Re: [Vo]:Inside the inner box
I think its unlikely that semiconductors are inside. At the september demo the temperature was 120° and if 3 cores are in opereation I would expect more. A single case of overheating would damage the system and Rossi claims a maximum temp of abaout 450°. Also all these gamma and possibly neutron bursts that have been observed could degrade the semiconductors. - Original Nachricht Von: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 10.11.2011 05:38 Betreff: [Vo]:Inside the inner box I have been thinking about what should be inside the inner box as the heat transfer from the reactor core to the fluid is no longer done inside the door knob like reactor. Rossi says there are 3 cores inside each module and that is all he says. I would suggest he may have encased all the cores inside a solid lead slab like structure with a thermal interface compound applied to the top and bottom surfaces so as to thermally transfer the heat into the upper and assumed lower fin assemblies. What we see with the bolts is the upper surface of the heat exchanger assembly and likely an identical assembly (why make it different) on the bottom. The lead slab with the embedded cores is then sandwiched inside and between the heat exchanger fin assemblies. I also suggest as he said the 1 MW demo was only running on 1 core per module, he has a was to activate and deactivate the internal cores as desired. This adds additional weight to my belief that the RF Wires are actually multi core shielded cable or if not he maybe running a power line comms system that delivers both power and 2 way data to the 3 cores. Easy to do today, especially if he has a micro inside to assist the core control and do data logging that can be later accessed for analysis. Having a solid lead slab structure would aid modular maintenance and module fuel replacement as all the the maintenance guys would need do is replace the lead slab with the 3 embedded reactor cores, which would then be returned to Rossi for replacement of the fuel. From the weight of the E-Cat module, there is more inside the boxes than just 3 door knob reactors, a bit of piping, fins, walls and a few nuts and bolts.
Re: [Vo]:Inside the inner box
Ok a good call. No micros inside. When Rossi's tech was getting ready to open the module, he wipes away a lot of white powder that was sitting on top of the top metal plate. Do you think the powder might have been powered Boric Acid placed all around the E-Cat as a neutron shield? AG On 11/10/2011 6:39 PM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: I think its unlikely that semiconductors are inside. At the september demo the temperature was 120° and if 3 cores are in opereation I would expect more. A single case of overheating would damage the system and Rossi claims a maximum temp of abaout 450°. Also all these gamma and possibly neutron bursts that have been observed could degrade the semiconductors. - Original Nachricht Von: Aussie Guy E-Cataussieguy.e...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 10.11.2011 05:38 Betreff: [Vo]:Inside the inner box I have been thinking about what should be inside the inner box as the heat transfer from the reactor core to the fluid is no longer done inside the door knob like reactor. Rossi says there are 3 cores inside each module and that is all he says. I would suggest he may have encased all the cores inside a solid lead slab like structure with a thermal interface compound applied to the top and bottom surfaces so as to thermally transfer the heat into the upper and assumed lower fin assemblies. What we see with the bolts is the upper surface of the heat exchanger assembly and likely an identical assembly (why make it different) on the bottom. The lead slab with the embedded cores is then sandwiched inside and between the heat exchanger fin assemblies. I also suggest as he said the 1 MW demo was only running on 1 core per module, he has a was to activate and deactivate the internal cores as desired. This adds additional weight to my belief that the RF Wires are actually multi core shielded cable or if not he maybe running a power line comms system that delivers both power and 2 way data to the 3 cores. Easy to do today, especially if he has a micro inside to assist the core control and do data logging that can be later accessed for analysis. Having a solid lead slab structure would aid modular maintenance and module fuel replacement as all the the maintenance guys would need do is replace the lead slab with the 3 embedded reactor cores, which would then be returned to Rossi for replacement of the fuel. From the weight of the E-Cat module, there is more inside the boxes than just 3 door knob reactors, a bit of piping, fins, walls and a few nuts and bolts.
