Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...Manelas Device testing

[Jones Beene]

Recently posted factory tour of IEC
https://youtu.be/1bA2OMRcxKo

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...Manelas Device testing

[mixent]

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Sat, 30 Mar 2019 20:51:54
+:
Hi,
[snip]
>Regarding Brian’s COFE 10 presentation see the following:
>
>https://www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/cofe.html

Quote:-

"Don’t know what to make of the solar flares and supernova. The flares can
interact in real time.  The supernova takes years to reach earth at the speed of
light."

Neutrinos from the nova might find a resonance in the Sr87 nuclei of the
ferrite, allowing them to be preferentially absorbed, then followed by a decay,
which would then release energy.

Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...Manelas Device testing

[mixent]

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Sat, 30 Mar 2019 20:51:54
+:
Hi,
[snip]
>Regarding Brian’s COFE 10 presentation see the following:
>
>https://www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/cofe.html

Quote:-

"The needle is drawn to the strongest field position?"

It is not uncommon for needles to become slightly magnetized by being struck
(e.g. by being dropped on the floor.)

If the needle is oriented such that it's own magnetic field opposes that
experienced from the block, then it will be repelled, and will "float" where the
gravitational and magnetic repulsion forces are equal and opposite.

Note that it is prevented from turning upside down by the tube, but apparently
it "wants" to do so, which is why it floats at an angle.
Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...Manelas Device testing

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Regarding Brian’s COFE 10 presentation see the following:

https://www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/cofe.html

Bob Cook

From: Brian Ahern 
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 8:14:47 AM
To: Dave Roberson; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

The cooling was a surprise.We expected to do much more testing. Alas, it was 
not to be.


From: Dave Roberson 
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 8:03 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...






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I want to let Vortex folks know that I did not merely hear about the Manelas 
device. I and two other engineers performed many tests over 18 months.

It worked. Manelas disassembled it to make a better one, but he stroked out on 
September 25 2012. I have the components, but  no circuit diagram.

I like Bob Cooks comments herein and I now believe that bifilar windings are 
essential.





That is important information Brian.  During your testing did you isolate the 
device inside any form of magnetic shielding?  Also, did the device performance 
depend upon its orientation?

I recall that the brick cooled during operation, did anyone measure the heat 
flow into the brick to see how much heat energy was being absorbed from the 
local environment?

You are the right person to ask about interesting observations and I hope that 
you will share as much as you can.



Dave

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Brian Ahern]

Andrew Anselmo PhD Mech Eng Columbia 1995; David Pelly, BS Physics MIT 1997

The first Voltage vs Time (days) performed end of August 2011. I payed for the 
integrating meters. Andrew and David ran the experiments lasting until May 2012.
Between June and September we had little contact as he was feeling poorly due 
to the large enlargement in his brain.He disassembled  the working device.


From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 12:08 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; Dave Roberson
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...


Brian—



You mention “two other engineers” that worked with you, experimenting on the 
MANELAS DEVICE.



When and  wher did the experimentation take place, and who were the others?  
Were there any notes taken or reports written in the 18 months of 
experimenting.  If so, are they classified and/or otherwise available.



Who owns the IP?  Who paid for the experimentation?  Was Manelas at hid death 
working for another entity, or was he independently funding the researcxh 
effort you mention?



Bob Cook




From: Brian Ahern 
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 8:14:47 AM
To: Dave Roberson; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

The cooling was a surprise.We expected to do much more testing. Alas, it was 
not to be.


From: Dave Roberson 
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 8:03 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...






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I want to let Vortex folks know that I did not merely hear about the Manelas 
device. I and two other engineers performed many tests over 18 months.

It worked. Manelas disassembled it to make a better one, but he stroked out on 
September 25 2012. I have the components, but  no circuit diagram.

I like Bob Cooks comments herein and I now believe that bifilar windings are 
essential.





That is important information Brian.  During your testing did you isolate the 
device inside any form of magnetic shielding?  Also, did the device performance 
depend upon its orientation?

I recall that the brick cooled during operation, did anyone measure the heat 
flow into the brick to see how much heat energy was being absorbed from the 
local environment?

You are the right person to ask about interesting observations and I hope that 
you will share as much as you can.



Dave

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[mixent]

In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Fri, 29 Mar 2019 16:43:52 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]

Whenever I see magic magnet motors, I am tempted to think of breaking and
reconnecting magnetic field lines, with the attendant possibility that the ZPE
may be tapped in such an event.

>Did he discover Tesla's secret?
>
>
>https://cosmosmagazine.com/technology/did-nikola-tesla-build-a-revolutionary-electric-car

I think Tesla was just tapping into the energy he himself was putting into the
Earth capacitor. I.e. the planet itself and the electrosphere form the two
plates of a gigantic capacitor with the lower atmosphere as the dielectric.
I think he "pumped" this capacitor at it's resonant frequency, with energy from
one source, which could then be tapped by mobile receivers, operating at the
same frequency. His car contained such a receiver.

In short, this was a power transmission system, not a power source. Because it
could be tapped by anyone anywhere, the bankers wouldn't have a bar of it
because they couldn't charge for the power.
Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[mixent]

In reply to  Brian Ahern's message of Fri, 29 Mar 2019 20:01:15 +:
Hi Brian,
[snip]
>add monopoles to 1.

