyone on the current Vort list participate in the Quantum Mind forum
at the University of Arizona in the early 90's.  Not long ago, that list
was available still and I intended to d/l it; however, I can no longer find
it.  

Those were fun times, including the summer Sarfatti invited Shipov to
California to discuss torsion fizzicks!  :)

Cheers!

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:45 AM ROGER ANDERTON 
wrote:

> History of it is alternative physics.
>
> Mainstream physics based on ignoring Einstein's search for unified field
> theory (UFT).
>
> But this alternative physics is built on it.
>
> Bohm was student of Einstein taking up UFT research. But Bohm ran into
> problems of being called a communist and ran foul of McCarthy Witch hunt.
> Similarly, Bohm's student Vigier ran into same sort of problem.
>
> Vigier Conferences named after physicist Vigier known as "The Heretic of
> France".
>
> Latest problem being looked at seems to be: the failure of Einstein's
> Equivalence Principle et al. When heat an object by E=mc2 would expect its
> mass to increase, but the opposite seems to happen. Paper abstract for this
> year's presentation at: http://www.noeticadvancedstudies.us/LoXII.pdf
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 31 May 2020, 16:27:35 BST, ROGER ANDERTON <
> r.j.ander...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
> many of them now go to Vigier Conferences, this year's organization of
> conference messed up by covid19
>
>
> Vigier 12 <http://www.noeticadvancedstudies.us/index12.html>
>
> Vigier 12
>
> <http://www.noeticadvancedstudies.us/index12.html>
> I video many of the talks.
>
> I think main theory being promoted (at moment) is Rowland's theory, talk
> by Michael Houlden:
>
>
>
> Michael Houlden talk on Rowlands' theory
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5sIV5lgW00=youtu.be>
>
> Michael Houlden talk on Rowlands' theory
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5sIV5lgW00=youtu.be>
>
> Sarfatti hasn't been to Vigier Conference in ages.
>
>
> There is also ANPA Conference:
>
>
> Alternative Natural Philosophy Association - Alternative Natural
> Philosophy Association <http://anpa.onl/>
>
> Alternative Natural Philosophy Association - Alternative Natural Philoso...
>
> Alternative Natural Philosophy Association
> <http://anpa.onl/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 31 May 2020, 16:17:39 BST, Terry Blanton 
> wrote:
>
>
> I'll answer for Jonesie.
>
> It's a bit older than that:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_Fysiks_Group
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:09 AM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
> bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jones—
>
>
>
> Is the  Fysics group you referenced the one that Allen Smith at LENR Forum
> organized?
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
>
> *From: *Jones Beene 
> *Sent: *Saturday, May 30, 2020 10:53 AM
> *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Orchestrated Objective Reduction
>
>
>
> all the members of the "Fundamental Fysiks Group" [sic] reportedly merged
> into a single quantum entangled meme...
>
>
>
>
>
> Terry Blanton wrote:
>
>
>
> ...and what ever happened to Jack Sarfatti?  :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Orchestrated Objective Reduction

[Terry Blanton]

I'll answer for Jonesie.

It's a bit older than that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_Fysiks_Group

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:09 AM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Jones—
>
>
>
> Is the  Fysics group you referenced the one that Allen Smith at LENR Forum
> organized?
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
>
> *From: *Jones Beene 
> *Sent: *Saturday, May 30, 2020 10:53 AM
> *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Orchestrated Objective Reduction
>
>
>
> all the members of the "Fundamental Fysiks Group" [sic] reportedly merged
> into a single quantum entangled meme...
>
>
>
>
>
> Terry Blanton wrote:
>
>
>
> ...and what ever happened to Jack Sarfatti?  :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Orchestrated Objective Reduction

[Terry Blanton]

...and what ever happened to Jack Sarfatti?  :)

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 12:56 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> But likely not...
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188
> from 2014.
>
> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 12:54 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
>> Might have taken a hit..
>>
>> Dr. Hameroff will be pleased.
>>
>> *Anesthesia's effect on consciousness solved, settling century-old
>> scientific debate*
>>
>>
>> https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-anesthesia-effect-consciousness-century-old-scientific.html
>>
>> Temporary exposure to anesthesia causes the lipid clusters to move from
>> an ordered state, to a disordered one, and then back again, leading to a
>> multitude of subsequent effects that ultimately cause changes in
>> consciousness.
>>
>>
>> or not  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188
>> (2014)
>> <https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188>
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Orchestrated Objective Reduction

[Terry Blanton]

But likely not...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188from
2014.

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 12:54 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> Might have taken a hit..
>
> Dr. Hameroff will be pleased.
>
> *Anesthesia's effect on consciousness solved, settling century-old
> scientific debate*
>
>
> https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-anesthesia-effect-consciousness-century-old-scientific.html
>
> Temporary exposure to anesthesia causes the lipid clusters to move from an
> ordered state, to a disordered one, and then back again, leading to a
> multitude of subsequent effects that ultimately cause changes in
> consciousness.
>
>
> or not  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188
> (2014)
> <https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188>
>
>

[Vo]:Orchestrated Objective Reduction

[Terry Blanton]

Might have taken a hit..

Dr. Hameroff will be pleased.

*Anesthesia's effect on consciousness solved, settling century-old
scientific debate*

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-anesthesia-effect-consciousness-century-old-scientific.html

Temporary exposure to anesthesia causes the lipid clusters to move from an
ordered state, to a disordered one, and then back again, leading to a
multitude of subsequent effects that ultimately cause changes in
consciousness.


or not  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188
(2014)

Re: [Vo]:UV-C Mask Direct Sterilization

[Terry Blanton]

Manufacturer's web site:


https://www.oraclelights.com/blogs/news/the-a-i-r-uv-germicidal-device-developed-by-oracle-lighting

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On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 12:02 AM Terry Blanton  wrote:

>
> https://www.foxnews.com/health/oracle-lighting-patent-pending-device-uses-uv-light-to-neutralize-live-virus
>
>
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[Vo]:UV-C Mask Direct Sterilization

[Terry Blanton]

https://www.foxnews.com/health/oracle-lighting-patent-pending-device-uses-uv-light-to-neutralize-live-virus



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[Vo]:Electron Transition Atomic Mass Change Quantified

[Terry Blanton]

