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In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 25 Oct 2012 10:18:19 -0400: Hi, [snip] Even if the producer felt that way, the programs arriving on earth would have left Alpha centauri five years earlier, and there would be no way of knowing how much is in the pipeline. That's why it is pointless without FTL communications. [snip] Really, it is hard to know what humans would do with such advanced technology. Life may seem pointless, as Orwell pointed out in The Road to Wigan Pier. I suspect that one way they keep themselves busy is by shepherding the development of more primitive species on other planets. (Welcome to the flock ;) BTW the special theory of relativity does not preclude FTL communications, just FTL travel in normal space. However if a change in the condition of spacetime can be communicated without the need to transfer energy (think e.g. AharonovBohm effect), where the power to drive the receiver is supplied locally, then FTL communications may be possible. If so, then one may also expect very high bandwidth as a natural consequence. Another possibility is communications through worm holes (i.e. outside of normal space), as extensively explored in various TV SciFi series. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Even if the producer felt that way, the programs arriving on earth would have left Alpha centauri five years earlier, and there would be no way of knowing how much is in the pipeline. That's why it is pointless without FTL communications. I would not say pointless. Not at a distance of 5 LY. As other people here pointed out, there was profitable trade between Europe and East Asia when the round-trip took a year or two. (It took that long mainly because of trade winds, I think.) 5-year latency is short enough to live with and still make some meaningful commercial contracts . . . Although I guess it is a 10-year round trip, a contract is meaningless. Call them agreements. Exchange programs. You can still exchange ideas and help one-another progress and do scientific research, for example. At a distance of 20 LY I think any outward transmission from Earth would be philanthropic. It would not benefit the people here. Any question they might have would be answered too late. Any collaboration in research or the arts would take too long. I expect we would continue broadcasting, as a favor to the pioneers in other star systems, not with any hope of profit or benefit to ourselves. Not in the short term of one human lifetime, anyway. I suppose eventually a message coming from Sirius A might be of some use to us. It might be a smash-hit movie or novel. The theme of romantic life on the frontier is always popular. Drifting ever more off-topic . . . Long term communication at great distances (and long time spans) is problematic because of linguistic drift. All languages change inexorably. The rate of change varies, depending on living conditions. People who go off into the wilderness in small groups tend to preserve their dialect. That is why American English is older than British English, and why we still pronounce our r in words like car. People who went into the American wilderness in 1700 sounded strange to the British by 1800, whereas those in Boston continued to be influenced by changes in Britain, and they too dropped their r. In Cambridge, Mass you paak your caaa in Haavard yahd (Park your car in Harvard yard). Broadcasts from 400 LY away will sound like English circa 1600 does to us. Like Shakespeare. With many words we no longer use, and many that have changed in meaning, such as brave meaning beautiful, wonderful. Brave in the modern sense makes the famous quote from the The Tempest O brave new world quite different from what Shakespeare had in mind. He used that world a lot. Try looking for brave here, and you will see it has little to do with courage; i.e., brave utensils, a brave lass and a ship being tight and yare and bravely rigg'd: http://shakespeare.mit.edu/tempest/full.html (By the way, the last person who used the word yare, and used it perfectly, was Lauren Bacall. She practically embodies it.) A lot of people have trouble understanding Shakespeare. See the reviews here: http://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/Coriolanus/70175130 - Jed
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Guys, Just a quick strangeness update... My energetic particle model for the link between seismic/sinkholes and Hurricanes/Low Pressure Systems is predicting the most likely destination for Hurricane Sandy is Albion, NY, the site of a LARGE sinkhole which shutdown the Erie Canal for a couple of weeks this Summer in July/August. It appears that Hurricane particles orbit for a couple of months before their decay takes them underground and the low pressure system approaches the seismic/sinkhole. I locked in on it yesterday and the last 4 NOAA model updates are moving it towards center also. They had an earthquake there today... Energetic Particle is my kinder/gentler name for a micro black hole or dark/collapsed matter. They gradually collapse the Earth from their gravitational pull with each pass. I think they come in all sizes, down to well, maybe CF and/or Neutrino size... Stewart http://darkmattersalot.com On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Even if the producer felt that way, the programs arriving on earth would have left Alpha centauri five years earlier, and there would be no way of knowing how much is in the pipeline. That's why it is pointless without FTL communications. I would not say pointless. Not at a distance of 5 LY. As other people here pointed out, there was profitable trade between Europe and East Asia when the round-trip took a year or two. (It took that long mainly because of trade winds, I think.) 