Re: [libreoffice-website] Idea: LibreOffice Mail Attachment Service

2011-03-07 Thread Matt Sturgeon
I agree with Christian on all points.

On 7 Mar 2011 16:18, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com
wrote:
 Hi Florian, *,

 On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Florian Effenberger
 flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 Christoph Noack wrote on 2011-03-05 22.27:
 [Handling attachments proposal]

 thanks for the proposal, and sorry for me being the bad guy here, but: I
 would not do this out of several reasons.

 Oh, nothing that cannot be solved..

 First, it requires backup space. We just had to invest in larger hard
disks
 for our regular backups, and offering users to upload files will require
 more space, thus costs more money.

 No - why would you need backups for this? - It is not a file storage,
 it is explicitly temporary, for convenience of communicating. Add a
 statement the attachments can be deleted anytime... The initial
 proposal included an explicit expiry period, but you could also have
 it by disk-quota or whatever.

 Second, it brings liability risks. What if someone uploads illegal stuff?

 We already store the plaintext mails, that can contain illegal stuff as
well.

 What if it's copyrighted material?

 What if someone paste's HarryPotter into the mails and sends it off to the
list?

 For images, we might get in touch with the folks from frupic, maybe
 they would be OK to upload images to their site...

 But for other filetypes the choices where you can upload stuff without
 the burden of having to endure either a countdown before you can
 download/use the file or have tons of advertisement banners are
 basically non-existent, are they?

 What if we lose the files and someone
 thinks we can be held liable?

 What if someone complains that you make his/her email and personal
 details sent in a mail public?

 So I don't see this any different. As you mention, the same is true
 for the wiki.

 [dumb users who won't read and complain]

 You'll always have those.. And yes, if people complain, someone of the
 maintenance team can delete the file.
 It is again nothing different from the actual content of a mail in my
 opinion - the difference with the mail-body itself is that you cannot
 delete it, as it is added to various archives and you cannot delete it
 at all.

 So, as nice as the idea is, I think it would bring more issues than it
 helps..

 I don't see it that pessimistic.

 ciao
 Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Document Freedom Day banner on our website

2011-02-28 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Any updates?

On 23 Feb 2011 20:15, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 Le 2011-02-23 13:56, Matt Sturgeon a écrit :
 Ok, my third is up[1], tuning the DFD banner (inspired by
 http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8605/challengebannerdfd20117.png)

 [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Donate_and_DFD_Banner

 I think now it's criticism time, what needs to be improved?

 Also, should I tint the fill brown on the donate banner (as seen on
 the current one)?


 And do you want me to make a full width version, since we are at about
 90% on the donations meter. I could do something like Thanks - we
 reached our goal of 50 000 Euro - and with __ days to spare!

 and then that would be replaced 7 days before DFD with the duel
 banners, and then midnight DFD we would transfer to a standard donate
 banner (and http://challenge.documentfoundation.org/ would return to
 http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/donate/)


 So the proposed timetable:
 * Financial completion: Thanks - we reached our goal of 50 000 Euro -
 and with __ days to spare! You can still donate to help fund our new
 foundation
 (or maybe some alternative that keeps the days countdown until the 21st)?
 * 23rd March: the duel banners go up
 * Midnight 30th/31st March (DFD): duel banners come down. Replaced by
 a longer-term donate now banner.


 You should take a look at Florian's post to the design team too.[1]

 Cheers

 Marc

 [1]

http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.design/980


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Document Freedom Day banner on our website

2011-02-23 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Ok, I have updated my banner, which now has a reasonable donate banner.
I am currently working to improve my DFD banner based on what I've
seen in http://img25.imageshack.us/i/challengebannerdfd20117.png/

My latest banner is Matt Sturgeon's version 2 (3rd down) at
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Donate_and_DFD_Banner

On 23 February 2011 16:30, Daniel A. Rodriguez
daniel.armando.rodrig...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Daniel

 The page return an error.

 I can see the image on that URL, maybe from here
 http://img25.imageshack.us/i/challengebannerdfd20117.png/

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Document Freedom Day banner on our website

2011-02-23 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Ok, my third is up[1], tuning the DFD banner (inspired by
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8605/challengebannerdfd20117.png)

[1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Donate_and_DFD_Banner

I think now it's criticism time, what needs to be improved?

Also, should I tint the fill brown on the donate banner (as seen on
the current one)?


