Re: [Vo]:3D printed car
2k$ cars ? this is what happen in emerging countries with moped and motorbikes, it has much success. 2014-09-21 3:55 GMT+02:00 Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net: Who knows what will happen. $2K cars? Tiny small single-seater vehicles for commuters to drive to work or to the grocery store. Self driving cars? Yea, very likely too. Transportation will evolve. Collectively, we will determine the best course of action. Very few individuals on their own have the capacity to predict what will eventually happen. The unpredictable collective principals of emergence will drive this one, not any single individual. Perhaps a little bit of synchronicity will play mysteriously into the mixture as well. For example... Years ago I was visiting Portland. While there I went into Powells Bookstore. I was wandering aimlessly down a dark isle my hand reached out for a book. I'm not sure what it was about this book that initially caught my eye. However, when I picked it out I noticed the author had spent some time studying the social behavior of ants. He spent some time studying these creature because he was researching the rules of emergence and how those rules play out within complex societies. The mysterious rules of emergence work with all kinds of living creature from all scales, from brain cells, insects, all the way up to humans crammed within a city environment. The subject of ants combined with the concept of emergence piqued my interest. I recalled as a young teenager I had studied the hive minded behavior of social insects - like ants. I managed several ant farms which included the queen. Sometimes I spent hours watching the collective behavior of these creatures with a powerful magnifying glass. Returning back to the present I was curious as to who the author was. Was it anyone I knew? Here is the author talking about his book on emergence at a TED talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/steven_johnson_on_the_web_as_a_city?language=en Other than the fact that I could not rid myself of a feeling that the equally mysterious rules of synchronicity had perhaps played an amusing game with my psyche, the author bares no relation with me whatsoever. Granted, I realize I'm anthropomorphizing the behavior of the Universe. But what the hell. The universe plays tricks with me all the time. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:3D printed car
World's first printed car from carbon fiber plastic pellets. It weighs 1500 lbs and contains fifty parts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV5FvZZiBf0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alj_36qFe5g Harry
RE: [Vo]:3D printed car
From Harry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV5FvZZiBf0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alj_36qFe5g Cool! We did predict this would happen. Printed housing is just around the corner too. Starting prices $18k to $30k - A tad steep, prototype prices. Too pricy for me, particularly for a two-seater with visually obvious stratification layers. On the plus side, the housing is made out of plastic. We mid-westerner Wisconsinites appreciate cars that don't rust due to all the salt they spread on the roads in the middle of winter. Hopefully economies of scale will eventually lower the entry level price to around $10k. That would give the Smart Car a run for its money. http://www.smartusa.com/ entry level: $12,490. or lease for $99/month Now, if The Doctor can corral his elusive little hydrinos within a year... that's likely to be another marriage made in heaven. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:3D printed car
They mentioned something about the printing of the printable portion of the car taking about a day. They said the printer cost $1M. The capital expense cost of the printable portion of the car is therefore about: 1e6usd*.12/year?usd/day http://www.testardi.com/rich/calchemy2/ ([1E6 * usd] * 0.12) / year ? usd / day = 328.76712 usd/day On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: From Harry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV5FvZZiBf0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alj_36qFe5g Cool! We did predict this would happen. Printed housing is just around the corner too. Starting prices $18k to $30k - A tad steep, prototype prices. Too pricy for me, particularly for a two-seater with visually obvious stratification layers. On the plus side, the housing is made out of plastic. We mid-westerner Wisconsinites appreciate cars that don't rust due to all the salt they spread on the roads in the middle of winter. Hopefully economies of scale will eventually lower the entry level price to around $10k. That would give the Smart Car a run for its money. http://www.smartusa.com/ entry level: $12,490. or lease for $99/month Now, if The Doctor can corral his elusive little hydrinos within a year... that's likely to be another marriage made in heaven. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:3D printed car
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Hopefully economies of scale will eventually lower the entry level price to around $10k. That would give the Smart Car a run for its money. Even 10k dollars feels steep for a car that was manufactured out of plastic with a 1 million dollar printer and assembled with minimal labor. Once this technology is more widespread, a company like Google will get irritated at the steep markup and begin to look into what it would take to offer them at 2-4k. Note that cheaper cars means more drivers and more fuel consumption. Perhaps there are not enough people in absolute terms that fit that demographic in North America and Europe to matter. But there could be plenty in China, India and Africa in the medium term. European cities were largely in place before cars came along, and they have pleasant, dense city centers and viable mass transportation. North American cities came along just as cars were being widely adopted, and they are spread out and unattractive for that reason. In many European cities you can get along just fine without a car for much of the time. In many North American cities you pretty much need a car, and viable mass transit is hard to put in place because the population density is fairly low. Eric
Re: [Vo]:3D printed car
With self driving smart cars, I can see people subscribing to taxi service instead of a owning a car. harry On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Hopefully economies of scale will eventually lower the entry level price to around $10k. That would give the Smart Car a run for its money. Even 10k dollars feels steep for a car that was manufactured out of plastic with a 1 million dollar printer and assembled with minimal labor. Once this technology is more widespread, a company like Google will get irritated at the steep markup and begin to look into what it would take to offer them at 2-4k. Note that cheaper cars means more drivers and more fuel consumption. Perhaps there are not enough people in absolute terms that fit that demographic in North America and Europe to matter. But there could be plenty in China, India and Africa in the medium term. European cities were largely in place before cars came along, and they have pleasant, dense city centers and viable mass transportation. North American cities came along just as cars were being widely adopted, and they are spread out and unattractive for that reason. In many European cities you can get along just fine without a car for much of the time. In many North American cities you pretty much need a car, and viable mass transit is hard to put in place because the population density is fairly low. Eric
RE: [Vo]:3D printed car
Who knows what will happen. $2K cars? Tiny small single-seater vehicles for commuters to drive to work or to the grocery store. Self driving cars? Yea, very likely too. Transportation will evolve. Collectively, we will determine the best course of action. Very few individuals on their own have the capacity to predict what will eventually happen. The unpredictable collective principals of emergence will drive this one, not any single individual. Perhaps a little bit of synchronicity will play mysteriously into the mixture as well. For example... Years ago I was visiting Portland. While there I went into Powells Bookstore. I was wandering aimlessly down a dark isle my hand reached out for a book. I'm not sure what it was about this book that initially caught my eye. However, when I picked it out I noticed the author had spent some time studying the social behavior of ants. He spent some time studying these creature because he was researching the rules of emergence and how those rules play out within complex societies. The mysterious rules of emergence work with all kinds of living creature from all scales, from brain cells, insects, all the way up to humans crammed within a city environment. The subject of ants combined with the concept of emergence piqued my interest. I recalled as a young teenager I had studied the hive minded behavior of social insects - like ants. I managed several ant farms which included the queen. Sometimes I spent hours watching the collective behavior of these creatures with a powerful magnifying glass. Returning back to the present I was curious as to who the author was. Was it anyone I knew? Here is the author talking about his book on emergence at a TED talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/steven_johnson_on_the_web_as_a_city?language=en Other than the fact that I could not rid myself of a feeling that the equally mysterious rules of synchronicity had perhaps played an amusing game with my psyche, the author bares no relation with me whatsoever. Granted, I realize I'm anthropomorphizing the behavior of the Universe. But what the hell. The universe plays tricks with me all the time. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