5-year latency is short enough to live with and still make some meaningful commercial contracts . . . Although I guess it is a 10-year round trip, a contract is meaningless. Call them agreements. Exchange programs. You can still exchange ideas and help one-another progress and do scientific research, for example. At a distance of 20 LY I think any outward transmission from Earth would be philanthropic. It would not benefit the people here. Any question they might have would be answered too late. Any collaboration in research or the arts would take too long. I expect we would continue broadcasting, as a favor to the pioneers in other star systems, not with any hope of profit or benefit to ourselves. Not in the short term of one human lifetime, anyway. I suppose eventually a message coming from Sirius A might be of some use to us. It might be a smash-hit movie or novel. The theme of romantic life on the frontier is always popular. Drifting ever more off-topic . . . Long term communication at great distances (and long time spans) is problematic because of linguistic drift. All languages change inexorably. The rate of change varies, depending on living conditions. People who go off into the wilderness in small groups tend to preserve their dialect. That is why American English is older than British English, and why we still pronounce our r in words like car. People who went into the American wilderness in 1700 sounded strange to the British by 1800, whereas those in Boston continued to be influenced by changes in Britain, and they too dropped their r. In Cambridge, Mass you paak your caaa in Haavard yahd (Park your car in Harvard yard). Broadcasts from 400 LY away will sound like English circa 1600 does to us. Like Shakespeare. With many words we no longer use, and many that have changed in meaning, such as brave meaning beautiful, wonderful. Brave in the modern sense makes the famous quote from the The Tempest O brave new world quite different from what Shakespeare had in mind. He used that world a lot. Try looking for brave here, and you will see it has little to do with courage; i.e., brave utensils, a brave lass and a ship being tight and yare and bravely rigg'd: http://shakespeare.mit.edu/tempest/full.html (By the way, the last person who used the word yare, and used it perfectly, was Lauren Bacall. She practically embodies it.) A lot of people have trouble understanding Shakespeare. See the reviews here: http://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/Coriolanus/70175130 - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Aliens Favour Romney
I recall an old BBC serial, A for Andromeda I think it might have been called, must be nearly 60 years ago. A long radio signal from Andromeda gives DNA sequences. Which the scientists cannot resist growing, with nearly catastrophic results for humans. From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 October 2012 23:09 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Aliens Favour Romney mix...@bigpond.com wrote: There's a nice little SciFi short story about this (sorry, can't remember title or author). The basic theme is that trade is in concepts rather than objects, since these are readily exchanged, and of value to many. Exactly. Concepts, and the templates for replicators. (Replicators are universal production machines that can make anything.) I doubt we will ever be able to communicate with an alien species enough for practical purposes, but if in the distant future people colonize other stars, I can well imagine a stream of data between the other stars and our solar system. It would include things such as: News gossip Scientific research Patents and intellectual property Replicator templates for everything from new machines and recent works of art, to new kinds of food, ready-to-eat meals, and possibly new species or important people. If another Einstein is born on Alpha centauri they may send us a copy of him. Novels, movies Pornography! It is a little difficult to imagine how we might pay for this kind of trade. How could this be a commercial transaction in any sense? Do you wire transfer money to people you can never have physical contact with you? I assume that a spaceship will take decades or centuries to reach even the closest star. What is the point of sending valuable physical objects or currency to someone's great-great grandchild? Would you fax them a check? How would they cash it, with what organization? Who would keep track of the balance, and why? Would you send them a barrel of currency? Why not send them one dollar in a replicator template and tell them to reproduce it. Actually, cash money will soon be rendered useless and ridiculous by replication machines here on earth. Within a few centuries we will be able to make perfect copies of currency, and probably diamonds or even gold coins, if we learn to transmute elements. I have