RE: [Vo]:Resonances: Coupling between electronic states and vibrational modes (phonons)...
Lou, This kind of photon stimulation was of great interest a few years ago and is known as the Letts/Cravens effect. They had a tortuous path to get it to a useful level when at EarthTech. Many null results in the process. Are we there yet? At one time they also were saying that a magnetic field adds to the effect. That is of keen interest as well, if this effect relates to quantum entanglement, in any way. Two additional points of interest that jump out to the Ni-H crowd: 1) This gain from optical stimulation applies to Pd-D. Does it apply equally to Ni-H? 2) The highest gain is at ~15 THZ which is a IR emission (near IR) better known from its wavelength about 1.5 microns. This corresponds to a blackbody temperature, so the laser only adds coherency. Actually the third point for interest for Ni-H watchers is derivative. If the answer to 1) is yes, then should not the active powder be in the size range of 2)? Original Message- From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com Along those lines, you might want to read - PROGRESS ON DUAL LASER EXPERIMENTS http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Hagelsteinprogresson.pdf EXCERPT: We have continued our experiments using duel laser stimulation of electrochemically loaded PdD. In earlier work, we used two properly oriented and polarized tunable diode lasers which provided stimulation at optical frequencies; interestingly, we found that the excess heat is sensitive to the beat difference frequency. Low-level thermal signals are observed to be triggered at apparent resonances when the difference frequency is 8.3, 15.3 and 20.4 THz Perhaps, also related is the ultrasonic Superwave LENR stimulation used by Energetics Technologies - http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DardikIultrasonic.pdf My impression is that their source has a wideband discrete spectrum of phase-locked frequencies - so that the same stimulus signal is repeatedly swept. attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Resonances: Coupling between electronic states and vibrational modes (phonons)...
pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Along those lines, you might want to read - PROGRESS ON DUAL LASER EXPERIMENTS http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Hagelsteinprogresson.pdf EXCERPT: We have continued our experiments using duel laser stimulation of Yikes. Peter spelled dual wrong?! - Jef
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But 'duel' is strangely appropriate in the context of a beat (or complementary) wave ... as in dueling banjos BTW - didn't you spell 'Jed' wrong? (wouldn't have noticed it, by my spell checker did) -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Hagelsteinprogresson.pdf EXCERPT: We have continued our experiments using duel laser stimulation of Yikes. Peter spelled dual wrong?! - Jef
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Jones, My reply was originally to Mark Iverson's thread - I don't know why it started a new one. Mark is citing some experiments showing that photosynthesis is more efficient when driven by selected multiple fixed frequencies, and wonders whether there is a connection with CF/LENR effects. Good question on Ni-H. Rossi apparently uses an RF-generator. I have to check on others, like Miley and Defkalion. Energetics uses ultrasound - their signal is imprecisely defined in their patent application, but it's clearly broadband, and appears to have a discrete picket-fench spectrum. Based on the papers I've perused, I'd guess that optimal em/sonic stimulation depends sensitively on particle size, temperature, morphology, density, colloidal formations, crystallization patterns, proximity to surfaces, ... If Rossi's claims are accurate, I'd bet that National Instruments is trying to (somehow) close the loop in this huge state-space to stay in the tiny and elusive stable optimal operating spaces. Thanks, Lou Pagnucco Lou, This kind of photon stimulation was of great interest a few years ago and is known as the Letts/Cravens effect. They had a tortuous path to get it to a useful level when at EarthTech. Many null results in the process. Are we there yet? At one time they also were saying that a magnetic field adds to the effect. That is of keen interest as well, if this effect relates to quantum entanglement, in any way. Two additional points of interest that jump out to the Ni-H crowd: 1)This gain from optical stimulation applies to Pd-D. Does it apply equally to Ni-H? 2)The highest gain is at ~15 THZ which is a IR emission (near IR) better known from its wavelength about 1.5 microns. This corresponds to a blackbody temperature, so the laser only adds coherency. Actually the third point for interest for Ni-H watchers is derivative. If the answer to 1) is yes, then should not the active powder be in the size range of 2)? Original Message- From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com Along those lines, you might want to read - PROGRESS ON DUAL LASER EXPERIMENTS http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Hagelsteinprogresson.pdf EXCERPT: We have continued our experiments using duel laser stimulation of electrochemically loaded PdD. In earlier work, we used two properly oriented and polarized tunable diode lasers which provided stimulation at optical frequencies; interestingly, we found that the excess heat is sensitive to the beat difference frequency. Low-level thermal signals are observed to be triggered at apparent resonances when the difference frequency is 8.3, 15.3 and 20.4 THz Perhaps, also related is the ultrasonic Superwave LENR stimulation used by Energetics Technologies - http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DardikIultrasonic.pdf My impression is that their source has a wideband discrete spectrum of phase-locked frequencies - so that the same stimulus signal is repeatedly swept.
RE: [Vo]:Resonances: Coupling between electronic states and vibrational modes (phonons)...
