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- Forwarded Message - From: noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com To: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 2:05 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi and Defkalion Split Up RUMORMONGERING - You got evidence, post it! It is obvious Defkalion knows about the catalyst. They would not have invested hundreds of millions of dollars without knowing the identity of it. I keep hearing about this so called press release that was sent out claiming Rossi and Defkalion have split up. Does anyone know where it is located? From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com To: noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi and Defkalion Split Up RUMORMONGERING - You got evidence, post it! If they split up, it means there is no more e-cats made by Defkalion because only Rossi knows about the catalyzer.
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Anyone have any evidence? I'm really hoping if this rumor is *real*, that someone will post the so called press release. If several members of this forum have seen it, they need to post it. Otherwise, I say that several members of this forum are participating in rumor mongering. Please put a big disclaimer on it when you post it, so people will know that it has not been confirmed as being legit. From: noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 1:38 AM Subject: [Vo]:Rossi and Defkalion Split Up RUMORMONGERING - You got evidence, post it! There are rumors that Rossi and Defkalion have split up. However, no evidence has been presented. If you have evidence, present it. Otherwise, this is just rumor mongering.
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On 2011-08-07 07:38, noone noone wrote: There are rumors that Rossi and Defkalion have split up. However, no evidence has been presented. If you have evidence, present it. Here's the evidence, straight from Rossi: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=501cpage=9#comment-59867 Andrea Rossi August 7th, 2011 at 7:52 AM Dear Marcia Pires: Thank you for your question, and here is the PRESS RELEASE : Bologna-Rome (Italy) August 4th 2011 EFA- Energia da Fonti Alternative srl, the Italian Company through which the rights for the production of Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat were granted to Praxen Defkalion Green Technologies LTD, publicly announces that the License and Technology Transfer Agreement between the two companies has been recently terminated. All business relationships with Praxen , the Cyprus based company that owns the Greek company Defkalion Green Technologies S.A., have been cancelled and asof today neither Praxen nor Defkalion, nor any other Greek company whatsoever holds any rights for the production of the E-Cat or for any other exploitation of Andrea Rossi’s technology. Furthermore Andrea Rossi and EFA announce that no information, nor industrial secret, nor any technology whatsoever has been neither transferred, nor disclosed, neither to Praxen, nor to Defkalion, nor to any other Greek company whatsoever and currently Andrea Rossi and EFA are not planning to deal with any other project in Greece. Not one single test, of the many demonstrations of the E-Cat technology held around the world, has ever been done in Greeceand no E-Cat has ever been brought, produced, or assembled in the territory of the Ellenic Republic: so not only the technology is still fully owned by Andrea Rossi’s company, Leonardo Corporation, but it still remains a well preserved industrial secret. Any declaration or public announcement of third parties claiming possession of rights on the E-Cat technology and/or indide knowledge of said technology, as well as any statement of third parties in conflict with the above facts shall be considered a fake and treated as misleading information. Andrea Rossi is the inventor of the “Method and Apparatus for carrying out Nickel and Hydrogen Exothermal reactions” (known to the general public as E-Cat) for which international patent demand no. WO2009/125444 is pending and Italian Patent office has already been issued on April 6th, 2011 the final patent no. 0001387256. EFA Energia da Fonti Alternative s.r.l. is incorporated in Italy. Leonardo Corporation is incorporated in New Hampshire, USA. Contact: EFA srl- Via Marsili 4- 40124 Bologna- Italy So now what about the 1 MW power plant promised for the end of October? I wonder if this will speed up or speed down Rossi's plans. Cheers, S.A.
