Re: [Vo]:ChatGPT vs L. Ron Hubbard
On Tue, 2 May 2023, Terry Blanton wrote: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12038355/ChatGPT-create-new -religion-writing-sacred-texts-historian-claims.html A Turing-tested "Chinese Room?" L. Ron Cupboard! (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:WOW, alex frolov is still alive!
I thought Frolov was long gone (may have confused him with S. Marinov.) Like Naudin, he had MEG test reports, plus LOTS of other Russian crackpot stuff which we in the USA have never encountered ...but it was all paper publications. Testing of time machines. Poliakov antigravity. Kilowatt transmission lines based on optical fibers (no light, just a pair of tesla coil terminals linked by meters of fiber!) Ether wind, torsion transmitters, and any number of pulsed toroid coils and electrode-stacks, & Frolov's "Faraday Lab." Better grab a copy of his archive, his 2000s-era magazine issues on hobbyist crackpot physics, N.E.T. "New Energy Technologies," an English version of the Russian-lang original. Also, I just discovered Frolov's videos (rus lang) on "RU-TUBE" site, https://rutube.ru/channel/25537669/ auto-translate the Russian video titles... https://rutube-ru.translate.goog/channel/25537669/videos/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en zip file of all PDF articles, ~twenty magazine issues 2001-2005 http://www.faraday.ru/Eng23.zip 160MB Individual PDF zips http://www.faraday.ru/net.htm (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:laser spectral linewidth is classical-physics phenomenon
On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, H LV wrote: New research shows that laser spectral linewidth is classical-physics phenomenon https://phys.org/news/2020-07-laser-spectral-linewidth-classical-physics-ph enomenon.html VERY cool! Perhaps this points to a new kind of physics which is a synthesis of classical and quantum physics. An old proposal is SED, Stochiastic Electrodynamics, which, if I understand it, is classical physics but with an enormous zeropoint sea of particles and fluctuations. Also, Willis Lamb was trying to create a physics which entirely lacked photons, but instead was based on EM waves, but with many little Classical effects added, usually ignored but instead brought to the front (such as perhaps my own favorite: wave-resonance being able to excite a nonlinear oscillator suddenly, across a threshold ...as if it had been struck by a tiny particle, yet it was entirely a wave phenomenon, as if Photoelectric Effect does not demonstrate QM after all.) Still, the 2-photon 180deg emission from positron annihilation ...hard to explain any of that Entaglement stuff. Must perhaps add many-worlds version of reality, to the particle-sea of SED theory. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:Torsion field research (fwd)
see below... vhttps://www.spintorsion.com Please contact me if you want to email Neil D. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 18:23:56 + (UTC) From: Neil D. Subject: Torsion field research Hi Bill A long time ago you had a list, It was referred to as the twist list, it might have been vortex-lc anyway it ran for a while with items about torsion research in the USSR and then I think people lost interest because of lack of progress in the area. Since that time myself and some colleagues have continued doing research into torsion fields and have come up with some pretty interesting findings. These have been published on a website and I think readers of amasci.com would be interested. It would certainly fit into your weird science category. Anyway it would be great to have a reference to it there and if you do want to refer to it feel free to copy apprpriate bits (with attribution) The website is https://www.spintorsion.com Best wishes from Edinburgh Neil
Re: [Vo]:Stimulated emission and Pre-Quantum Physics
On Wed, 27 Apr 2022, H LV wrote: I have been doing more reading about the history of stimulated emission. Einstein formally introduced a quantum version of the concept in 1917. "STIMULATED EMISSION!" Oh man don't even get me started. (Too late!) Saying the words Stimulated Emission, that's like wearing a Susquehanna hat in an Abbott and Costello bit, and then saying "Niagara Falls" ...slowly I turned, step by step, INCH BY INCH. A very simple classical analog of Stimulated Emission (circuit-based stimulated emission) ...seems to have been missed by everyone. It's a part of the "missing physics" of EM wave-absorption by atoms, photon- destruction, Einstein's fundamental mistakes about photoelectric effect, as well as being part of the odd "energy-sucking" effects seen with short resonant antennas. All these topics constitute a single subject, and, having been missed by Classical physics textbooks, are declared to be "QM-only phenomena" when they crop up in various places. OK, first say we have a classical EM oscillator (a tank circuit hanging in space,) and it's slowly emitting a small amount of radio waves. Is there a way to force it to suddenly dump all of its stored energy as a huge blast of EM radiation? Certainly. It's dead-simple stuff. Should be part of every EM textbook. But it's not. Instead, Stimulated Emission is treated as some rare and unique, QM-only process, rather than a normal part of basic radio-science. (Similar treatment is given to the weird behavior of electrically-small resonant antennas: ignored, except when it crops up as "virtual photon" effects with atomic resonance, narrow-linewidth photon absorption, nearfield/evanescent "photon tunneling," etc.) Put bluntly, Stimulated Emission works at DC, and obviously applies to all capacitors. If we have a charged capacitor, we can connect it to a resistor, and remove its energy according to RC time-constant. Or, we can short it out, and the much shorter RC-constant then depends on the capacitor's internal impedance, and the micro-ohms of wire resistance (ignoring for the moment any wave-emission and LC effects.) Or instead, we can force that capacitor to dump out its energy at ANY fast rate desired, even many orders faster than just shorting it out. Simply hook it up to a high-amps constant-current supply. But hook it up backwards. Before the backwards-connected capacitor can begin to be "charged" by conneting it to this CC supply, first it has to be discharged to zero (where the joules in the capacitor are then EMITTED, and they must move out of the capacitor and into the CC supply.) And clearly we can discharge this capacitor at ANY rate desired, proportional to the current-output of the backwards-connected CC supply. The discharge-time can easily be orders shorter than any conceivable natural RC-constant. (The capacitor might possess micro-ohms of internal resistance, and if it's simply being shorted, have a very short RC time constant for discharge. But if we apply a huge backwards current, we can discharge it hundreds of times faster than that, thousands of times, any speed desired. That's the essence of Stimulated Emission of course: the max rate of "energy dumping" is determined by the stimulating signal, not only by the characterists of the energy-storage capacitor (or resonator.) ) Pretty cool, eh? And, whatever applies to capacitors, also applies to Classical LC tank circuits hovering in the vacuum. An EM-resonator in space, if it contains some stored energy, is slowly leaking away it's EM energy as radio waves (or even optical photons) at the LC resonant freq. We can force it to suddenly dump out all of its energy in any short time desired. Simply blast it with an EM-wave which has 180deg phase relationship to that oscillator. (This is the same as connecting a pre-charged capacitor to a HV power supply, connecting it backwards.) Our tank circuit hovering in space must first discharge all its stored energy, before it can absorb any energy from the EM waves striking it. Blast it with extremely high-amplitude waves, and first it will rapidly "dump" its stored energy ...then quickly fall to zero total stored energy ...then start rapidly absoring energy from the incoming waves.(Viewed from the side, it would suddenly output a huge flash of EM waves, before settling down and becoming a normal absorber.) Everyone knows that we can quickly charge up a capaictor using an HV supply ...and the same applies to LC resonators hooked to HV AC power supplies tuned to resonate. But if the capacitor or the LC resonator already contains some energy, then we can force a sudden "dumping," by connecting it to our power supply backwards. Oddly, I've never encountered ANYONE discussing these concepts. The closest have been the few papers about the enormously wide "effective apertures" seen with short resonant antennas. (And then
[Vo]:Jan 22 SSE session, at MIT's Adv. Prop. & Energy #4
Someone finally uploaded the talks! G. Moddel, Extracting zero-point energy, 2nd-law violation? 56min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmLsF5yEd9o Intro to the Jan 22 SSE special session https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0TqfswI_dY Post-session panel discussion, 1hr 13min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7DucTuE2Fk all talks: UNLAB channel on YT https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqC5Gi5IjSlo4daxyLDWSZQ/videos Intro to Advanced Propulsion & Energy IV 1/18/22 (Zoom, not MIT) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3mdvRUuZSU ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty, chem washington edu Research Engineer billb, amasci com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
Re: [Vo]:Dry Ice
On Fri, 21 Jan 2022, MSF wrote: It seems as if you are going to do some serious experimenting, and would have to make that 5 hour trek more often than you would like. You could save yourself a lot of time and gasoline if you just made your own dry ice. If the dry ice is coming from a welding-gas supplier, the same company may have a dry-ice attchment for CO2 tanks. It's basically a needle-valve and a fiberglass bag. (Maybe they'll even rent one?) (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Dry Ice
On Thu, 20 Jan 2022, H LV wrote: Does anyone here have experience transporting and storing dry ice? First, call the seafood section of any local supermarket, and ask if they sell dry ice. If they don't, they probably know who does (since people know to call seafood suppliers when searching for dry ice.) Seafood, and also ice-cream shops. Here locally, the QFC markets all sell it. But during halloween week, you can only get some if you'd first reserved it months in advance! If you keep it stored in an ordinary freezer how long will ice cube sized pieces last? The closest supplier I can find is a 2.5 hour drive away. Will it even last 2.5 hours if stored in a cooler or thermos bottle? Would larger chunks be better? Thanks. Harry (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
dry ice at Burning Man Re: [Vo]:Dry Ice
Buy slab-type, slabs kept in a stack to avoid internal convection. Buy an Al mylar "space blanket" and wrap the slab-stack in many layers. Best is to store the whole thing in a thick styrofoam box placed inside a bigger drinks-cooler. Doing that, you can make 20lbs last for over a week. While driving, blow outside air or keep windows cracked, so you DON'T DIE. (Usually this isn't a big issue, since when done right, the offgassing will be low. People only die when they try using paper bags to transport many cubic feet of pellet-type, in hot desert environment (with car sealed, with air conditioning on "recirculate," and with air flowing through the pellets.) For Burning Man, I took 30lbs in a DIY chamber made from many layers of foil-coated 1/2" styrofoam, for walls 6in thick. I was sitting all day in Center House, handing out chips so people could cool their drinks. The only problem was with hot wind storms, where my big box was outside the tent. Tiny tiny air leaks acted like blow-torches, carving little slots in the surface of my slab-stack. (That's when I started wrapping the whole thing in reflective mylar.) On Thu, 20 Jan 2022, H LV wrote: Does anyone here have experience transporting and storing dry ice? If you keep it stored in an ordinary freezer how long will ice cube sized pieces last? The closest supplier I can find is a 2.5 hour drive away. Will it even last 2.5 hours if stored in a cooler or thermos bottle? Would larger chunks be better? Thanks. Harry (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:OT: steam locomotive
Live steam. No upper temperature limit. Steam jet flays tissue right off bones, chars bones.Also, OST Buster Keaton inertial compensators, for infinite-acceleration brakes, back when Star Trek was still in the silent film era, and only had one warp nacelle, painted black. On Sun, 2 Jan 2022, H LV wrote: In this short clip Buster Keaton lights a cigarette by pressing it against the boiler of a steam locomotive. Would the surface of the boiler get hot enough to do that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AIyB_-HYcs Harry (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: MORE [Vo]:Oldschool VORTEX-L topics, Xmas present
Hmmm... Documentary, secret of Majorana 40min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh28vuMZyco=1m36s Photo of E. Majorana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_g578ZlTL8 Majorana sighting, 1996 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qND2LVFYW8I Lots o' stuff: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2hraJHYI5F6lEibP1P2veA Apparently some blocks of expanded PVC foam rubber are turned into high-mass gold, but without affecting the plywood, or the material directly behind (and somehow cannot increase the bank account of the people involved.) An' we all wanna know ...those Star Trek transporters, do they grab any dirt from below your shoes? Can they also dry your damp shoe-soles, so you're not tracking any alien slime all over the transporter-room carpets? DEEPFRIED: Kobayashi Maru pp33 https://www.whatisdeepfried.com/comic/kobayashi-maru-11/ "I think they're using TRANSPORT, skip' !" "Transporting ...PEOPLE? Are they out of their 'EFFING MINDS?!" On Thu, 30 Dec 2021, William Beaty wrote: Even more! I just recently was told that the famous physicist E. Majorana apparently didn't die young after all. Instead he'd made a major dangerous discovery, so he withdrew all his money, then quitely vanished, migrating to an unknown destination. Argentina? One modern group claims to have all his work from this period, and is busy translating. Italian FE experimenters supposedly have the steel-melting death-ray device, a Majorana beam-generator, and are tuning it for transmutation. Transmutazione di Rolando Pelizza 1992 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYAQXq5oAX0=33m30s Majorana vids (non English) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2hraJHYI5F6lEibP1P2veA/videos I think they're claiming FE devices.Anyone here a native speaker? (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Information transfer
I'm using these below for detecting outdoor cat. Transmitter works at 50ft, but maybe not 50M. The 9V batt lasts for nearly a year. It's thermal-IR, but if non-ambient mail is falling right across it, probably it will trigger. Or, cut into the sensor and add a leaf-switch and resistor. Perhaps extend the PCB antennas as dipoles (is it 433MHz?) $15 wireless alarm https://www.harborfreight.com/wireless-security-alert-system-57937.html On Wed, 29 Dec 2021, Robin wrote: I'm looking for an elegant, simple, cheap means of transmitting a single bit of information over a distance of 50 meters, without wires. Imaginative solutions sought. :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
MORE [Vo]:Oldschool VORTEX-L topics, Xmas present
Even more! I just recently was told that the famous physicist E. Majorana apparently didn't die young after all. Instead he'd made a major dangerous discovery, so he withdrew all his money, then quitely vanished, migrating to an unknown destination. Argentina? One modern group claims to have all his work from this period, and is busy translating. Italian FE experimenters supposedly have the steel-melting death-ray device, a Majorana beam-generator, and are tuning it for transmutation. Transmutazione di Rolando Pelizza 1992 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYAQXq5oAX0=33m30s Majorana vids (non English) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2hraJHYI5F6lEibP1P2veA/videos I think they're claiming FE devices.Anyone here a native speaker? (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Oldschool VORTEX-L topics, Xmas present
Another: Dethrays-R-us 1992 Corum Daum & Moore "Tesla Coil Research" https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235174476_TESLA_Coil_Research I THINK this is downloadable by all, no login required. James Corum apparantly won a 1992 $1M Army contract to explore a Death Ray, a directed-energy weapon (method of guiding the discharge from a large Tesla Coil.) They'd been putting vacuum-bulbs atop a large coil, and when the glass envelope was melt-perforated as usual, they observed a long straight discharge. Apparently a molecular (or perhaps macro- particle) beam was emitted through the melted hole, and this would guide the coil's normal plasma streamers. Using a designed emitter, they attained ?30? foot straight-line discharges from their large coil. I stumbled upon their PDF Army paper, on James Corum's personal page on academic "researchgate" site. PS Did I post this here last year? Slidshow of construction of Corum's giant Tesla tower out in Texas... http://amasci.com/graphics/st/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFiW2lqdnlM=636s Their startup corp Viziv declared bankruptcy in ?Jan? 2021 Rumor is that the Corums bailed out much earlier, after their board decided to start telling lies to stockholders. Rumor: the hundred-plus patents are owned by others, not the Corums. On Mon, 27 Dec 2021, MSF wrote: Nice. Thanks, Bill! ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, December 27th, 2021 at 9:19 AM, William Beaty wrote: Go grab a copy of this from archive.org... NEW ENERGY TECHNOLOGY magazine, 2001-2005 (25 issues) 300meg ZIP of pdf collection http://web.archive.org/web/20190808090740/http://www.faraday.ru/net25.zip I notice that Alex Frolov's old 300meg PDF archive of New Energy Technology magazine has vanished from his Faraday.ru website. English language version, mostly. N.E.T magazine is even better than Electric Spacecraft Journal and Fortean Times (lots more weird physics!) HOURS of mental entertainment (nay! weeks!) Or find inidiviual PDF files online: http://www.faraday.ru/net.htm On Wed, 15 Dec 2021, bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote: Terry Blanton in a thread here sevral weeks back compared phase transitions to witch craft.. Most phase transitions are a "fractal edge," nonlinear populations impossible to understand until the mid-1980s, when nonlinear dynamics birthed the Complexity sciences, and some methods to investigate Emergent Phenomena. The boiling and freezing points of water are not stored in the water molecule, but instead are Emergent patterns, stored across a population. They're basically similar witchcraft to turbulence: ab initio creation of vorticity from thermal vibrations or perhaps from QM noise. Continuous repeated amplification of nano-noise, femto-noise, sensitive dependence on initial conditions, but producing some threshold phenomena and "growth from seeds." (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:Oldschool VORTEX-L topics, Xmas present
Go grab a copy of this from archive.org... NEW ENERGY TECHNOLOGY magazine, 2001-2005 (25 issues) 300meg ZIP of pdf collection http://web.archive.org/web/20190808090740/http://www.faraday.ru/net25.zip I notice that Alex Frolov's old 300meg PDF archive of New Energy Technology magazine has vanished from his Faraday.ru website. English language version, mostly. N.E.T magazine is even better than Electric Spacecraft Journal and Fortean Times (lots more weird physics!) HOURS of mental entertainment (nay! weeks!) Or find inidiviual PDF files online: http://www.faraday.ru/net.htm On Wed, 15 Dec 2021, bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote: Terry Blanton in a thread here sevral weeks back compared phase transitions to witch craft.. Most phase transitions are a "fractal edge," nonlinear populations impossible to understand until the mid-1980s, when nonlinear dynamics birthed the Complexity sciences, and some methods to investigate Emergent Phenomena. The boiling and freezing points of water are not stored in the water molecule, but instead are Emergent patterns, stored across a population. They're basically similar witchcraft to turbulence: ab initio creation of vorticity from thermal vibrations or perhaps from QM noise. Continuous repeated amplification of nano-noise, femto-noise, sensitive dependence on initial conditions, but producing some threshold phenomena and "growth from seeds." (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Outreach for discussion on Znidarsic-Smith genuine UFO reverse engineering using causal reasoning
On Wed, 6 Oct 2021, Kevin O'Malley wrote: If you really want to get down to the "natural forces" behind flying saucers, just read ONE book: Renato Vesco's "Intercept UFO". https://www.amazon.com/Intercept-UFO-Renato-Vesco/dp/B0006WI572 Normally I avoid UFO stuff, but a really kick-ass book, revealing some actual secrets (but not the physics/devices,) is: American Cosmic DW Pasulka https://www.amazon.com/American-Cosmic-UFOs-Religion-Technology/dp/019069288X Still no paperback. I actually bought the hardcover. Twice! Note that Tyler D. is "Tyler Durden" ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty, chem washington edu Research Engineer billb, amasci com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
Re:[Vo]:Electrostic Tornadoes and Hurricanes?