Morning guys! Yes, the state-space involves numerous variables, and their interactions (e.g., CONstructive vs DEstructive interference)... trying to model it, understand it, and then control it will likely be a monumental task. The complexity of the problem, and it's sensitivity to precise frequencies (because we're dealing with resonances), also makes this a VERY difficult thing to reproduce. -mark -Original Message- From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com [mailto:pagnu...@htdconnect.com] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:25 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Resonances: Coupling between electronic states and vibrational modes (phonons)... Jones, My reply was originally to Mark Iverson's thread - I don't know why it started a new one. Mark is citing some experiments showing that photosynthesis is more efficient when driven by selected multiple fixed frequencies, and wonders whether there is a connection with CF/LENR effects. Good question on Ni-H. Rossi apparently uses an RF-generator. I have to check on others, like Miley and Defkalion. Energetics uses ultrasound - their signal is imprecisely defined in their patent application, but it's clearly broadband, and appears to have a discrete picket-fench spectrum. Based on the papers I've perused, I'd guess that optimal em/sonic stimulation depends sensitively on particle size, temperature, morphology, density, colloidal formations, crystallization patterns, proximity to surfaces, ... If Rossi's claims are accurate, I'd bet that National Instruments is trying to (somehow) close the loop in this huge state-space to stay in the tiny and elusive stable optimal operating spaces. Thanks, Lou Pagnucco Lou, This kind of photon stimulation was of great interest a few years ago and is known as the Letts/Cravens effect. They had a tortuous path to get it to a useful level when at EarthTech. Many null results in the process. Are we there yet? At one time they also were saying that a magnetic field adds to the effect. That is of keen interest as well, if this effect relates to quantum entanglement, in any way. Two additional points of interest that jump out to the Ni-H crowd: 1)This gain from optical stimulation applies to Pd-D. Does it apply equally to Ni-H? 2)The highest gain is at ~15 THZ which is a IR emission (near IR) better known from its wavelength about 1.5 microns. This corresponds to a blackbody temperature, so the laser only adds coherency. Actually the third point for interest for Ni-H watchers is derivative. If the answer to 1) is yes, then should not the active powder be in the size range of 2)? Original Message- From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com Along those lines, you might want to read - PROGRESS ON DUAL LASER EXPERIMENTS http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Hagelsteinprogresson.pdf EXCERPT: We have continued our experiments using duel laser stimulation of electrochemically loaded PdD. In earlier work, we used two properly oriented and polarized tunable diode lasers which provided stimulation at optical frequencies; interestingly, we found that the excess heat is sensitive to the beat difference frequency. Low-level thermal signals are observed to be triggered at apparent resonances when the difference frequency is 8.3, 15.3 and 20.4 THz Perhaps, also related is the ultrasonic Superwave LENR stimulation used by Energetics Technologies - http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DardikIultrasonic.pdf My impression is that their source has a wideband discrete spectrum of phase-locked frequencies - so that the same stimulus signal is repeatedly swept.
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Jones Beene wrote: ... as in dueling banjos BTW - didn't you spell 'Jed' wrong? Good grief! Maybe I correct Peter's paper. - Jed J-E-D (which a certain unnamed person says is for Japanese-English Dictionary)
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On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: But 'duel' is strangely appropriate in the context of a beat (or complementary) wave ... as in dueling banjos BTW - didn't you spell 'Jed' wrong? I thought both of them did it on purpose. T
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This article http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/01/120120183038.htm may have some bearing on your discussion. [snip] Current T-ray imaging devices are very expensive and operate at only a low output power, since creating the waves consumes large amounts of energy and needs to take place at very low temperatures. In the new technique, the researchers demonstrated that it is possible to produce a strong beam of T-rays by shining light of differing wavelengths on a pair of electrodes -- two pointed strips of metal separated by a 100 nanometre gap on top of a semiconductor wafer. The structure of the tip-to-tip nano-sized gap electrode greatly enhances the THz field and acts like a nano-antenna to amplify the wave generated. In this method, THz waves are produced by an interaction between the electromagnetic waves of the light pulses and a powerful current passing between the semiconductor electrodes. [/snip]
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Von:pagnu...@htdconnect.com pagnu...@htdconnect.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 18:25 Donnerstag, 26.Januar 2012 Betreff: RE: [Vo]:Resonances: Coupling between electronic states and vibrational modes (phonons)... ...Rossi apparently uses an RF-generator. No. He does not. If you carefully look at the videos of nyteknik, You can see that there is no entry for an RF-gen into the system. A RF-gen is a sophisticated device, I can tell You, and definitely cannot be inside an enclosure which varies in the hundreds of degrees Celsius. If the video of nyteknik is showing the 'real' thing, there is no RF-gen in the system! Anyone supposing that there is one, did not pay attention! Plus: Anyone assuming that controlling an RF-gen of significant power (Watts) in an an environment, where temperatures vary in the hundreds of degrees, is either a fool or a physicist.