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Can we not get this Steorn holdover, whoever he really is, removed from this list ? He refuses to post under a real name. He bad-mouths everyone who does not worship Rossi and has no apparent understanding of the science involved. Has he ever contributed anything to our understanding of the situation other than silly fanboy platitudes? Send him back to Steorn where he belongs From: noone noone [mailto:thesteornpa...@yahoo.com] * Otherwise, I say that several members of this forum are participating in rumor mongering. attachment: winmail.dat
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This is something. Hopefully it just tells that neither Defkalion nor Rossi has real resources to make this technology commercially viable soon enough and Rossi will just make technology publicly available and protected only by Italian and soon international patent. If this is not going to happen, then bye bye E-Cat. There is only time left to end of this month for the window that E-Cat is real. —Jouni On Aug 7, 2011 4:14 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-08-07 07:38, noone noone wrote: There are rumors that Rossi and Defkalion have split up. However, no evidence has been presented. If you have evidence, present it. Here's the evidence, straight from Rossi: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=501cpage=9#comment-59867 Andrea Rossi August 7th, 2011 at 7:52 AM Dear Marcia Pires: Thank you for your question, and here is the PRESS RELEASE : Bologna-Rome (Italy) August 4th 2011 EFA- Energia da Fonti Alternative srl, the Italian Company through which the rights for the production of Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat were granted to Praxen Defkalion Green Technologies LTD, publicly announces that the License and Technology Transfer Agreement between the two companies has been recently terminated. All business relationships with Praxen , the Cyprus based company that owns the Greek company Defkalion Green Technologies S.A., have been cancelled and asof today neither Praxen nor Defkalion, nor any other Greek company whatsoever holds any rights for the production of the E-Cat or for any other exploitation of Andrea Rossi’s technology. Furthermore Andrea Rossi and EFA announce that no information, nor industrial secret, nor any technology whatsoever has been neither transferred, nor disclosed, neither to Praxen, nor to Defkalion, nor to any other Greek company whatsoever and currently Andrea Rossi and EFA are not planning to deal with any other project in Greece. Not one single test, of the many demonstrations of the E-Cat technology held around the world, has ever been done in Greeceand no E-Cat has ever been brought, produced, or assembled in the territory of the Ellenic Republic: so not only the technology is still fully owned by Andrea Rossi’s company, Leonardo Corporation, but it still remains a well preserved industrial secret. Any declaration or public announcement of third parties claiming possession of rights on the E-Cat technology and/or indide knowledge of said technology, as well as any statement of third parties in conflict with the above facts shall be considered a fake and treated as misleading information. Andrea Rossi is the inventor of the “Method and Apparatus for carrying out Nickel and Hydrogen Exothermal reactions” (known to the general public as E-Cat) for which international patent demand no. WO2009/125444 is pending and Italian Patent office has already been issued on April 6th, 2011 the final patent no. 0001387256. EFA Energia da Fonti Alternative s.r.l. is incorporated in Italy. Leonardo Corporation is incorporated in New Hampshire, USA. Contact: EFA srl- Via Marsili 4- 40124 Bologna- Italy So now what about the 1 MW power plant promised for the end of October? I wonder if this will speed up or speed down Rossi's plans. Cheers, S.A.
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On 2011-08-07 15:30, Jouni Valkonen wrote: This is something. Hopefully it just tells that neither Defkalion nor Rossi has real resources to make this technology commercially viable soon enough and Rossi will just make technology publicly available and protected only by Italian and soon international patent. If this is not going to happen, then bye bye E-Cat. There is only time left to end of this month for the window that E-Cat is real. Well, according to Rossi: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=501cpage=9#comment-59864 Andrea Rossi August 7th, 2011 at 7:28 AM Dear Alvaro Rodriguez: Thank you for your honest comment; in any case the start up in October of a 1 MW plant eill cut the head of the bull. Warm Regards, A.R. There will be start up of a 1 MW plant in October anyway. I suspect it will be Ampenergo's. Cheers, S.A.