On Sat, 11 Sep 2021, Michael Foster wrote: William Beaty, if you're asleep at your keyboard, wake up and help us out here. I'm pretty sure I first found a reference to Baez's hypothesis on your website. In any case, this whole idea is right up your alley. Quick search for Joan Baez finds her father named Abert, not Alfred! I haven't heard of Baez tornado stuff, but I do remember a 1990s theory where tornades are electrically powered by ground-surface generation of charged droplets. Years later this finally started making sense to me, mostly after I realized that we are all taught the wrong definition of "conductor." A conductive material is not a path for current, instead it's a material which CONTAINS CHARGE, e.g. the mobile charge-sea of metals, or the mobile +Na -Cl ions of human bodies and damp soil, etc. That means that a single electron **IS** a conductor. So is a single ion, or a charged droplet suspended in air. Apply a voltage (an e-field) and then the charged object starts drifting (which causes electric current.) Just one charged dust-mote in space will serve as a conductor, while a row of charged motes becomes a wire. And, high-voltage famously creates dark silent conductive paths, whenever a strong e-field contacts a wet surface, producing little Taylor Cones and "spitting" phenomena, where jets of charged liquid droplets are ejected from the surface. We see this in EHT oil jets from transformer DC tanks, oil-droplet spiderweb effect, electrospray systems and electrospinning, etc. So, place a damp planetary surface under a thunderstorm, and all sorts of opposite-charged droplets will be launched upwards. Add some winds, and we'd also see electrically charged dust moving upwards (as tiny motes leave the highly-charged ground surface under the storm clouds.) If a vertical jet of droplet/dust should assemble itself, it would act as a weird sort of electric discharge, like dark silent lightning. But more probable, an existing dust-devil with its vertical core-flow, if placed under a neg-charged T-storm, would exhibit a vertical electric current, as the inductively-charged ground surface starts spewing out pos-charged dust and droplets. The dust devil hoovers up the pos-charged material, and soon becomes a fluid-based electrostatic motor, with the two "stator plates" being the ground and the thunderstorm, and a columnar flow of charged fluid moving upwards. (Then after some time, it may become enclosed by negative raindrops, neg charges driven down from above.) Would we detect immense voltages surrounding tornades? Not if they exhibit the above coax-cable effect or "beam-cancellation," with a coaxial distribution of opposite charges. Any e-field sensors would need to pass through the tornado's path, in order to avoid the shielding layer of opposite coaxial charge. There was one paper where the authors pulled magnetometer data from many small weather stations near the path of major tonadoes. They used the b-field distortions to estimate the vertical electric currents in the tornado, and found hundreds of amperes. (It was all ignored of course. Mention electrostatic tornado-drive on sci.geo.meteorology, and the experts become triggered, flying into rage! Only Bernard Vonnegut dared approach this problem ...and he thought that there were no electrostatic motor-forces, just electrical air-heating from the vertical amperes...) As, by whatever means, the eye of a hurricane becomes more highly charged it would attract the uncharged or oppositely charged water droplets from outside the eye at an accellerated rate, thus making both the radial and linear velocity very high. So, if it's the cause or the effect can remain the subject of debate. Or perhaps it's both, one thing feeding the other. Research aircraft penetrating hurricane eye-walls find enormous electrical fields, and arrays of vertical vortices. If Hurricanes are electric motors, are they just thunderstorms with emergent tornadoes arrayed to dance around an insulating central cylinder? Or instead perhaps your typhoon is trying to short out the planetary vertical e-field (and so would be driven by all of Earth's thunderstorms. In that case we could switch off a hurricane by shorting out the ionosphere and removing the vertical e-field. For other consequences of ionosphere-shorting, see the SF book SIVA! by Walt Richmond. ) https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3782250-siva It might be that a fleet of these new electrostatic drones launched around the tropical depression could cause rainfall from the moist air Or, much easier to place some asymmetrical conditions in its path and GUIDE hurricanes away from coastal cities. Or, guide them towards selected cities unless we agree to pay Dr. Evil his one MIIION DOLLARS! ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) )
[Vo]:Stan Meyer rides again?
Here's a 2021 startup claiming to obtain H2 beyond PEM electrolyzers, by using plasma and special frequencies. https://www.rechargenews.com/energy-transition/-our-plasma-electrolysers-will-cut-the-cost-of-green-hydrogen-by-a-factor-of-three-/2-1-1032895 No FE machines here, nope nope. (Just don't connect it to a fuel cell and use it to power itself.) It's teh frequencies Kenneth! ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty, chem washington edu Research Engineer billb, amasci com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
Re: Aha, there's a video Re: [Vo]:FE device quietly published
Here's earlier Garret Moddel talks from SSE conferences Believing FE claims? 28min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FPf3PiqiZY=556s "Energy from the Vacuum" gas thru Casmir cavity ?2009? Conf Boulder CO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7CX89cTvFw PART I talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU_ZHMba5-Q PART II talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz8BOlj6clA PART III questions interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oco54HUAyuM 90min On Thu, 2 Sep 2021, William Beaty wrote: Newly discovered nanolayer fabbed micro-volt "rectifiers" used for tapping Casmir oscillations, Garret Moddel. The "free energy" version was just presented at the August SSE conference, scientificexploration.org, but their vimeo video is private. Here's a youtube version, August 1 2021 Unlocking zero-point energy 45min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tGRhTXKh8A ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty, chem washington edu Research Engineer billb, amasci com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
Aha, there's a video Re: [Vo]:FE device quietly published
Newly discovered nanolayer fabbed micro-volt "rectifiers" used for tapping Casmir oscillations, Garret Moddel. The "free energy" version was just presented at the August SSE conference, scientificexploration.org, but their vimeo video is private. Here's a youtube version, August 1 2021 Unlocking zero-point energy 45min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tGRhTXKh8A Also, Moddel just published papers about the device, and possible use in rectenna solar cells as the "diodes" for optical diopole antennas. His discovery is that a meta-insulater-metal device, if a resonant nanocavity is placed on one side, produces microwatt output continuously (4hr test, then 24hr test.) It "rectifies" lightwaves, but at microvolt potentials, not fractional volts like semiconductor junctions. He's now trying to build large-scale arrays. On Fri, 2 Jul 2021, William Beaty wrote: Moddel,G.;Weerakkody, A.; Doroski, D.; Bartusiak, D. Optical-Cavity-Induced Current. Symmetry 2021, 13,517. https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2101/2101.03085.pdf doi.org/10.3390/sym13030517 Garret Moddel,*Ayendra Weerakkody, David Doroski, and Dylan Bartusiak "Casimir-cavity-induced conductance changes" PHYSICAL REVIEW RESEARCH 3, L022007 (2021) https://journals.aps.org/prresearch/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevResearch.3.L022007 "The differential conductance of metal-insulator-metal devices increases when they are joined with Casimir cavities. An imbalance in injection of hot charge carriers from each side of the insulator is increased with thinner cavities that suppress more quantum vacuum modes. The result is an observed increase in conductance. Additional conductance changes, with insulator thickness and other device parameters, are consistent with an imbalance-induced injection of hot carriers. In addition to the conductance changes, we observe anomalous offsets in the current and voltage. We interpret the conductance changes in terms of del-E del-t uncertainty-principle-like limit to the injection of hot carriers from zero-point fluctuations." ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty, chem washington edu Research Engineer billb, amasci com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
Re: [Vo]:Ken Shoulders interview
On Mon, 23 Aug 2021, Robin wrote: ...you might try an inter-library loan through you local university library? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk Yep, that's how I intially read Shoulders "secret" book. He had self-published a paperback with his notes and photos, then distributed ?fifty? copies privately to friends. Then, when the military tried to "secrecy order" his first patents, he avoided this by telling them that the info was already widely distributed (but only in private, so the USPTO wouldn't be able to reject his application because of prior public-domain release.) I find that the K. Shoulders claims don't make sense unless one first realizes that Ken is claiming that small, needle-shaped sparks are not sparks at all! Instead, a high-speed camera sees them as intensely bright points, microscopic "stars" moving at high speed. Needle-shaped sparks are not normal plasma streamers? Instead they are brilliant glowing bullets? However, I find that the same electrode CAN produce the famaliar fractal-shaped spark processes rather than needle-sparks. For example, a classroom VandeGraaff machine produces several different types of discharge, including branching tortuous "lightning" as well as the bright non-fractal "needle-sparks." Ken Shoulders entire discovery is that the familiar needle-sparks are not sparks; instead they are traveling "micro-bullets" which can vaporize narrow tunnels in metal foils and refractory materials, they take the form of a small torus of smaller separate points, and can be guided by fabbed surface-structures on ceramic wafers. I wonder, if we first send a "needle spark" through a metal membrane, then on the other side, accelerate it with e-field from a +200KVDC electrode, how far will it travel in air? Also, do this with a TORUS electrode, to see whether the "needle" passes through the zero-field donut-hole, rather than behaving as a normal spark, and always taking a curved path so as to leap between metal surfaces. Perhaps a cm-scale "EVO gun" is possible, where apparent needle-sparks end their path on open air, wo/any second electrode to halt the spark trajectory? (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:Ken Shoulders interview
See: https://steemit.com/dtube/@mfmp/nzssv2y3 Also, at the bottom are goog drive copies of Ken Shoulders book, and also the zipped contents of his PDF website. Also I stumbled across this below, the library holdings of Ken Shoulders donated papers/videotapes http://dla.library.upenn.edu/dla/pacscl/detail.html?id=PACSCL_SCIHIST_2015003USpaphchf Rats, it's not online, and is all the way over on the east coast (Philadelphia) (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:Not the Emdrive: "Heaviside force" 1999 Corum paper
How about some oldschool antigravity machines? (Remember the old ESJ Electric Spacecraft Journal? ) I just stumbled upon the following, some old 1999/2000 conference papers from JF Corum and friends: EM Stress-Tensor Space Drive, Corum et al, conf proc SAIF 1999 http://nedyn.com/STAIF_99.pdf http://nedyn.com/Slepian_1_1949.pdf http://nedyn.com/AIAA_Space_Drive.pdf https://aip.scitation.org/doi/abs/10.1063/1.57496 More: http://nedyn.com/spacepropul.html If the mystery-force sums to zero over one cycle, yet violates momentum conservation (like "Emdrive," lacks any momentum-carrying EM emissions,) then try giving it single large monopole pulses, cap-discharge and the like. See if we detect a measurable "kick." (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:FE device quietly published
Moddel,G.;Weerakkody, A.; Doroski, D.; Bartusiak, D. Optical-Cavity-Induced Current. Symmetry 2021, 13,517. https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2101/2101.03085.pdf doi.org/10.3390/sym13030517 Garret Moddel,*Ayendra Weerakkody, David Doroski, and Dylan Bartusiak "Casimir-cavity-induced conductance changes" PHYSICAL REVIEW RESEARCH 3, L022007 (2021) https://journals.aps.org/prresearch/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevResearch.3.L022007 "The differential conductance of metal-insulator-metal devices increases when they are joined with Casimir cavities. An imbalance in injection of hot charge carriers from each side of the insulator is increased with thinner cavities that suppress more quantum vacuum modes. The result is an observed increase in conductance. Additional conductance changes, with insulator thickness and other device parameters, are consistent with an imbalance-induced injection of hot carriers. In addition to the conductance changes, we observe anomalous offsets in the current and voltage. We interpret the conductance changes in terms of del-E del-t uncertainty-principle-like limit to the injection of hot carriers from zero-point fluctuations." (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Vortex-L Credo