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I cannot say this. I dont even know wether the powder came from the inside or outside. Posiibly it comes from leaked and evaporated water? Rossi claimed 120° overheated steam @ air pressure. Thats a litle bit strange. If he used salty water with elevated boiling point, this could explain it. I dont know, if it is possible to rise the boiling point so much with salts. With glycol it is possible. - Original Nachricht Von: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 10.11.2011 09:15 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Inside the inner box Ok a good call. No micros inside. When Rossi's tech was getting ready to open the module, he wipes away a lot of white powder that was sitting on top of the top metal plate. Do you think the powder might have been powered Boric Acid placed all around the E-Cat as a neutron shield? AG On 11/10/2011 6:39 PM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: I think its unlikely that semiconductors are inside. At the september demo the temperature was 120° and if 3 cores are in opereation I would expect more. A single case of overheating would damage the system and Rossi claims a maximum temp of abaout 450°. Also all these gamma and possibly neutron bursts that have been observed could degrade the semiconductors. - Original Nachricht Von: Aussie Guy E-Cataussieguy.e...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 10.11.2011 05:38 Betreff: [Vo]:Inside the inner box I have been thinking about what should be inside the inner box as the heat transfer from the reactor core to the fluid is no longer done inside the door knob like reactor. Rossi says there are 3 cores inside each module and that is all he says. I would suggest he may have encased all the cores inside a solid lead slab like structure with a thermal interface compound applied to the top and bottom surfaces so as to thermally transfer the heat into the upper and assumed lower fin assemblies. What we see with the bolts is the upper surface of the heat exchanger assembly and likely an identical assembly (why make it different) on the bottom. The lead slab with the embedded cores is then sandwiched inside and between the heat exchanger fin assemblies. I also suggest as he said the 1 MW demo was only running on 1 core per module, he has a was to activate and deactivate the internal cores as desired. This adds additional weight to my belief that the RF Wires are actually multi core shielded cable or if not he maybe running a power line comms system that delivers both power and 2 way data to the 3 cores. Easy to do today, especially if he has a micro inside to assist the core control and do data logging that can be later accessed for analysis. Having a solid lead slab structure would aid modular maintenance and module fuel replacement as all the the maintenance guys would need do is replace the lead slab with the 3 embedded reactor cores, which would then be returned to Rossi for replacement of the fuel. From the weight of the E-Cat module, there is more inside the boxes than just 3 door knob reactors, a bit of piping, fins, walls and a few nuts and bolts.
Re: [Vo]:Inside the inner box
The white powder was between what looks like 2 sheets of lead directly on the top of the top pate of the reactor box. Start watching from 11:00 minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-5cFOsisAofeature=player_embedded#! AG On 11/10/2011 6:57 PM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: I cannot say this. I dont even know wether the powder came from the inside or outside. Posiibly it comes from leaked and evaporated water? Rossi claimed 120° overheated steam @ air pressure. Thats a litle bit strange. If he used salty water with elevated boiling point, this could explain it. I dont know, if it is possible to rise the boiling point so much with salts. With glycol it is possible. - Original Nachricht Von: Aussie Guy E-Cataussieguy.e...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 10.11.2011 09:15 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Inside the inner box Ok a good call. No micros inside. When Rossi's tech was getting ready to open the module, he wipes away a lot of white powder that was sitting on top of the top metal plate. Do you think the powder might have been powered Boric Acid placed all around the E-Cat as a neutron shield? AG On 11/10/2011 6:39 PM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: I think its unlikely that semiconductors are inside. At the september demo the temperature was 120° and if 3 cores are in opereation I would expect more. A single case of overheating would damage the system and Rossi claims a maximum temp of abaout 450°. Also all these gamma and possibly neutron bursts that have been observed could degrade the semiconductors. - Original Nachricht Von: Aussie Guy E-Cataussieguy.e...