I was thinking about the fact that the frequency was quite fixed, and wondering
if it is a consequence of resonance due to the dimensions of the block. If so, a
calculation of the velocity might yield a clue as to the origin.
Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[mixent]

In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Fri, 29 Mar 2019 18:45:04 + (UTC):
Hi,

Total available solar wind energy, assuming a capture radius of 12000 km (inner
belt only because that's where most of the energy is), is about 80 GW if I did
my sums right, based on the figures mentioned here:-
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/solar-wind

This is enough to be interesting, but obviously nowhere near enough for the
whole planet, which implies specialized uses ... or garage inventors. ;)

[snip]
>From: Brian Ahern 
>
>> The entire Manelas device operation seems to interact with something not yet 
>> understood.   
>
>Let's see... here are a few of the usual suspects for the source and/or main 
>side effect of said unknown energy
>1) Longitudinal Spin Seebeck Effect, aka spin waves, aka longitudinal spin 
>waves, aka cold electricity resulting in heat transfer and inherent cooling
>2) zero point energy aka aether aka vacuum energy
>3) neutrino flux
>4) Van Allen belt induction (Robin's hypothesis)5) solar flares or other 
>cosmic radiation
>6) natural magnetic precession or other kinds of autonomous resonant magnetic 
>flux motion7) applied flux motion caused by switched reluctance
>
>or... any combination or permutation...
>
>My guess is 1) combined with 6) and 7) but curiously, all of the above could 
>be linked to varying degrees
>  
Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Brian Ahern]

From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 12:08 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; Dave Roberson
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...


Brian—



You mention “two other engineers” that worked with you, experimenting on the 
MANELAS DEVICE.



When and  wher did the experimentation take place, and who were the others?  
Were there any notes taken or reports written in the 18 months of 
experimenting.  If so, are they classified and/or otherwise available.



Who owns the IP?  Who paid for the experimentation?  Was Manelas at hid death 
working for another entity, or was he independently funding the researcxh 
effort you mention?



Bob Cook




From: Brian Ahern 
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 8:14:47 AM
To: Dave Roberson; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

The cooling was a surprise.We expected to do much more testing. Alas, it was 
not to be.


From: Dave Roberson 
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 8:03 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...






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I want to let Vortex folks know that I did not merely hear about the Manelas 
device. I and two other engineers performed many tests over 18 months.

It worked. Manelas disassembled it to make a better one, but he stroked out on 
September 25 2012. I have the components, but  no circuit diagram.

I like Bob Cooks comments herein and I now believe that bifilar windings are 
essential.





That is important information Brian.  During your testing did you isolate the 
device inside any form of magnetic shielding?  Also, did the device performance 
depend upon its orientation?

I recall that the brick cooled during operation, did anyone measure the heat 
flow into the brick to see how much heat energy was being absorbed from the 
local environment?

You are the right person to ask about interesting observations and I hope that 
you will share as much as you can.



Dave

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Brian Ahern]

From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 12:08 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; Dave Roberson
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...


Brian—



You mention “two other engineers” that worked with you, experimenting on the 
MANELAS DEVICE.



When and  wher did the experimentation take place, and who were the others?  
Were there any notes taken or reports written in the 18 months of 
experimenting.  If so, are they classified and/or otherwise available.



Who owns the IP?  Who paid for the experimentation?  Was Manelas at hid death 
working for another entity, or was he independently funding the researcxh 
effort you mention?



Bob Cook




From: Brian Ahern 
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 8:14:47 AM
To: Dave Roberson; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

The cooling was a surprise.We expected to do much more testing. Alas, it was 
not to be.


From: Dave Roberson 
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 8:03 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...






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I want to let Vortex folks know that I did not merely hear about the Manelas 
device. I and two other engineers performed many tests over 18 months.

It worked. Manelas disassembled it to make a better one, but he stroked out on 
September 25 2012. I have the components, but  no circuit diagram.

I like Bob Cooks comments herein and I now believe that bifilar windings are 
essential.





That is important information Brian.  During your testing did you isolate the 
device inside any form of magnetic shielding?  Also, did the device performance 
depend upon its orientation?

I recall that the brick cooled during operation, did anyone measure the heat 
flow into the brick to see how much heat energy was being absorbed from the 
local environment?

You are the right person to ask about interesting observations and I hope that 
you will share as much as you can.



Dave

RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Dave ---

Brian reports that cooling of the device was a surprise.

A bigger surprise for me was the reported decrease in powwer being generated 
during intense aurora displays, and, I assume disruptive magnetic fields,  
generated by of the solar magnetic storms.

This occurance partially answers you question regarding magnetic shielding of 
the device during testing.

Data regarding the intensity of the disruptive magnetic fields most surely 
exists somewhere in the open literature.  For me the variance of the local 
magnetic field influences the resonant coupling of the nano black powder and 
the strotium-ferro alloy makig up the device.  Since the device did not shut 
down completely during the disruptive events, there may be evidence that the 
device is self shielding up to a point.  I think some of the device may be 
ferro-electric and via electric potential allow generation of desired coupling 
resonances.