And do you want me to make a full width version, since we are at about
90% on the donations meter. I could do something like Thanks - we
reached our goal of 50 000 Euro - and with __ days to spare!

and then that would be replaced 7 days before DFD with the duel
banners, and then midnight DFD we would transfer to a standard donate
banner (and http://challenge.documentfoundation.org/ would return to
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/donate/)


So the proposed timetable:
* Financial completion: Thanks - we reached our goal of 50 000 Euro -
and with __ days to spare! You can still donate to help fund our new
foundation
  (or maybe some alternative that keeps the days countdown until the 21st)?
* 23rd March: the duel banners go up
* Midnight 30th/31st March (DFD): duel banners come down. Replaced by
a longer-term donate now banner.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] download libreoffice

2011-02-23 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Are you suggestingh creating repositories for Linux packages (RPM and
.deb)? If so that is a very good idea.
A simple pair deb and RPM repositories will keep users (who like to
run LibreOffice as distributed by The Document Foundation, rather than
their distro) up to date, because their computer syncs with the
repository and downloads the package with the highest version number.

I propose the following set of repositories:

 RPM | DEB
nightly| nightly
  beta | beta   --- And RCs
stable | stable

They use standard HTTP so the repo can be anywhere on a TDF webserver,

Text on RPM yum repository:
http://serverfault.com/questions/38813/tools-for-maintaining-yum-repositories
Slightly more formal guide for deb APT repo:
http://pynstrom.net/display_tutorial.php?page=tutorials/setup_debian_repo


The standard tool for a deb APT repo is reprepro - and for RPM yum you
want createrepo.

Hope this helps us get a Document Foundation deb/rpm repository :-)


2011/2/23 Andrey sql...@gmail.com:












 [Russian - utf8]
 Очень хорошо, что сайт предлагает скачать новый офис, но предлагаемый способ
 сильно вредит политике партии. Дело в том, что предлагается скачать .deb
 пакеты и установить их, вместо того, чтобы создать репозиторий из этих же
 пакетов. Но возникает вопрос: мы что, возвращаемся к приёмам работы на
 компьютере, принятым в Windows? Но если кому-то из пользователей такой
 способ покажется более удобным, они могут вспомнить также и о том, что в
 Windows и другие вещи более удобны. Таким образом, мы своими руками
 поворачиваем симпатии пользователей лицом к Windows и спиной к
 альтернативным операционным системам. Кроме того, у них подобное восприятие
 очень быстро экстраполируется с операционных систем на офисные пакеты. Проще
 говоря, возрастают симпатии к MS Office.


 [English - sorry, but only Google translation]
 Very well that the site offers to download a new office, but the proposed
 method greatly harms the party politics. The fact that the requested
 download .deb packages and install them instead to create a repository of
 the same package. But the question arises: what are we, back to the methods
 of working on a computer taken from Windows? But if someone from the users
 of this method may seem more convenient, they may also remember that in
 Windows and other things are more convenient. Thus, we turn the hands of
 sympathy users face to Windows and back to alternative operating systems. In
 addition, they have a similar perception very quickly extrapolates from
 operating systems to office suites. Simply put, increasing sympathy for MS
 Office.



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Re: [libreoffice-website] download libreoffice

2011-02-23 Thread Matt Sturgeon
On 23 February 2011 21:02, Daniel A. Rodriguez
daniel.armando.rodrig...@gmail.com wrote:
 2011/2/23 Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com:
 A simple pair deb and RPM repositories will keep users (who like to
 run LibreOffice as distributed by The Document Foundation, rather than
 their distro) up to date, because their computer syncs with the
 repository and downloads the package with the highest version number.

 I propose the following set of repositories:

  RPM | DEB
 nightly| nightly
  beta | beta   --- And RCs
 stable | stable

 They use standard HTTP so the repo can be anywhere on a TDF webserver,
 Great idea!

Does anyone on this list have experience with either/both RPM yup
repositories and/or debian APT repositories?

If so could they step forward and help set this up (and show the Web
Admins and release guys how to maintain them in the long run)?

Could someone who knows the servers find one running something that
can install reprepro, createrepo and a few other packages needed?
Could they also look into getting whoever is going to set this
up/maintain it SSH shell and SFTP access?

Thanks

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Version 3.3.1 New Features and Version 3.3.0

2011-02-23 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Ok, short term recommendation:

replace * with the corner of document symbol (or whatever that
triangle is called) used on the credits page of the actual suite. That
should be slightly clearer.

Also rephrase the sentence Features tagged with an img
src=triangle.png / are specific to LibreOffice, and not present in
other office productivity suites.

On 23 February 2011 21:09, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 I was wondering about the New Features and Fixes page and was wondering
 how we are to discern new features from the previous version?

 Also, I was also wondering about the meaning of Features tagged with a *
 are specific to LibreOffice. at the top of the page. This sentence sounds
 too ambiguous to me. I am not sure what it means even after I read through
 the tagged features.

 Cheers

 Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Version 3.3.1 New Features and Version 3.3.0

2011-02-23 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Looking at the site, using the document triangle would not be suitable
to replace the star (*) as the triangle is already used as list
bullet-points.