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It seems Rossi's ways are inherently tortuous Have asked my Greek friends and now I will see what says Daniele if he knows more. I have never ruined. a 200M euro business so I envy Rossi But it is quite incredible.. . Peter On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: On 2011-08-07 15:30, Jouni Valkonen wrote: This is something. Hopefully it just tells that neither Defkalion nor Rossi has real resources to make this technology commercially viable soon enough and Rossi will just make technology publicly available and protected only by Italian and soon international patent. If this is not going to happen, then bye bye E-Cat. There is only time left to end of this month for the window that E-Cat is real. Well, according to Rossi: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-**physics.com/?p=501cpage=9#**comment-59864http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=501cpage=9#comment-59864 Andrea Rossi August 7th, 2011 at 7:28 AM Dear Alvaro Rodriguez: Thank you for your honest comment; in any case the start up in October of a 1 MW plant eill cut the head of the bull. Warm Regards, A.R. There will be start up of a 1 MW plant in October anyway. I suspect it will be Ampenergo's. Cheers, S.A. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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The big October demo in Greece is going to be cancelled ? 2011/8/7 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com It seems Rossi's ways are inherently tortuous Have asked my Greek friends and now I will see what says Daniele if he knows more. I have never ruined. a 200M euro business so I envy Rossi But it is quite incredible.. . Peter On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-08-07 15:30, Jouni Valkonen wrote: This is something. Hopefully it just tells that neither Defkalion nor Rossi has real resources to make this technology commercially viable soon enough and Rossi will just make technology publicly available and protected only by Italian and soon international patent. If this is not going to happen, then bye bye E-Cat. There is only time left to end of this month for the window that E-Cat is real. Well, according to Rossi: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-**physics.com/?p=501cpage=9#** comment-59864http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=501cpage=9#comment-59864 Andrea Rossi August 7th, 2011 at 7:28 AM Dear Alvaro Rodriguez: Thank you for your honest comment; in any case the start up in October of a 1 MW plant eill cut the head of the bull. Warm Regards, A.R. There will be start up of a 1 MW plant in October anyway. I suspect it will be Ampenergo's. Cheers, S.A. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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Will take place in the US with the collaboration of the greatest scientists of the world (Who are they?) This bizarre news is already on Daniele's 22 Passi blog with no inside information yet. Defkalion site inactive. Waiting for Prof Sremmenos's explanations too. Peter On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Andrea Selva andreagiuseppe.se...@gmail.com wrote: The big October demo in Greece is going to be cancelled ? 2011/8/7 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com It seems Rossi's ways are inherently tortuous Have asked my Greek friends and now I will see what says Daniele if he knows more. I have never ruined. a 200M euro business so I envy Rossi But it is quite incredible.. . Peter On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-08-07 15:30, Jouni Valkonen wrote: This is something. Hopefully it just tells that neither Defkalion nor Rossi has real resources to make this technology commercially viable soon enough and Rossi will just make technology publicly available and protected only by Italian and soon international patent. If this is not going to happen, then bye bye E-Cat. There is only time left to end of this month for the window that E-Cat is real. Well, according to Rossi: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-**physics.com/?p=501cpage=9#** comment-59864http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=501cpage=9#comment-59864 Andrea Rossi August 7th, 2011 at 7:28 AM Dear Alvaro Rodriguez: Thank you for your honest comment; in any case the start up in October of a 1 MW plant eill cut the head of the bull. Warm Regards, A.R. There will be start up of a 1 MW plant in October anyway. I suspect it will be Ampenergo's. Cheers, S.A. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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On 2011-08-07 15:58, Andrea Selva wrote: The big October demo in Greece is going to be cancelled ? He's going to demonstrate his megawatt plant in the USA: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=501cpage=9#comment-59881 Andrea Rossi August 7th, 2011 at 9:00 AM Dear Sterling: I prefer that the reasons will be cleared by a judge by a verdict. Facts, not chatters, as usual with me. Our attorneys have filed a suit. I confirm that our 1 MW plant will be put in operation in the USA, after an agreement we made last week with one of the most important entities of the USA; the tests will be made by the highest level scientists you can think of. I cannot give the names, until after the test. To the test will attend the highest level scientific journalists I know. Thank you for your kind attention, A.R. Cheers, S.A.