heard that a good computer scanner and printer can already make a counterfeit dollar bill that fools a change machine or a MARTA ticket machine. Anyway, such trade will be useful for stars within ~30 light years. After that, the new technology will be old, and the news will be history. See chapter 10 of Profiles, Space, the Unconquerable Quote: [Interstellar] space can be mapped and crossed and occupied without definable limit; but it can never be conquered. When our race has reached its ultimate achievements, and the stars themselves are scattered no more widely than the seed of Adam, even then we shall still be like ants crawling on the face of the Earth. The ants have covered the world, but have they conquered it -- for what do their countless colonies know of it, or of each other? So it will be with us as we spread outward from Mother Earth, loosening the bonds of kinship and understand-ing, hearing faint and belated rumors at second -- or third -- or thousandth-hand of an ever-dwindling fraction of the entire human race. Though Earth will try to keep in touch with her children, in the end all the efforts of her archivists and historians will be defeated by time and distance, and the sheer bulk of material. For the number of distinct societies or nations, when our race is twice its present age, may be far greater than the total number of all the men who have ever lived up to the present time. - Jed
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mix...@bigpond.com wrote: BTW such a system will effectively have to wait at least until FTL communications are achieved. I'm with St. Albert on this. I doubt that FTL communication or travel is possible. Anyway, what I wrote is predicated on that assumption. Actual interstellar travel will be rare . . . Even the concept of barter is cloudy when there is physical contact between the parties. It is hard to imagine a television producer on Earth saying: I've had it with those people at Alpha centauri! We sent them five miniseries last year, and they sent us only one in return. We're not broadcasting anything more in their direction until they pay up. Even if the producer felt that way, the programs arriving on earth would have left Alpha centauri five years earlier, and there would be no way of knowing how much is in the pipeline. You cut back broadcasts from Earth and two years later, even before the people at Alpha centauri learn you are upset, you get 8 broadcasts from them. It would be impossible to coordinate or balance the books. That's with a star 5 light years away. The ones that are 20 years away, you get to make one business decision during your entire career, since it takes 40 years for them to respond to your new marketing program or your proposed new sales contract. Even 5 years would be ridiculously slow. In this part of the galaxy stars are no closer than ~5 LY. Really, the only way to work it is to throw the information at them for free, with no expected benefit or return on investment on your end. For intellectual property, they sure can't pay royalties. On the other hand, they can't undersell you or outsource your workforce. Not that there will be any human workers . . . A civilization capable of interstellar travel would surely have perfected robots enough to replace all human workers. Humans would make decisions only. Really, it is hard to know what humans would do with such advanced technology. Life may seem pointless, as Orwell pointed out in The Road to Wigan Pier. - Jed
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Maybe they should research how Europe traded with Asia before the telegraph. 2012/10/25 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com I've had it with those people at Alpha centauri! We sent them five miniseries last year, and they sent us only one in return. We're not broadcasting anything more in their direction until they pay up. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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I meant to say: Even the concept of barter is cloudy when there is *NO* physical contact between the parties. Or when it is delayed by many human generations. I am assuming the human lifetime is not extended much beyond 80 to 100 years. I suppose there would be some physical contact. Hundreds of years after a colony is set up at Alpha centauri, there might be new groups people on Earth who want to go there, perhaps because they like the culture. They might set out on a 80-year trip, in suspended animation, or in an arc where their grandchildren arrive. - Jed
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Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe they should research how Europe traded with Asia before the telegraph. Exactly! That was a similar situation in the 17th and early 18th century, where trade took a year or two for anything to happen. The European trade with Japan was awkward to conduct. Very profitable, but awkward. By the late 18th can 19th centuries ships were much faster and safer. In the 16th century there was a kind of reverse life-insurance offered to people going to Asia and the Americas. I recall a reference to it in one of Shakespeare's plays. You pay some amount to a broker. If you manage to return within 10 years, the broker pays you back far more than you paid in. The expectation was that you would not return. - Jed