On 23 February 2011 21:56, Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org wrote:
 On Wednesday 23 February 2011 22:35, Marc Paré wrote:
 Le 2011-02-23 16:24, Matt Sturgeon a écrit :

  Also rephrase the sentence Features tagged with animg
  src=triangle.png /  are specific to LibreOffice, and not present
  in other office productivity suites.

 This would also add a nice little feature.

 Yes, the sentence would make it clearer. But some are under the
 impression that it means OOo.

 AFAIK this sentence exactly means that *OOo* does not have these
 features as they are only implemented in LibO. As LibO is a downstream
 derivate of OOo, apparently any feature from OOo makes or can make it
 into LibO (unless removed by the LibO devs for some reason - is there
 any???), but LibO-specific features do mostly *not* flow back into OOo
 (obviously for Licensing reasons). (Are there any exceptions? Is there
 a developer who wants his code go into OOo, too?)

 Caution: The sentence does *not* tell anything about other suites (as
 they could perfectly derive from LibO, or be independantly developed in
 Redmond, so the might perfectly have those features, too).

 Nino


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Funding banner, amount and proposal

2011-02-22 Thread Matt Sturgeon
The script converts the current amount into a percentage, and then
converts the percentage into pixels (for use in the width of the bar.)
Currently 100% is 50'000 EURO and 100% is also 330px. The script also
prevents the percentage from being higher than 100%.
The way we should logically allow the script to show higher values is
to set the script's target higher (once 100% is reached) and also
hard-code the text percentage on the banner, or have two percentages
(one out of 50'000, which can go over 100%, and another out of the new
goal, which cannot go over 100%.) The second would be used for the
progress bar (since it needs a limit on it's highest value) and the
first (unlimited) would be used for text.

On 22 February 2011 07:13, Florian Effenberger
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 Hi Marc,

 Marc Paré wrote on 2011-02-21 20.29:

 As the funding amount of 50k Euro is approaching its goal, will we cut
 the funding drive off once it reaches 50K or will we stay the course for
 the balance of remaining days? I would vote to keep going for the course
 of the remaining days as per SC decision:

 indeed - 50k is the stock capital, so anything on top of it will directly go
 into our budget, like money for a marketing budget, travelling budget and
 the like. I definitely want to keep the race open, and will post some
 details and ideas soon. :-)

 Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Document Freedom Day banner on our website

2011-02-22 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Howabout one of their banners, tweaked to go onto the libreoffice branded
banner we made for the foundation challange?

On 22 Feb 2011 21:12, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 Document Freedom Day is fast approaching, and as I understand we are
 also supporting this day, maybe we should also consider putting one of
 their banners on our website to advertise the day. We should do all we
 can to support our ODF choice of file formats.

 Cheers

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Document Freedom Day banner on our website

2011-02-22 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Well if all else fails we could always go for a full width...

On 22 Feb 2011 21:34, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 Le 2011-02-22 16:20, Matt Sturgeon a écrit :
 Howabout one of their banners, tweaked to go onto the libreoffice branded
 banner we made for the foundation challange?

 On 22 Feb 2011 21:12, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote:
 Document Freedom Day is fast approaching, and as I understand we are
 also supporting this day, maybe we should also consider putting one of
 their banners on our website to advertise the day. We should do all we
 can to support our ODF choice of file formats.

 Cheers

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 Not sure if the website could handle two banners at the top. I am sure
 Christian will have some advice for this.

 Cheers

 Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Document Freedom Day banner on our website

2011-02-22 Thread Matt Sturgeon
I'm assuming this date clashes with the challenge?

On 22 Feb 2011 21:43, Christian Lohmaier 
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi Marc, *,

 On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 Le 2011-02-22 16:20, Matt Sturgeon a écrit :

 Howabout one of their banners, tweaked to go onto the libreoffice
branded
 banner we made for the foundation challange?
 [...]
 Not sure if the website could handle two banners at the top. I am sure
 Christian will have some advice for this.

 Hmm - not sure what advice you expect - there is no room to have two
 banners at the same time, all the banners that are in the works use
 the available space, so to display two banners, the design would need
 to change, but that's obvious, no need to get advice from me, but
 maybe I misunderstood...

 ciao
 Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Document Freedom Day banner on our website

2011-02-22 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Is this worth wasting 150-odd pixels of verticle real estate?
If so it should be a 100% width banner for a day or two.

Else: Maybe we could temporaraly reduce the size of the animated screenshots
and stick it under that, to the right of the Download LibreOffice 3.3
link...

Otherwise I don't see this happening.

Basically, the question is how much are willing to compromise our design to
promote this, and how long are we willing to do it for.

On 22 Feb 2011 21:55, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 Le 2011-02-22 16:46, Matt Sturgeon a écrit :
 I'm assuming this date clashes with the challenge?


 Yes, Date of DFD is March 30th. Now that I look at the LibreOffice site
 there isn't much space on the actual site to do this kind of thing
 except for the Challenge banner area.