Also, "provisional acceptance." To avoid the trap of Confirmation Bias, we provisionallly accept impossible claims in order to test them. Vortex-L is for those who see great value in removing their usual mental filters by provisionally accepting the validity of "impossible" phenomena in order to test them. I'm just following Lewis Caroll's recommendation, spoken by The Queen... “Alice laughed. 'There's no use trying,' she said. 'One can't believe impossible things.' 'I daresay you haven't had much practice,' said the Queen. 'When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.' And also... "It is a good morning exercise for a research scientist to discard a pet hypothesis every day before breakfast. It keeps him young." - Konrad Lorenz Next, develop an internal metal “concept-testing sandbox” for yourself. Then, rather than sneeringly rejecting every suspicious idea, or blindly accepting them all, instead you build a dedicated test-lab region inside your own head. There, the main rule is “provisional acceptance.” It’s a place where you can store all the Untrusted Ideas. (Or maybe put a big sticky label on incoming new concepts “possible toxin, not for internal use.”) After all, we never can devote honest consideration to ideas that we’ve already rejected before testing. With a separate ‘sandbox,’ you won’t need to maintain a tightly closed scoffer/skeptic mindset in order to protect yourself from all the loony ideas floating around out there. Instead, you can welcome them all in …to your airtight testing chamber, where your “pretend self” can become totally meme-infected, all the while being observed by your real self in the observation booth behind the one-way glass. Now you can honestly test all those crazy claims that Conventional Science Has Rejected, while also having lots of fun at Flat Earth meetings and crackpot physics conferences …playing with mud-pies while wearing gloves. This is important, because hidden in all that sewage are amazing diamonds. On Fri, 2 Jul 2021, Alan Fletcher wrote: Thanks! The page I was looking for is http://amasci.com/weird/vmore.html and the partly-remembered credo : So, on Vortex-L we intentionally suspend the disbelieving attitude of those who follow the stereotypical "scientific method." While this does leave us open to the great personal embarrassment of repeatedly falling for hoaxes and delusional thinking, we tolerate this problem in our quest to consider ideas and phenomena which would otherwise be rejected out of hand without a fair hearing. There are diamonds in the filth, and we see that we cannot hunt for diamonds without getting dirty. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]: uap report out
On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, Terry Blanton wrote: On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 12:19 AM Axil Axil wrote: The "UAP" is likely to be a form of ball lightning. Swamp gas... https://youtu.be/wqlFiTOi6QQ?t=27 Pie plates, or reflections in the atmosphere. DRY CLEANING BASGS FILLED WITH Mars GAS: Official stolen govt training film of the secret plan to deal with... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv041-dAnqs (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:Hrm. Sarfatti, Podkletnov, Pais(Navy), Ning Li(China)
High weirdness ...since 2002. (I been outta the loop!) Recent antigravity discussion, YT: 5/24/2021 Scientist "Discovered Antigravity" Then Disappeared... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS_rEzKdzBA Towards the end of the video (16:40) Jack Sarfatti in old Tim Ventura interview mentions that U. Huntsville's Ning Li (re Podkletnov-claimed rotating HTSC gravity-shielding,) dropped out of sight and supposedly moved back to China. Rumors about Chinese emDrive, Naval Pais-patents of crazy UFO tech, maybe they're responding to Ning Li working on Chinese "Podkletnov" devices? [1] My own crackpot pet theory: down at the angstrom scale, permanent magnets are "perfect conductors" because of charge spin: the QM version of persistent ring-currents. So perhaps the rumors involving rotating antigrav HTSC-disk are connected to rumors involving rotating neo supermagnet antigravity (Searle device, and Roschin/Godin version.) Why not rotate some large disk-slabs of pyrolytic graphite at 30K RPM, placed adjacent to non-rotating supermagnets, giving physically-moving Alpha currents (supercurrents in benzene rings,) currents responsible for strong paramagnetism in dense graphite. Heh, maglev your graphite disk inside a vacuum capsule, then spin 'er up with induction drive. --- [1] Firesign Theater sez, "Could be could BE! All *I* know is, EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG!" (from their 1974 album, "Everything you know is wrong.") https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_VdupNdxlM (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 5:08 PM William Beaty wrote: Me, I stay away from the UFO community. Wise move. Thanks, Bill. Back in the day, my website was only for FE/OU, antigravity, CF. I was constantly having to tell people, if you want UFOs, just freakin' go to the HUUUGE number of flying-saucer websites! Sheesh. But those groups never build hardware, or even START to perhaps consider any experiments. For them, actual science seems to be completely taboo. ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty, chem washington edu Research Engineer billb, amasci com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
Me, I stay away from the UFO community. But my brother Dave in Ft. Myers sure doesn't! For years he's been running a private facebook group for... USN pilots who commonly eyewitnessed weird hypervelocity aircraft, those now called "Tic-tac" events. All the pilots are meeting privately on facebook AATIP group. Dave has been taking them around to give talks at UFO conferences. That's old news. Now the screaming starts, because it just hit the big time, with pilot interviews on Sixty Minutes. Skeptics are freaking out. 60MIN may 16 Navy pilots' UAP encounters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY See one of Dave Beaty's youtube channels, with older pilot interviews: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6i-se5IU8hRbPov5-ON1tw Also, he's a designer/cameraman/CGI person for a small video contract house in Florida, and years ago created an entire half-hour movie from found footage and hand-made CGI, called... The Nimitz Encounters 32min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRgoisHRmUE updated, USO submerged version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e9NoKp8EnE If you watch TV, you've probably seen his CGI footage, because all sorts of UFO programs and even broadcast news shows have been stealing it from his youtube video, without attribution! On Tue, 18 May 2021, Frank Znidarsic wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/17/ufo-report-marco-rubio-urges-us-take-seriously-uap ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty, chem washington edu Research Engineer billb, amasci com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
[Vo]:ICCF-23 Abstract submission deadline extended to May 1, 2021 (fwd)
found in rejects, (oversize 300K message) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 00:33:45 -0700 (PDT) From: icc...@xmu.edu.cn To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: ICCF-23 Abstract submission deadline extended to May 1, 2021 Abstract Deadline extended to May 1, 2021 10 days left to submit your Abstract! You can safely ignore this message if you already submitted an abstract. ICCF-23 Call for Papers The 23rd International Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science (ICCF-23) will be held during June 9-11 2021, in Xiamen, China. The Conference will be conducted virtually due to the Covid-19 pandemic situation. The president of ICCF-23, Zhong-Qun Tian, an academician and a representative of the Organization Committee, wishes all who will attend this grand scientific event a warm welcome. Over the years, many researchers have made unremitting exploration in Condensed Matter Nuclear Science (CMNS). ICCF has a long history and continues to be a place where information is shared by leading researchers working in a wide variety of scientific areas with a common interest in CMNS. Therefore, holding the ICCF-23 conference will play an indescribably important role in understanding the latest international progress of research in CMNS. The success of the conference will depend on you sharing your great ideas, visions and research results with all the participants. Prospective authors are encouraged to contribute high-quality papers to this conference. For more details of ICCF-23, and the host Xiamen University, please visit: http://ikkem.com/iccf-23.php Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: * Heat Production * Transmutations * Radiation and Other Measurements * Electrochemical Experiments * Plasma Experiments * Hot Gas Experiments * Beam Experiments * Instrumentation * Material Studies * Theoretical and Computational Studies * Modeling and Simulation * Approaches to Replication * Applications Important Dates Abstract Submission Deadline: April 24, 2021 Abstract submission Deadline extended to May 1, 2021 Notification of Acceptance: Before May 7, 2021 ICCF-23 online: June 9-11, 2021 Registration Fee Attendance is free of charge, however registration is required. Please visit http://ikkem.com/member.php?c=reg for registration. Registered participant will receive an email on how to access the online conference, no later than June 8, 2021. Plenary Speakers Ping Chen, Dalian Institute of Chemical Physics, CAS, China Lawrence P. Forsley, Global Energy Corporation, USA Peter L. Hagelstein, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, USA Yasuhiro Iwamura, Tohoku University, Japan Sveinn Ólafsson, University of Iceland, Iceland Alex G. Parkhomov, KIT R Laboratory, Russia Edmund Storms, Kiva Labs, USA Akito Takahashi, Technova Inc., Japan Francis Tanzella, Energy Research Center LLC, USA Matthew D. Trevithick, Google LLC, USA Invited Speakers (To be continued) Jean-Paul Biberian, Aix-Marseilles University, France Frank Gordon, SPAWAR Systems Center Pacific, USA Andrew Meulenberg, Science for Humanity Trust Inc., USA Michael McKubre, Napier, New Zealand Melvin H. Miles, Dixie State University, USA David Nagel, George Washington University, USA Roger S. Stringham, Firstgate Energy, USA Mitchell R. Swartz, JET Energy Inc., USA Katsuaki Tanabe, Kyoto University, Japan Tie-Shan Wang, Lanzhou University, China Dong-Ping Zhan, Xiamen University, China Wu-Shou Zhang, Institute of Chemistry, CAS, China Conference Programme The virtual ICCF-23 is excepted to have ~ 40 oral presentations and posters in three days. Three sessions expanding from morning, afternoon, and evening in Beijing time and a separate and live Q session will be arranged per day, to accommodate participants from different time zones (please see the following tentative program framework). Synchronous/live style is the first choice for oral presenters. We will ask oral presenters provide a pre-recorded power point presentation file with audio in advance as a backup. Meanwhile, for mitigating the adverse effects of different time-zones, we would try to make asynchronous watching of all presentations (with permissions) for the whole week of the conference. For each poster presentation, we will provide a show page and a Q page, before and during the meeting week. The related details will be sent by email in due time. You may also check the conference website for updates. [IMAGE] * Time in this table is in GMT+8 (CST), Click Here for Time Zone Converter. Please visit the conference website http://ikkem.com/iccf-23_program.php for PROGRAM OVERVIEW in different time zones: JST, EDT, PDT, and CEST. Language The official language of the conference is English. Contact: icc...@xmu.edu.cn
Re: [Vo]:Carbon transmutation video?
magnetic burned match heads (also a homopolar motor next) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOBmIyu7B30=262s On Tue, 13 Apr 2021, Michael Foster wrote: I have no idea why this subject continues to be controversial Irrational semi-religious belief-systems are the obvious issue. "LENR is for fools, transmutation outside of conventional MeV reactions just demonstrates incompetence or dishonesty." Once a researcher (or a whole academic department, or an entire research community) has spoken the above phrase, they cannot go back. Their skepticism is no longer skepticism. Their admitting error is no longer admitting error: if they turn out to be wrong, it requires confronting the fact that they've joined the "bad guys," and they've been actively halting progress in the sciences. (When careers are on the line, truth doesn't matter, and such a thing must be resisted at any cost ...on pain of public embarrassment, or career- destruction, or even on pain of death, because "If P turned out to be correct, then I'd have to go out and slit my own throat." ) slightest. There are any number of carbon arc configurations that produce elemental transmutation of carbon to iron. I have done this repeatedly "Your carbon was obviously contaminated by iron! Which became concen- trated by orders, as all the carbon exits the arc as CO2!!!" Yeah right, so we don't even consider using ultra-pure spectrographic rods (which display no detectable Fe emission lines in the first place.) Instead we arc-transmute the far purer plasma-grown pyro graphite. But that doesn't matter, since 1) we'd just be accused of intentional hoaxes and 2) no reputable researcher would ever replicate this simple test, because if they demonstrated LENR, it would convert them into Believer- crackpots. myself. The last time, years ago, I used spectroscope grade carbon rods to make sure of lack of contamination. And yes, you get magnetically separable particles as a result. For those who are wont to believe this must be some sort of magnetic pyrolytic graphite, it's easy to test chemically proving that these particles are indeed iron. Just dissolve in dilute sulfuric acid, and react with potassium ferricyanide. If you get that characteristic Prussian blue color, it's iron. Case closed. I'm still tempted to try the other one: that Kervran science-fair experiment. But I'm not sure that faculty here would dare allow it. That's the version with two quartz sample tubes containing identical water and seeds, one then sprouted, both converted to ash, then elemental- analyze the ash (which should be identical, but supposedly the sprouted-seed ash displays extra elements.) A few ICP spectrometers here, and piles of mass-specs, so, not difficult to eliminate artifacts associated with any one test method. But if it works, then UW chem department becomes the new P, who'd originally heard rumors of some obscure crackpot claim involving hydrogen and platinum, and discovered that it was real, to their everlasting chagrin. And credit. These are the same bunch who will discredit this simple experiment until their dying breath, no matter how incontrovertible it is. The ones who refuse Galileo's Telescope, we simply wait for them to die. Then their students (or more probably, after generations) their students' students' students quietly accept the results, since after all, they've been hearing about Cold Fusion ever since they learned to read, and clearly no sane researcher ever objected to CMNS, so what's the big deal? It's not individuals who follow the dishonest face-saving procedure below, it's also the entire scientific community as a whole... "Theories have four stages of acceptance: 1. this is worthless nonsense 2. this is an interesting, but perverse, point of view 3. this is true, but quite unimportant 4. I've always said so." - J.B.S. Haldane, 1963 PS Buy LENR comic books to contaminate young minds! Donate copies to your local dentist office (or even library, if anyone still goes to libraries:) Discover Cold Fusion https://www.curtis-press.com/product-category/comics/ ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty, chem washington edu Research Engineer billb, amasci com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
[Vo]:Carbon transmutation video?