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On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe they should research how Europe traded with Asia before the telegraph. Some of the trading occurred indirectly through intermediaries. Harry 2012/10/25 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com I've had it with those people at Alpha centauri! We sent them five miniseries last year, and they sent us only one in return. We're not broadcasting anything more in their direction until they pay up. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: The remainder of this paper is, or will be, or has been, depending on the reader's inertial frame, divided into three sections. That's wonderful. Still, I can't think of any reason for interstellar trade. If you can travel between stars you can also send a complete replicator images for any manufactured material object. Eventually even for living things, and people. I am not sure what to call the software image you put into a replicator. Design? Blueprint? Genome? Here are some, whatever you call them: http://www.thingiverse.com/ - Jed
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I wrote: I am not sure what to call the software image you put into a replicator. Design? Blueprint? Genome? Template? Clarke described replicators in Profiles (1963). He called the instructions the matrix or memory. The ones we have now are only the beginning of the technology. Clarke wrote: The advent of the replicator would mean the end of all factories, and perhaps all transportation of raw materials and all farming. The entire structure of industry and commerce, as it is now organized, would cease to exist. Every family would produce all that it needed on the spot—as, indeed, it has had to do throughout most of human history. The present machine era of mass production would then be seen as a brief interregnum between two far longer periods of self-sufficiency, and the only valuable items of exchange would be the matrices, or recordings, which had to be inserted in the replicator to control its creations. - Jed
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In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:57:27 -0400: Hi, [snip] Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: The remainder of this paper is, or will be, or has been, depending on the reader's inertial frame, divided into three sections. That's wonderful. Still, I can't think of any reason for interstellar trade. There's a nice little SciFi short story about this (sorry, can't remember title or author). The basic theme is that trade is in concepts rather than objects, since these are readily exchanged, and of value to many. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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mix...@bigpond.com wrote: There's a nice little SciFi short story about this (sorry, can't remember title or author). The basic theme is that trade is in concepts rather than objects, since these are readily exchanged, and of value to many. Exactly. Concepts, and the templates for replicators. (Replicators are universal production machines that can make anything.) I doubt we will ever be able to communicate with an alien species enough for practical purposes, but if in the distant future people colonize other stars, I can well imagine a stream of data between the other stars and our solar system. It would include things such as: News gossip Scientific research Patents and intellectual property Replicator templates for everything from new machines and recent works of art, to new kinds of food, ready-to-eat meals, and possibly new species or important people. If another Einstein is born on Alpha centauri they may send us a copy of him. Novels, movies Pornography! It is a little difficult to imagine how we might pay for this kind of trade. How could this be a commercial transaction in any sense? Do you wire transfer money to people you can never have physical contact with you? I assume that a spaceship will take decades or centuries to reach even the closest star. What is the point of sending valuable physical objects or currency to someone's great-great grandchild? Would you fax them a check? How would they cash it, with what organization? Who would keep track of the balance, and why? Would you send them a barrel of currency? Why not send them one dollar in a replicator template and tell them to reproduce it. Actually, cash money will soon be rendered useless and ridiculous by replication machines here on earth. Within a few centuries we will be able to make perfect copies of currency, and probably diamonds or even gold coins, if we learn to transmute elements. I have heard that a good computer scanner and printer can already make a counterfeit dollar bill that fools a change machine or a MARTA ticket machine. Anyway, such trade will be useful for stars within ~30 light years. After that, the new technology will be old, and the news will be history. See chapter 10 of Profiles, Space, the Unconquerable Quote: [Interstellar] space can be mapped and crossed and occupied without definable limit; but it can never be conquered. When our race has reached its ultimate achievements, and the stars themselves are scattered no more widely than the seed of Adam, even then we shall still be like ants crawling on the face of the Earth. The ants have covered the world, but have they conquered it -- for what do their countless colonies know of it, or of each other? So it will be with us as we spread outward from Mother Earth, loosening the bonds of kinship and understanding, hearing faint and belated rumors at second -- or third -- or thousandth-hand of an ever-dwindling fraction of the entire human race. Though Earth will try to keep in touch with her children, in the end all the efforts of her archivists and historians will be defeated by time and distance, and the sheer bulk of material. For the number of distinct societies or nations, when our race is twice its present age, may be far greater than the total number of all the men who have ever lived up to the present time. - Jed