A new door to the quantum world has been opened: When an atom absorbs or
releases energy via the quantum leap of an electron, it becomes heavier or
lighter. This can be explained by Einstein's theory of relativity (E =
mc2). However, the effect is minuscule for a single atom. Nevertheless, the
team of Klaus Blaum and Sergey Eliseev at the Max Planck Institute for
Nuclear Physics has successfully measured this infinitesimal change in the
mass of individual atoms for the first time. In order to achieve this, they
used the ultra-precise Pentatrap atomic balance at the Institute in
Heidelberg. The team discovered a previously unobserved quantum state in
rhenium, which could be interesting for future atomic clocks. Above all,
this extremely sensitive atomic balance enables a better understanding of
the complex quantum world of heavy atoms.

https://phys.org/news/2020-05-successfully-infinitesimal-mass-individual-atoms.html

Re: [Vo]:Constants that Aren't

[Terry Blanton]

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 7:21 PM Ron Wormus  wrote:

> Terry,
> This has been known for some time but the variation is slight 1 part in 7
> million if I recall correctly.
>

Yep, past two decades is what the article says.  It's a reaffirmation.


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[Vo]:Constants that Aren't

[Terry Blanton]

*The electromagnetic force keeps electrons whizzing around a nucleus in
every atom of the universe—without it, all matter would fly apart. Up until
recently, it was believed to be an unchanging force throughout time and
space. But over the last two decades, Professor Webb has noticed anomalies
in the fine structure constant whereby electromagnetic force measured in
one particular direction of the universe seems ever so slightly different.*

https://phys.org/news/2020-04-laws-nature-downright-weird-constant.html

[Vo]:We Live in an Alien Playground

[Terry Blanton]

https://medium.com/@deep_1645/we-live-in-an-alien-playground-ea70b93879

Re: [Vo]:The Solution is in Your Bar?

[Terry Blanton]

Everclear in my brandy snifter!


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On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 7:35 PM ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> https://arxiv.org/abs/2003.12444
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Solution to the Pandemic! And the next one...

[Terry Blanton]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM Michael Foster  wrote:

> Yes, 254 nm is an excellent virus killer. However, unlike 222 nm, long
> term exposure to 254 nm can cause damage to the eyes and skin. As Jonathan
> Berry points out 222 nm won't even penetrate the water film on your eyes.
>

Well, there's only about a million 254 nm UVGI systems out there and they
are quite inexpensive.  But, if you feel compelled to stare at the photon
source, spring for these $10 safety glasses.  They meet CSA Z94.3 standards.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B000USRG90/


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Re: [Vo]:A contrarian thought experiment

[Terry Blanton]

Not if you consider that the code name for Windows XP was Cairo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Rho

"In hoc signo vinces"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_hoc_signo_vinces


On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 6:02 AM Jonathan Berry 
wrote:

> Wow, this just showed up in my FB feed...
> Wow, this seems like a bad joke, but Microsoft literally has a "mark of
> the beast" human implanted chip for cryptocurrency which has a world patent
> number of (2020) 060606. This is telling quite clearly that this is an
> satanic system being put in place!
>
>
> https://thewatchtowers.org/microsoft-owns-international-patent-060606-a-cryptocurrency-system-using-humans-who-have-been-chipped-as-the-miners/amp/
>
> That's not a coincidence, that's a disclosure.
>
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 21:36, Jonathan Berry 
> wrote:
>
>> Um, have you seen by any chance the evidence that the Pandemic was
>> planned, orchestrated?
>> From predictive programming at the previous Olympics ceremony (including
>> Boris is a hospital bed), to a ton of weird "coincidences" all over the
>> place, Fauci predicting it, funding a Wuhan lab...
>>
>> There is a LOT of weirdness around this.
>>
>> On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 12:34, Lennart Thornros 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I like it.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 19:40 Jones Beene  wrote:
>>>
 Robin,

 Yes. However if an AI which is accurately modeling outcomes behind the
 scenes was developed, programmed and funded by a secretive group to which
 we can attach that name, then it makes little difference what label gets
 the blame ... why not "satan"?

 One could also label an expected massive kill-off (with an imagined
 purpose) as "the apocalypse" or even as "god's will", no?

 IOW the complexity of the dynamics at play seem to make human
 capabilities (to understand sufficiently or predict outcomes accurately)
 impossible. Thus our rationality wants us to find a "real" causative
 sources, especially elsewhere than our beloved "nature"..

 We hate to confront the fact that evil, randomness and ignorance are
 synonymous...  even natural.


 mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 > I like it.
 >Now imagine all that future you envision having been precision
 orchestrated in the year 2020 by an AI which few humans knew about...


 I don't think it was an AI. More like the Illuminati. ;)

Re: [Vo]:Solution to the Pandemic! And the next one...

[Terry Blanton]

UVGI uses 254 nm...readily available.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4699414/

https://smile.amazon.com/Type-watt-UV-C-Germicidal-Replacement/dp/B007NW9WFW


On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:21 PM Jonathan Berry 
wrote:

> The harm from the virus is significant and lasting for many even if it
> does not kill.
> Also Corona viruses, well there has never been a successful vaccine for a
> corona virus and immunity seems not to be lasting.
>
> Indeed about a 3rd of those who have had it seem not to have notable
> levels of antibodies.
>
> So herd immunity is really untenable, it needs to be stopped, not easy,
> but the only way it's not just going to keep on hitting humanity again and
> again with what seem to be at the most optimistic to be a roughly 1%
> fatality rate.
>
> I have found two US manufacturers of 222nm bulbs, not sure though that
> either have enough output.
>
> Good to know it's krypton chloride, wasn't aware.
>
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 04:35, Michael Foster  wrote:
>
>> This is a really good idea. Fortunately, the U.S. can supply its own
>> krypton. 222 nm lamps are krypton chloride excimer bulbs. Maybe we can wise
>> up and make the lamps in the United States. I doubt that any are made here
>> now.  I know this sounds ridiculous at the moment, but what if a baseball
>> cap could be made with a small excimer lamp on the under side of the bill.
>> This certainly isn't impossible what with all the really compact high
>> voltage supplies that are made now. I doubt if making large numbers of
>> excimer bulbs would have much of an effect on the price of krypton as
>> rather large amounts are used in double pane windows at near atmospheric
>> pressure. The krypton chloride bulbs, conversely, use small amounts a low
>> pressure.
>>
>> OTOH, all of this prevention simply delays people being exposed to the
>> virus and thus delaying the herd immunity. The original premise of this
>> absurd lock down was to "flatten the curve" and prevent hospitals from
>> being overwhelmed. This exercise in totalitarian despotism was based on
>> faulty computer models like most of our predictions of doom lately. The
>> overall death rate in the U.S. is down somewhat from previous years,
>> meaning that the people who supposedly succumbed to the Wuhan virus would
>> probably have died of something else in the same time period. Given the
>> practice of reporting deaths of the elderly as from covid19 whether or not
>> that was the known cause no doubt inflates the numbers substantially.
>>
>> Influenza deaths will probably exceed the deaths caused by the corona
>> virus this year. This is just a guess on my part, probably more accurate
>> that the latest computer models. But we all just love to panic don't we?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Saturday, April 18, 2020, 11:10:48 PM UTC, Jonathan Berry <
>> jonathanberry3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  You are sort of missing the point though!
>> The point is that 222nm UVC light kills the virus (however ironic that
>> might be with HV corona emitting UV) and this 222nm UV is safe, not harmful!
>> It doesn't even get through to live skin cells or even through the water
>> film on your eye.
>> But it destroys the virus in the air and on surfaces.
>> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 08:41, Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Very good new from California.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/17/1000113/up-to-4-of-silicon-valley-already-infected-with-coronavirus/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  only 1 out of 50 infected does get
>>  symptoms!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Fairly consistent
>>  research results showing increased rate of leukemias near high
>>  voltage transmission lines but little evidence low frequency EMR
>>  can cause it.
>>
>>
>>
>>  You should not live to close to such
>>  transmission lines due to high magnetic fields.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Leukemia (in
>>  children) is also slightly increased in a radius up to 20 miles
>>  from a nuclear plant.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  J.W.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Am 18.04.20 um 21:17 schrieb ChemE
>>  Stewart:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Damp conditions, dew buildup, pollution and
>>  damage to insulators/lines all reduce the local breakdown
>>  voltage.  The strong electric field is ionizing N2 and O2 in
>>  the air and producing ozone and NOx which by themselves are
>>  not healthy long term. The ionization is also releasing broad
>>  spectrum electromagnetic pollution from high frequency UVc
>>  down to low frequency radio noise. It is most likely the high
>>  frequency UV range doing the cellular damage over time nearby.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Fairly consistent research results showing
>>  increased rate of leukemias near high voltage transmission lines
>>  but little evidence low frequency EMR can cause it.  I expect it
>>  is the high frequency UV spectrum and it is dependent upon local
>>  weather and line conditions.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.webmd.com/cancer/lymphoma/news/20050602/child-leukemia-again-linked-to-power-lines
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Weaponizing coronavirus

[Terry Blanton]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 9:24 AM ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> The military industrial complex is sterilizing all of us with UVc
> radiation @ 260 nm
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N1hb9ZXyhs
>
> Let's party.
>

Ah!  Leave it to a ChE to find the cause of coronavirus...electrical corona
discharge!

Pass the grape koolaid, please.

Re: [Vo]:Weaponizing coronavirus

[Terry Blanton]

You don't want to stare at UV-C...it will blind you.  I bought safety
glasses.  I also cover the unit when in use:


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On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:46 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> The NIH article states that masks are damaged by chemical agents.  I first
> heard of the Swedes sterilizing masks with 254 nm light.  Then found the
> NIH article and decided to build my own.  I ordered the parts from Amazon a
> few weeks back and had it up and running last week.  Two sources means you
> don't have to turn the masks.
>
> I am building a second one with a single 18" tube this weekend using a
> standard fixture.  The 6 inch small tubes are no longer available.  I got
> the tube in today.
>  18 inch uv.c.jpg
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YgniUQP0q3H7Tm9PiFDwdt6uYjqdt0y-/view?usp=drive_web>
> I have run tests on cheap dust masks.  After 24 hours exposure, the only
> obvious damage is a weakening of the elastic.  Looks like about 20%.  The
> control is on the right.  Each are filled with equal weights.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Weaponizing coronavirus

[Terry Blanton]

The NIH article states that masks are damaged by chemical agents.  I first
heard of the Swedes sterilizing masks with 254 nm light.  Then found the
NIH article and decided to build my own.  I ordered the parts from Amazon a
few weeks back and had it up and running last week.  Two sources means you
don't have to turn the masks.

I am building a second one with a single 18" tube this weekend using a
standard fixture.  The 6 inch small tubes are no longer available.  I got
the tube in today.
 18 inch uv.c.jpg

I have run tests on cheap dust masks.  After 24 hours exposure, the only
obvious damage is a weakening of the elastic.  Looks like about 20%.  The
control is on the right.  Each are filled with equal weights.

Re: [Vo]:Weaponizing coronavirus

[Terry Blanton]

The University of Nebraska Medical Center is sterilizing their N95 masks
with a larger version:

https://www.nebraskamed.com/sites/default/files/documents/covid-19/n-95-decon-process.pdf


This study supports the idea:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4699414/

Re: [Vo]:Weaponizing coronavirus

[Terry Blanton]

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:51 AM JonesBeene  wrote:

>
>
> Here is a bit of worrisome speculation…
>




> OK – here’s one clever way that comes to mind – don’t laugh - the US mail.
> It adds a whole new meaning to “the check is in the mail”
>

I run mine through this:

 uv light.jpg

It's a UV-C source that kills coronavirus by ripping up their RNA strands.
It only takes about 300 mJ/cm^2.

[Vo]:The Origin of SARS-CoV-2

[Terry Blanton]

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-8DUCy9E3a7kr5zcynsu_404kjVRetPk

Re: [Vo]:Better than N95

[Terry Blanton]

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 6:25 PM  wrote:

>
> I wonder if a cocktail of all 7 would be reasonable?
>

Depends on the results.  I read of one trial which already showed the
vaccine to be unsafe.  It excited the same cytokine storm as the disease
even though it was just components of a virion, not the whole thing.