The following from WIKIPEDIA is instructive:

Materials
The internal electric dipoles of a ferroelectric material are coupled to the 
material lattice so anything that changes the lattice will change the strength 
of the dipoles (in other words, a change in the spontaneous polarization). The 
change in the spontaneous polarization results in a change in the surface 
charge. This can cause current flow in the case of a ferroelectric capacitor 
even without the presence of an external voltage across the capacitor. Two 
stimuli that will change the lattice dimensions of a material are force and 
temperature. The generation of a surface charge in response to the application 
of an external stress to a material is called 
piezoelectricity<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectricity>. A change in 
the spontaneous polarization of a material in response to a change in 
temperature is called 
pyroelectricity<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroelectricity>.

The ferro-electric characteristic allows external control of desirable resonant 
frequencies.  Changing the H (ambient magnetic field intensity) would change 
the resonant frequencies critical in the coupling between atomic structures and 
nuclear entities and spin dynamics of the various primaty particles with 
intrinsis spin.

Some of Brian’s slides presented during Fall at the COFE  10 conference with 
Thomas Valone is brief discussion of Brians testing with others.

The link which follows gives examples how eigen states change in the present of 
a magnetic field.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236158984_Propagator_for_a_harmonically_bound_particle_in_a_constant_magnetic_field_with_a_time-dependent_frequency


Bob Cook

---

From: Brian Ahern 
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 8:14:47 AM
To: Dave Roberson; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

The cooling was a surprise.We expected to do much more testing. Alas, it was 
not to be.


From: Dave Roberson 
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I want to let Vortex folks know that I did not merely hear about the Manelas 
device. I and two other engineers performed many tests over 18 months.

It worked. Manelas disassembled it to make a better one, but he stroked out on 
September 25 2012. I have the components, but  no circuit diagram.

I like Bob Cooks comments herein and I now believe that bifilar windings are 
essential.





That is important information Brian.  During your testing did you isolate the 
device inside any form of magnetic shielding?  Also, did the device performance 
depend upon its orientation?

I recall that the brick cooled during operation, did anyone measure the heat 
flow into the brick to see how much heat energy was being absorbed from the 
local environment?

You are the right person to ask about interesting observations and I hope that 
you will share as much as you can.



Dave

RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Brian—

You mention “two other engineers” that worked with you, experimenting on the 
MANELAS DEVICE.

When and  wher did the experimentation take place, and who were the others?  
Were there any notes taken or reports written in the 18 months of 
experimenting.  If so, are they classified and/or otherwise available.

Who owns the IP?  Who paid for the experimentation?  Was Manelas at hid death 
working for another entity, or was he independently funding the researcxh 
effort you mention?

Bob Cook


From: Brian Ahern 
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 8:14:47 AM
To: Dave Roberson; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

The cooling was a surprise.We expected to do much more testing. Alas, it was 
not to be.


From: Dave Roberson 
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 8:03 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...






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I want to let Vortex folks know that I did not merely hear about the Manelas 
device. I and two other engineers performed many tests over 18 months.

It worked. Manelas disassembled it to make a better one, but he stroked out on 
September 25 2012. I have the components, but  no circuit diagram.

I like Bob Cooks comments herein and I now believe that bifilar windings are 
essential.





That is important information Brian.  During your testing did you isolate the 
device inside any form of magnetic shielding?  Also, did the device performance 
depend upon its orientation?

I recall that the brick cooled during operation, did anyone measure the heat 
flow into the brick to see how much heat energy was being absorbed from the 
local environment?

You are the right person to ask about interesting observations and I hope that 
you will share as much as you can.



Dave

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Brian Ahern]

The cooling was a surprise.We expected to do much more testing. Alas, it was 
not to be.


From: Dave Roberson 
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 8:03 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...






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I want to let Vortex folks know that I did not merely hear about the Manelas 
device. I and two other engineers performed many tests over 18 months.

It worked. Manelas disassembled it to make a better one, but he stroked out on 
September 25 2012. I have the components, but  no circuit diagram.

I like Bob Cooks comments herein and I now believe that bifilar windings are 
essential.





That is important information Brian.  During your testing did you isolate the 
device inside any form of magnetic shielding?  Also, did the device performance 
depend upon its orientation?

I recall that the brick cooled during operation, did anyone measure the heat 
flow into the brick to see how much heat energy was being absorbed from the 
local environment?

You are the right person to ask about interesting observations and I hope that 
you will share as much as you can.



Dave

RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Dave Roberson]

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From: Brian Ahern
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 7:31 AM
To: bobcook39...@hotmail.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com; jone...@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

I want to let Vortex folks know that I did not merely hear about the Manelas 
device. I and two other engineers performed many tests over 18 months.
It worked. Manelas disassembled it to make a better one, but he stroked out on 
September 25 2012. I have the components, but  no circuit diagram. 
I like Bob Cooks comments herein and I now believe that bifilar windings are 
essential.


That is important information Brian.  During your testing did you isolate the 
device inside any form of magnetic shielding?  Also, did the device performance 
depend upon its orientation?
I recall that the brick cooled during operation, did anyone measure the heat 
flow into the brick to see how much heat energy was being absorbed from the 
local environment?
You are the right person to ask about interesting observations and I hope that 
you will share as much as you can.