 I guess there may not be any space to show our support for DFD other
 than on a page which would not give it enough presence IMO.

 Cheers

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Document Freedom Day banner on our website

2011-02-22 Thread Matt Sturgeon
I feel a blog post is perfect. But maybe post a banner somewhere on
the homepage (or if we find nowhere, then full width banner) for a
single day in addition?

I'd like to see a banner on the day, but for the longer-term promotion
a blog-post saying the day is coming up is more suitable.

On 22 February 2011 22:14, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
 Hi Marc, all,

 Marc Paré schrieb:

 Le 2011-02-22 16:46, Matt Sturgeon a écrit :

 I'm assuming this date clashes with the challenge?


 Yes, Date of DFD is March 30th. Now that I look at the LibreOffice site
 there isn't much space on the actual site to do this kind of thing
 except for the Challenge banner area.

 I guess there may not be any space to show our support for DFD other
 than on a page which would not give it enough presence IMO.

 This would be an entry for a news section on the homepage - where we can
 point to our PRs as well.

 But as we only provide News from the TDF Blog, I think the DFD should be
 mentioned there... (I'm quite sure that one of the SC members would be
 interested to provide a blog entry.)

 A PR might inform about the variety of local activities by LibreOffice
 community members. I read some comments on the marketing site, but would
 like to have them collected at the wiki:
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/DFD

 Best regards

 Bernhard

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Document Freedom Day banner on our website

2011-02-22 Thread Matt Sturgeon
On 22 February 2011 22:52, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
 As the fundraising will be finished on March 21st, a new banner could be
 created for the DFD day on March 30th replacing the other (new) banner with
 thank you for funding our foundation - and keep on donating for just one
 day.

Oh, the funding will be finished by then? Great. I should have paid
more attention to the dates.


Link me to the site where DFD's banners are, and I'll knock something
up to replace the current banner for a few days.

In the mean time, how many days can we sacrifice our donate banner
for? And  should we put a text link Donate now somewhere?

Alternatively, I could attempt to design two banners (a reduced width
donate now banner, and a DFD banner) to sit side-by-side from March 22
to March 30.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Document Freedom Day banner on our website

2011-02-22 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Has a you can still donate banner been agreed on/proposed yet?

On 23 Feb 2011 02:30, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 Le 2011-02-22 17:08, Italo Vignoli a écrit :
 On 02/22/2011 10:11 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
 Document Freedom Day is fast approaching, and as I understand we are
 also supporting this day, maybe we should also consider putting one of
 their banners on our website to advertise the day. We should do all we
 can to support our ODF choice of file formats.

 I'm working with FSF on this subject. Please wait.

 Thanks Italo, Bernhard, Matt and Christian. Also thanks to Matt for
 offering to help out with the banner(s).

 Bernhard, I hope that Matt can still go on and put forth a proposal for
 a banner?

 Matt, the DFD artwork is here:
 http://documentfreedom.org/2011/artwork.fr.html

 Italo, Google and Oracle show as sponsors. It would be nice if we could
 get on to the sponsor page. If we could not do it financially, perhaps
 we could do it with manpower help. We could perhaps help them out with
 marketing materials? Or any other help they may need with the site?

 Cheers

 Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Document Freedom Day banner on our website

2011-02-22 Thread Matt Sturgeon
How is this looking?
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Donate_and_DFD_Banners_600x60.png

I took the elements and fonts from the DFD stuff, and put it on a
Document Foundation branded banner.

There should be enough room to use the left-hand banner for the full
time from completion (at least date completion. Maybe financial
completion?) to the day (the 30th).

Does anyone know the hexadecimal for the brown-ish colour used instead
of grey on the donate banner?

I need to know also what has to go on the donate banner.


When complete the two banners will be split into two files, but for
now it is easier to work with one.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] font color in donation meter

2011-02-21 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Looks good.

On 21 Feb 2011 13:43, Christian Lohmaier 
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi Florian,

 On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Florian Effenberger
 flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 now that we have more donations :-)

 Oh, donations did make quite a jump (or were not updated yesterday, as
 it was sunday and thus no bank transactions are accounted? :-)

 the font in the donation barometer looks
 a bit weird - green on brown is barely readable. Can someone change it to
 e.g. white or anything else that fits?

 Did change it to white, maybe not perfect, but OK from my POV

 ciao
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Challenge site translation language listing layout

2011-02-19 Thread Matt Sturgeon
It would also be nice while tweaking this to add comma separation. e.g.:

Available translations of this page: French, German and Spanish 
Available translations of this page: aFrench/a, aGerman/a and
aSpanish/a 


On 19 February 2011 11:02, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 I'm being picky again. Could we have the line Available translations of
 this page: Spanish German list the languages in alphabetical order?