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 10.11.2011 05:38 Betreff: [Vo]:Inside the inner box I have been thinking about what should be inside the inner box as the heat transfer from the reactor core to the fluid is no longer done inside the door knob like reactor. Rossi says there are 3 cores inside each module and that is all he says. I would suggest he may have encased all the cores inside a solid lead slab like structure with a thermal interface compound applied to the top and bottom surfaces so as to thermally transfer the heat into the upper and assumed lower fin assemblies. What we see with the bolts is the upper surface of the heat exchanger assembly and likely an identical assembly (why make it different) on the bottom. The lead slab with the embedded cores is then sandwiched inside and between the heat exchanger fin assemblies. I also suggest as he said the 1 MW demo was only running on 1 core per module, he has a was to activate and deactivate the internal cores as desired. This adds additional weight to my belief that the RF Wires are actually multi core shielded cable or if not he maybe running a power line comms system that delivers both power and 2 way data to the 3 cores. Easy to do today, especially if he has a micro inside to assist the core control and do data logging that can be later accessed for analysis. Having a solid lead slab structure would aid modular maintenance and module fuel replacement as all the the maintenance guys would need do is replace the lead slab with the 3 embedded reactor cores, which would then be returned to Rossi for replacement of the fuel. From the weight of the E-Cat module, there is more inside the boxes than just 3 door knob reactors, a bit of piping, fins, walls and a few nuts and bolts.
Re: [Vo]:Inside the inner box
On 11-11-10 03:15 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Ok a good call. No micros inside. When Rossi's tech was getting ready to open the module, he wipes away a lot of white powder that was sitting on top of the top metal plate. Do you think the powder might have been powered Boric Acid placed all around the E-Cat as a neutron shield? Keeps roaches out of the inner box, as well. Just how thick a coat of white powder was there, anyway? For boric acid to block many neutrons you'd need just a bit more than what you need to block most roaches, I think.
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The white powder was between 2 sheets of lead that were on the top of the top plate of the outer reactor box. Start watching from 11:00 minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-5cFOsisAofeature=player_embedded# http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-5cFOsisAofeature=player_embedded#! AG On 11/10/2011 11:52 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 11-11-10 03:15 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Ok a good call. No micros inside. When Rossi's tech was getting ready to open the module, he wipes away a lot of white powder that was sitting on top of the top metal plate. Do you think the powder might have been powered Boric Acid placed all around the E-Cat as a neutron shield? Keeps roaches out of the inner box, as well. Just how thick a coat of white powder was there, anyway? For boric acid to block many neutrons you'd need just a bit more than what you need to block most roaches, I think.
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AG, I do not remember exactly where Rossi made the statement that the cores were now flat and planar or rectangular in shape. Seems like it was a question I asked him on his blog. I had suggested that he use this form factor many months ago because it had scaling advantages, but at the earlier time they answered that the cylindrical form worked better. I guess they reconsidered. Maybe someone else can help remember exactly when Rossi made the statement. I do not have any form of search for words to go through his archives to locate the exact place where the 600 C is mentioned. The exact temperature (600-1200) applied to the core has been bounced around frequently. You may have to do some digging. The RF leads question seems a little confusing for one main reason. A long cylinder was attached to the gas port at the time the RF device was mentioned. I have always assumed that this was the 'frequencies' device. Dave -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:12 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Inside the inner box Sure no CPU will survive inside or next to the core but next to the heat inks, easy to do. 140 deg C chips are available. Please share the data n the rectangular cores. Never read that before. Swedish reporter did ay RF leads measured 300ma. Doesn't sound like a sensor. Easy to do PLC Power Line Comms) to a CPU inside or he is using a 300ma current loop or his internal sensors due to too much interference from the cores. If the core is running at 600 deg C, so too must have the door knob arlier unit. It is hard to see now Rossi could keep that core at 600 eg C while the water was only a mm or so away. Where did you get the 00 deg C data from? I have never read that but then I have just started eading, reading...reading. AG n 11/10/2011 4:01 PM, David Roberson wrote: The three cores are now in a rectangular shape instead of cylindrical. I would suggest that there is a thermal resistance(insulator of some sort) desired between the cores and the heat sink. This would act as a thermal matching system so that the cores can operate at nearly 600 C while the heat sink is at a far lower temperature. Time response data demonstrates that two time constants are at work. One long one related to heat release and a shorter one associated with the conduction of heat away from the heat sink and heating device. He could easily disable a core by putting in material that does not exhibit LENR. The 1 MW unit must have operated with 3 cores present. One core only produces 3.4 kW of output power in the driven mode, less in self sustaining. The core operates at a temperature that would destroy a microcontroller. 