Dave

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Jones Beene]

 

 Brian Ahern wrote: 

add monopoles to 1.see Keith A. Fredericks

Back in 2017 in a thread on vortex entitled "A Forgotten Chapter in LENR" which 
was remembering the "mystery radiation" seen in the early days of LENR and 
reported by dozens of researchers in fact - and suggesting that this could have 
been Holmlid's muons. The thread begins here:
https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg114657.html
In a following message in this thread, Axil brought up Keith Fredericks' 
monopole papers.
The implication was that Holmlid's muons and the earlier mystery radiation - 
could in fact be identified as Fredericks' monopoles.
It is an intriguing prospect.

Jones


  

RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Maybe the inventer fooled the Army too?  Or were they part of a scam?

What they paid for patent rights, if anything, would reveal much IMHO.

Bob Cook

To: Vortex List<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

bobcook39923 wrote:

> I tend to share Jones conclusion about the likely reality of the IEC device.


Bob,

Well ... On further consideration, many doubts about the authenticity of this 
device have turned up.

Unfortunately, it is looking more and more like a sophisticated scam...

You simply cannot handle a true breakthrough this way.

Jones

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Terry Blanton]

Did he discover Tesla's secret?


https://cosmosmagazine.com/technology/did-nikola-tesla-build-a-revolutionary-electric-car

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Brian Ahern]

add monopoles to 1.
see keith A. Fredericks


From: Jones Beene 
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 2:45 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

From: Brian Ahern

> The entire Manelas device operation seems to interact with something not yet 
> understood.


Let's see... here are a few of the usual suspects for the source and/or main 
side effect of said unknown energy

1) Longitudinal Spin Seebeck Effect, aka spin waves, aka longitudinal spin 
waves, aka cold electricity resulting in heat transfer and inherent cooling
2) zero point energy aka aether aka vacuum energy
3) neutrino flux
4) Van Allen belt induction (Robin's hypothesis)
5) solar flares or other cosmic radiation
6) natural magnetic precession or other kinds of autonomous resonant magnetic 
flux motion
7) applied flux motion caused by switched reluctance

or... any combination or permutation...

My guess is 1) combined with 6) and 7) but curiously, all of the above could be 
linked to varying degrees

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Terry Blanton]

8)  Schumann resonances 
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Jones Beene]

From: Brian Ahern 

> The entire Manelas device operation seems to interact with something not yet 
> understood.   

Let's see... here are a few of the usual suspects for the source and/or main 
side effect of said unknown energy
1) Longitudinal Spin Seebeck Effect, aka spin waves, aka longitudinal spin 
waves, aka cold electricity resulting in heat transfer and inherent cooling
2) zero point energy aka aether aka vacuum energy
3) neutrino flux
4) Van Allen belt induction (Robin's hypothesis)5) solar flares or other cosmic 
radiation
6) natural magnetic precession or other kinds of autonomous resonant magnetic 
flux motion7) applied flux motion caused by switched reluctance

or... any combination or permutation...

My guess is 1) combined with 6) and 7) but curiously, all of the above could be 
linked to varying degrees
  

RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Chris Zell]

Across many years, garage based inventors seem to have tried everything 
conceivable.  I therefore wonder if some subtle effect has been missed.

It seems to be a version of the Sweet device.  Self oscillating magnetic fields 
are mentioned but I have never heard of any paper on this.

From: Brian Ahern 
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 11:43 AM
To: Chris Zell ; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

The entire Manelas device operation seems to interact with something not yet 
understood.


From: Chris Zell mailto:chrisz...@wetmtv.com>>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:31 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...


I respectfully ask about bifilar coils.  I want to understand if something 
important has been overlooked.

Whenever I see 'bifilar coils", I despair because I have never read about any 
well demonstrated significant/unusual effect from them. However, perhaps that 
is not so and there is some 'magic' here of which I am unaware.

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Jones Beene]

bobcook39923 wrote:  
> I tend to share Jones conclusion about the likely reality of the IEC device.  


Bob,
Well ... On further consideration, many doubts about the authenticity of this 
device have turned up. 

Unfortunately, it is looking more and more like a sophisticated scam...
You simply cannot handle a true breakthrough this way.
Jones

 

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Brian Ahern]

The entire Manelas device operation seems to interact with something not yet 
understood.


From: Chris Zell 
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:31 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...


I respectfully ask about bifilar coils.  I want to understand if something 
important has been overlooked.

Whenever I see ‘bifilar coils”, I despair because I have never read about any 
well demonstrated significant/unusual effect from them. However, perhaps that 
is not so and there is some ‘magic’ here of which I am unaware.

RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Chris Zell]

I respectfully ask about bifilar coils.  I want to understand if something 
important has been overlooked.
Whenever I see 'bifilar coils", I despair because I have never read about any 
well demonstrated significant/unusual effect from them. However, perhaps that 
is not so and there is some 'magic' here of which I am unaware.

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Terry Blanton]

For the uninformed:

https://ecatsite.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/ahern-manelas-device.pdf

>

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Brian Ahern]

I want to let Vortex folks know that I did not merely hear about the Manelas 
device. I and two other engineers performed many tests over 18 months.
It worked. Manelas disassembled it to make a better one, but he stroked out on 
September 25 2012. I have the components, but  no circuit diagram.
I like Bob Cooks comments herein and I now believe that bifilar windings are 
essential.


From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 12:28 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...


The link to the Army patent has no paratical application identified that I 
could find.



Does anyone know about how the patented device is configured in the IEC engine?



Is the inference from all this that IEC device gets energy from some other 
potential energy source?