 Available translations of this page: German Spanish .

 I think the French language translation is coming and if the list is in
 alphabetical order there will be no perception of favouritism in placement
 order. I know there was no favouritism in placement to start off with, it's
 just to avoid any thoughts of this kind. Alphabetical listing is evident to
 all of us when we see it.

 Cheers

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[libreoffice-website] Request for access to more sites

2011-02-19 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Hi,

I have two CMS (SliverStripe) admin accounts (one on
http://www.libreoffice.org/ and
http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780/)

But with my libreoffice.org/admin account I am only able to access
www.librepffice.org, and it would be useful to access other sites -
e.g. challenge.libreoffice.org.

Is it possible to elevate my privileges slightly to access all sites?

BTW: the username is mtt...@gmail.com

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Request for access to more sites

2011-02-19 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Could you post the translations and related details and I'll see what
I can do to get it online.

On 20 February 2011 02:14, Luiz Oliveira luizh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 We are translating the page challenge.libreoffice.org into Brazilian
 Portuguese and would like to publish.
 Claudio Filho spoke with someone from TDF to help us here. I and another
 colleague here in Brazil did our record, but I think we do not have
 access to post on the website, yet.

 Can anyone help?

 Regards,

 Luiz Oliveira
 BrOffice Community

 Hi,

 I have two CMS (SliverStripe) admin accounts (one on
 http://www.libreoffice.org/ and
 http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780/)

 But with my libreoffice.org/admin account I am only able to access
 www.librepffice.org, and it would be useful to access other sites -
 e.g. challenge.libreoffice.org.

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[libreoffice-website] Re: New libreoffice.org New Features and Fixes layout

2011-02-17 Thread Matt Sturgeon
OK, what info do we want to be providing? We should really base ideas around
that.

Do we want to filter by since which version l, and if so how many versions
back.

Do we want a list of LibreOffice specifics?

On 17 Feb 2011 11:25, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote:
 Hi Matt,

 On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 09:11 +, Matt Sturgeon wrote:
 OK, one possibility is moving the what makes it different into a new
 page, that saved the need for a whole bar. And also they could be much
 thinner to save space..

 Best to CC the list when you reply; please always use reply-all.

 Many of our most compelling features are those that are distinctively
 different from what OO.o provides.

 And - IMHO fragmenting data across pages is just a waste, people will
 not see it.

 HTH,

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[libreoffice-website] Re: New libreoffice.org New Features and Fixes layout

2011-02-17 Thread Matt Sturgeon
I think possibly the simplest solution is to have it as iframes.
This way it's basically the same as an
img slideshow, and also latency should be almost 0 since you load
the script and the first iframe src= /, and since each iframe
page should be tiny (just text, an image, and standard xhtml tags)
it's both modular and low bandwidth.


On 17 February 2011 20:01, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi Michael, *,

 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Michael Meeks
 michael.me...@novell.com wrote:

 On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 06:03 +, Matt Sturgeon wrote:
 Which at the present time, is a very basic and over simplified mockup
 by me: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Features_Fixes_Mockup1.png

        Looks fine to me; but you're going to have to fight Silverstripe 
 pretty
 hard (I suspect)

 Creating a slideshow like navigation with previous/next buttons is
 pretty easy, and is the latency of the site really a problem? For me
 the site is very responsive...

 to get that thing loaded such that all the information
 is there, quickly to hand as/when someone visits the 'new features' tab.
 IMHO the 'easy' option of forcing the user to spend perhaps a minute in
 30x one second (best) latencies while clicking on new pages is a
 non-starter for me.

 This could be done by using javascript, either using colorbox or jquery(ui),

        IMHO - it would be worth working out what is possible in linear time
 with Silverstripe first.

 Well - not sure what you mean with linear time (or better what the
 opposite of that is).
 If I understood correctly, you fear that the time between clicking
 next page and actually being able to read that next page/slide is
 too long.

 ciao
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Suggestions for website

2011-02-16 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Is a wiki page the best option, or would you guys like us to transfer pages
to the main sites (libreoffice.org and documentfoundation.org)?

On 16 Feb 2011 16:01, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
FYI, we, in the marketing section, have been hard at work organising some of
our list of work items. Some of our sections may be of interest on the
website. Here are two in particular:

LibreOffice in the Press[1]: We have dressed up this page. We could maybe
add a section on the site called the LibreOffice Press Gallery with a
catchy note: Do you have spare time and would like to catch up on the
LibreOffice wave? Visit our LibreOffice in the Press wiki page, choose a
page or two, kick back your feet, put some music on, and relax in the
LibreOffice glow. We could dress up the website page with clipart(s)
appropriate for an international setting (avoid a westernized look but make
more of a universal look) and direct the reader to the wiki page.