600 C I suspect that the two extra wires are actually for sensor reading. A controlled driven unit would need to measure liquid level and temperature to function well. I really suspect that the frequency generating device is to mislead. The test conducted on October 6 was using one core. The thermal environment in this case would not be the same as using 3 cores. Additional positive feedback of heat would occur due to the two additional cores if they were active. I suspect that Rossi has performed a delicate balance of thermal impedance when 3 cores are present. This would suggest that the 1 core test should loose output power at a faster rate. That would explain why the self sustaining mode for the 1 MW test ran for such a long time. It has been apparent that Rossi has made a serious effort to disguise the real data by his actions. I suspect he wants to keep doubt alive so that the 'war' does not start until the last moment. Dave -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 11:41 pm Subject: [Vo]:Inside the inner box I have been thinking about what should be inside the inner box as the heat transfer from the reactor core to the fluid is no longer done inside the door knob like reactor. Rossi says there are 3 cores inside each module and that is all he says. I would suggest he may have encased all the cores inside a solid lead slab like structure with a thermal interface compound applied to the top and bottom surfaces so as to thermally transfer the heat into the upper and assumed lower fin assemblies. What we see with the bolts is the upper surface of the heat exchanger assembly and likely an identical assembly (why make it different) on the bottom. The lead slab with the embedded cores is then sandwiched inside and between the heat exchanger fin assemblies. I also suggest as he said the 1 MW demo was only running on 1 core per module, he has a was to activate and deactivate the internal cores as desired. This adds additional weight to my belief that the RF Wires are actually multi core shielded cable or if not he maybe
Re: [Vo]:Inside the inner box
At 08:38 PM 11/9/2011, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: I also suggest as he said the 1 MW demo was only running on 1 core per module, he has a was to activate and deactivate the internal cores as desired. Rossi said (someone reported?) that they started the 1MW with a full load of hydrogen, but it started to run away. So they stopped it and lowered the hydrogen pressure -- resulting in the 1/2 MW self-sustained value. 3 cores, for sure. (Or it's an elaborate costume hoax, of course ... )
RE: [Vo]:Inside the inner box
Mats Lewan told me that the cylinder was not attached to the gas inlet (it just looked that way in some photos) and its purpose was a radiation sensor (probably a gamma scintillator). Mats said the frequency device was behind the eCat - so I keep looking for glimpses of it in the videos. Regards, Bob Higgins From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:54 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Inside the inner box AG, I do not remember exactly where Rossi made the statement that the cores were now flat and planar or rectangular in shape. Seems like it was a question I asked him on his blog. I had suggested that he use this form factor many months ago because it had scaling advantages, but at the earlier time they answered that the cylindrical form worked better. I guess they reconsidered. Maybe someone else can help remember exactly when Rossi made the statement. I do not have any form of search for words to go through his archives to locate the exact place where the 600 C is mentioned. The exact temperature (600-1200) applied to the core has been bounced around frequently. You may have to do some digging. The RF leads question seems a little confusing for one main reason. A long cylinder was attached to the gas port at the time the RF device was mentioned. I have always assumed that this was the 'frequencies' device. Dave -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:12 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Inside the inner box Sure no CPU will survive inside or next to the core but next to the heat sinks, easy to do. 140 deg C chips are available. Please share the data on the rectangular cores. Never read that before. Swedish reporter did say RF leads measured 300ma. Doesn't sound like a sensor. Easy to do PLC (Power Line Comms) to a CPU inside or he is using a 300ma current loop for his internal sensors due to too much interference from the cores. If the core is running at 600 deg C, so too must have the door knob earlier unit. It is hard to see now Rossi could keep that core at 600 deg C while the water was only a mm or so away. Where did you