For example,  high tension electric AC transmission wires could be souch a 
source of energy , or maybe even small dynamic variations in the earth’s 
ambient field.



Of course,  conservaion of energy and/or angular momentum may be violated.   
However,  energy and angular momentum are a little alike and may be swapped one 
for the other in a   coherent system such as  is utilized in the IEC device.  
The magnetic field  may provide the coupling among the various primary 
particles present in that coherent system,  allowing the swapping to happen.  
Intrinsic spin (angular momentum) as well as orbital angular momentum—atomic 
and nuclear—could be involved.  The initial rotation provides the necessary 
resonances to restore the remanence of the materials on the atomic scale, that 
orginal state being a quasi stable low potential for the whole coherent system.



Good isotopic measurements before and after substantial mechanical energy 
extraction should reveal changes associated with a decrease of total  potential 
energy for the various isotopes.



Bob Cook








From: JonesBeene 
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:37:29 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...




Apparently, the favored explanation given by investors in IEC is that the 
inventor came up with a “monopole” permanent magnet (most likely a 
pseudo-monopole).



The following older patent assigned to the US Army, is the Leupold patent, 
which describes a permanent composite magnet in which materials are laminated 
in such a way that  one pole is disproportionately far stronger than the other. 
If the disproportion is large enough, you have a pseudo-monopole



https://patents.google.com/patent/US4692732<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatents.google.com%2Fpatent%2FUS4692732=02%7C01%7C%7C5aa91978abe24242b25508d6b39c780f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636893881935273036=1YlgX7dLS3Y%2FUJ8kk7kCcSjBTzzXacp1dx77E2GzAFQ%3D=0>



There is definitely an analogy here to the Halbach array. As we know, that is 
an arrangement of permanent magnets which augments the field on one side of the 
array while cancelling the field to near zero on the other side. If you were 
trying to “re-patent” the Halbach or the Leupold array, then you might try to 
label it as a monopole and see if the patent office will  bite. In the mean 
time you want to remain silent.



It is definitely possible the pseudo-monopole magnets are incorporated into the 
flywheel itself. It is also possible that these permanent magnets are 
hybridized with pulse coils so as to provide  very short electrical pulses at 
low duty or  per revolution, in order to prevent immediate demagnetization.



The strange story is starting to get legs… I’m no longer a skeptic but as 
always – demagnetization will be the critical issue.



Jones



From: Dave Roberson<mailto:dlrober...@aol.com>



Nice sized flywheel.  Could store a lot of energy so it is going to be hard to 
prove that the magnets are the real source.  I am skeptical.



Dave





From: Terry Blanton<mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com>



40 kw of mechanical energy



uh-huh.  They sure know what they are talking about.

RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones—

You are missing the subtle issue that the link to the IEC site identified 25kw 
not 25kwh of energy storage.  They do not know the difference between power and 
energy.  I think that was the crux of Terry’s remark.

Bob Cook

From: Jones Beene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:21 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

This machine is surely an enigma but is it a scam? It does not seem to be.

There is a possibility that the unit presently will function more as a UPS than 
a primary source of electrical power. Otherwise it makes no economic sense... 
other than being a scientific curiosity supplying "free energy" in a limited 
sense which ignores the capital cost. Here's why.

Las Vegas has very low electricity rates 8+ cents/kwh thanks to a famous nearby 
dam. There is no way this device will save money to the customer unless they 
are practically giving the hardware away. It appears that the 25 kwh electrical 
energy represents the total energy storage capacity of the flywheel+magmo, when 
the unit is fully charged, not a continuous output.

In fact, the continuous power output looks to be something in the range of 500 
watts. IOW in a full year of operation, 24/7 it will only produce 4000 kwh 
total (nominally free) energy for the year.

Yet apparently that energy is indeed "free" in the sense of coming from 
magnets, confounding the experts and ignoring the overhead cost of the unit... 
i.e. unless... the present purpose was indeed different - and the plan is that 
it will to be used as a UPS backup... plus possibly... the customers have other 
incentives as well (stock?)

IOW this unit's best useful purpose at present seems to be as a UPS backup 
since even if it did supply 500 watts continuously the value of that 
electricity would be about $170 bucks per year - so it is not going to save the 
planet at this stage of development, and the customer cannot benefit from it 
compared to regular utility rates. A further breakthrough seems to be needed.

And given that it shouldn't even work at all - maybe that follow-on 
breakthrough is not farfetched as it seems.

Who knows? Maybe the business plan is to get a few hundred of them out there as 
UPS systems and hope they can figure out how to boost the output considerably 
further down the road.

Jones

H LV wrote:

  :-D  "two tens for a five"
https://youtu.be/f7pMYHn-1yA

Harry

Terry Blanton wrote:
40 kw of mechanical energy

uh-huh.  They sure know what they are talking about.

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[H LV]

Is it scam? I don't know, but I don't think it is the duty of an observer
to explain away such an incongrous statement when the statement is made by
someone who purports to be knowledgeable.