Re: [Vo]:Better than N95

[Terry Blanton]

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 4:51 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Terry and Jones—
>
>
>
> You 2 must be the best read fictionadoes I’ve come across. :)
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>

I can't speak for Mr. Beene; but, personally, I'm so full of it, my eyes
are brown.

Cheers!

Re: [Vo]:Better than N95

[Terry Blanton]

Bill Gates' noble effort:

https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-factories-7-different-vaccines-to-fight-coronavirus-2020-4


On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 12:53 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> No.  You need to protect yourself assuming all is true.  Then you will
> survive to say, "I told you so."
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 12:29 PM AlanG  wrote:
>
>> It's a scary prospect if the findings are accurate. But there's no
>> mention in the article of any control measurements or the error bands of
>> the measurement techniques. For example, simple testing of the collection
>> process by sampling known sterile areas seems to me an essential part of
>> any such study. False positives need to be eliminated before concluding the
>> spread of the virus is essentially ubiquitous and inescapable.
>>
>> On 4/4/2020 9:15 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 11:50 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:
>>
>>> You didn't read the articles.  The issue is not sneezing!
>>>
>>> It is breathing.  And talking.
>>>
>>
>> Here, read this article carefully:
>>
>> https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.23.20039446v2.full.pdf
>>
>> You may have walked in the same space a beautiful woman just passed and
>> experienced her nice perfume.  If she was shedding virus at that time you
>> are likely infected even if both of you were wearing a cloth mask.
>>
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Better than N95

[Terry Blanton]

No.  You need to protect yourself assuming all is true.  Then you will
survive to say, "I told you so."

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 12:29 PM AlanG  wrote:

> It's a scary prospect if the findings are accurate. But there's no
> mention in the article of any control measurements or the error bands of
> the measurement techniques. For example, simple testing of the collection
> process by sampling known sterile areas seems to me an essential part of
> any such study. False positives need to be eliminated before concluding the
> spread of the virus is essentially ubiquitous and inescapable.
>
> On 4/4/2020 9:15 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 11:50 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
>> You didn't read the articles.  The issue is not sneezing!
>>
>> It is breathing.  And talking.
>>
>
> Here, read this article carefully:
>
> https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.23.20039446v2.full.pdf
>
> You may have walked in the same space a beautiful woman just passed and
> experienced her nice perfume.  If she was shedding virus at that time you
> are likely infected even if both of you were wearing a cloth mask.
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Better than N95

[Terry Blanton]

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 9:41 AM Jones Beene  wrote:

> Reminds one of Harry Bosch leaving the morgue ... think about the
> implications of: "most smells are particulates"
>

Thanks, Jonesie!  I was wondering what I was going to binge after 'S All
Good Man!  I started Connelly's Amazon series ages ago but never finished
the first season.  Now I see there are six!

I wonder what I will do next week?  :)


> Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
>
> Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
> You may have walked in the same space a beautiful woman just passed and
> experienced her nice perfume.  If she was shedding virus at that time you
> are likely infected . . .
>
>
> What if she is plain-looking? Am I safe?
>

Knowing your wife...no.

Re: [Vo]:Better than N95

[Terry Blanton]

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 11:50 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> You didn't read the articles.  The issue is not sneezing!
>
> It is breathing.  And talking.
>

Here, read this article carefully:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.23.20039446v2.full.pdf

You may have walked in the same space a beautiful woman just passed and
experienced her nice perfume.  If she was shedding virus at that time you
are likely infected even if both of you were wearing a cloth mask.

Re: [Vo]:Better than N95

[Terry Blanton]

You didn't read the articles.  The issue is not sneezing!

It is breathing.  And talking.  The articles indicate that you can catch
the Covid-19 disease from aerosols whose sizes are 5 microns.  Not only
that, they can hang in the air for much longer than droplets from coughing
and sneezing.  And 2 meters is not the safe distance...it's more like 7 to
8 meters.

Combine this with the face that 40 to 50 percent of infected people are
asymptomatic while still shedding huge numbers of virionswell, Brix
said today to not even go to the grocery store.  And a balaclava isn't much
protection.

Cheers.

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 10:46 PM  wrote:

> In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Sat, 4 Apr 2020 19:46:56 -0400:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >5000 nm is pretty small.  How many SARS-CoV-2 Virions will fit in one
> >aerosol particle?
>
> The only reference I could find for the size of the virus is 0.1 micron.
> So assuming that both measures (i.e. 0.1 & 5)
> refer to a diameter, and volume goes as the cube of diameter that means at
> most 50^3 = 125000 (which ignores packing
> factor) in one aerosol particle, probably much less of course. However
> droplets (sneezing) are usually larger than 5
> microns AFAIK.
> [snip]
> Regards,
>
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> local asymmetry = temporary success
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Better than N95

[Terry Blanton]

I'm going back to finish bingeing almost 5 years of "Better Call Saul."

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 8:14 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> Dammit.  That is just the sort of coincidence that I have been
> encountering since my "incident" which makes me think that I am dead and
> none of you exist.
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 8:11 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
>> LOL!!
>>
>> https://youtu.be/D3zZ_ih0Jpc
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:59 PM Jones Beene  wrote:
>>
>>> ... or a Firesign skit,,,
>>>
>>> you know - "Name that pandemic" ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Terry Blanton wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, like the ultimate software package in "Ready Player One".
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:54 PM Jones Beene  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes that is exactly the kind of thing which has a ring of truth
>>> indicating that we are part of simulation
>>>
>>> ...but...
>>>
>>> Do not tell. Never tell. The consequences could be drifting out in
>>> cyberspace till the next reboot ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Terry Blanton wrote:
>>>
>>> I was in intensive care in September 16, 2019 due to sepsis.  I have a
>>> theory that I died and went to hell and am living it.  :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:46 PM Jones Beene  wrote:
>>>
>>> Doesn't the entire scenario seem more and more like we are actually a
>>> part of that proverbial SIM which we talk about from time to time ?
>>>
>>>

Re: [Vo]:Better than N95

[Terry Blanton]

Dammit.  That is just the sort of coincidence that I have been encountering
since my "incident" which makes me think that I am dead and none of you
exist.