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From: Guenter Wildgruber A RF-gen is a sophisticated device, I can tell You, and definitely cannot be inside an enclosure which varies in the hundreds of degrees Celsius. Is this some kind of joke? Your background must be in communications or entertainment. How can anyone define RF as sophisticated for use in energy devices? ROTFL. That borders on absurdity. We are not talking about a need for precision waves for the audiophile, nor information transfer for computers, nor anything other than what would otherwise be called spiky (superradiant) noise. A single diode, properly placed, can convert DC to what is arguably RF - if one is so tolerant as to admit that a certain high level of noise is not a problem and can be an advantage. Jones attachment: winmail.dat
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FYI: The presence of excess heat, and [near] lack of high-E particles/photons from LENR reactions would require coupling the large amount of E into the lattice vibrations (phonon modes) instead of into gammas (photons) or particles (neutrons and subsequently, dead grad-students). The article below looked into the energy-transfer (coupling) process in photosynthesis. They discovered that the coupling between electronic states and vibrational modes is greatly enhanced when they hit the light-harvesting complexes of algae with a 2-color (wavelength) photon spectroscopy. How does this apply to LENR? According to DGT, the form of LENR used in their technology (and likely all Ni-H gas-phase experiments) is a 'multi-stage' process. One of those stages is the coupling of the excess [nuclear] energy into the lattice instead of the usual gammas or energetic particles. I would posit that there is something unique about the geometry of the H-loaded metal lattice and the AMOUNT of heat energy that is present which determines the frequency of the lattice vibrations (phonons), which establishes a coherence similar to the below article which couples energy from electronic states to vibrational modes. The difference is that LENR would be coupling nuclear energies to the lattice... or could there be coupling from nuclear to electronic, and then from electronic to phononic? PhysOrg article: http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-role-quantum-effects-photosynthesis.html Key phrases: By using the newer, less common technique, called two-color photon echo spectroscopy, the researchers could excite only the pathway in which [quantum] coherence occurs. Singling out this pathway revealed clear signatures for strong coupling between the electronic states and the vibrational modes of the protein matrix (phonons) Our observation of strong coupling between the electronic states and the phonon modes of the protein matrix provides strong experimental evidence that classical treatment of these interactions is not sufficient, From the paper's abstract: ... allowing coherent coupling between otherwise nonresonant transitions. which is here: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jz201600f Longer excerpt from PhysOrg article: ... the quantum coherence in the algae's light-harvesting complexes was originally observed using 2D electronic spectroscopy, which uses short, broadband pulses to probe energy dynamics. The use of broadband pulses (i.e., pulses with a wide range of frequencies) excites many different pathways simultaneously. Although this technique can be useful, it also makes it difficult to isolate different processes since multiple excitations can interact and alter each other's dynamics. By using the newer, less common technique, called two-color photon echo spectroscopy, the researchers could excite only the pathway in which [quantum] coherence occurs. Singling out this pathway revealed clear signatures for strong coupling between the electronic states and the vibrational modes of the protein matrix (phonons) in the algae's light-harvesting complexes. As Davis explained, this type of interaction is not what is expected from the classical models that have traditionally been used to describe light harvesting and energy transfer in photosynthesis. Our observation of strong coupling between the electronic states and the phonon modes of the protein matrix provides strong experimental evidence that classical treatment of these interactions is not sufficient, and that models including the microscopic details of the coupling interactions are indeed required, Davis said. The quantum nature of these interactions increases the scope for quantum effects to have an impact and enhances the possibility of coherent energy transfer in photosynthesis. In the future, the researchers plan to further extend the technique to investigate these quantum mechanical interactions and the role they play in light harvesting and energy transfer. We are currently exploring the dependence of these coherent interactions on a number of experimental parameters, including temperature, wavelength and polarization, Davis said. These results will enable us to explore the nature of the excited states, their interactions with the phonon modes of the protein matrix and the role they play in energy transfer. We also plan to investigate whether such long-lived coherences also exist between other states in these systems and ultimately whether coherence transfer between states occurs and is relevant for photosynthesis. attachment: winmail.dat
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Along those lines, you might want to read - PROGRESS ON DUAL LASER EXPERIMENTS http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Hagelsteinprogresson.pdf EXCERPT: We have continued our experiments using duel laser stimulation of electrochemically loaded PdDx. In earlier work, we used two properly oriented and polarized tunable diode lasers which provided stimulation at optical frequencies; interestingly, we found that the excess heat issensitive to the beat difference frequency. Low-level thermal signals are observed to be triggered at apparent resonances when the difference frequency is 8.3, 15.3 and 20.4 THz Perhaps, also related is the ultrasonic Superwave LENR stimulation used by Energetics Technologies - http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DardikIultrasonic.pdf My impression is that their source has a wideband discrete spectrum of phase-locked frequencies - so that the same stimulus signal is repeatedly swept.