LibreOffice Wallpapers. We are in the process of collecting LibreOffice
wallpapers (many thanks for Paulo and his talented artwork!). We presently
have 3 wallpapers on the page. They all look awesome! This could also be
advertised on the LibreOffice site.

Cheers

Marc

[1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_In_The_Press
[2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Wallpapers


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Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer

2011-02-15 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Back on topic, any updates getting this live?

On 15 Feb 2011 13:19, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at
wrote:
 Hi Michael, all

 Michael Meeks schrieb:

 On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 13:54 +0800, David Nelson wrote:
 Sure. Why don't you start a new thread then and, with your first post,
 CC to michael.me...@novell.com so that he sees it. I'm sure he'll post
 back.

 Sounds good to me; the only problem is the mind-mashed reply-to
 mangling on this list, that not only encourages people to post more -
 since they don't get duplicate personal replies to threads ;-) but also
 means that my CC will inevitably be lost - so in this thread, I only got
 your (CC'd) mail, not Matt's reply.

 Hey ho - list mis-configuration is one of those evil nasties I'd love
 to fix from the Collabnet monster; it helps build community. We have it
 done 'right' for the dev list at least ;-)

 Not for me personally - I always forget to reply all and I don't see
 any reason to get every mail twice. I think the dev list does it wrong ;-)

 If you are involved in a thread, just mark it and you'll can easily get
 notice on every new mail in this thread - no need for personal CC or
 double mails.

 So definition of right is not that easy as you suppose...

 Best regards

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Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer

2011-02-15 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Do you mind emailing him for me David, I'm on a smartphone so, well yeah.

Just quote my instructions wherever they are or link to the archive.

Thanks

On 15 Feb 2011 13:37, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote:
 Hi Matt, :-)

 http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780/admin

 is where we usually test stuff out before it goes live.

 You should have got the account details I sent you. Christian can give
 you an SSH account if you need it.

 Meanwhile, if you want to test stuff out there and need something
 doing, you can give me a buzz and I'll do it for you.

 David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer

2011-02-15 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Update, Christian has added the banner to the pumbaa site
http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780

He also made a few changes (I think to integrate with SilverStripe),
for those interested I have quoted his email below (since it wasn't
CC'd to the list).

On 15 February 2011 21:14, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi Matt,

 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:

 The donations banner is ready for implimentation.

 Added it (for testing layout, etc, thus only static version for a
 start) to http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780


 For reference:
 templates/Includes/Banner.ss
 % control Banner %
 % require themedCSS(banner) %
 !--donation meter begin--
 a class=banner1 href=http://challenge.documentfoundation.org;
 title=Go to the donations page to find out more
  div id=banner1
  p id=marker-text$Metertext/p
  div id=marker1
   div id=marker2 style=width:{$Meterwidth}px;/div
  /div
  h2 id=countdown$Bannertext/h2
  /div
 /a
 !--donation meter end--
 % end_control %

 corresponding php
function Banner() {
$vars = new DataObjectSet();
  ...your logic goes here - note that I just hardcoded values, your
 logic isn't active yet...
$vars-push(new ArrayData(array(
Metertext  = $amounttext,
Meterwidth = $barwidth,
Bannertext = $daysleft)));
return $vars;
}

 And actually using it by adding it to the Page.ss template:
 div id=TopHeader
  a id=Logo href=% control Page(/) %$Link title=%
 sprintf(_t('Navigation.GOTOPAGE','Go to the %s page'),$Title.XML)
 %% end_control %/a
  p id=HeaderTagLine$SiteConfig.Tagline/p
  % include Banner %
 /div

 I.e. the Banner.ss gets included, that calls the Banner function of
 the controller (the php) and puts in the values.

 Also don't forget to link the CSS stylesheet, and include(); the PHP script

 Oh, and upload the images - and correct any paths (URL/URI's) in any
 of the text ofcourse

 Yes, those didn't match :-) - I don't include the css here, as apart
 from the image-fixes, I only added p#HeaderTagLine {display:none;}
 (instead of omitting it.

 ciao
 Christian


On 15 February 2011 17:18, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi Matt,

 well, sorry for not being able to reply to each and every mail, it's
 not that I can read my 24hours a day :-)

 Regarding (shell) access to the testing server: Send me your ssh key
 (and a preferred login name, otherwise I would just use matt) and I
 can create an account for you.

 regarding integrating the banner: I'll take care of that later this
 day, first on pumbaa, and if everything is OK, wait for the go by
 Florian (there is no point in adding the banner when the site with the
 explanations, detailed info isn't ready) and send it to the live
 site...

 ciao
 Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Long pages should broken up into smaller slides/pages

2011-02-14 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Ok, since a picture speaks a thousand words, I decided to mockup my vision.

http://www.filefactory.com/file/b567dg2/n/mockup1.png

It's about splitting up the page into manageable chunks, that are
visually intuitive.