See below, email from 1999. Also see this physics demo: magnetic burned match heads (also a homopolar motor next) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOBmIyu7B30=262s But is this actually an example of ferromagnetic graphite? --- From: Eugene F. Mallove, Editor-in-Chief and Publisher INFINITE ENERGY Magazine Cold Fusion Technology P.O. Box 2816 Concord, New Hampshire 03302-2816 Phone: 603-228-4516; Fax: 603-224-5975 This note concerns what I believe to be an extremely urgent scientific matter: Confirmation (or rejection) of carbon-arc-in-air transmutation to Fe claims. This parallels the *underwater* carbon arc papers of the Bockris group (Nov. 1994 Fusion Technology), Ohsawa in the 1960s, and Singh et al (Nov. 1994 Fusion Technology), but is obviously a simpler test because it is in air. If it can be confirmed and then assessed as to reliability of the production of Fe, we have an astonishingly simple test that almost anyone could confirm for themselves -- another great virtue. A description of the carbon-arc-in-air: From The Philosopher's Stone: Michio Kushi's Guide to Alchemy, Transmutation, and the New Science,, One Peaceful World Press, 1994. I include all the non-biological protocols, but the one of interest here is METHOD 3 (the others may be of interest too): ** Experiments Following is a brief outline of experiments conducted in Japan and France. Some of these experiments are physical transmutations and others are biological transmutations. These are only examples, and complete information will be-come available in the near future. 1. The Transmutation from Na (Sodium) to K (Potassium). The applied formula: 11Na23 + 8016 >> 19K39 George Ohsawa and Masashiro Torii, Professor of the Musashino Institute of Technology, with several scientists, have achieved this transmutation of the atom from Na to K by the following method, first achieved on June 21, 1964. In this experiment, one electric discharge vacuum tube with two poles was used. The length of the vacuum tube was 20 cm and the diameter 2 cm. Electric poles of several different metals were tested. The power of electricity used in this experiment was 60 watts. First, 2.3 mg of Na was inserted and sealed in the vacuum tube, and electricity was started running through the tube. About thirty minutes later, 1.6 mg of O was introduced, and a second later, Na changed into K. This result was examined carefully by authoritative testing agencies, and the same experiments were performed repeatedly, yielding the same results. 2. The Production of Fe (Iron) from C (Carbon) and O (Oxygen). The applied formula: 2 6C12 + 2 8Ol6 >> (2 14Si28 28Ni56) >> 26Fe56 [Note: there is nomenclature apparently missing between the Si and the Ni.] George Ohsawa and his associates in Japan succeeded in their experiments with several methods to produce Fe from C and O. Later French scientists tested similar methods and confirmed the success of the transmutation. After creating the method to achieve the most efficient possible transmutation, they filed patents accordingly. The following examples show only a few methods to accomplish the transmutation from C and O to Fe. Method 1: Transmutation in Air (A): Two graphite crucibles (approximately 2.5 x 5 to 6 inches) cover each other top and bottom. The upper crucible has a 10 mm hole, surrounded by a ceramic ring. The ceramic ring acts as an insulator. Into this hole, a carbon rod (0.25 inches in diameter) is inserted until it reaches to the carbon powder (2 to 3 grams) placed at the inside bottom of the lower crucible. The lower crucible has one or two small holes at the lower part of its side wall for air circulation. An iron base placed under the lower crucible acts as one electrode pole. The carbon rod acts as another electrode pole. As the carbon rod approaches the carbon powder, an electric arc arises. Continuing the operation for 20 to 30 minutes, the carbon powder changes to Fe. In this experiment, the applied electricity is about 35 to 50 volts, and 8 to 18 amps, either A.C. or D.C. Method 2: Transmutation in Water: Using two carbon rods (0.25 inches in diameter), create an electric arc between them, by striking them on one another in water. This operation is performed for 1 to 5 seconds. Then, brown-black metallic powder falls down to the bottom of the water, which contains Fe. The applied electricity is the same as in Method 1. Method 3: Transmutation in Air (B.): Carbon powder is placed on a copper plate, approximately 12 inches long, 6 inches wide, and 0.5 inches thick. This plate works as an electrical ground. A carbon rod (identical to the carbon rods used in Methods 1 and 2) used as another electrical pole, strikes repeatedly the carbon powder on the plate, producing an electric arc. The carbon powder changes into Fe. The applied electricity is the same
Re: [Vo]:Here at UW, John Cramer teamed up with...
It also connects with a "secret" taught in graduate-level physics, where instead all the undergrads are only taught some traditional "Lies to Children" (also sometimes called 'physics misconceptions.') The "lie" here is the idea that photons exist; that photons are like little grains of sand flying through space. Little tiny billiard-balls which excite atoms by crashing into them. Light is photons, and light waves are a delusion. FINALLY someone complained... There are no particles, there are only fields https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1204/1204.4616.pdf Photons, as commonly conceived, don't exist. Only EM quanta exist. All the undergrad physics text are lying to you. If we properly taught this, we'd have to tell students that half of quantum physics also applies to simple radio circuitry ...that Stimulated Emission and Rabi-flopping aren't about photons, and that laser physics can be duplicated with an array of LC tank circuits. (N! Lasers GOTTA be QM, pure particle physics, not just some embarrassing old Ben Franklin static electricity stuff, or like dusty radio tube-receivers from back before FM was invented!! ) If... if lasers are just wave-mechanics, that requires that all the grad students would need to ACTUALLY LEARN all that physics stuff in Griffiths, rather than just temporarily memorizing it for the exam, then ignoring it all. Hitler encounters the Jackson text https://youtu.be/mm-4PltMB2A On Sat, 27 Mar 2021, Robin wrote: In reply to William Beaty's message of Fri, 26 Mar 2021 03:06:23 -0700 (PDT): My thoughts:- Since photons travel at the speed of light, if special relativity is correct, then in their own reference frame, they travel no distance, and it takes no time. Hence transmission & absorption occur concurrently and without any separation distance. This may explain the "full energy dump". BTW the full energy is not always dumped. Consider the Compton effect. ...Mechanism of WaveFunction Collapse 8/2020 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2006.11365.pdf (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:Here at UW, John Cramer teamed up with...
I missed the fact that Dr. John Cramer here in UW physics, has recently teamed up with Carver Mead (of the "Collective Electrodynamics" book,) for some optical-bench photon experiments. Go see this: https://www.geekwire.com/2020/physics-professor-tackles-one-mystery-quantum-mechanics-times-flow/ ...Mechanism of WaveFunction Collapse 8/2020 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2006.11365.pdf It's all about sharply-resonant oscillators (atoms) which can suddenly "dump" all their energy, yet have it entirely go to just one distant, identical atom, rather than spreading tiny bits to many atoms. The key is some interference patterns with time-reversed EM waves, the effect causing two distant atoms to "agree" to the full energy-dump (which was also RP Feynman's first professional physics, w/adviser JA Wheeler.) So, there are no photons after all, just EM waves? ALso, here's Cramer's recent column in 1/2021 issue of Analog SF mag: Wave Function Collapse Revealed https://www.npl.washington.edu/av/altvw210.html 9/2001 Carver Mead interview http://worrydream.com/refs/Mead%20-%20American%20Spectator%20Interview.html John Cramer is famous for his unpopular non-Schrodinger, non-Copenhagan QM theory called "Transactional Interpretation of QM." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_interpretation (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:Emdrive: laser version doesn't work
Conference paper uploaded 3/2021 YK Bae corp. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350108417_Thrust_Measurements_and_Evaluation_of_Asymmetric_Infrared_Laser_Resonators_for_Space_Propulsion The laser space-propulsion guy tested an asymmetrical laser-cavity Emdrive. Nope, no forces. Or, they're several orders below those claimed for the magnetron Emdrive (which supposedly was proved artifactual?) Also: YK Bae went for govt-approved science, yet he started out as an acupuncturist with a UC Irvine project to view acupuncture points using medical ultrasound (and fMRI.) With Joie P. Jones, they found them easily, spherical or spindle-shaped regions 1cm deep, and observed changes in realtime. But the "points" are invisible for MHz-scale ultrasound, and will only appear with custom-built instruments, where the operating frequency must be +50MHz. Their phase-array medical imager included an entire roomful of PCs. (Hmm, where is it now? When project ends, I guess you put everything out in the hall for other labs to grab?) SSE Talks - Imaging Acupuncture Points with fMRI 1/3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw_LKKZcgyw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrx4ippguIA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gdj4ex8xIQ https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4020-2402-3_66 Jones J.P., Bae Y.K., Wilson L., So C.S., Kidney D.D. (2004) Ultrasonic Imaging and Characterization of Accupuncture Points in Classical Oriental Medicine. In: Arnold W., Hirsekorn S. (eds) Acoustical Imaging. Acoustical Imaging, vol 27. Springer, Dordrecht. https://doi.org/10.1007/978-1-4020-2402-3_66 https://www.learning-mind.com/two-little-known-methods-of-seeing-human-energy-field-using-technology/ (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: toroidal waves Re: [Vo]:Wanted: rented brain
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021, Jürg Wyttenbach wrote: In the far field the toroidal field components can be (most of the time) neglected. Most of the literature about pure toroidal fields or scalar EM waves is classified. But just google some terms I gave. The Corum bros wrote the following in 2008, caduceus toroid antennas: http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Corum/Toroidal%20helix%20antenna.pdf George Hathaway had brief funding to work on toroid antenna experiments in 2011 (I don't know if this is paywalled PDF:) https://www.researchgate.net/publication/251709920_Electromagnetic_Radiation_Experiments_with_Transmitting_Contra-Wound_Toroidal_Coils Also the infamous "missing" Corum rotary-fields paper from the 1994 proceedings of Tesla Symposium is found here: https://1lib.us/book/3499511/84d6bd?regionChanged==236683546 (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Wanted: rented brain
Note that in this month's Analog SF magazine, there's a nice little FE-device inventor story, "Damocles," S. McMullen, where a WW1 death-ray invention ends up just where such inventions would end up, if actually successful. March https://www.analogsf.com/current-issue/table-of-contents/ On Thu, 18 Mar 2021, William Beaty wrote: Also OT, some crazy 2005 fiction to consider: the Aether vortical objects of N. Tesla http://web.archive.org/web/20050213014146/https://farshores.org/wmtesla.htm (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Wanted: rented brain
Cosmic strings in a garage-lab? The main thing seemingly missing from Maxwell is ...closed ring-defects or "smoke rings." They appear in fluids, but not in fluid-analogy for EM fields. Some amperes trapped in a superconducting ring are similar, but b-fields are not EM Torsion. Hugo Gernsback had tiny articles about pulsed coils which launch ring-vorticies rather than EM waves. (Where would he get such an idea?) Maybe cosmic strings are accidentally produced by sharp-pulsed circuitry? If one hits you in the face, would you feel anything? (Obviously the signature to watch for is odd EM pulses which travel far *slower* than lightspeed. If coils don't detect them, maybe an NE-2 bulb might respond? Try to persuade one to coast to a halt. (Seal it in an argon-filled Mumetal box, keep it as a pet?) RM Kiehn, heterodoxy-attracting topologist of U. Texas Houston, has this too-obscure paper below, which I've been meaning to figure out someday, found on his old site "Cartan's Corner." http://www22.pair.com/csdc/pdf/rmktop.pdf see his site: http://www22.pair.com/csdc/ New add: http://www22.pair.com/csdc/car/carfre56.htm Also, large article pdf collection: http://www22.pair.com/csdc/pdf/ Hey, Keihn autobio http://www22.pair.com/csdc/pdf/autobio.pdf list of papers: https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/R-M-Kiehn-2024567949 http://wiki.naturalphilosophy.org/index.php?title=Robert_M_Kiehn Kiehn 2017, Photons, propogating topological singularities https://tinyurl.com/kiehnsphotons (Nature of light: what is a photon?) https://www.amazon.com/Nature-Light-What-Photon/dp/0367387107/ --- Also OT, some crazy 2005 fiction to consider: the Aether vortical objects of N. Tesla http://web.archive.org/web/20050213014146/https://farshores.org/wmtesla.htm On Wed, 17 Mar 2021, Don wrote: Tutor wanted: An astute mathematical-physicist that will explain what topology is talking about in regard to electromagnetic theory, and provide contemporary speak for me to assimilate in discussion over free web-conferencing software. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Imaginary Numbers May Be Essential for Describing Reality
But this resembles the math community's much earlier hatred of Poincare' infinities, then their earlier hatred of irrationals, and even earlier hatred of negative numbers. (I remember being in third grade, and having to tolerate negative numbers while holding my nose; being sure that I'd grow up to invent a way to avoid ever using them. Gradually I became accustomed to the stench. Looks like Schrodinger was the same, regarding complex numbers.) Lewis Caroll Dodgson, lover of all things Euclidian, is rumored to have despised Imaginary numbers, and built criticism into Alice in Wonderland: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427391-600-alices-adventures-in-algebra-wonderland-solved/ Never forget, we can't have Mandelbrot set without the imaginary axis. (Well we CAN, but then it becomes ...clunky and contrived!) And also, everyone knows that pi is actually made from ln(-1)/sqrt(-1) As for the simulated universe in which we are currently embedded, lots of computation could be avoided by its algorithms, if they hold their noses and lower themselves to employing Imaginary numbers. But that layer seems accessible only indirectly by human perceptions? We experience it as phase in waves. (A square wave is the same thing as a delta function impulse, if phase between spectrum peaks is unimportant!) Also: The worlds' smartest crow observes two farmers walk into a shed, then three farmers walk back out again. The crow won't fly down to eat any corn. Obviously it's waiting for one farmer to walk back in ...so the shed becomes empty! Also: Two FE-device inventors walk into a bar... On Mon, 8 Mar 2021, H LV wrote: https://www.quantamagazine.org/imaginary-numbers-may-be-essential-for-describing-reality-20210303/ (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:maverick-sci t-shirt slogans
What's your best t-shirt idea? Also, bumber-stickers. (I find that if I give away my best ones, then EVEN BETTER ideas will appear in my head.) I'll give you my kilowatt source of relativistic hydrogen ions when you pry it from my COLD DEAD TENTACLES. ..it's not the size of your Tesla-coils, it's what you do with them. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
PHISHING SCAM Re: [Vo]:Auto Subscription Renewal Reminder
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RE: [Vo]:superluminal mind
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020, russ.geo...@gmail.com wrote: Where can I get some of what you smoke When waking up in the morning, remember NOT TO MOVE, don't open your eyes. Now try thinking. Planning. Having ideas, etc. Or, try to recall the details of one or more dreams. Early morning wakeup, that's a seriously altered state. Almost better than having ideas during highway driving for hours, late at night. As always, the trouble with pursuing altered mental states resembling a drug-addled condition is ...no drugs to wear off! Not hard to get into trouble: achieve drunkenness wo/alcohol, then cannot drive vehicles. Get into permanent insomnia, then be unable to achieve normal sleep patterns again. Or, as Salvador Dali supposedly said... "What, me take LSD? I am LSD! TAKE ME! (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:superluminal mind
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020, Don Mitchell wrote: If every neuron is synchopated with the aether, then every neuron is simultaneously aware of the same signal of 0-D mind in the aether. In a nonlocal world, there is only one object, since every place is the same place. Should we suspect that the vast population of objects (and of minds) is illusory? Every mind is actually one mind? (A very popular concept in nonwestern religion eh?) While I was recovering from a kick-ass dream, and before opening my eyes, I was thinking very clearly, and couldn't escape a single question: HOW DOES THE FREAKIN' ADDRESSING SYSTEM WORK? No answer presented itself. I think the question alone was the important thing. If we can FIGURE OUT HOW the nonlocal world can support "space" or "extension" or "multiple apparent minds," then I suspect that we'll have lept forward in understanding everything, basically all of physics. In the underlying nonlocal plenum, where everything experiences instantaneous communication, because everything occupies the same location, how can there ever be more than one electron, one photon in the universe? I suspect that the nonlocal world is nonlinear. If so, then any sort of oscillation will not occupy a spot on the frequency spectrum, because two oscillations will couple together, producing a complicated dynamic "shape" in the spectrum. I think this would lead to a frequency spectrum with multiple dimensions? Where every oscillation frequency adds a new axis to the graph? This is like a radio with many tuning knobs, and each "station" has a separate nunber-code in the knob-settings. If so, I think that would provide sufficient "space" for a universe of apparent bosons and leptons (and minds.) In that case, similar objects would be strongly coupled together, while vastly different objects would have weak coupling, and the same rule should apply across all scales. "Telepathy" would be common among each particle class (and each animal species, but weaker between disparete species. Among humans we might expect strong telepathy between identical twins? And if instantaneous telepathy is common, we might predict that, while individual amoebae, mice, etc., aren't too intelligent, the entire species might exhibit an emergent "common mind" with godlike processing power, higher power when the population is larger. Be kind to cockroaches, and the cockroach-goddess will become your friend. In any case, this would be an "Everything Is Just Frequency" theory, beloved of Nikola Tesla. Tesla was EXTREMELY involved in nonlinear arrays of coupled oscillators, calling it "method of individualization," and using the trick for secure military comms, for a sort of FM-radio he called "the static-eliminator," as well as being the secret addressing system for his power-broadcast customers. How could we engineer such a physics? It suggests that "sympathetic magic" is the fundamental physics behind known physics. To produce physical forces, or to establish communication between two distant objects, make them be similar. Suggestion: in silicon, construct two vast micro-patterns: make some 3D pseudo-crystals having precise random (or fractal) checkerboard-like patterns. Then, make sudden small changes to one, while looking for identical signals in the other. Or, monitor the noise of each one, looking for a coincidence-signal. Or perhaps do something similar by using these linked crystals to build "brains," i.e. noisy RAM storage having hysterisis, where writing a pattern to one, causes the same pattern to appear in the other. (Imagine a world where, the more Iphone-37s sold, the closer to consciousness becomes the "goddess of Iphone-37.) Thoughts, please? Might there be some hint of simultaneity that may be sensorized within our gray matter? How about a ring of dead brains kept artifically alive, where we you zap them all at the same time, it stuns nearby people? Or feed them audio suggestions, to produce mind-control of any person? I think there was a bad 1950s movie about that. (Just don't accidentally trigger an aether- tornado in the center of your ring of corpses.) The kick-ass dream, it was the third one listed below, the artificial Burning-Man tulpa-goddess: Hyper-realistic dreams http://amasci.com/dreamFeb2017.html ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beaty https://electricatechnology.com beat...@gmail.comCTO, Inventor, Research Engineer bi...@amasci.com 206-762-3818 vm5459 Wilkinson Rd, Langley, WA 98260-8700