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Andrea Rossi August 7th, 2011 at 9:00 AM Dear Sterling: I prefer that the reasons will be cleared by a judge by a verdict. Facts, not chatters, as usual with me. Our attorneys have filed a suit. I confirm that our 1 MW plant will be put in operation in the USA, after an agreement we made last week with one of the most important entities of the USA; the tests will be made by the highest level scientists you can think of. I cannot give the names, until after the test. To the test will attend the highest level scientific journalists I know. Amazing. No product yet and the hounds of hell have already been unleashed. What a feeding frenzy this will become. . . . one of the most important entities of the USA . . . Well, politically speaking, that must mean the AMA or the AARP! T, Baby Boomer
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At 02:06 AM 8/7/2011, noone noone wrote: - Forwarded Message - From: noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com To: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 2:05 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi and Defkalion Split Up RUMORMONGERING - You got evidence, post it! It is obvious Defkalion knows about the catalyst. They would not have invested hundreds of millions of dollars without knowing the identity of it. I keep hearing about this so called press release that was sent out claiming Rossi and Defkalion have split up. Does anyone know where it is located? From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com To: noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi and Defkalion Split Up RUMORMONGERING - You got evidence, post it! If they split up, it means there is no more e-cats made by Defkalion because only Rossi knows about the catalyzer. Un-be-lievable, what people will assume in the absence of knowledge. And then they will build structures of belief on what they imagined. I'd think that Rossi would not disclose the catalyst to Defkalion, not at this point. But he might have. He might, instead, have agreed to deposit the information with a trustee, in escrow. It would be whatever Defkalion and Rossi agreed. For Rossi to keep the catalyst secret at this point was rational. (Except that he thereby might have rendedered his patent useless, that's a different issue.) We don't know the nature of the agreement between Rossi and Defkalion, nor what contingencies it contemplates. It's quite possible that Defkalion, for various reasons, might want to disentangle themselves from Rossi. And they might indeed have the catalyst, or something that works as well. Or even better. Perhaps they did, indeed, invest hundreds of millions of dollars or euros. A tiny fraction of that would fund a massive investigation of possiblities, the testing of thousands of them. For all we know, they did this. Or they didn't. In the other direction, I've seen no evidence at all that Defkalion has invested hundreds of millions of dollars, and that is so unlikely (except for the kind of research that would be independent of Rossi) that I might as well say that they have not. They have spent far, far less, and they have merely arranged, we might assume, *commitments* for large sums, based on promised delivery and conditions for payment. Defkalion is, it seems, far more noise than substance at this point. They are, indeed, spending money, but not much compared to the potential return if Rossi delivers good product. As to the press release, it appears from the testimony of a participant here that some people, possible investors, have seen it. It purports to be from the company owned or largely owned by Rossi's wife. There is no verification of this, and, as pointed out, it could be completely phoney. A rift between Rossi and Defkalion at this point would be amazing, though. And I won't speculate more than that.
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From Defkalion web page: Company Structure Praxen Defkalion Green Technologies (Global) Ltd., is based in Cyprus; it owns the contract signed with the inventor regarding the industrial secret with right of first refusal to sell globally except the US. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/profile end It surely implies that Rossi gave up the sauce recipe. T
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From Terry Dear Sterling: I prefer that the reasons will be cleared by a judge by a verdict. Facts, not chatters, as usual with me. Our attorneys have filed a suit. I confirm that our 1 MW plant will be put in operation in the USA, after an agreement we made last week with one of the most important entities of the USA; the tests will be made by the highest level scientists you can think of. I cannot give the names, until after the test. To the test will attend the highest level scientific journalists I know. Amazing. No product yet and the hounds of hell have already been unleashed. What a feeding frenzy this will become. . . . one of the most important entities of the USA . . . Well, politically speaking, that must mean the AMA or the AARP! Admittedly, I want Rossi to succeed. Obviously, I'm an old softie. That said, Rossi's comments sure sound like chest beating to me. I suspect that at present any important entities within the USA if asked point blank, Are you collaborating with Rossi on the matter of testing his eCats? would immediately disavow any knowledge of Rossi and of any prior dealings. Rossi who? As for me, I can't tell if this implies there might exist a serious engineering problem with Rossi's eCats, or whether it is simply another symptom of there being too many alpha males trying to dominate the only troop in town perceived to be worth dominating. I wonder what Levi thinks about the latest drama. Regards, (Card carrying AARP member) Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: From Defkalion web page: Company Structure Praxen Defkalion Green Technologies (Global) Ltd., is based in Cyprus; it owns the contract signed with the inventor regarding the industrial secret with right of first refusal to sell globally except the US. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/profile end It surely implies that Rossi gave up the sauce recipe. Yup. Either Rossi is lying, or Defkalion is. It could not be more clear cut. What a damn circus. It is sad that cold fusion keeps ending up in controversy and fiascos. - Jed