get the 600 deg C data from? I have never read that but then I have just started reading, reading...reading. AG On 11/10/2011 4:01 PM, David Roberson wrote: The three cores are now in a rectangular shape instead of cylindrical. I would suggest that there is a thermal resistance(insulator of some sort) desired between the cores and the heat sink. This would act as a thermal matching system so that the cores can operate at nearly 600 C while the heat sink is at a far lower temperature. Time response data demonstrates that two time constants are at work. One long one related to heat release and a shorter one associated with the conduction of heat away from the heat sink and heating device. He could easily disable a core by putting in material that does not exhibit LENR. The 1 MW unit must have operated with 3 cores present. One core only produces 3.4 kW of output power in the driven mode, less in self sustaining. The core operates at a temperature that would destroy a microcontroller. 600 C I suspect that the two extra wires are actually for sensor reading. A controlled driven unit would need to measure liquid level and temperature to function well. I really suspect that the frequency generating device is to mislead. The test conducted on October 6 was using one core. The thermal environment in this case would not be the same as using 3 cores. Additional positive feedback of heat would occur due to the two additional cores if they were active. I suspect that Rossi has performed a delicate balance of thermal impedance when 3 cores are present. This would suggest that the 1 core test should loose output power at a faster rate. That would explain why the self sustaining mode for the 1 MW test ran for such a long time. It has been apparent that Rossi has made a serious effort to disguise the real data by his actions. I suspect he wants to keep doubt alive so that the 'war' does not start until the last moment. Dave -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 11:41 pm Subject: [Vo]:Inside the inner box I have been thinking about what should be inside the inner box as the heat transfer from the reactor core to the fluid is no longer done inside the door knob like reactor. Rossi says there are 3 cores inside each module and that is all he says. I would suggest he may have encased all the cores inside a solid lead slab like structure with a thermal interface compound applied to the top and bottom surfaces so as to thermally transfer the heat into the upper and assumed lower fin assemblies. What we see with the bolts is the upper
Re: [Vo]:Inside the inner box
The three cores are now in a rectangular shape instead of cylindrical. I would suggest that there is a thermal resistance(insulator of some sort) desired between the cores and the heat sink. This would act as a thermal matching system so that the cores can operate at nearly 600 C while the heat sink is at a far lower temperature. Time response data demonstrates that two time constants are at work. One long one related to heat release and a shorter one associated with the conduction of heat away from the heat sink and heating device. He could easily disable a core by putting in material that does not exhibit LENR. The 1 MW unit must have operated with 3 cores present. One core only produces 3.4 kW of output power in the driven mode, less in self sustaining. The core operates at a temperature that would destroy a microcontroller. 600 C I suspect that the two extra wires are actually for sensor reading. A controlled driven unit would need to measure liquid level and temperature to function well. I really suspect that the frequency generating device is to mislead. The test conducted on October 6 was using one core. The thermal environment in this case would not be the same as using 3 cores. Additional positive feedback of heat would occur due to the two additional cores if they were active. I suspect that Rossi has performed a delicate balance of thermal impedance when 3 cores are present. This would suggest that the 1 core test should loose output power at a faster rate. That would explain why the self sustaining mode for the 1 MW test ran for such a long time. It has been apparent that Rossi has made a serious effort to disguise the real data by his actions. I suspect he wants to keep doubt alive so that the 'war' does not start until the last moment. Dave -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 11:41 pm Subject: [Vo]:Inside the inner box I have been thinking about what should be inside the inner box as the eat transfer from the reactor core to the fluid is no longer done nside the door knob like reactor. Rossi says there are 3 cores inside each module and that is all he says. would suggest he may have encased all the cores inside a solid lead lab like structure with a thermal interface compound applied to the top nd bottom surfaces so as to thermally transfer the heat into the upper nd assumed lower fin assemblies. What we see with the bolts is the pper surface of the heat exchanger assembly and likely an identical ssembly (why make it different) on the bottom. The lead slab with the mbedded cores is then sandwiched inside and between the heat exchanger in assemblies. I also suggest as he said the 1 MW