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In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:09:27 -0400: Hi, [snip] It is a little difficult to imagine how we might pay for this kind of trade. How could this be a commercial transaction in any sense? Obviously the only system that would work is barter. IOW payment in kind. BTW such a system will effectively have to wait at least until FTL communications are achieved. Actual interstellar travel will be rare, and restricted to those that wish to study other worlds at first hand in order to acquire knowledge that is not readily traded. e.g. I can imagine that any given race might be cautious about telegraphing their DNA into the cosmos, lest it be used to create biological weapons (the only sort worth deploying at interstellar distances.) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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Call me an optimist if you will, but I assume that we will be capable of traveling at effectively greater than light speed some day. I understand that current theories (SR) prohibit this, but they also prohibit LENR. Some ideas concerning worm holes, among others, are being kicked around that one day may open an unknown door. One of the amazing things about human thought is that we tend to be incapable of extending our minds beyond science that is currently understood. Remember many years ago when it was suggested that the US patent office should be closed because there was nothing of importance left to invent? We remain trapped within that mode of thinking to an extent even now. I hope that one day we will communicate with alien species and be roughly their equals with respect to intelligence. We will be in big trouble if they think of us in the manner that we look upon lower earth species. There is reason to believe that intelligence of a biological origin has a limit since once a species such as man reaches a certain level they can dominate their home planet. Little is to be gained after that level of intellect has been achieved since the dangers from competitive creatures quickly dissolves. Unfortunately, machines should be capable of virtually unlimited knowledge since they are designed for that very feature and evolve rapidly. It will be troublesome if a Star Trek like Borg group was designed into existence with the desire to cleanse the galaxy of lesser races. It does appear that interstellar trade in materials would be stretching it a lot. IP might always be important to others that inhabit the universe and free trade in non war related concepts would be acceptable. Lets hope that war between species is not carried forward as a normal function, and I can think of no reason for it to be useful once free access and trade is established. It is fun to delve into science fiction subjects, especially when one is about to fall asleep at the keyboard. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 24, 2012 6:09 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Aliens Favour Romney mix...@bigpond.com wrote: There's a nice little SciFi short story about this (sorry, can't remember title or author). The basic theme is that trade is in concepts rather than objects, since these are readily exchanged, and of value to many. Exactly. Concepts, and the templates for replicators. (Replicators are universal production machines that can make anything.) I doubt we will ever be able to communicate with an alien species enough for practical purposes, but if in the distant future people colonize other stars, I can well imagine a stream of data between the other stars and our solar system. It would include things such as: News gossip Scientific research Patents and intellectual property Replicator templates for everything from new machines and recent works of art, to new kinds of food, ready-to-eat meals, and possibly new species or important people. If another Einstein is born on Alpha centauri they may send us a copy of him. Novels, movies Pornography! It is a little difficult to imagine how we might pay for this kind of trade. How could this be a commercial transaction in any sense? Do you wire transfer money to people you can never have physical contact with you? I assume that a spaceship will take decades or centuries to reach even the closest star. What is the point of sending valuable physical objects or currency to someone's great-great grandchild? Would you fax them a check? How would they cash it, with what organization? Who would keep track of the balance, and why? Would you send them a barrel of currency? Why not send them