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LOL (well, OK, just chuckling, really) And so Rossi's exit strategy from the Defkalion situation has materialized. It's probably not quite what anyone expected, but it's certainly gotten him off the hook for delivering anything to them. Lots of tortuous explanations of the split are possible. A very simple one, however, seems to have been rejected by most Vorts: Defkalion was really on the up and up, but the deal was pending waiting on delivery of the actual, working technology by Rossi. Since Rossi doesn't have any actual, working technology, the delivery never happened, and so the deal fell through. Tant pis. October will be interesting. On 11-08-07 09:12 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-08-07 07:38, noone noone wrote: There are rumors that Rossi and Defkalion have split up. However, no evidence has been presented. If you have evidence, present it. Here's the evidence, straight from Rossi: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=501cpage=9#comment-59867 Andrea Rossi August 7th, 2011 at 7:52 AM Dear Marcia Pires: Thank you for your question, and here is the PRESS RELEASE : Bologna-Rome (Italy) August 4th 2011 EFA- Energia da Fonti Alternative srl, the Italian Company through which the rights for the production of Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat were granted to Praxen Defkalion Green Technologies LTD, publicly announces that the License and Technology Transfer Agreement between the two companies has been recently terminated. All business relationships with Praxen , the Cyprus based company that owns the Greek company Defkalion Green Technologies S.A., have been cancelled and asof today neither Praxen nor Defkalion, nor any other Greek company whatsoever holds any rights for the production of the E-Cat or for any other exploitation of Andrea Rossi’s technology. Furthermore Andrea Rossi and EFA announce that no information, nor industrial secret, nor any technology whatsoever has been neither transferred, nor disclosed, neither to Praxen, nor to Defkalion, nor to any other Greek company whatsoever and currently Andrea Rossi and EFA are not planning to deal with any other project in Greece. Not one single test, of the many demonstrations of the E-Cat technology held around the world, has ever been done in Greeceand no E-Cat has ever been brought, produced, or assembled in the territory of the Ellenic Republic: so not only the technology is still fully owned by Andrea Rossi’s company, Leonardo Corporation, but it still remains a well preserved industrial secret. Any declaration or public announcement of third parties claiming possession of rights on the E-Cat technology and/or indide knowledge of said technology, as well as any statement of third parties in conflict with the above facts shall be considered a fake and treated as misleading information. Andrea Rossi is the inventor of the “Method and Apparatus for carrying out Nickel and Hydrogen Exothermal reactions” (known to the general public as E-Cat) for which international patent demand no. WO2009/125444 is pending and Italian Patent office has already been issued on April 6th, 2011 the final patent no. 0001387256. EFA Energia da Fonti Alternative s.r.l. is incorporated in Italy. Leonardo Corporation is incorporated in New Hampshire, USA. Contact: EFA srl- Via Marsili 4- 40124 Bologna- Italy So now what about the 1 MW power plant promised for the end of October? I wonder if this will speed up or speed down Rossi's plans. Cheers, S.A.
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Perhaps I should read all my mail before responding to the older messages. Still, I don't think I embarassed myself by what I wrote. At 09:12 AM 8/7/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: ... Here's the evidence, straight from Rossi: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=501cpage=9#comment-59867 With some satisfaction, I suppose, I note that all those who defended Rossi's claim by supposing that Defkalion had tested the technology must now assume that either Rossi is lying or they were incorrect. I don't think Rossi is lying, though he could be. Fascinating.
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From Abd: With some satisfaction, I suppose, I note that all those who defended Rossi's claim by supposing that Defkalion had tested the technology must now assume that either Rossi is lying or they were incorrect. I don't think Rossi is lying, though he could be. Fascinating. Indeed fascinating. Rossi's comments suggest to me that he is doing his absolute best to give everyone the impression that he is still in sole possession of his eCat technology. In regards to what Defkalion may be in possession of, I would speculate that it very well may be Rossi who is bending the facts just a tad. Meanwhile, from Rossi's POV, he must do everything he can to give the impression that only he knows the secret sauce formula. It's one of the best ways I can think of how one would go about trying to persuade a court of law that one is still the only rightful owner of the sauce recipe. After reading the fine print, however, it may turn out not necessarily to be the case. We shall see. Off to court we go.