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 8:11 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> LOL!!
>
> https://youtu.be/D3zZ_ih0Jpc
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:59 PM Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> ... or a Firesign skit,,,
>>
>> you know - "Name that pandemic" ...
>>
>>
>>
>> Terry Blanton wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, like the ultimate software package in "Ready Player One".
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:54 PM Jones Beene  wrote:
>>
>> Yes that is exactly the kind of thing which has a ring of truth
>> indicating that we are part of simulation
>>
>> ...but...
>>
>> Do not tell. Never tell. The consequences could be drifting out in
>> cyberspace till the next reboot ...
>>
>>
>> Terry Blanton wrote:
>>
>> I was in intensive care in September 16, 2019 due to sepsis.  I have a
>> theory that I died and went to hell and am living it.  :)
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:46 PM Jones Beene  wrote:
>>
>> Doesn't the entire scenario seem more and more like we are actually a
>> part of that proverbial SIM which we talk about from time to time ?
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Better than N95

[Terry Blanton]

LOL!!

https://youtu.be/D3zZ_ih0Jpc

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:59 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

> ... or a Firesign skit,,,
>
> you know - "Name that pandemic" ...
>
>
>
> Terry Blanton wrote:
>
> Yeah, like the ultimate software package in "Ready Player One".
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:54 PM Jones Beene  wrote:
>
> Yes that is exactly the kind of thing which has a ring of truth indicating
> that we are part of simulation
>
> ...but...
>
> Do not tell. Never tell. The consequences could be drifting out in
> cyberspace till the next reboot ...
>
>
> Terry Blanton wrote:
>
> I was in intensive care in September 16, 2019 due to sepsis.  I have a
> theory that I died and went to hell and am living it.  :)
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:46 PM Jones Beene  wrote:
>
> Doesn't the entire scenario seem more and more like we are actually a part
> of that proverbial SIM which we talk about from time to time ?
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Better than N95

[Terry Blanton]

Yeah, like the ultimate software package in "Ready Player One".

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:54 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

> Yes that is exactly the kind of thing which has a ring of truth indicating
> that we are part of simulation
>
> ...but...
>
> Do not tell. Never tell. The consequences could be drifting out in
> cyberspace till the next reboot ...
>
>
>
> Terry Blanton wrote:
>
>
> I was in intensive care in September 16, 2019 due to sepsis.  I have a
> theory that I died and went to hell and am living it.  :)
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:46 PM Jones Beene  wrote:
>
> Doesn't the entire scenario seem more and more like we are actually a part
> of that proverbial SIM which we talk about from time to time ?
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Better than N95

[Terry Blanton]

Speaking of,  did you know that Oprah Winfrey almost died of pneumonia in
September also?  She had just returned from Italy.  One theory is that the
virus has been around a lot longer than we think.  It would be interesting
to see if she has antibodies for SARS-CoV-2.

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:48 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> I was in intensive care in September 16, 2019 due to sepsis.  I have a
> theory that I died and went to hell and am living it.  :)
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:46 PM Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> Doesn't the entire scenario seem more and more like we are actually a
>> part of that proverbial SIM which we talk about from time to time ?
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Better than N95

[Terry Blanton]

I was in intensive care in September 16, 2019 due to sepsis.  I have a
theory that I died and went to hell and am living it.  :)

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:46 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

> Doesn't the entire scenario seem more and more like we are actually a part
> of that proverbial SIM which we talk about from time to time ?
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Better than N95

[Terry Blanton]

5000 nm is pretty small.  How many SARS-CoV-2 Virions will fit in one
aerosol particle?

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-can-spread-as-an-aerosol.html

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:43 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> Not exactly true.
>
>
> https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/you-may-be-able-spread-coronavirus-just-breathing-new-report-finds
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:38 PM  wrote:
>
>> In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Sat, 4 Apr 2020 18:35:31 -0400:
>> Hi,
>> [snip]
>> >I found an old Hoover HEPA vacuum bag and thought to make a mask.  Then I
>> >Googled the idea.  Nothing new under the sun.  HEPA spec is 300 nm but
>> test
>> >show them effective down to 50 nm (depends on the rating).  SARS-CoV-2 is
>> >125 nm.
>>
>> I think the size of the virus is irrelevant. The mask doesn't really have
>> to stop individual virus particles, it only
>> has to stop the moisture droplets that carry them. Droplets are thousands
>> of times larger than the virus.
>> A normal handkerchief/silk scarf should do fine provided that there are
>> no spaces around edge where droplets can bypass
>> the filter.
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Robin van Spaandonk
>>
>> local asymmetry = temporary success
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Better than N95

[Terry Blanton]

Not exactly true.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/you-may-be-able-spread-coronavirus-just-breathing-new-report-finds


On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:38 PM  wrote:

> In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Sat, 4 Apr 2020 18:35:31 -0400:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >I found an old Hoover HEPA vacuum bag and thought to make a mask.  Then I
> >Googled the idea.  Nothing new under the sun.  HEPA spec is 300 nm but
> test
> >show them effective down to 50 nm (depends on the rating).  SARS-CoV-2 is
> >125 nm.
>
> I think the size of the virus is irrelevant. The mask doesn't really have
> to stop individual virus particles, it only
> has to stop the moisture droplets that carry them. Droplets are thousands
> of times larger than the virus.
> A normal handkerchief/silk scarf should do fine provided that there are no
> spaces around edge where droplets can bypass
> the filter.
> Regards,
>
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> local asymmetry = temporary success
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Better than N95

[Terry Blanton]

Just make sure it says Filtrete.  No glass.  Looks like the doctor didn't
do his homework.

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:17 PM Charles  wrote:

> Maybe not such a good idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiYbXsIcI7E
>
> On 05/04/2020 00:35, Terry Blanton wrote:
> > I found an old Hoover HEPA vacuum bag and thought to make a mask.
> > Then I Googled the idea.  Nothing new under the sun.  HEPA spec is 300
> > nm but test show them effective down to 50 nm (depends on the
> > rating).  SARS-CoV-2 is 125 nm.
> >
> > https://youtu.be/W6d3twpHwis
>
>

[Vo]:Better than N95

[Terry Blanton]

I found an old Hoover HEPA vacuum bag and thought to make a mask.  Then I
Googled the idea.  Nothing new under the sun.  HEPA spec is 300 nm but test
show them effective down to 50 nm (depends on the rating).  SARS-CoV-2 is
125 nm.

https://youtu.be/W6d3twpHwis

Re: [Vo]:Laissez les bon temps rouler -

[Terry Blanton]

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 7:15 AM Jonathan Berry 
wrote:

> You just need to heat masks to 56C for an extended period (about an hour)
> to sterilize the mask, or hotter temperatures for longer, that isn't very
> hot.
>

That works on SARS.  There is no such study on SARS-CoV-2.