Re: [Vo]:A Question About Paul Brown
On Tue, 22 Sep 2020, Chris Zell wrote: Does anyone have any info on this topic? It seems to me that either Paul Brown was a deliberate, calculated fraud or he discovered something of immense value. Paul Brown's warning to other experimenters http://www.padrak.com/ine/INE17.html Some cases of suppression http://web.archive.org/web/20180623085130/http://www.rense.com/general72/oinvent.htm If I understand it, Brown's main discovery was an energy-gain in radioactive wires, or within wires bathed in radiation from adjacent sources. So, today a simple test would be to continuously measure (high freq AC?) wire resistance, or perhaps measure the "Q" of a metal-enclosed LC tank circuit, then look for increased value when placed against a 'hot' radioactive sample (thin metal being a shield, to prevent capacitive changes to Q caused by movements of the sample.) I think Brown claimed to have achieved self-oscillation from this gain (so, Q becoming infinite.) But with a sensitive measurement, perhaps his discovery can be detected, while using commonly available low-level active materials: 50,000CPM carnotite from eBay, radium T/R tubes, etc. Hook an op-amp negative resistance circuit to a big coil/capacitor, adjust it for barely-stable oscillation, then see if hot samples will make oscillations start growing. old Scientific American article about triggering radio signal amplification using an antenna coated with radium As well as his multiple patents? 101 E. Water ST. Elmira, NY 14901 I grew up just across the river, in 14904 zip (just down from Janowski Gardens, over by Dunn Field!) Looking at Streetview, I see that the idiots have cut down all the trees. Elmira was once a town of tree-lined avenues everywhere. Now in comparison to 1970s, it looks like a poverty zone! ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beaty https://electricatechnology.com beat...@gmail.comCTO, Inventor, Research Engineer bi...@amasci.com 206-762-3818 vm5459 Wilkinson Rd, Langley, WA 98260-8700
Re: [Vo]:Out of 1920
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020, Frank Znidarsic wrote: with this arrangement I can unplug them. These earphones are of a 3000 ohm high impedance design. The voice coil goes over a fixed magnet. The magnet operates on a thin steel armature with no electrical connections on it. The sound is very tinny and awfull The Radiola III actually sounds much better with modern low impedance earphones. I wonder how those differed from earpieces in telephones of the time? Back then, everyone just took the "receiver" out of telephones. See Nikola Tesla's 50-microvolt radio receiver pdf below. When actually built, it turned out to be an amplifier element, with multiple LC circuits giving it "regen" bias, plus even a local BFO oscillator so that CW Morse would be heard as beeps. The Corums measure its gain as orders better than any receiver before Armstrong's regen/superregen receivers. Tesla's receiver, a parametric amplifier, slow-rotating coherer http://www.teslasociety.com/teslarec.pdf Tesla kept it secret, unpatented. The plans appeared in "Colorado Springs Notes" found in the 1970s. (The museum in Beograd had them, but wasn't releasing them until forced to publish, since the notes would harm Tesla's reputation of never taking notes, but only using his photographic memory! sheesh.) There I am hoping to live to see the upcoming modern age of the low impedance high fidelity loud speaker. Try these 1925-era science-project magazine PDFs, with loudspeaker ads. (Note that some of those science projects appear to be "lost technology" which only appears in these pdfs, but weren't published in all the Popular Electronics or Scientific American project magazines. The "matter disintegrator" project, making weird carbon compounds from methane feed into a rotary spark-gap, probably was producing Fullerenes and diamonds in gram quantities! The Experimenter https://worldradiohistory.com/The_Experimenterr.htm More, earlier: https://worldradiohistory.com/Electrical_Experimenter.htm When you find something like this from the incipient age of electrical communication and get it working, you realize how short of a time that our modern electrical age has existed. Frank Znidarsic http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/OutOf1923.jpg ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beaty https://electricatechnology.com beat...@gmail.comCTO, Inventor, Research Engineer bi...@amasci.com 206-762-3818 vm5459 Wilkinson Rd, Langley, WA 98260-8700
Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion comic book "Discover Cold Fusion"
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020, Terry Blanton wrote: L5.95GBP or ~$7.65USD, 32pp., "Limited Print Edition" w/thicker cover If you can afford it. One copy is $18.20 with shipping. I paid $54+ship for five copies, shipping appears to be flat rate $15.25USD https://www.curtis-press.com/product-category/comics/ ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beaty https://electricatechnology.com beat...@gmail.comCTO, Inventor, Research Engineer bi...@amasci.com 206-762-3818 vm5459 Wilkinson Rd, Langley, WA 98260-8700
[Vo]:Cold fusion comic book "Discover Cold Fusion"
It's out, see below! The CF comic book by Ruby C and Matt Howarth is now for sale at https://www.curtis-press.com/ and shipping next week. 5.95BPS or ~$7.65USD, 32pp., "Limited Print Edition" w/thicker cover. Send copies to just simply everyone? (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci on Fri, 11 Sep 2020, Ruby Carat wrote: I am happy to announce we now have a comic book about cold fusion and U.K. publisher Curtis-Press Publisher of Science will be shipping copies starting Sept. 21. You can order "Discover Cold Fusion" from their website at https://www.curtis-press.com/ The story is an effort to create a narrative about the controversy from the scientist's perspective and expand the awareness of the science to a wider goup. The beginning of the story is a brief history of various forms of energy that humans have used, and then our heroes are introduced. Artist Matt Howarth does a tremendous job depicting Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons as they discover cold fusion and deal with the consequences. Attached to this post is a short .pdf with the comic book cover and a (no, instead see https://www.discovercoldfusion.com/ also http://infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/ComicDiscoverColdFusion.pdf couple sample pages. These pages are the most "sciency" that it gets, and there is much of the drama that ensued after the news conference. There are cameos from the whole community of scientists who were first to try to replicate the experiment, though all the characters are more Icon than Individual. Sources for the text are listed on the website https://www.discovercoldfusion.com/. I hope you will all buy lots of copies and give them to your friends, family, and neighbors! Drop one at the dentist office. Mail one to your governing representatives. Drop one at the Boys and Girls Club, the high school science department, the college quad. Comic books are widely read these days by young and old. People will pick it up and check it out for the artwork alone, and get a dose of new science and history along with it. It is sold in the U.K. at British pounds. Here's a currency converter to help figure the cost. https://www.xe.com/ This Limited Print Edition has a slightly harder, laminated cover, different from a regular comic book paper cover, so it is a little more premium quality. Mike McKubre and Mel Miles consulted and gave lots of suggestions. However, all the story decisions made were mine and the artist's. Any flaws are my own. I hope you will enjoy this educational and fun object d'art and I look forward to your comments. With all that is going wrong in this world, I'm glad to offer something fun to hang our hope on. THANK YOU, Ruby
Re: [Vo]:Unexplained Magnetic Phenomenon EXPLAINED
There were a bunch of physics papers on the Levitron's physics. Their discoveries: 1) Levitron only works within a narrow range of RPM. Too slow, and the levitated spinning magnet becomes unstable. Too fast, and the energy-well disappears! 2) the levitated spinning disk MUST be allowed to precess freely. If precession is inhibited, the energy-well disappears. (Which of course explains why an extreme RPM will remove the necessary small precession required for stable levitation.) Levitron, hidden history http://www.roddriver.com/index_science.html http://amasci.com/maglev/lev/expose1.html --- So Hamdi, are there any "Levitron" analogous effects? Can you run this at 50,000RPM or something? Does the restoring force get any less? Or, to produce an energy-well, must the levitated magnet be free to slightly vibrate? (Try motor-assembly placed in a plastic pipe w/air pumped out, so motor-watts during the extreme RPM need not be enormous, if no air turbulence.) On Fri, 4 Sep 2020, Terry Blanton wrote: One of the things previously discussed is possible applications for such a phenomenon. Other than a toy similar to Levitron, none of us have been creative enough to come up with anything. Heh, need a radioactive airline-flight! Or just stay awake for a month using micro-sleep, a la Nikola Tesla, see: https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-become-as-much-of-a-genius-as-Nikola-Tesla About toy inventions... Note that "Levitron" was immediately stolen by the very first toy company immediately after the inventor showed it to them. The inventor never made a cent. The current Levitron-seller (in Seattle!) is the thief. Yet the inventor had already patented his device. Didn't matter. The thief immediately patented his own, but with a square base-magnet, while loudly insisting that a round base would not work (wrong, actually.) Just from my own slight experience, I personally found that the professional toy business is EXTREMELY cut-throat, and full of patholigical criminals, narcissist-liars, and all of them in top positions. To succeed in the toy biz, you need to be an employee, or perhaps a long-time famous inventor, in a solid relationship with a big manufacturer (where they dare not offend the "goose" who keeps laying their golden eggs.) That, or start your own small business, and expect your successful toy to be stolen by overseas toy manufacturers in 1-5 years ...so you'd need to already have numerous new toy-inventions in the pipeline, as older ones get stolen, and newer ones start making profits. (Patent fees, and lawyer fees for patent defense, would instantly wipe out all profits. So don't ever patent nuthun!) Heh, investment scam! Suspend your motor+magnet inside a completely soundproof capsule (perhaps a little glass vacuum globe.) Then do a scam: room temperature super-conductors now achieved! Your investors could even be allowed to handle the magic box that performs the levitation! With sufficiently good bearings, and no air-friction, perhaps the batteries would run the motor for days! lol Personally, I have wondered if the suspended magnet could be easily "handed off" to another, adjacent magnet; thus, setting up the possibility of a new type of maglev transportation device. Motors driving spinning dipole magnets, if placed near each other, should naturallylock on and synchronize. Then, what's the actual shape of the energy-well? If it could become a long narrow slot, then it might be easy to drive a suspended magnet along it. Let it slide downhill under gravity. "Superconductive" train model, just like with HTSC copper-oxide materials, but no liquid nitrogen required. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Unexplained Magnetic Phenomenon EXPLAINED
On Thu, 3 Sep 2020, Terry Blanton wrote: and suspend it in the spinning magnet's field regardless of the polarity of the stationary magnetic. A search showed that no one appears to have ever reported nor explained this phenomenon. I just assumed it was energy-wells created by inductive repulsion. Guess not! Hamdi, if you have ambition, duplicate some of your setups with ALL CONDUCTORS REMOVED. Or at the very least, use one insulating rubberized supermagnet for the rotating portion, and any old supermagnet for the non-rotator. This eliminates the electric currents and the induction-maglev artifact. I think "bonded" neo supermagnets are still available, made of neo alloy powder, mixed in flexible "rubber" polymer, so, non-conductive (but also there are no one-tesla neo rubber-magnets.) (No, I DON'T think Hamdi's discovery is just induction. But induction creates artifacts. So perhaps slap together a quick version which lacks the rotating conductors. Verify that the phenomenon still appears.) High-speed rotating conductors, placed near magnets, have energy-wells. This includes high-speed rotating neo magnets. That one infamous two-pipes maglev-device on my website is just one of many, many topologies. E.g., two thick copper strips placed parallel, moving fast in opposite directions, should stably suspend any supermagnet placed in the gap between them. Two thick copper disks, touching edges and rotating opposite, have an energy-well in the "cleft" between them, and will suspend a small supermagnet cylinder or disk. My favorite is a rotating copper donut w/wide hole, with a rotating copper disk placed in the hole, and a significant slot between the two, with the two rotating opposite (~w/30mph surface speed.) Then, place neo supermagnets in the circular slot, and adjust the RPMs of the copper parts so the suspended magnet doesn't move. (I haven't built that one. I didn't have a 500watt DC motor at the time.) All these are utterly conventional physics, as far as I know. But they could produce mysterious artifacts, when in any experiment involving high-speed rotating supermagnets, where the supermagnets are made of conductor, rather than of flexible-magnet composite material where no hundred-ampere induced currents are possible. (Heh, all these variation appeared in my mind while it was really easy to think. Not at 5AM in darkness, as is typical. Instead, it was on a airline flight (Seatac to SF,) with my head bathed in cosmic radiation which makes a geiger counter roar. All miles-high plane flights expose us to many millirems. So, try it yourself: always bring a blank notebook on the flight, and try working on old ideas etc., see if you make sudden enormous progress with new concepts flooding in. I always do this, and as a result, invariably solve problems, or get new insights, harvest "good stuff from the Aether.") Native American shaman apparently used this trick. But they employed caves having either massive Radon outgassing, or very "hot" mineral deposits. Brains bathed in low-level x-rays, such as on airline flights, will slip into slightly-altered, creative states.) http://amasci.com/maglev/magroll.html Dangerous high-speed maglev device https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glCNP6qH_Dc https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202009.0001/v1 If the pictures are not enough to interest you, here are numerous videos of his demonstration of the phenomenon: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/k16o8tomnvd0i4g/AABZtpUcSwpH7Ae6DRmSjJQta If anyone does have any comments or questions, I will be happy to forward them to Hamdi or put you in touch with him after I get his permission. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:Sturm et Drang
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020, Terry Blanton wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 3:04 AM William Beaty wrote: > > Discover Cold Fusion (w/Matt Howarth art.) > https://www.curtis-press.com/coming-soon/ Ruby is a gem! Hopefully it will get published this year to "honor" the passing of the author of Voodoo Science. Tanks, Bill! I wasn't aware of that. I found that Ruby has her own LENR forum! I'm outta the loop, I never knew! She's also occasionally over on the "vortex-L academic annex," CMNS list on google groups. You'll recall that Ed Storms & friends split off from us years ago, starting the invite-only CMNS-list in order to escape our own little no-rules troll-fest. That's worked very well for the pro discussions of LENR. Unfortunately, one of the banned vortex-L trolls was invited there, and unfortunately Ed Storms is NOT one of their moderators, and the others refuse to take appropriate action. We'll see if the troll ruins their CMNS group. He's already convinced Ed Storms to drop out. Sturm und drang! Seductive online dramas, concealed psychopaths with gigantic egos destroying online communities? Eh, it's just The Internet! It keeps on being The Internet, even when saner mines descend into complete psychological denial that ...it's still just The Internet. - "Forget it Jake. It's Chinatown" L. Walsh to J. Nicholson, from 'Chinatown' (1974) ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty, chem washington edu Research Engineer billb, amasci com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700 k
[Vo]:Cold Fusion graphic novel
They've found a publisher. No price as yet. Coming soon... Discover Cold Fusion (w/Matt Howarth art.) https://www.curtis-press.com/coming-soon/ ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty, chem washington edu Research Engineer billb, amasci com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
RE: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission
On Sat, 8 Aug 2020, bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree its not clear what I meant.. I was intending to note that the form of the energy being transmitted was avoided in the presentation. HA! They can't say "megawatts of RADIATION. It's jsut microwaves, broadcast at exactly the same frequency as your kitchen soup-nuker box." The natives would come after them with pitchforks (torches only needed if at night.) But it's OK! Since its non-ionizing radiation! And, it's not on land, and only sent above water. So it cooks migratory waterfowl. And cooks pleasure boats who aren't aware of what that long mysterious row of floating "danger buoys" actually means. ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beaty https://electricatechnology.com beat...@gmail.comCTO, Inventor, Research Engineer bi...@amasci.com 206-762-3818 vm5459 Wilkinson Rd, Langley, WA 98260-8700
[Vo]:Offshort Wind cables Re: [Vo] Wireless power transmission
On Wed, 5 Aug 2020, Terry Blanton wrote: > Similar methods have been proposed to send power to earth from orbiting solar cell arrays, and probably just as impractical. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/9/x-37b-space-planes-microwave-po wer-beam-experiment-is-a-way-bigger-deal-than-it-seems Look at their EMROD "our technology," it's almost certainly just 2.5GHz unlicenced industrial microwave, same as uWave ovens, and not at all "tight" unless we have dipole arrays tens of meters wide. Which is probably what they propose (didn't read the whole thing.) They'll need little repeaters on floating boats. Some modern microwave ovens use kilowatt FET oscillators. I've had one apart on my bench (well, it was an argon-capsule plasma lamp, but used power pcb modules from a commercial microwave oven.) The goal: for offshore wind turbines, the underwater cables cost roughly $1000USD per foot. There's BIG money in any wireless replacements for submerged megawatt power cables: wireless beams on a scale of tens of kilometers. ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beaty https://electricatechnology.com beat...@gmail.comCTO, Inventor, Research Engineer bi...@amasci.com 206-762-3818 vm5459 Wilkinson Rd, Langley, WA 98260-8700
Re: [Vo]:prevents COVID deaths...