demo was only running n 1 core per module, he has a was to activate and deactivate the nternal cores as desired. This adds additional weight to my belief that he RF Wires are actually multi core shielded cable or if not he maybe unning a power line comms system that delivers both power and 2 way ata to the 3 cores. Easy to do today, especially if he has a micro nside to assist the core control and do data logging that can be later ccessed for analysis. Having a solid lead slab structure would aid modular maintenance and odule fuel replacement as all the the maintenance guys would need do is eplace the lead slab with the 3 embedded reactor cores, which would hen be returned to Rossi for replacement of the fuel. From the weight of the E-Cat module, there is more inside the boxes han just 3 door knob reactors, a bit of piping, fins, walls and a few uts and bolts.
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Sure no CPU will survive inside or next to the core but next to the heat sinks, easy to do. 140 deg C chips are available. Please share the data on the rectangular cores. Never read that before. Swedish reporter did say RF leads measured 300ma. Doesn't sound like a sensor. Easy to do PLC (Power Line Comms) to a CPU inside or he is using a 300ma current loop for his internal sensors due to too much interference from the cores. If the core is running at 600 deg C, so too must have the door knob earlier unit. It is hard to see now Rossi could keep that core at 600 deg C while the water was only a mm or so away. Where did you get the 600 deg C data from? I have never read that but then I have just started reading, reading...reading. AG On 11/10/2011 4:01 PM, David Roberson wrote: The three cores are now in a rectangular shape instead of cylindrical. I would suggest that there is a thermal resistance(insulator of some sort) desired between the cores and the heat sink. This would act as a thermal matching system so that the cores can operate at nearly 600 C while the heat sink is at a far lower temperature. Time response data demonstrates that two time constants are at work. One long one related to heat release and a shorter one associated with the conduction of heat away from the heat sink and heating device. He could easily disable a core by putting in material that does not exhibit LENR. The 1 MW unit must have operated with 3 cores present. One core only produces 3.4 kW of output power in the driven mode, less in self sustaining. The core operates at a temperature that would destroy a microcontroller. 600 C I suspect that the two extra wires are actually for sensor reading. A controlled driven unit would need to measure liquid level and temperature to function well. I really suspect that the frequency generating device is to mislead. The test conducted on October 6 was using one core. The thermal environment in this case would not be the same as using 3 cores. Additional positive feedback of heat would occur due to the two additional cores if they were active. I suspect that Rossi has performed a delicate balance of thermal impedance when 3 cores are present. This would suggest that the 1 core test should loose output power at a faster rate. That would explain why the self sustaining mode for the 1 MW test ran for such a long time. It has been apparent that Rossi has made a serious effort to disguise the real data by his actions. I suspect he wants to keep doubt alive so that the 'war' does not start until the last moment. Dave -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 11:41 pm Subject: [Vo]:Inside the inner box I have been thinking about what should be inside the inner box as the heat transfer from the reactor core to the fluid is no longer done inside the door knob like reactor. Rossi says there are 3 cores inside each module and that is all he says. I would suggest he may have encased all the cores inside a solid lead slab like structure with a thermal interface compound applied to the top and bottom surfaces so as to thermally transfer the heat into the upper and assumed lower fin assemblies. What we see with the bolts is the upper surface of the heat exchanger assembly and likely an identical assembly (why make it different) on the bottom. The lead slab with the embedded cores is then sandwiched inside and between the heat exchanger fin assemblies. I also suggest as he said the 1 MW demo was only running on 1 core per module, he has a was to activate and deactivate the internal cores as desired. This adds additional weight to my belief that the RF Wires are actually multi core shielded cable or if not he maybe running a power line comms system that delivers both power and 2 way data to the 3 cores. Easy to do today, especially if he has a micro inside to assist the core control and do data logging that can be later accessed for analysis. Having a solid lead slab structure would aid modular maintenance and module fuel replacement as all the the maintenance guys would need do is replace the lead slab with the 3 embedded reactor cores, which would then be returned to Rossi for replacement of the fuel. From the weight of the E-Cat module, there is more inside the boxes than just 3 door knob reactors, a bit of piping, fins, walls and a few nuts and bolts.