Harry


On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:21 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

> This machine is surely an enigma but is it a scam? It does not seem to be.
>
> There is a possibility that the unit presently will function more as a UPS
> than a primary source of electrical power. Otherwise it makes no economic
> sense... other than being a scientific curiosity supplying "free energy" in
> a limited sense which ignores the capital cost. Here's why.
>
> Las Vegas has very low electricity rates 8+ cents/kwh thanks to a famous
> nearby dam. There is no way this device will save money to the customer
> unless they are practically giving the hardware away. It appears that the
> 25 kwh electrical energy represents the total energy storage capacity of
> the flywheel+magmo, when the unit is fully charged, not a continuous output.
>
> In fact, the continuous power output looks to be something in the range of
> 500 watts. IOW in a full year of operation, 24/7 it will only produce 4000
> kwh total (nominally free) energy for the year.
>
> Yet apparently that energy is indeed "free" in the sense of coming from
> magnets, confounding the experts and ignoring the overhead cost of the
> unit... i.e. unless... the present purpose was indeed different - and the
> plan is that it will to be used as a UPS backup... plus possibly... the
> customers have other incentives as well (stock?)
>
> IOW this unit's best useful purpose at present seems to be as a UPS backup
> since even if it did supply 500 watts continuously the value of that
> electricity would be about $170 bucks per year - so it is not going to save
> the planet at this stage of development, and the customer cannot benefit
> from it compared to regular utility rates. A further breakthrough seems to
> be needed.
>
> And given that it shouldn't even work at all - maybe that follow-on
> breakthrough is not farfetched as it seems.
>
> Who knows? Maybe the business plan is to get a few hundred of them out
> there as UPS systems and hope they can figure out how to boost the output
> considerably further down the road.
>
> Jones
>
> H LV wrote:
>
>   :-D  "two tens for a five"
> https://youtu.be/f7pMYHn-1yA
>
> Harry
>
> Terry Blanton wrote:
>
> 40 *kw* of mechanical *energy*
>
>
> uh-huh.  They sure know what they are talking about.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Jones Beene]

 This machine is surely an enigma but is it a scam? It does not seem to be. 

There is a possibility that the unit presently will function more as a UPS than 
a primary source of electrical power. Otherwise it makes no economic sense... 
other than being a scientific curiosity supplying "free energy" in a limited 
sense which ignores the capital cost. Here's why.

Las Vegas has very low electricity rates 8+ cents/kwh thanks to a famous nearby 
dam. There is no way this device will save money to the customer unless they 
are practically giving the hardware away. It appears that the 25 kwh electrical 
energy represents the total energy storage capacity of the flywheel+magmo, when 
the unit is fully charged, not a continuous output.
 In fact, the continuous power output looks to be something in the range of 500 
watts. IOW in a full year of operation, 24/7 it will only produce 4000 kwh 
total (nominally free) energy for the year. 

Yet apparently that energy is indeed "free" in the sense of coming from 
magnets, confounding the experts and ignoring the overhead cost of the unit... 
i.e. unless... the present purpose was indeed different - and the plan is that 
it will to be used as a UPS backup... plus possibly... the customers have other 
incentives as well (stock?) 

IOW this unit's best useful purpose at present seems to be as a UPS backup 
since even if it did supply 500 watts continuously the value of that 
electricity would be about $170 bucks per year - so it is not going to save the 
planet at this stage of development, and the customer cannot benefit from it 
compared to regular utility rates. A further breakthrough seems to be needed. 

And given that it shouldn't even work at all - maybe that follow-on 
breakthrough is not farfetched as it seems.

Who knows? Maybe the business plan is to get a few hundred of them out there as 
UPS systems and hope they can figure out how to boost the output considerably 
further down the road.
Jones

H LV wrote: 

  :-D  "two tens for a five"https://youtu.be/f7pMYHn-1yA

Harry
Terry Blanton wrote:


40 kw of mechanical energy

uh-huh.  They sure know what they are talking about. 
  

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[H LV]

:-D

"two tens for a five"
https://youtu.be/f7pMYHn-1yA

Harry

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 8:06 PM Terry Blanton 
> 40 *kw* of mechanical *energy*
>>
>
> uh-huh.  They sure know what they are talking about.
>

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Jones Beene]

 

 Nigel Dyer wrote: Last week I was made aware of a 1982 patent taken out by 
Johann Grander on a magnetic motor.  The text only appears to be available in 
German so I spent an hour or so with Google translate converting it to English. 
 
 
... That would be this guy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Grander
I think you may have wasted an hour, Nigel 


 

RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

The link to the Army patent has no paratical application identified that I 
could find.

Does anyone know about how the patented device is configured in the IEC engine?

Is the inference from all this that IEC device gets energy from some other 
potential energy source?

For example,  high tension electric AC transmission wires could be souch a 
source of energy , or maybe even small dynamic variations in the earth’s 
ambient field.

Of course,  conservaion of energy and/or angular momentum may be violated.   
However,  energy and angular momentum are a little alike and may be swapped one 
for the other in a   coherent system such as  is utilized in the IEC device.  
The magnetic field  may provide the coupling among the various primary 
particles present in that coherent system,  allowing the swapping to happen.  
Intrinsic spin (angular momentum) as well as orbital angular momentum—atomic 
and nuclear—could be involved.  The initial rotation provides the necessary 
resonances to restore the remanence of the materials on the atomic scale, that 
orginal state being a quasi stable low potential for the whole coherent system.

Good isotopic measurements before and after substantial mechanical energy 
extraction should reveal changes associated with a decrease of total  potential 
energy for the various isotopes.

Bob Cook




From: JonesBeene 
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:37:29 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...