Hopefully you can criticize the idea to improve, or reform, it's basic
foundation.

On 14 February 2011 09:55, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote:
 Hi guys,

        So - first it is important to realise that (as expected) this new
 features web-page is the #2 most read page on the site, after the
 Download page.

        So - whatever we do, it needs to be:

        a) highly polished
 and     b) present as much 'wow' as possible in as little
           space as possible

 On Sun, 2011-02-13 at 03:22 +0100, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
  Basically - make it lots of smaller pages.
 Basically: Yes.

        So - IMHO the lots of little pages idea is a disaster for loosing user
 interest; the latency of loading a new page, and/or the UI complexity
 (imagine eg. a mobile phone device and the disaster of tab switching and
 the multi-second page load latency) is problematic here.

 We need to work on most of the pages to reduce the amount of text and
 add more graphical content.

        This I agree with.

        IMHO - we should separate the information on the page into two strands:

        * features that are distinctive to LibreOffice
                + this still will remain static / un-changed and only
                  grow and/or require minor edits over time I think.

        * new features in the latest release

        Now - of course, this interacts with our Bandwidth story - that page is
 stuffed full of big images scaled only on the client ;-) so - serving it
 is a bit of a pain, and slower than necessary.

        I suspect we would be better served by having a table of thumbnails at
 the top (as now), perhaps split into two pieces new new and
 distinctives. And then, (perhaps) some textual content below it, and
 perhaps two or more (but not a dozen) separate pages with more content
 describing each feature (?).

 I added Michael Meeks to CC, because he has been the driving force
 behind this page.

        Only because my suspicions (strongly confirmed by the numbers) were
 that this would be the #1 or #2 page on our site, and it was initially
 terrible, but is now a -lot- better (but still needs love as we see) :-)

        Anyhow - it would be fantastic to have people giving some love, and
 thought to this page, and really I'm no web designer; but have pity on
 those that are. Silverstripe (and Drupal) do not make it easy to manage
 lots of images (FWIW), so ... changes in that area can be lots of point,
 click, drag, click, point (etc. etc. - did I mention - I *loathe* -all-
 web GUIs that have no sane key-navigation, search/replace/ etc. ;-)

        So - to re-iterate; my requirements would be:

        a) Be careful, think hard, understand this is -the- key entry
           point linked in the media etc.
        b) Consider clueful users' news reading habits: triage news
           pages, middle clicking interesting things, then reading /
           closing tabs one by one.
                + IMHO expecting lots of focused, high latency,
                  multi-click attention on us is unrealistic for the
                  majority use-case
                + Ergo a dozen of must-click-somewhere-else pages may
                  have some esthetic pleasure from a design perspective
                  but will (I think) suck completely from a getting-lots
                  of-richness-to-many-eyeballs perspective :-)
                + so please don't hyper-fragment the information.

        Apart from that - go go go ! :-)

        ATB,

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Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer

2011-02-14 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Well I've already emailed a prototype, But repeating myself:

On 14 February 2011 02:40, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, I've just put the donations meter script on the 600x60 banner:

Archive of source and files:
   http://www.filefactory.com/file/b56528h/n/banner1.zip
Screenshot:
   http://www.filefactory.com/file/b565290/n/banner1.png


Note: I haven't done the if ($countdown == 0){} yet for this, so
setting $countdown to 0 might not look as intended.

And a later screenshot:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b565c8a/n/banner1-header.png

a few specific pointers or code contributions would be appreciated, thanks

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Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer

2011-02-14 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Ok,

I have updated the script to use your graphic.

Sorry, since I haven't got a wiki account yet I can't upload there,
but I Google'd  for one more suited to images, anyway here's the link
to a screenshot.
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/6296/screenshot100y.png

Hope that's slightly better.


Will now work on integrating the countdown script.

On 14 February 2011 22:00, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
 Hi Matt,

 Matt Sturgeon schrieb:

 Well I've already emailed a prototype,

 I already saw it - but it is quite different from my banner in color, text,
 font and so on.

 Therefore I tried to provide you with the necessary basic informations for
 the barometer and the countdown.

 Both should be added in front of the banner (I added the rest of the image
 to the wiki):
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Empty_banner_600x60.png

 If barometer and countdown are positioned in the exact position, the image
 will not be considered as divided in single parts, but one integrated
 banner.

 Is this would be possible, it would be great!

 But repeating myself:

 On 14 February 2011 02:40, Matt Sturgeonmtt...@gmail.com  wrote:

 Ok, I've just put the donations meter script on the 600x60 banner:

 Archive of source and files:
   http://www.filefactory.com/file/b56528h/n/banner1.zip
 Screenshot:
   http://www.filefactory.com/file/b565290/n/banner1.png


 Note: I haven't done the if ($countdown == 0){} yet for this, so
 setting $countdown to 0 might not look as intended.