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For the per core driven output I get, 1,000 kWs / (52 modules X 3 cores) = 6.41 kWs per core or 19.23 kWs per module of 3 cores. Based on 107 modules with 1 operational core (as demonstrated) and 479 kWs of output that is 4.47 kW per core in self sustain mode. AG On 11/10/2011 4:01 PM, David Roberson wrote: The three cores are now in a rectangular shape instead of cylindrical. I would suggest that there is a thermal resistance(insulator of some sort) desired between the cores and the heat sink. This would act as a thermal matching system so that the cores can operate at nearly 600 C while the heat sink is at a far lower temperature. Time response data demonstrates that two time constants are at work. One long one related to heat release and a shorter one associated with the conduction of heat away from the heat sink and heating device. He could easily disable a core by putting in material that does not exhibit LENR. The 1 MW unit must have operated with 3 cores present. One core only produces 3.4 kW of output power in the driven mode, less in self sustaining. The core operates at a temperature that would destroy a microcontroller. 600 C I suspect that the two extra wires are actually for sensor reading. A controlled driven unit would need to measure liquid level and temperature to function well. I really suspect that the frequency generating device is to mislead. The test conducted on October 6 was using one core. The thermal environment in this case would not be the same as using 3 cores. Additional positive feedback of heat would occur due to the two additional cores if they were active. I suspect that Rossi has performed a delicate balance of thermal impedance when 3 cores are present. This would suggest that the 1 core test should loose output power at a faster rate. That would explain why the self sustaining mode for the 1 MW test ran for such a long time. It has been apparent that Rossi has made a serious effort to disguise the real data by his actions. I suspect he wants to keep doubt alive so that the 'war' does not start until the last moment. Dave -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 11:41 pm Subject: [Vo]:Inside the inner box I have been thinking about what should be inside the inner box as the heat transfer from the reactor core to the fluid is no longer done inside the door knob like reactor. Rossi says there are 3 cores inside each module and that is all he says. I would suggest he may have encased all the cores inside a solid lead slab like structure with a thermal interface compound applied to the top and bottom surfaces so as to thermally transfer the heat into the upper and assumed lower fin assemblies. What we see with the bolts is the upper surface of the heat exchanger assembly and likely an identical assembly (why make it different) on the bottom. The lead slab with the embedded cores is then sandwiched inside and between the heat exchanger fin assemblies. I also suggest as he said the 1 MW demo was only running on 1 core per module, he has a was to activate and deactivate the internal cores as desired. This adds additional weight to my belief that the RF Wires are actually multi core shielded cable or if not he maybe running a power line comms system that delivers both power and 2 way data to the 3 cores. Easy to do today, especially if he has a micro inside to assist the core control and do data logging that can be later accessed for analysis. Having a solid lead slab structure would aid modular maintenance and module fuel replacement as all the the maintenance guys would need do is replace the lead slab with the 3 embedded reactor cores, which would then be returned to Rossi for replacement of the fuel. From the weight of the E-Cat module, there is more inside the boxes than just 3 door knob reactors, a bit of piping, fins, walls and a few nuts and bolts.