On Tue, 14 Jul 2020, Terry Blanton wrote: Great stuff! Thanks, Bill. I saw this on reddit while I was researching unclebens I probably had sars/covid. I absolutely KNEW it wasn't that, because in January my "flu" started with intenstinal upset, and that wasn't on the list of covid symptoms (in January.) Then I totally lost the ability to smell plexi cement or acetone fumes (also not on the list of symptoms.) Then I was wiped out for a week, stayed home sleeping all day, followed by a cough for 6-8 weeks. Not as bad as a bad cold. So, clearly just normal flu. (I certainly picked it up from the student Emergency Room on UW campus, full of asian and european students in a crowd.) Weeks later I developed severe "gout" in one foot, had to get crutches in order to walk (not on the list of symptoms ca. February, so, couldn't be covid-19!!!) Very happy to see you're alive and well. I could have sworn I saw you on TV at CHAZ/CHOP one night. Only on one "Strange Evidence" episode, but I don't know if it's aired yet: the one about "Crown Flash," weird bright moving stripes above thunderstorms, I reproduced with nickel-flake suspended in water. I have a kilo of the stuff, if anyone wants a sample, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npSzPShgYFE=11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH-CAhtXBfQ ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beaty https://electricatechnology.com beat...@gmail.comCTO, Inventor, Research Engineer bi...@amasci.com 206-762-3818 vm5459 Wilkinson Rd, Langley, WA 98260-8700
[Vo]:prevents COVID deaths...
Apparently ignored treatment, doesn't impact COVID-19 virus, only prevents death from cytokine lung-destruction. Unfortunately it involves a recent (2007) breakthrough, and they used the taboo word "vitamin C," so it's being ignored. Modified H.A.T. treatment for ARDS called "M.A.T.H+" "The systematic use of the MATH+ protocol in 2 hospitals in the USA has reduced the hospital mortality from COVID-19 to approximately 3.5% June 8 https://medium.com/@joyce.kamen/no-one-told-them-how-to-save-themselves-the-covid19-tragedy-that-didnt-have-to-happen-722dbace50f9 https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf http://evms.edu/covidcare https://www.evms.edu/directory/profiles/paul-e-marik.php "Most of the physicians in the group had already been using a version of Dr. Marik's "HAT" protocol (developed for sepsis) to treat their critically ill Covid19 patients. The "HAT" protocol includes Heparin, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C) and Thiamine. But by including Methyl- prednisolone in the cocktail they gave to patients to combat the hyper- inflammation that can occur in the lungs during the advanced, critical phases of Covid19, they found that it was saving the lives of their patients who were started on it within 6 hours of entering the ER. It saved most of them from having to go into the ICU, from being placed on ventilators - and from dying." (Note that this is the steroid Hydrocortisone (or Methylprednisolone,) NOT Donald Trump's "Hydroxychloroquine.") ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beaty https://electricatechnology.com beatywj,gmail.com CTO, Inventor, Research Engineer billb,amasci. 206-762-3818 vm 5459 Wilkinson Rd, Langley, WA 98260-8700
[Vo]:BL conference, Zelenogradsk, AIS-2020/ISBL-20 (fwd)
see below.Please forward as needed! ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty, chem washington edu Research Engineer billb, amasci com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700 -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 16:00:21 +0300 To: icblch...@kpnmail.nl Subject: AIS-2020/ISBL-20 Dear Colleague! We are glad to invite you 7-13 June 2020 to 7th International Conference "Atmosphere, Ionosphere, Safety" (AIS-2020) and 15th International Symposium on Ball Lightning (ISBL-20). Anatoly Nikitin Vladimir Bychkov ( SEE pdf invite at: http://amasci.com/tesla/isbl20.pdf FIRST CALL FOR PAPERS Dec 3, 2019 for the 15th International Symposium on Ball Lightning (ISBL-20) Dear Colleague! We are pleased to inform you that the next, 15th International Symposium on Ball Lightning (ISBL-20) will be held 7-13 June 2020 in Zelenogradsk city, Kaliningrad region Russia within the framework of Section P Electromagnetic and optical phenomena in the atmosphere including long-lived and plasma objects of International Conference Atmosphere, Ionosphere, Safety (AIS-2020). We ask you: Fill the Registration form of AIS-2020. Pay the Conference fee. Before 14 February 2020: Send Proceedings text for AIS-2020 (4 pages, use Template) to the Organizing Committee of AIS-2020. Send the full text of the paper (up to 12 pages) for publication in the Proceedings of ISBL-20 to A. Nikitin (aniki...@chph.ras.ru) and V. Bychkov (byc...@gmail.com). Please use Word, font Times New Roman. For Title: 16, Bold, center. Authors: 12, Bold, center. Institution: 12, Italic, center. e-mail: 12, normal. Text: 12, normal. Margins: top 2.5 cm, left 2 cm, bottom 3 cm, right 2 cm. Figures: inserted in the text, Fig. N 12 Bold, caption 12 normal. References: 12, normal. S. Singer, The Nature of Ball Lightning. Plenum, New York, 1976. G.C. Dijkhuis, A model for ball lightning. Nature, 1980, 284, pp. 150-151. Anatoly Nikitin, Secretary of International Committee on Ball Lightning, Vladimir Bychkov, President of Russian Committee on Ball Lightning, <>
Re: [Vo]:are smartlists working? vortex-L test
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019, Jonathan Berry wrote: You've got to tell us more that that! Odd devices are my bag! It's vaguely like this one: https://www.theonion.com/we-have-confirmation-that-someone-has-tested-a-thanatos-1819584094 Next, take that concept and invent some innocuous spinoffs. Un-weaponize! We beat our deathrays into ploughshares. On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 10:16 PM William Beaty wrote: Currently looking for $2M-$3M investments to develop an odd device. I could think'a things I'd never thunk before, And then I'd sit and think some more! "If I only had a brain" Judy Garland lyrics(c)Sony/ATV Music Pub LLC ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty, chem washington edu Research Engineer billb, amasci com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700 (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
RE: [Vo]:are smartlists working? vortex-L test
Wow, for a second I thought I was in a time warp! No, THIS is a timewarp. 1986 MTV video: Reich Cloudbuster (Kate Bush) https://youtu.be/pllRW9wETzw https://www.dazeddigital.com/music/article/27217/1/the-story-behind-kate-bush-s-cloudbusting-video BTW "Smartlists" are unix email listservers, such as Vortex-L PS Currently looking for $2M-$3M investments to develop an odd device. ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty, chem washington edu Research Engineer billb, amasci com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
[Vo]:alive
Alive again, after a massive security-updating across multiple local serviers broke various things. On Tue, 15 Oct 2019, Terry Blanton wrote: Watch out where the huskies go And don't you eat that yellow snow. We're NOT IN ALASKA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9-h-reTUNk (That was shot before iphones existed, using the first selfi-stick evar!) (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:are smartlists working? vortex-L test
test (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:test2
test -- ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ wbeaty, uw edu Research Engineer billb, amasci com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 206-543-6195Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195
[Vo]:test
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Re: [Vo]:Steorn Orbo cube phone-charger ~$1300
On Wed, 9 Dec 2015, Esa Ruoho wrote: > What is different about an Orbo power cell, and again, we showed a > brief example of building, hand-building a very simple cell is that, > first of all, it is not an electrochemical device, so there is no ion > transfer, there's no electrolyte and so forth. If the plates charge up repeatedly, that's DC output. There must be a charge-pump effect involved, and a complete conductive path. The electret wax is a resistor, just one with a large value, and it completes the circuit through the stack of dissimilar metals, as with any battery or capacitor. Then the question is, is the charge-pump created from chemical breakdown of the dissimilar metals, or from something anomalous? Easy test: treat it as a battery, and see how long it takes to run down. Best would be to use very, very thin metal in the construction, so that any "battery capacity" would necessarily be quite short. That would quickly expose the anomalous energy output, because the device would keep going way past chemistry, way past nuclear. Or to perpetrate a hoax, use very thick metal on purpose, so we mix "anomaly" and "battery" to avoid the possibility of genuine testing. If it's inexpensive piezo energy-harvesting without ceramic and diode, then WAY COOL! Test it by isolating it vibration-free, see if it stops working after xx months. That measures the primary-battery component of the total energy output. > So, in order to demonstrate the fundamental difference between an Orbo > power cell and the traditional battery, what we're going to do is > short it out, and we're going to leave it shorted out approximately > 30 minutes, and then demonstrate that the voltage in open-circuit > immediately bounces back to this 2.5 odd volts. That's just wrong. They have to short it out for a time proportional to the internal resistance. If they have, say, 100,000x higher resistance than a normal battery, then for an equivalent demo, they'd have to short it out for 100,000X longer. With large internal resistance, shorting the battery using this internal resistance as a load. What if the resistance is 10K ohm? Is it an effective test to place a ?10K? resistor across a battery for a half hour? Nope, 100K hours would be more like it. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Steorn Orbo cube phone-charger ~$1300
On Wed, 9 Dec 2015, esa ruoho wrote: Bill, is that based on what you read on the transcripts? They do state that it seems like a galvanic cell but doesn't work like it. Yes, just the transcripts. Initially I assumed that it was "Orbo," meaning a rotary or vibrating device with coils. The main signature of a scam would be a large battery, but with very high series resistance, so requiring months to measure the amp-hours or to intentionally exhaust the cell. So, no prompt simple method to prove it's just a battery. Seems perfect setup for scammers. As with CF experiments, we could estimate the total battery-joules based on metal mass, plus any joules stored by dielectric absorption, then see if the device puts out far, far larger net energy. With used car dealers, sellers of secret maps to gold mines and of FE/OU devices, I assume that they're lying, then look for any evidence of honesty. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Steorn Orbo cube phone-charger ~$1300
On Wed, 9 Dec 2015, esa ruoho wrote: Bill, here's another claim from Shaun McCarthy: A: You will never need to charge an ophone So, just wait to see if it's real. If Steorn has a sudden reversal, and can finally show genuine stuff, then yay, at last! But if they're scammers, then ophone has an obvious function: vaporware, and only there to make the orbo box look more legit, so more people lose $1300. When in doubt, remember the 'first law' of FE/OU hobby, which is never reach for your wallet no matter what! :) ...unless it's to fund the wbeaty cosmic energy extractor(tm)!! (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Steorn Orbo cube phone-charger ~$1300
On Wed, 9 Dec 2015, Bob Higgins wrote: This motor is certainly not a perpetual motion machine, but it is an electrostatic motor. It bears a striking resemblance to a Wimshurst generator, which could be used as a motor, and also to Jefimenko's electrostatic motors. Electrostatic motors are real - the original demonstration may not have been faked. The Earth's electric field varies from 500V/m to >50kV/m and this can be harvested to do work as Jefimenko showed with his motors (I have an electronic copy of his book somewhere). Yeah, Jefimenko couldn't get them to turn using balloon-wire antennas, until they tried it from the top of a parking garage. Nearby buildings had been acting as a shield, and their balloon-wire wasn't high enough. Indoors, the shielding effect is 100%. Weird: the orbo box (maybe) is based on the same electret-like effect that (maybe) is powering the black disk electrostatic motor. Maybe! Both may rely on insulators actually being large resistors. Also, here's a cool one below, dunno if it's been discussed: Waller motor, electrostatic PM hoax? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YreCJDvIX2Q (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:Steorn Orbo cube phone-charger ~$1300
Phone charger version.Heh, buy a bunch as xmas gifts! http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2015/12/steorn_taking_orders_for_ocube_preorders.html http://boingboing.net/2015/12/08/free-energy-for-sale-steorn.html http://steornnews.com/ https://www.facebook.com/Orbo-217496297671/timeline/ ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty, chem washington edu Research Engineer billb, amasci com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
Re: [Vo]:Steorn Orbo cube phone-charger ~$1300
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015, Terry Blanton wrote: Sorry, Bill, Shaun (Sean) McCarthy just announce that they won't be available until late January. DON'T BUY! Seriously. Steorn appears to be making Volta's mistake. (Or, it's a devious hoax based on Volta's mistake.) Alessandro Volta believed that voltaic-pile batteries were free-energy devices, and would last forever. He called it "electrification by contact." (As opposed to his detractors' chemistry-driven theories.) The "dry piles" of DuLuc and Zamboni appeared to support this, since they provide microwatts for centuries. WHen using high-resistance electrolyte and such a low power-drain, it's nearly impossible to measure the amp-hour rating of Dry Piles by running down the battery to zero. Dry Piles use paper as a solid electrolyte. The mistake is in believing that insulators are insulating. No, insulators are actually just electrolytic conductors of high resistance. If we use carnuba/beeswax "electret wax" to form a battery, it will only supply power until the dissimilar metals provided by the electrodes are exhausted. (Well, in theory only one plate will be destroyed during normal batt operation.) So, wanna make a "Volta hoax?" Then use a large mass of metal (lots of fuel, high amp-hours,) and use high-resistance solid electrolyte which prevents anyone from rapidly extracting kilojoules and exhausting the battery within hours. Then include a "no repairs" clause, so when their extremely expensive and perfectly conventional battery stops working, nobody can complain. --- Also, here's a cool one below, dunno if it's been discussed: Waller motor, electrostatic PM hoax? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YreCJDvIX2Q It might genuinely operate as shown, if the plastic disk had first been "charged" by rubbing with fur. If true, sell it as a toy! Or, if fur-rubbing can't provide sufficient energy to spin the wheel, instead use dielectric absorption, "capacitor soakage" with a 20KVDC supply and wetted metal electrodes (or conductive rubber, for intimate surface contact with surfaces of the plastic disk.) Deeply charge up the plastic disk, then add the foil rectangles later. The "de-sorption" of charge from the plastic should re-charge the foil slowly, and run the motor perhaps for many minutes, perhaps hours. The wood in the video would serve as a conductor, so those who build a plastic model would fail. Replications: w/6KV supplyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S072ScKjx8s Fake, w/#40ga connecting wires https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfSydbKEBpQ w/VDG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiqEtigpJaI Available again are high-volt negative-ionizer blocks, $4 power supplies, 6K to 8K VDC, on eBay, search eBay: anion 12v I found that these work fine if powered by two 9V batt connected as 18V, and only draw excess current at input of 20V and above. Crank the supply down to zero, and the KV output decreases roughly in proportion. Build a many-KV variable bench supply for electrostatics. Output below 10uA. I haven't tried buying ten for series connection, and rigging up a 100KV supply powered by independent floating batteries. On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 6:29 PM, William Beaty <bi...@eskimo.com> wrote: Phone charger version.Heh, buy a bunch as xmas gifts! http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2015/12/steorn_taking_orders_for_ocube_preorders.html http://boingboing.net/2015/12/08/free-energy-for-sale-steorn.html http://steornnews.com/ https://www.facebook.com/Orbo-217496297671/timeline/ ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty, chem washington edu Research Engineer billb, amasci com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700 (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:NO RELIGIOUS WARS. Vortex-L turned back on
Vortex is here as a safe harbor, without any believer/disbeliever battles pushing out the tech; the CF/OU/odd-physics. Aha! Every time these start up, we can't point to RULE 2, since it only forbids scoffer-vs-woo, yet the usual problem has been religion. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:NO RELIGIOUS WARS. Vortex-L temporarily suspended.