Apparently, the favored explanation given by investors in IEC is that the 
inventor came up with a “monopole” permanent magnet (most likely a 
pseudo-monopole).

The following older patent assigned to the US Army, is the Leupold patent, 
which describes a permanent composite magnet in which materials are laminated 
in such a way that  one pole is disproportionately far stronger than the other. 
If the disproportion is large enough, you have a pseudo-monopole

https://patents.google.com/patent/US4692732

There is definitely an analogy here to the Halbach array. As we know, that is 
an arrangement of permanent magnets which augments the field on one side of the 
array while cancelling the field to near zero on the other side. If you were 
trying to “re-patent” the Halbach or the Leupold array, then you might try to 
label it as a monopole and see if the patent office will  bite. In the mean 
time you want to remain silent.

It is definitely possible the pseudo-monopole magnets are incorporated into the 
flywheel itself. It is also possible that these permanent magnets are 
hybridized with pulse coils so as to provide  very short electrical pulses at 
low duty or  per revolution, in order to prevent immediate demagnetization.

The strange story is starting to get legs… I’m no longer a skeptic but as 
always – demagnetization will be the critical issue.

Jones

From: Dave Roberson<mailto:dlrober...@aol.com>

Nice sized flywheel.  Could store a lot of energy so it is going to be hard to 
prove that the magnets are the real source.  I am skeptical.

Dave


From: Terry Blanton<mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com>

40 kw of mechanical energy

uh-huh.  They sure know what they are talking about.

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Nigel Dyer]

Last week I was made aware of a 1982 petent taken out by Johann Grander 
on a magnetic motor.  The text only appears to be available in German so 
I spent an hour or so with Google translate converting it to English.


https://patents.google.com/patent/WO1982003300A1/it

Nigel

On 27/03/2019 15:48, JonesBeene wrote:


Magnetic motors magically appear in cyberspace from time to time, but 
usually they will demagnetize quickly or never work to begin with.


Supposedly, however,  there is one version  which  has been operating 
in Las Vegas for a while.


At least it is aptly located… Place your bets…

https://overunity.com/18188/iec-earth-engine-first-magnet-motor-installed-in-las-vegas/dlattach/attach/172437/image// 



This image is eye-candy and not the actual device  which is said to be 
working. It is reminiscent of the RAR hype, for sure.


This is the IEC site – they definitely want your investment dollars 
and expect to raise a quarter billion - but is the technology for real?


https://ie.energy/index.html

If it is real this time (and it could be according to people who have 
seen it running) -  the Company is  going about the early stage 
process in what appears to be  the wrong way. They do have good 
Universities in Nevada and Az. However, they apparently  think that 
skirting the experts is the best  way to proceed… and there are a lot 
of gamblers out there who routinely bet fortunes on riskier ventures. 
Time will tell.

RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[JonesBeene]

Apparently, the favored explanation given by investors in IEC is that the 
inventor came up with a “monopole” permanent magnet (most likely a 
pseudo-monopole).

The following older patent assigned to the US Army, is the Leupold patent, 
which describes a permanent composite magnet in which materials are laminated 
in such a way that  one pole is disproportionately far stronger than the other. 
If the disproportion is large enough, you have a pseudo-monopole

https://patents.google.com/patent/US4692732

There is definitely an analogy here to the Halbach array. As we know, that is 
an arrangement of permanent magnets which augments the field on one side of the 
array while cancelling the field to near zero on the other side. If you were 
trying to “re-patent” the Halbach or the Leupold array, then you might try to 
label it as a monopole and see if the patent office will  bite. In the mean 
time you want to remain silent.

It is definitely possible the pseudo-monopole magnets are incorporated into the 
flywheel itself. It is also possible that these permanent magnets are 
hybridized with pulse coils so as to provide  very short electrical pulses at 
low duty or  per revolution, in order to prevent immediate demagnetization.

The strange story is starting to get legs… I’m no longer a skeptic but as 
always – demagnetization will be the critical issue.

Jones

From: Dave Roberson

Nice sized flywheel.  Could store a lot of energy so it is going to be hard to 
prove that the magnets are the real source.  I am skeptical.

Dave


From: Terry Blanton

40 kw of mechanical energy

uh-huh.  They sure know what they are talking about. 

RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Dave Roberson]

Nice sized flywheel.  Could store a lot of energy so it is going to be hard to 
prove that the magnets are the real source.  I am skeptical.

Dave

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Terry Blanton
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 8:06 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...


40 kw of mechanical energy

uh-huh.  They sure know what they are talking about. 

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Terry Blanton]

> 40 *kw* of mechanical *energy*
>

uh-huh.  They sure know what they are talking about.

RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

In reading the link I could not find any statement about the quantity of energy 
(kilowatt hours) released before recharging magnets is necessary to continue 
motor ops.

The most relavant part of the link is as follows:

“The Earth Engine is not a perpetual motion machine. The Earth Engine uses the 
force created from two opposing magnets. Magnets are a depleting resource that 
requires “recharging” every three years. If the engine is shut down, it will 
stop rotating the drive system.”

As can be seen, it begs the question of how much energy is available and how 
much energy is reuired by unspecified recharging schemes.   How much torque 
does the engine produce as a continuous output over one revolution of the drive 
shaft.