The Swedes have been successfully sterilizing with UV.

Don't you think it's an odd coincidence that Japan begins announcing
increases in Covid-19 cases AFTER they decided to delay the Olympics.
Hmmm?

Re: [Vo]:Chloroquine trials in New York

[Terry Blanton]

It's called "herd immunity".

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11078115


On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:11 PM Michael Foster  wrote:

Incidentally, there are apparently no cases of covid19 in areas where
malaria is prevalent. I have a half-baked hypothesis about that.

>
>

Re: [Vo]:Chloroquine trials in New York

[Terry Blanton]

I got mine from India.  No script required.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:49 PM Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:

> Am 24.03.20 um 16:46 schrieb Jed Rothwell:
>
> In point of fact, one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in the
> world has provided millions of doses of these drugs to the state of New
> York for free. So, obviously they are not trying to prevent the use of it!
>
> Jed you are mixing up the facts-
>
> There are many big pharma that try to block the usage of
> hydroxychloroquine because this blocks their 1000$ shots they would like to
> see in the treatment of severe cases. The blocking is twofold:
>
> 1: Most people don't even get to the severe state anymore.
>
> 2: even severe cases profit more than of expensive antiviral drugs as they
> do not work as expected in younger people.
>
> 3: The main profit base of big pharma (90% of their income), the older
> people with preconditions will die anyway because they are tested to late.
>
> 4: There is no replacement for them if the younger do no longer get lung
> damage...
>
>
> You have to read mainstream press in Europe (like Spiegel) and you
> immediately notice the foul play that is going on.
>
> "one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in the world has provided
> millions of doses.." But not one that has 1000$ shots in teh pipeline!
>
>
> J.W.
>
>
>
> --
> Jürg Wyttenbach
> Bifangstr.22
> 8910 Affoltern a.A.
> 044 760 14 18
> 079 246 36 06
>
>

Re: [Vo]:FW: dog person spread of covid19 DOGS GET INFECTED--

[Terry Blanton]

I wouldn't trust anything from the SCMP.

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 3:36 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> CDC says there is NO EVIDENCE of the subject infection??
>
>
>
>
>
> *https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/animals.html
> *
>
>
>
>
>
> See the following:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3065190/coronavirus-hong-kong-dogs-infection-not
>
>
>
> Mammals , including humans, have the same basic ACE2 hormone that controls
> blood pressure and other physiologic processes and which *covid-19
> attaches to* during infection and subsequent multiplication, depending
> upon the hosts immune system effectiveness.
>
>
>
> I wonder if ACE inhibitors (a common blood pressure med) are effective in
> blocking the infection of covid-19 by reducing  its attachment to ACE2
> hormones or by keeping the ACE2 hormone from attaching to endothelium cells
> and hence allowing the virus to invade the cell and multiply??
>
>
>
> This potential mechanism was addresses by research from the Wuhan
> laboratory (reported here on vortex) dated several years ago.  See the
> following current assessment:
>
>
>
>
> https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-why-some-heart-patients-especially-vulnerable
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>

[Vo]:Double it for Sarscov Deux

[Terry Blanton]

Many of us Elders have been ordering takeaway or delivery. One of the
places I used to frequent before the bastardy attack of that Chinese Villian
Sarscov Deux was Cracker Barrel. Since I can't go get my senior meat and
two with the shutdown I wondered what happened to them. I got this
yesterday:

Here at Cracker Barrel®, your safety and well-being are our highest
priority. While many of our dining rooms are temporarily closed during this
difficult time, you can still enjoy that homestyle Cracker Barrel taste —
made with care in our home, to enjoy in yours.

In addition to carryout, we now offer curbside pick-up and contactless
delivery*, where your meal can be left at your door. Order today and
satisfy that #crackerbarrelcraving.



We ordered the * and they promptly dropped off the fresh meal package at
the front door. I recognized the delivery person as one of the waitresses
and was happy I had doubled my check as a tip. She was smiling as she left
the food.

If you can afford it, at least until our incompetent government (both
sides) gets off their political ass, tip heavily. These people need it. And
if you both survive, they will remember you.

Well, they will, either way.

Cheers!

Double it for Sarscov Deux! Buy bonds!

Re: [Vo]:How Covid-19 came to Iceland

[Terry Blanton]

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/coronavirus-us-travel-restrictions-monday/index.html


On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 9:10 PM H LV  wrote:

> It wouldn't be necessary had countries began isolating all travellers from
> China in January. But people are not rational. Then again perhaps it is the
> only way to force governments to realise that we need a New Deal 2.0
> appropriate to the 21st.
>
> Harry
>
> On Wed., Mar. 18, 2020, 8:46 p.m. Terry Blanton, 
> wrote:
>
>> The borders are closed now.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 2:54 PM H LV  wrote:
>>
>>> As of March 18th in Canada 74% of confirmed cases are still from
>>> travellers
>>> and the strategy continues to be wait until they development symptoms
>>> before they are tested??!!
>>>
>>> Harry
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 7:17 PM H LV  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > In Canada 3/4 of new cases are still from travellers!
>>> > Of course no quarantine system is going to be perfect.
>>> >
>>> > Harry
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 7:07 PM Terry Blanton 
>>> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Two weeks for what?  Testing?  Symptoms?  Many people are
>>> asymptomatic.  Many have a later recurrence.
>>> > >
>>> > > Boris thinks 4 weeks.
>>> > >
>>> > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 6:03 PM H LV  wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Mandatory two week quarantine for citizens returning from visiting
>>> > >> countries were an outbreak is occurring. If you want to go, then be
>>> > >> prepared to be quarantined on your return.  Maybe it is too late to
>>> be
>>> > >> effective now, but when the next outbreak occurs this rule should be
>>> > >> applied before it becomes a pandemic.
>>> > >> Of course the plutocracy love to travel so they will be slow to
>>> > >> introduce such legislation.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Harry
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:25 PM Terry Blanton 
>>> wrote:
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > I read the article; but, I don't understand.  What is the lesson
>>> learned?  Don't let people go skiing in other countries?  What am I missing
>>> here?
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 6:23 PM H LV 
>>> wrote:
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Fastsplaining: How the Covid-19 Came To Iceland – A Lesson To Be
>>> Learned
>>> > >> >>
>>> https://grapevine.is/news/2020/03/12/fastplaining-how-the-covid-19-came-to-iceland-a-lesson-to-be-learned/
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Harry
>>> > >>
>>>
>>>

Re: [Vo]:How Covid-19 came to Iceland

[Terry Blanton]

The borders are closed now.