Politics and/or religion causes problems on any forum. This latest episode is mostly from a banned user who subscribed himself under a different name.He's no longer on vortexB either. To the remaining subscribers: Vortex-L is a tech list. If you believe you have justification for using Vortex to post personal religious stuff or Christian prosthelytizing, you're on the wrong forum, and at any time may be banned as an internet troll. For anyone facinated by people who are Jesus-loving bible-thumping tools of satanic evil (heh!), go find Peck's book The People of the Lie: hope for healing human evil. Enlightening as to the psychology, but perhaps a bit too much of exorcist for some tastes. The central defect of the evil ones is not the sin, but their refusal to acknowledge it. A concise definition of flamer/liar/borderline/fsckhead (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:new free-energy magazine, some lenr
http://coldfusionnow.org/pulse-magazine-debuts-with-first-issue-as-premium/ Content issue #1 * Energy turnaround or revolution * Close Encounters * 10.000 euro for Global BEM * Yildiz all-magnet motor postponed * Defkalion develops household device * Conference 2013 * Awakening * Ancient energy generating stone structures * Energy of Love * Changing the world * Post conference blues * Conference 2012 * Column: Ill fares the globe * Media affilliates (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?
On Wed, 5 Jun 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote: They only reacted this way to cold fusion. I will never understand why. Well, CF is an example of traditional alchemy: transmutation of elements via basic chemistry. If CF is real, then not only does this demonstrate that modern chemistry has a huge hole in it, and the hole has been carefully maintained by hundreds of experts over centuries ...but sitting in that hole are woo-woos: crowds of Crackpot CF True Believers who've been right all along. It means that the Knigts of Scientific Purity and Rightness are shown to be bullies who were beating up innocent victims, and worse, shown to be doing it because they never bothered to read a single thing about the topic that wasn't their own propaganda. If CF is real, then you just know that all the major magazines and news outlets will focus on how the disbelief caught fire; on a certain physics meeting where the outbreak of sneering first started, and on the ones who led it. The CF-supporters will be promoted, perhaps to department heads and controllers of funding. The powerful suddenly have bosses with old grudges to satisfy. CF-deniers are suddenly seen as the symbol of everything that's wrong with the modern world. Crowds of screaming undergrads dance around bonfires made of old paper journals and magazines, each copy found to contain a column by Park. Maybe even Physics itself will fall, losing any hope of major funding for decades as everyone piles onto the CF bandwagon, and all the young students will want to emulate famous chemists (or famous crazy gold-makers.) (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:MODERATOR: cude removed for constant rule2 violation
Agreed, Mr. cude doesn't seem to be able to control himself. Yes, every once in a while we pick up a staunch Skeptic who can't seem to read Rule 2. I have no rule against trolls here. And I have little problem with small-s skepticism. But in part, rule 2 is there to stop the irrational types whose intellectually dishonest, even anti-science behavior tends to ruin any thoughtful discussion or even to drive out all else. http://amasci.com/weird/vmore.html Remember, the core symptom of pseudoscience is the inability to either admit errors or to re-think earlier conclusions. Pseudoscientists display utterly certain knowledge and little tentative attitude. This, as opposed to we Crackpots :) whose main symptom is to take seriously the things which can't possibly be real since The Scientists would already have discovered this. And also remember, those like Cude are the very reason why Vortex-L exists. We need odd science discussions without heavy moderator censorship and constant banning, but also without the time-wastage and disruptions from crowds of the un-swayable activist Disbeliever persuasion. Again I find that even one such Disbeliever can be trouble. Mr. Cude is removed to VortexB.To pursue that stuff, subscribe to vortexB-L same way as with vortex-L. PS Again, (and again and again), any who wish to appear as being scientific should USE REAL NAMES HERE. Highly profesional is: as in academia, put CV and contact info in your sig on each and every msg. What you say will stick to you forever, so merely remain on best behavior always. If you're a lowly grad student or an uneducated amateur, be proud of this fact and advertise it. This sort of bend-over-backwards honesty shows that you really get what science is about, and it draws far higher respect from your colleagues than hiding behind a fake username. Anonymity tends to be toxic. But as for lacking real credentials... There are children playing in the street who could solve some of my top problems in physics, because they have modes of sensory perception that I lost long ago. - R. Oppenheimer http://amasci.com/weird/skepquot.html Nice quote on the WP page on pseudoskepticism: ...today genuine skepticism of the benign sort that looks evenly in all directions and encourages the advancement of knowledge seems vanishingly rare. Instead, we find a prevalence of pseudo-skepticism consisting of harsh and invidious skepticism toward one's opponents' points of view and observations, and egregious self-congratulatory confirmatory bias toward one's own stances and findings, misrepresented as the earnest and dispassionate pursuit of clinical, scholarly, and scientific truth. Scientist-skeptics are, ideally, humble and self-critical besides being abnormally honest. If we observe no trace of either one, that's when we know we're dealing with a faker. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Newbie
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, Roger B wrote: I have been a lurker for a short while, but I figured if skeptopaths are allowed here, I should also be accepted. Hm, better read MODERATOR message.Deal harshwy with those that transgwess the unwritten lawr. But it's not unwritten: http://amasci.com/weird/vmore.html Best is if you put on your Crackpot Pants and indulge a bit in teh crazy. (That's highly recommended behavior if one is skeptopath at heart.) The x-ray laser backscatter CIA satellites are imaging your brain right now, you know? Their beams are pulsed to cleverly mimic cosmic ray background on a gm counter, but I know better, I KNOW! Oh and then carefully avoid Oh Please, Facepalm, Yeah Rght, and these below: derogate stigmatize disparage belittle trivialize vilify ridicule scoff impugn besmirch badmouth use innuendo tarnish traduce revile archly disapproving disapproval! demean denigrate discredit denounce downplay discount dump on devalue disbelieve disgrace deride excoriate Floccinaucinihilipilificate slander smear lambaste mock lampoon malign minimize marginialize calumniate vituperate negatively label (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
RE: [Vo]:Newbie
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, Roger B wrote: That is a description, not a rule. Debunking and pathological skepticism is banned. Perhaps I should add if you don't identify as True Believer, the owner might remove you at any time. But vortex is not a CF list. If someone is a electric-water-vortex anomaly follower, but angrily disbelieves eCat stuff, then they need to shut up about it and stay on topic with electrostatics applied to experimental fluid dynamics. I know all about freedom of speech and openness and all that. Nope, no freedom. This is a non-exclusive cocktail party in a private home ...though nearly everyone here is a party-crasher, rather than being selected for inclusion by the host. Keep up the cocktail party manners. On the other hand we do have a dirt lot out back for people who can't steer clear of religion/politics/etc and simply MUST respond to any insult. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: A question that hasn't been asked is WHY many pseudoskeptics seem to pursue rabid vendettas against issues like UFOs, or CF LENR, relentlessly so. Another method is to query your own Skeptic side. What I find in there is something simple: the goal is not to spread correct knowledge or to teach the ignorant, nor is the goal to discover Truth or even Reality. The goal is TO WIN, to win a heroic battle against an inferior, subhuman, disgusting foe who threatens to contaminate Purity. But as you say, this is often a matter of psychological projection, and the Skeptic is actually fighting their own inner Woo-woo or spiritual believer. Perhaps they're trying to wipe out their own inner Scientist who wants to strip off the cloud of dishonest BS and drill down to the truth. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:MODERATOR: andrewppp removed
On Wed, 29 May 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote: Whoa! That seems precipitous. He did not seem so bad to me. It was temporary, but may be permanent. Crackpot or no, if someone simply cannot lower themselves to obeying the one basic rule here, and absolutely will not apologize or even admit to slightest error ...then the rule functions as planned. Going further: vortex is basically an ongoing party in a private home. But the party's not exclusive and invitation-only. Instead, there's a simple rule posted in the kitchen for all to see. It's a test. It's intended to detect personal character: to rapidly expose the uncivilized disrespectful host-insulters before their poisonous behavior has much of a chance to ruin the ongoing festivities. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:MODERATOR: andrewppp removed
multiple violations of rule 2. (I suspect that he didn't read the rules before subscribing.) (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:eskimo still down
Apparently list servers at eskimo are down. Owner Bob D. had been making major changes to spam filtering to prevent bouncing Ed and others. So, this very message vanished without a trace, right? Or are ONLY msgs from the users inside eskimo.com accepted? While waiting, go see new files: N. Tesla FAQ (some new info) http://amasci.com/tesla/teslafaq.html Tesla's secrets, what WERE they? http://amasci.com/tesla/tesecr1.html Wardenclyffe stuff http://amasci.com/tesla/wardenclyffe.html (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:another test ignore
ignore
[Vo]:eskimo list service down
Appears that list server at eskimo is down. If this one is seen, it's because one user's direct Whitelisting of one addr does work!
[Vo]:eskimo.com list service down
Appears that list server at eskimo is down.If this one is seen, it's because direct Whitelisting of one addr does work.