Bob Cook



From: Jones Beene 
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 10:19:03 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

The best coverage on this device is found here:

Earth Engine: 3 years of 40+ kW mechanical energy production from magnets- 
orderable now - 
Revolution-Green<https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/>

<https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine-claimed-3-years-40-kw-mechanical-energy-production-magnets/>





Earth Engine: 3 years of 40+ kW mechanical energy production from magnet...

Solar-Powered Moisture Harvester Collects and Cleans Water from Air …Earth 
Engine’s CEO is a retired president a...




Be sure to read the comments




Magnetic motors magically appear in cyberspace from time to time, but usually 
they will demagnetize quickly or never work to begin with.

Supposedly, however,  there is one version  which  has been operating in Las 
Vegas for a while.

At least it is aptly located… Place your bets…

https://overunity.com/18188/iec-earth-engine-first-magnet-motor-installed-in-las-vegas/dlattach/attach/172437/image//<https://overunity.com/18188/iec-earth-engine-first-magnet-motor-installed-in-las-vegas/dlattach/attach/172437/image/>

This image is eye-candy and not the actual device  which is said to be working. 
It is reminiscent of the RAR hype, for sure.

This is the IEC site – they definitely want your investment dollars and expect 
to raise a quarter billion - but is the technology for real?

https://ie.energy/index.html

If it is real this time (and it could be according to people who have seen it 
running) -  the Company is  going about the early stage process in what appears 
to be  the wrong way. They do have good Universities in Nevada and Az. However, 
they apparently  think that skirting the experts is the best  way to proceed… 
and there are a lot of gamblers out there who routinely bet fortunes on riskier 
ventures. Time will tell.

RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Chris Zell]

I think the resumes of the people involved here are very impressive and that 
their participation is difficult to account for if this was simply fake.

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‘Earth Engine’ magnet motor ‘Unplugged’

Some bigshot asked for visual proof the three-ton ‘Earth Engine’ wasn’t 
secretly plugged in, so the engineering ...








Earth Engine: 3 years of 40+ kW mechanical energy production from magnets- 
orderable now - 
Revolution-Green

Re: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Jones Beene]

 

Chris Zell wrote: 
 Could someone post a patent number or schematic?   

No relevant US patent turns up for the inventor Dennis M. Danzik but lots of 
patents in other fields - and there is negative stuff which clouds the 
situation ... He was apparently involved in alternative energy in Calgary 
Canada and all the implies...
Nevertheless, he could still be a genius inventor.  

Here is video of the staff of this company with a running unit which is being 
shipped to a customer - and is supposed to convince us that it works
There can be little doubt that the device works today - but will it be working 
to specs in six months??

‘Earth Engine’ magnet motor ‘Unplugged’

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‘Earth Engine’ magnet motor ‘Unplugged’

Some bigshot asked for visual proof the three-ton ‘Earth Engine’ wasn’t 
secretly plugged in, so the engineering ...
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Earth Engine: 3 years of 40+ kW mechanical energy production from magnets- 
orderable now - Revolution-Green
 
 

 
 
 
   

RE: [Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[Chris Zell]

Could someone post a patent number or schematic?
I tend to think that a magnetic motor could work.  For example, the Werjefelt 
device might have had a good principle behind it but working out the 
cancelation of opposing force seems possible but impractical.

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Magnetic motors magically appear in cyberspace from time to time, but usually 
they will demagnetize quickly or never work to begin with. 


Supposedly, however,  there is one version  which  has been operating in Las 
Vegas for a while. 


At least it is aptly located… Place your bets… 


https://overunity.com/18188/iec-earth-engine-first-magnet-motor-installed-in-las-vegas/dlattach/attach/172437/image//

 

This image is eye-candy and not the actual device  which is said to be working. 
It is reminiscent of the RAR hype, for sure.

 

This is the IEC site – they definitely want your investment dollars and expect 
to raise a quarter billion - but is the technology for real?

 

https://ie.energy/index.html

 

If it is real this time (and it could be according to people who have seen it 
running) -  the Company is  going about the early stage process in what appears 
to be  the wrong way. They do have good Universities in Nevada and Az. However, 
they apparently  think that skirting the experts is the best  way to proceed… 
and there are a lot of gamblers out there who routinely bet fortunes on riskier 
ventures. Time will tell.

  

  
  

[Vo]:Magmo in the land of lost wages...

[JonesBeene]

Magnetic motors magically appear in cyberspace from time to time, but usually 
they will demagnetize quickly or never work to begin with.

Supposedly, however,  there is one version  which  has been operating in Las 
Vegas for a while. 

At least it is aptly located… Place your bets…

https://overunity.com/18188/iec-earth-engine-first-magnet-motor-installed-in-las-vegas/dlattach/attach/172437/image//

This image is eye-candy and not the actual device  which is said to be working. 
It is reminiscent of the RAR hype, for sure.

This is the IEC site – they definitely want your investment dollars and expect 
to raise a quarter billion - but is the technology for real?

https://ie.energy/index.html

If it is real this time (and it could be according to people who have seen it 
running) -  the Company is  going about the early stage process in what appears 
to be  the wrong way. They do have good Universities in Nevada and Az. However, 
they apparently  think that skirting the experts is the best  way to proceed… 
and there are a lot of gamblers out there who routinely bet fortunes on riskier 
ventures. Time will tell.