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 2:54 PM H LV  wrote:

> As of March 18th in Canada 74% of confirmed cases are still from
> travellers
> and the strategy continues to be wait until they development symptoms
> before they are tested??!!
>
> Harry
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 7:17 PM H LV  wrote:
> >
> > In Canada 3/4 of new cases are still from travellers!
> > Of course no quarantine system is going to be perfect.
> >
> > Harry
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 7:07 PM Terry Blanton 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Two weeks for what?  Testing?  Symptoms?  Many people are
> asymptomatic.  Many have a later recurrence.
> > >
> > > Boris thinks 4 weeks.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 6:03 PM H LV  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Mandatory two week quarantine for citizens returning from visiting
> > >> countries were an outbreak is occurring. If you want to go, then be
> > >> prepared to be quarantined on your return.  Maybe it is too late to be
> > >> effective now, but when the next outbreak occurs this rule should be
> > >> applied before it becomes a pandemic.
> > >> Of course the plutocracy love to travel so they will be slow to
> > >> introduce such legislation.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Harry
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:25 PM Terry Blanton 
> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > I read the article; but, I don't understand.  What is the lesson
> learned?  Don't let people go skiing in other countries?  What am I missing
> here?
> > >> >
> > >> > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 6:23 PM H LV  wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Fastsplaining: How the Covid-19 Came To Iceland – A Lesson To Be
> Learned
> > >> >>
> https://grapevine.is/news/2020/03/12/fastplaining-how-the-covid-19-came-to-iceland-a-lesson-to-be-learned/
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Harry
> > >>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:NIH-Antivirus compound via L-Lysine and Proline

[Terry Blanton]

At least this one has some logic to it:


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8115879/COVID-19-Australian-researchers-CURE-coronavirus.html

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:48 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

>
> https://www.foxnews.com/tech/coronavirus-cures-and-fake-dietary-supplements-beware-products-on-amazon
>
>

Re: [Vo]:NIH-Antivirus compound via L-Lysine and Proline

[Terry Blanton]

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/coronavirus-cures-and-fake-dietary-supplements-beware-products-on-amazon

Re: [Vo]:How Covid-19 came to Iceland

[Terry Blanton]

Two weeks for what?  Testing?  Symptoms?  Many people are asymptomatic.
Many have a later recurrence.

Boris thinks 4 weeks.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 6:03 PM H LV  wrote:

> Mandatory two week quarantine for citizens returning from visiting
> countries were an outbreak is occurring. If you want to go, then be
> prepared to be quarantined on your return.  Maybe it is too late to be
> effective now, but when the next outbreak occurs this rule should be
> applied before it becomes a pandemic.
> Of course the plutocracy love to travel so they will be slow to
> introduce such legislation.
>
>
> Harry
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:25 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:
> >
> > I read the article; but, I don't understand.  What is the lesson
> learned?  Don't let people go skiing in other countries?  What am I missing
> here?
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 6:23 PM H LV  wrote:
> >>
> >> Fastsplaining: How the Covid-19 Came To Iceland – A Lesson To Be Learned
> >>
> https://grapevine.is/news/2020/03/12/fastplaining-how-the-covid-19-came-to-iceland-a-lesson-to-be-learned/
> >>
> >> Harry
>
>

Re: [Vo]:How Covid-19 came to Iceland

[Terry Blanton]

I read the article; but, I don't understand.  What is the lesson learned?
Don't let people go skiing in other countries?  What am I missing here?

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 6:23 PM H LV  wrote:

> Fastsplaining: How the Covid-19 Came To Iceland – A Lesson To Be Learned
>
> https://grapevine.is/news/2020/03/12/fastplaining-how-the-covid-19-came-to-iceland-a-lesson-to-be-learned/
>
> Harry
>

Re: [Vo]:Corona Virus

[Terry Blanton]

God bless you, Frank.  It's good to see you.

Don't touch your face!

Cheers!

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:01 AM Frank Grimer <88.fr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I watched it to the end and found it most interesting. Thanks Ron.
>
> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 17:02, Ron Wormus  wrote:
>
>> I don't have anything but the link. I think it is worth taking the time
>> to listen to it. Michael Osterholm is a expert who has thought a lot about
>> this situation.
>>
>>
>>
>> *- Original Message -*
>> *From:* Esa Ruoho 
>> *Reply-To:* 
>> *To:* 
>> *Sent:* 3/12/2020 10:00:37 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Corona Virus
>> --
>> d'you have a TL;DW synopsis for us, Ron?
>> it is 1 hour 34 minutes of two guys talkin. surely there's a tl;dw
>> available for it?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 17:54, Ron Wormus  wrote:
>>
>>> This is pretty informative:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://linkedin.com/in/esaruoho // http://twitter.com/esaruoho //
>> http://lackluster.bandcamp.com //
>> +358403703659 // http://lackluster.org // skype:esajuhaniruoho //
>> iMessage esaru...@gmail.com //
>> http://esaruoho.tumblr.com // http://deposit4se.tumblr.com //
>> http://facebook.com/LacklusterOfficial //
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:A flu irony - less total deaths !!!

[Terry Blanton]

Sorry, Jed, I put very little credence in anything the CPC says.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gordon-g-chang-china-falsely-blames-us-for-coronavirus-pandemic

https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-deny-americans-coronavirus-drugs

The data from Italy and Iran are more reliable, IMO.

Cheers!