[Vo]:test
(( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:skepticism versus Debunkers
On Sun, 12 May 2013, Kevin O'Malley wrote: We need to know where to draw the line. Which facts do we consider so obvious that when someone denies them, they're a debunker rather than small 's' skeptic. Nah, because we become debunkers only if we start logging onto forums in order to crusade against the sad muddled beliefs of their users. For example, I don't subscribe to crazy Phrenologist belief systems, or even UFO stuff. Does that make me a Debunker? Nooo, I just disbelieve, yet I have zero interest in those topics. And if a pro-N-rays thread takes off here, that's no prob, even though I'm a complete Disbeliever. Again, everyone please read: http://amasci.com/weird/vmore.html, it's basically the Rule II details. Small-s is just normal scientific critical analysis, while large-S refers to the Skeptic Activists, to crusaders, to people who go out searching for inferior deluded minds to set right. Large-S is the self-described 'Skeptics' who've made up their own minds 100%, and who now are selecting evidence in order to preserve this decision. (A side issue would be folks like Leroy Ellenberger, a former TB follower of Velikovski who became an over-the-top sneering critic. Heh, any pro-CF people getting disillusioned, and want to launch a debunking crusade?) So, is it OK for debunkers to come here and debate, as long as they stay polite? Debunkery without sneering? Nope. It's still DEBUNKING, attack by a convinced disbeliever, and is a useless and endless battle. It is not a debate unless both sides are able to put themselves in the other guy's shoes, or at least to shift their views according to evidence. As I said, Debunkers are our police force, and it's easier to convince a cop that burglary is OK, than to convince a debunker that CF isn't pure garbage needing to be stamped out. We can mount all sorts of pro-burglary arguments to send to the police. They won't even read them, unless it's to find more stupidity to dissect. But that means they're SELECTING DATA, ignoring anything that might harm their confident stance in their own rightness!!! Yes, of course. Debunkers and police are supposed to be the opposite of scientists: they won't give one thought to criticizing their own position, especially when they're hip deep in bad guys; bad guys who are trying to shatter their confidence and convert them into criminals, or at least turn them into self-questioning wimpy fence-sitters. So, if one wants to be entirely safe on vortex-L, then before deciding to launch a solid and well-investigated criticims of the flaws of CF, you really need to be a long-time CF believer. Or at least be very obviously undecided and open-minded about it. Staunch disbelievers who actively launch criticism, that's what Debunkers are, and that's who vortex-L is designed to exclude. PS All this is modeled on many other real life wack-o alt-science communities, communities where one segment may despise some of the beliefs of another. The UFO people rubbing shoulders with astrologers. They all get along by the simple trick of refusing to criticize the contemptible incorrect beliefs of fellow community members. If they want to debunk someone's dangerous craziness, they go well outside the community to do it. Ah, here's another aspect. Does someone say to you, I totally disagree with what you're staying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it? Yes? Then they're probably no Debunker. In my experience, debunkers want their targets silenced. Their core attitude might or might not be hidden, but it involves disrespect, even disgust. (I.e. our police force is contemptuous of the Perps, and hopes to see the bad guys removed from society, not given a soapbox.) (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:MODERATOR: J. Cude, extensive Rule 2 violations
On Sun, 12 May 2013, Eugen Leitl wrote: Which would be in violation of Rule 2, as well. How about this part: Note that small-s skepticism of the openminded sort is perfectly acceptable on Vortex-L. We crackpots don't want to be *completely* self-deluding. :) The ban here is aimed at Debunkers; at certain disbelief and its self-superior and archly hostile results, and at the sort of Skeptic who angrily disbelieves all that is not solidly proved true, while carefully rejecting all new data and observations which conflict with the widely accepted theories of the time. But if you wish to adopt a prior stance of disbelief before investigation, and then become selective of evidence, and then permanently maintain your viewpoint against any changes whatsoever, and label this being skeptical ...that belongs on some other forum. Try JREF and others listed on my page at http://amasci.com/weird/wskept.html This old essay on the scientific attitude hits it exactly: Keep your bead on the wire http://amasci.com/freenrg/bead.html Science is above all tentative. People with sliding beads regarding CF (etc.) are not debunkers. And debunkers are not scientists, debunkers are the police who know the law and who chase the bad guys. Who then decides whether a crime has been committed: who the bad guys are? That's the judiciary. But the Skeptic community has none who can, for example, globally write a law after *extensive openminded investigation,* a law which declares that CF is True Bunk, and now sends the entire skeptic community down upon us. Or a law saying CF is still not settled and open to question, and all debunkers are legally required to leave those guys alone and go concentrate as usual on the ripoffs and the self-promotors of truely dangerous ignorance. It seems that anything (to put it politely) is on-topic here but a critical view on LENR. Nope. I respond to complaints, and especially to large amounts of traffic coming from someone using a fake name. If you want to be devil's advocate, just don't be an avowed debunker, and please include a sig to let us see your CV etc. (Heh, I still haven't added a forum rule about the continuing problem of people who use fake names to avoid any need to man up and take personal responsibility. Too many need to use fake names for legit reasons.) (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:MODERATOR: J. Cude, extensive Rule 2 violations
On Sat, 11 May 2013, Joshua Cude wrote: I'm not interested in an inaccessible (non-archived) list like vortex-b, so I'll just slink away. I may post a few responses to Rothwell's latest replies over on wavewatching.net/fringe if they tolerate it. Or, just stick with the greater world of weird-but-nonCF subjects, where you see that the evidence is not yet decisive, and there's low chance of triggering a Believer vs. Debunker debate. This isn't a CF-only forum, though it tends to function as one! :) I push the crackpot-friendly aspect as a long-time experiment in Provisional Acceptance of crazy hypotheses. Currently in science, at least where weird topics are concerned, we instead operate with a philosophy of Provisional Disbelief, where we allow the evidence convince us to change our minds. But since disbelief is itself a strong bias, what happens if we test the opposite technique, and provisionally accept weird topics in order to study them?Just try it, and everyone attacks you: You actually BELIEVE in that crap?!! ANYONE WHO TAKES THAT STUFF SERIOUSLY IS A CRACKPOT. And of course the uncritical Believers want to welcome you into the fold. This above situation strongly suggests that certain topics have never been given a chance in the past. If each time someone tries to give them a chance, and is stopped by colleages, then we may actually have no idea whether those topics are truely Woo or not, since nobody is allowed to take them seriously enough to properly do the homework before making an informed decision. If we have to take on the (perceived) crackpot mantle in order to do proper homework, then that's exactly what's needed: declare oneself to be a True Believer Raving Loonie, then have at it. (Perhaps use a fake name here in order to protect one's professional rep.) http://amasci.com/weird/vmore.html Even so, I believe that many scientists have a habit of rejecting new ideas because they unknowingly maintain an illusory worldview which is based on concensus of colleagues, rather than upon evidence, and as a result they become irrational. They become very intolerant of all ideas which violate that consensus, and will instantly and thoughtlessly reject the evidence supporting such ideas. This forum is for scientist-types (including amateurs!) with a low tolerance for anything resembling mob-rule, and a high tolerance for those crazy hypotheses. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:Testing pyramid power!
Raving loonie True Believer stuff! Daiso, the Japanese dollar-store, has replacement blades for hair cutter. They're double-edged razor blades! Ten for a buck. Finally I can build an ultra-black beam-dump. Thick stacks of double-edge razor blades are used as high-power beam dumps in research. The optical wattage goes in, but it don't come back out. Why Pyramid power? RAZOR BLADES duh. In theory we can easily test edge-sharpness by measuring optical return from the hyper-blackness effect created by a screw-clamped stack of razor blades. No need to actually shave, since any contact with a hard object tends to ruin the blackness of the http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/blade.htm beam dump. Then, can any anomalous process restore the damage? Exposure to moonlight while aligning them to magnetic north? Placing inside a cardboard cube while thinking Geller-spoonbending thoughts? Slowly rotate your cardboard Cheops, and plot the sharpening effect vs magnetic north alignment. If this works as a receiver, we can try sending (perhaps very slow) Morse Code in the form of Spoonbending Radiation to trigger the metal-memory healing of the damaged-bladestack receiver. Maybe even detect cosmic signals from remote alien civilizations which have no need of cartridges for Schick Disposable with octo-blade shaving system. (yes, disposables are up to seven blades currently.) (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:MODERATOR: J. Cude, extensive Rule 2 violations
Please immediately move all debunking to VortexB-L. Vortex' Rule 2 is intended to prevent debunking-based postings here. Also please read: On Wed, 8 May 2013, Edmund Storms wrote: What is the usefulness of all this discussion. Cude will not accept the most obvious and well supported arguments and he will not accept what I just said here. Yes, such discussions usually prove pointless. A simple problem with a simple solution: DEBUNKING IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN ON VORTEX-L. If you see some, it's probably coming from someone who didn't read the forum rules: http://amasci.com/weird/wvort.html#rules It's not just about no sneering. Skeptics are not welcome here. Vortex-L exists to provide a Believer forum which stays far away from the message traffic and time wasted in discussions with staunch non- Believers. There's plenty of other groups for such topics if you want to indulge (including vortexB-L.) And, if rule #2 isn't clear enough, well, here's the expanded version: http://amasci.com/weird/vmore.html Note well: I started this group as an openminded quiet harbor for interested parties to discuss the Griggs Rotor away from the believer-skeptic uproar on sci.physics.fusion. It quickly mutated into a believers forum for discussion of cold fusion and other anomalous physics. I created Rule #2 to prevent this list from becoming another battleground like the sci.physics.fusion newsgroup. Be warned: IF YOU SELF-IDENTIFY AS NON-WOO, THEN YOU COULD BE REMOVED FROM THE FORUM AT ANY TIME. PS Hey, part of that old article in THE SKEPTIC is now on google books... Skepticism and Credulity, Finding balance between Type-I and -II errors http://goo.gl/jU5Zf Another one: BERKUN, Why smart people defend bad ideas http://scottberkun.com/essays/40-why-smart-people-defend-bad-ideas/ (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb amasci comhttp://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:SPAMASSASSIN bounces, problems fixed?
Is anyone still having any of ther vortex postings bounce, with spamassassin warnings?Should be working OK currently. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:SPAMASSASSIN bounces, problems fixed?
On Sun, 5 May 2013, William Beaty wrote: Is anyone still having any of ther vortex postings bounce, with spamassassin warnings?Should be working OK currently. DOH! Contact me at beat...@gmail.com (since amasci/eskimo would in theory bounce.) (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down
On Mon, 15 Apr 2013, David Roberson wrote: Good point Eric. I saw a short video and the fan blade was tiny. About the size of a large model plane prop. I would guess a couple of watts, but it is difficult to determine. A fan is unprofessional, it's a publicity stunt, a distraction. If they're *calculating* the fan wattage, be even more suspicious. They could be way off, using it to fool themselves, or even choosing such a method to avoid simple obviuous tests. Instead, ignore the calcs and get an empirical estimate by running an exactly identical fan device with a DC motor, and measure the operating volts/amps. Or better, get rid of the fan, instead use their device to power a DC generator hooked to a resistor. But that would be simple unavoidable truth, not a flashy fan which performs *apparently* impressive work, while actually their watt claims may evaporate if investigated. Estimating magnet energy: if your magnet is composed of many long thin magnet rods, you can let each rod flip over into attractive mode while performing some work. When half the rods have flipped, and you have a random pack of strongly-attracting NSNS rods, that's a fairly close approximation to an unmagnetized material. Unmagnetized doesn't exactly mean random, instead it means that all the flux paths are circles confined within the metal. Also this: Unmagnetized: Two horse-shoe magnets held N-to-S to form a closed ring, with zero flux outside the metal. Magnetize: Force one of the horse-shoes to rotate 180deg to again form a ring, but where the N pole is now against the N-pole of the other, and the flux from both halves is extending out into surrounding space. And, the net work needed to rotate one horseshoe against repulsion? That's the energy needed for magnetizing. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 19:20:59, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: I can probably prove the reality of this to anyone interested with the investment of only 2-3 minutes and no materials needed. OK. No materials, so this sounds like a subjective-perception 'psychic phenomenon' demo? Much more convincing is to discover an effect which lacks any human component. Fire aether-balls at a microphone membrane? Also: On Tue, 16 Apr 2013, David Roberson wrote: That is an interesting idea, but I continue to have a difficult time accepting the concept that there is one special velocity... The old Luminiferous Aether implied absolute position and velocity, as if space was filled with water. The Luminiferous Aether was debunked. Beware of semantic problems, since Luminiferous Aether does not equal aether in general. I think Einstein said something like this: of course aether exists, did you think that the vacuum possesses no characteristics at all? In that case, Alcubierre space warp is Einstein Aether starship propulsion. And perhaps we can build a cutting tool which shoots out little blobs of cosmic inflation? :) (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:sellng a perpetual-motion magnet toy
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013, Terry Blanton wrote: Just one other statement. Magnets in repulsion can be made to appear to be successful in a magmo. But the magnets are degraded in each cycle of the motor, much like striking the magnet with a hammer in each cycle. Eventually it fails. That might be the key to making a successful toy: a PM machine which runs for impressively long time, then needs refueling. Some toys even create millionaires. If the toy could use ceramic or alnico magnets which become weakened, then the owner could easily refuel by using a neo magnet to restore the pattern of poles which powers the flywheel. No expensive cap-discharge magnetizers needed, so the selling price wouldn't exclude it from toy catalogs. The work done by your hands is re-magnetizing the magnets and then powering the flywheel. From older msgs: in a cycle, move two repelling north poles apart, then weaken one or both, then bring them back together. They will accelerate. But normally the poles will be weakened when forced into close separation, and that decellerates the motion. Also, the process of demagnetizing a magnet will require work and produce heating, so the energy being produced by the weakening flywheel must be more than enough enough to power the demagnetizer mechanism. A simple rotor-stator might be found to accelerate, if built from both ceramic and neos, or from two materials of differing hysterisis curves, or from poles of asymmetric sizes (wide ones interspersed with narrow ones.) Or perhaps a pair of stacked rotors could do it more easily, or concentric cylinders. Magnetic motors working in attraction mode do not degrade the magnets; but, my experience is that the cycle is conservative. That mode might be harnessed also: in a cycle, bring two ceramic magnet poles together in attraction, use a tiny neo magnet to weaken one, then let them coast apart to their original separation. The big question: which industry is more likely to attract workshop break-ins or murder attempts: the free energy biz, or the cutthroat toy biz? :) (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
RE: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Pardon if this is old news, but a 'spin battery' is potentially a very efficient energy source. From the presentation: The Spin Battery -- Stewart E. Barnes http://www.physics.miami.edu/~barnes/SpinBattery.pdf Cool! For non-nanoparticle magnets, I thought it was more in the range of joules per cc for magnetizing typical PM magnets, not kilojoules per cc. A non-free-energy magnet motor might put out impressive wattage if it had enough KG of magnets in its moving parts. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:test, is it alive?
eskimo.com ISP is transferring the software to a new machine. Something went wrong? (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down
On Wed, 10 Apr 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote: You gotta love magic magnet motors. So beguiling! Reports like this come in every year or so. Nothing ever seems to come of them. The person demonstrating the motor never produces 10 of them to sell to other people, or does anything else. 1. Figure out a flywheel-toy which employs a very slight conventional static b-field force to power the flywheel, and at the same time is demagnetizing some permanent magnets. 2. Futz with your design until it can keep itself spinning for several hours before requiring that the magnets be repositioned. 3. PROFIT :) I don't know if such a thing is even possible. But from the history of the magnet motor crowd, probably it can be done, just as long as the rotor has near zero load and only must supply frictional losses to some extremely low-friction bearings. I once offered one of these people $10,000 for a copy. After a few days he politely declined. You're an obvious idea-thief! :) Trying to walk away with billions which should be his alone!!! He'd better bury his device in his back yard and stop discussing it, the way Clem supposedly did with the self-running vegetable-oil rotor engine. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:rather big fragment of the Chelyabinsk is discovered (fwd)
Chondrite. Only small hunks, not 'big' In Russian, but look at the picture! http://www.mk.ru/science/space/article/2013/02/22/816801-chelyabinskiy-meteorit-priletel-v-moskvu.html Translate: http://goo.gl/GnhJ3 (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb amasci comhttp://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:[OT]: anomalous aluminum part in old coal
O.O.P.A., 7 inches long http://goo.gl/ZE0wT utaot.com http://joy4mind.com/?p=7835 page in Russian (lots more details) Jeeze, don't just take the friggin' thing OUT of the coal hunk!!! Need sections in place, so we can see if the coal details followed the metal chunk. Similar problem: human footprints in Cretaceous limestone. Could coal be anoxia enough to keep Al in metallic form for hundreds of megayears? Water plus dissolved CO2? Gold jewelery I could see, but why wouldn't Al slowly steal O2 from H2O and CO2? (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013, Harry Veeder wrote: It seems to Google is complicit in the proliferation of youtube hoaxers and scammers because they reward them with ad revenue. Even education companies are getting in on the FE-hoax thing: ENGINEERING MUSEUM: Magnet-driven cart http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHDFxm7ZU4Q (From http://www.veproject1.org/) Build one of those up in orbit, and it'll take off right out of the galaxy?:) Of course it harnesses The Hutchison Effect(tm) ...same as my video here: The BillBeaty-tchison Effect http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8pTio26Xgw (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:Abd Lowmax no longer welcome on vortex
All subscriptions blocked until further notice. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