one dollar in a replicator template and tell them to reproduce it. Actually, cash money will soon be rendered useless and ridiculous by replication machines here on earth. Within a few centuries we will be able to make perfect copies of currency, and probably diamonds or even gold coins, if we learn to transmute elements. I have heard that a good computer scanner and printer can already make a counterfeit dollar bill that fools a change machine or a MARTA ticket machine. Anyway, such trade will be useful for stars within ~30 light years. After that, the new technology will be old, and the news will be history. See chapter 10 of Profiles, Space, the Unconquerable Quote: [Interstellar] space can be mapped and crossed and occupied without definable limit; but it can never be conquered. When our race has reached its ultimate achievements, and the stars themselves are scattered no more widely than the seed of Adam, even then we shall still be like ants crawling on the face of the Earth. The ants have covered the world, but have they conquered it -- for what do their countless colonies know of it, or of each other? So it will be with us
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I sure hope that biological warfare is outlawed by every species that inhabits the universe. Surely peace can be achieved at some point in our future. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:38 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Aliens Favour Romney In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:09:27 -0400: Hi, [snip] It is a little difficult to imagine how we might pay for this kind of trade. How could this be a commercial transaction in any sense? Obviously the only system that would work is barter. IOW payment in kind. BTW such a system will effectively have to wait at least until FTL communications are achieved. Actual interstellar travel will be rare, and restricted to those that wish to study other worlds at first hand in order to acquire knowledge that is not readily traded. e.g. I can imagine that any given race might be cautious about telegraphing their DNA into the cosmos, lest it be used to create biological weapons (the only sort worth deploying at interstellar distances.) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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Yeah, I suppose you could say that we're all aliens, except that Obama is an illegal Alien, now fraudulently serving as the President (I'm so proud). Of course there alot of so-called people in this country here illegally, and Obama is in good company. BO is an expert when it comes to appealing to many different groups all at the same time with one comment, like when he says that being apart of the radical movement of the 60's in his DNA. I mean, when you look at where this man(?) had been before he weasled his way into this country, you just know he was a born loser, uh, I mean leader. It doesn't take anyone with a single brain cell to know that it's just good old common sense to vote for a legal citizen and/or human being to run the Country, instead of all the gullible peasants committing their life to the empowering of a two bit Dictator. (Pt...Romney is with the Romulans. Obama is a Klingon, much more thugly) It looks like Aliens (interstellar types) favour Romney for President. http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/romney-temp/ /HTML
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In reply to Vorl Bek's message of Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:46:19 -0400: Hi, [snip] It looks like Aliens (interstellar types) favour Romney for President. http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/romney-temp/ ...maybe they're just predicting the winner, to prove who they are? ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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Krugman anticipate this. http://www.princeton.edu/~pkrugman/interstellar.pdf Jeff On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 8:39 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Vorl Bek's message of Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:46:19 -0400: Hi, [snip] It looks like Aliens (interstellar types) favour Romney for President. http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/romney-temp/ ...maybe they're just predicting the winner, to prove who they are? ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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Sorry for not including this in the first mail, but I have to follow up because it gives the flavor of the thing: The remainder of this paper is, or will be, or has been, depending on the reader's inertial frame, divided into three sections. ;-) Jeff On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: Krugman anticipate this. http://www.princeton.edu/~pkrugman/interstellar.pdf Jeff On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 8:39 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Vorl Bek's message of Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:46:19 -0400: Hi, [snip] It looks like Aliens (interstellar types) favour Romney for President. http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/romney-temp/ ...maybe they're just predicting the winner, to prove who they are? ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