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At 12:31 PM 8/7/2011, Terry Blanton wrote: From Defkalion web page: Company Structure Praxen Defkalion Green Technologies (Global) Ltd., is based in Cyprus; it owns the contract signed with the inventor regarding the industrial secret with right of first refusal to sell globally except the US. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/profilehttp://www.defkalion-energy.com/profile end It surely implies that Rossi gave up the sauce recipe. Nope. It implies a contract with the inventor regarding the industrial secret. It does not state that the secret was disclosed. I'd guess that the the contract provided for disclosure at some time. If the secret *was* disclosed, Rossi may have a stronger case to sue them if they market a device based on that secret. But what if they, with a crash research program, or otherwise, discovered something *better*? They would then have an albatross, their contract with Rossi. Being highly skilled business people, possibly not above some manipulation, and being able to see quite clearly who Mr. Rossi was, they pushed his buttons in the right way to induce him to cancel the contract. Like shooting fish in a barrel, or taking candy from a baby. Reading some of Rossi's boasts about what would happen if interests, he called them snakes, tried to cheat him, he was making a very old mistake. If you are the fastest gun in the west, and really!, you don't brag about it, because it will encourage challenges and sooner or later, you will slip. And it only takes one slip, and it's over. I kept wondering why Rossi was talking on his blog at all. It wasn't helping him, it was a waste of his very valuable time, if he was going to deliver. The answer would be psychological. And the more Rossi did it, the more visible were his vulnerabilities. He might as well have said, If you want me to do X, push this button. Rossi could have and should have delegated response there to someone he trusted. If he trusts anyone!
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At 12:34 PM 8/7/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Yup. Either Rossi is lying, or Defkalion is. It could not be more clear cut. Nope. That's just more assumption masquerading as proof. It's entirely possible that Defkalion is testing Hyperions, and Rossi did not provide them. It's possible that they did what was necessary to find what works, not waiting for Rossi, working alone, with very limited funding, to deliver. Jed, it would have taken chump change compared to what was going to be due to Rossi. What a damn circus. It is sad that cold fusion keeps ending up in controversy and fiascos. It's absolutely not surprising, Jed. I warned about allowing this to be associated with the science of cold fusion. None of this met scientific protocols for trusting new discoveries. Skepticism was completely appropriate, hence my odd alliance with Joshua Cude. I'd say it's time to start averting damage. It's time for people who support cold fusion to jump on the skeptical bandwagon. It's not necessary to claim that Rossi was a fraud, though that's my conclusion. It's not necessary to fall for the pseudo-skeptical argument that Rossi's claims were impossible. They were not impossible. But they were, indeed, appearing to be stronger and more reliable than anyone else had reported, by far. And skepticism about *that* was very proper. You ridiculed the skepticism, mistaking it for pseudoskepticism. I recommend, highly, acknowledging the error. I guarantee you, it won't hurt, or, at least, it will hurt far less than trying to continue in pretense. We may still hope that Ni-H reactors will be demonstrated and will go on sale soon. But we should not treat this as something proven and already accomplished, without proof and actual accomplishment, validated and confirmed. Normal science. Real skepticism is a crucial part of it! (There are other important parts, such as open-mindedness, etc.)
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Abd said... Rossi could have and should have delegated response there to someone he trusted. If he trusts anyone! Indeed, if I were Rossi, I'd have a hard time trusting anyone... Assuming that Defkalion has 'played' Rossi, what I'd like to know is if Stremmenos is complicit in this deception... I guess his years as a politician have corrupted his integrity as a scientist. Isn't anyone immune from the corruption of politics? All the more reason for term limits... -Mark
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On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Assuming that Defkalion has 'played' Rossi, what I'd like to know is if Stremmenos is complicit in this deception... I guess his years as a politician have corrupted his integrity as a scientist. Isn't anyone immune from the corruption of politics? All the more reason for term limits... There might be no deceit. Defkalion might indeed have licensed Rossi technology and, somewhere in the development process, simply discovered a better way to skin an ecat. It happens all the time. Defkalion's technology could be separately patentable and Rossi is only mentioned as prior art. T
Re: Fw: [Vo]:Rossi and Defkalion Split Up RUMORMONGERING - You got evidence, post it!
Problems... if not Major, then are minor, albeit many, however, now ever, since obviously these very little crooked black ma r k s right now, wrong now, occupy awareness, then, confusion (not just about cold fusion) is being imagined within single entire unified creative fractal hyperinfinity, so confusion imagined has a before and an after, ie, confusion is temporary -- WS: ...Our revels now are ended. These our actors, As I foretold you, were all spirits and Are melted into air, into thin air: And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, The cloud-capp'd towers, the gorgeous palaces, The solemn temples, the great globe itself, Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff As dreams are made on, and our little life Is rounded with a sleep. In mutual service, Rich Murray
[Vo]:Rossi and Defkalion Split Up RUMORMONGERING - You got evidence, post it!
There are rumors that Rossi and Defkalion have split up. However, no evidence has been presented. If you have evidence, present it. Otherwise, this is just rumor mongering.