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:30 PM Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
> You can't really define mortality of a disease until you either
>> a) have experience with the disease
>> b) count the dead
>> The mortality is the number of infected divided into the number of dead.
>>
>
> The Chinese now have enough data from recovered and dead patients to draw
> some conclusions. The mortality rate varies are great deal depending on
> age. It also depends on medical care. When there are enough hospital beds
> and doctors, the rate is much lower.
>
> https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Corona Virus

[Terry Blanton]

Poor Wendy sounds depressed as the News Anchor at Ch2 in Atlanta says her
own name.

 https://www.wsbtv.com/author/wendy-corona/

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:41 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> ThanksI guess.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:25 PM Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> Hey, it beats the Chron ...
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 12, 2020, 12:26:29 PM PDT, Terry Blanton <
>> hohlr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> You subscribe to the Post?
>>
>> Here is a visual synopsis – burial trenches in Iran -  large enough to be
>> seen from space …
>>
>> Coronavirus burial pits in Iran so vast that they’re visible from space
>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/iran-coronavirus-outbreak-graves/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most_medium=email_source=newsletter=nl_most>
>>
>> Coronavirus burial pits in Iran so vast that they’re visible from space
>>
>> Iranian authorities began digging a pair of trenches for victims just
>> days after the government disclosed the in...
>>
>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/iran-coronavirus-outbreak-graves/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most_medium=email_source=newsletter=nl_most>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Corona Virus

[Terry Blanton]

ThanksI guess.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:25 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

> Hey, it beats the Chron ...
>
>
> On Thursday, March 12, 2020, 12:26:29 PM PDT, Terry Blanton <
> hohlr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> You subscribe to the Post?
>
> Here is a visual synopsis – burial trenches in Iran -  large enough to be
> seen from space …
>
> Coronavirus burial pits in Iran so vast that they’re visible from space
> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/iran-coronavirus-outbreak-graves/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most_medium=email_source=newsletter=nl_most>
>
> Coronavirus burial pits in Iran so vast that they’re visible from space
>
> Iranian authorities began digging a pair of trenches for victims just days
> after the government disclosed the in...
>
> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/iran-coronavirus-outbreak-graves/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most_medium=email_source=newsletter=nl_most>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Corona Virus

[Terry Blanton]

You subscribe to the Post?

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:42 PM JonesBeene  wrote:

>
>
> Here is a visual synopsis – burial trenches in Iran -  large enough to be
> seen from space …
>
>
>
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/iran-coronavirus-outbreak-graves/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most_medium=email_source=newsletter=nl_most
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Esa Ruoho 
>
>
>
> d'you have a TL;DW synopsis for us, Ron?
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:A flu irony - less total deaths !!!

[Terry Blanton]

 not either, both

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 8:49 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> You can't really define mortality of a disease until you either
> a) have experience with the disease
> b) count the dead
> The mortality is the number of infected divided into the number of dead.
> You don't know the outcome of those with an ongoing infection; so, the
> definition is really:
>
> dead/(recovered+dead)
>
> We don't really have much experience since there are so many ongoing
> infections.  If you actually use this definition without a lot of
> experience, the mortality rate is terrifying.
>

Re: [Vo]:A flu irony - less total deaths !!!

[Terry Blanton]

You can't really define mortality of a disease until you either
a) have experience with the disease
b) count the dead
The mortality is the number of infected divided into the number of dead.
You don't know the outcome of those with an ongoing infection; so, the
definition is really:

dead/(recovered+dead)

We don't really have much experience since there are so many ongoing
infections.  If you actually use this definition without a lot of
experience, the mortality rate is terrifying.

Re: [Vo]:A flu irony - less total deaths !!!

[Terry Blanton]

Corona virus vaccines are difficult because the immune system attacks the
RNA; but, it's the spike proteins which cause the infection by "unlocking"
the cell wall.  If they were easy, we would have a common cold vaccine.

Re: [Vo]:A flu irony - less total deaths !!!

[Terry Blanton]

All very interesting.

Covid-19 appears to kill by cytokine storm in most cases.

Some evidence indicates that influenza is seasonal due to fowl migration.
The virus is carried in their feces.

No shit.

If you want to track the data in near real time  https://ncov2019.live/data

the tables are sortable.

If you would like to see the procedure for testing of the presence of
SARS-CoV-2 virus its

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/uscdcrt-pcr-panel-for-detection-instructions.pdf?sfvrsn=3aa07934_2


by PCR amplification.  Thank you Kary Mullis.

The S.Koreans and Chinese had stockpiled SARS test kits and only had to
change one reagent to make it a Covid-19 kit.

>

Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory

[Terry Blanton]

I emailed Loeffler and Perdue and suggested to my Senators that there are
less risky military bases in Georgia they can choose.

On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 11:21 AM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> Presumably they are talking about the Dobbins/Lockheed complex.  That's
> nice.
>
>
> https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/coronavirus-outbreak-death-toll-us-infections-latest-news-updates-2020-03-08/
>
>
> *California residents will be brought to facilities within the state, and
> non-residents will be taken to locations in other states, including a
> military base in Marietta, Georgia. OES said 1,000 passengers are
> California residents.*
>

Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory

[Terry Blanton]

Presumably they are talking about the Dobbins/Lockheed complex.  That's
nice.

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/coronavirus-outbreak-death-toll-us-infections-latest-news-updates-2020-03-08/


*California residents will be brought to facilities within the state, and
non-residents will be taken to locations in other states, including a
military base in Marietta, Georgia. OES said 1,000 passengers are
California residents.*

Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory

[Terry Blanton]

Finally, a cure!

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uNfqT_1583510405

(actually, more of a preventive measure ... ensures social isolation)

>

Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory

[Terry Blanton]

If you really want to be scared, read the book or watch the NatGeo series
"The Hot Zone", a true story about an Ebola outbreak in Reston, VA.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 6:45 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> Vaccines generally excite the immune system to attack the virion's RNA.
> The reason we don't have a common cold vaccine is the spike protein is what
> allows the virus to attach to the cell walls.  We don't have vaccines
> against the spike proteins as they are constantly changing.  This is the
> nature of all corona virus.
>

Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory

[Terry Blanton]

Vaccines generally excite the immune system to attack the virion's RNA.
The reason we don't have a common cold vaccine is the spike protein is what
allows the virus to attach to the cell walls.  We don't have vaccines
against the spike proteins as they are constantly changing.  This is the
nature of all corona virus.