 And a later screenshot:
 http://www.filefactory.com/file/b565c8a/n/banner1-header.png

 a few specific pointers or code contributions would be appreciated, thanks

 Sorry - I can't code PHP, and with my restricted HTML coding experience I
 gave you size and color of the objects. Please tell me, what information you
 need still...

 Best regards

 Bernhard

 PS: Would you mind uploading your files to our wiki? Having to go through
 those ads on the filefactory site is quite annoying...

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Banner for website

2011-02-14 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Ok, well I've got it implimented.

meter-fill.png - http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2935/meterfill.png
banner1.png  - http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4644/banner1ny.png

--banner1.css--
a.banner1 {
position:absolute;
top:13px;
text-decoration: none;
color:#000;
cursor:pointer;
margin:0;
padding:0;
} div#banner1 {
background:url('banner1.png') no-repeat;
height:60px;
width:600px;
overflow:hidden;
} #countdown {
color:#555;
position:relative;
top:-23px;
left:6px;
margin:5px;
} #marker1 {
background:#ccf4c6;
border:1px solid #18a303;
position:relative;
top:-3px;
left:248px;
width:330px;
} #marker2 {
position:relative;
height:13px;
background:#18a303 url('meter-fill.png') repeat-x;
bottom:0;
left:0;
display:block;
border-right:1px solid #207313;
} #marker-text {
color:#106802;
position:relative;
top:27px;
left:248px;
z-index:5;
width:330px;
font-size:0.9em;
text-align:center;
}
End banner1.css--


banner1.php-
?php
$donation_goal = 5;
$donation_current = 1568; // Where to link this?
$currency = '#8364;'; // Euros


// Get a percentage
$donation_percent = ($donation_current / $donation_goal) * 100;

// Make the percentage an integer
if ($donation_percent  100) {
$donation_percent = 100;
} elseif ($donation_percent  99  $donation_percent  100) {
$donation_percent = 99;
} elseif ($donation_percent  1  $donation_percent  0) {
$donation_percent = 1;
} else {
$donation_percent = round($donation_percent);
}

// convert it to pixels
$donation_pixels = $donation_percent * 3.3;


// mktime ( Hours, Mins, Secs, Month, Day, Year )
$to = mktime(23, 59, 59, 2, 28, 2011);
$now = time();
$interval = $to - $now;

$countdown_d = floor ( $interval /  (24*3600) );
$countdown_h = floor( ($interval-$countdown_d*24*3600) / 3600 );
$countdown_m = floor( ($interval-$countdown_d*24*3600-$countdown_h*3600) / 60 );
?
-End banner1.php-



- Nest this in div id=TopHeader / replacing p
id=HeaderTagLine
/ --
!--donation meter begin--
a class=banner1 href=/get-involved/donate/ 
title=Go to the
donations page to find out morediv id=banner1
p id=marker-text
?php 
echo($currency.$donation_current.,nbsp;.$donation_percent);?%
/p
div id=marker1
div id=marker2 
style=width:?php echo($donation_pixels);?px;
/div
/div
h2 id=countdown?php
 if ($countdown_d  
5  $countdown_d != 0)
echo (Only );

 if ($countdown_d  0) echo ($countdown_d. days left!);

 elseif ($countdown_d = 0  $countdown_h  0) echo
($countdown_h. hours left!);

 elseif ($countdown_h = 0  $countdown_m  0) echo
($countdown_h. minutes left!);

 else echo (Times up! But you can still donate...);
   ?/h2
/div/a
!--donation meter end--
-- End section to be nested -

And don't forget to link the CSS stylesheet, and include(); the PHP script


Oh, and upload the images - and correct any paths (URL/URI's) in any
of the text ofcourse

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Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer

2011-02-14 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Got it, thanks.

Any comments on getting that banner on the site?

On 15 Feb 2011 04:54, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote:
 Hi Matt, :-)

 Done. Mailed you. HTH.

 David Nelson

 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:01, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Matt Sturgeon will do the trick, thanks ;-)

 On 15 February 2011 03:59, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote:
 Hi Matt, :-)

 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 07:13, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sorry, since I haven't got a wiki account yet I can't upload there

 If you want a wiki account, tell me your preferred login name and I
 can create one for you. HTH.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer

2011-02-14 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Thanks, your welcome :-)

With regard to Features and Fixes, I did, eventually, make a mockup of
my vision. I just uploaded it to the wiki at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Features_Fixes_Mockup1.png

I'd still like feedback on it, since I received none from the
whatever-dumb-proprietary-upload-site-I-found-on-google upload.

On 15 February 2011 05:21, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote:
 Hi Matt, :-)

 Looks fine to me. Christian will be the guy who does the integration -
 feel free to mail him directly with a request about that, although I
 think he's watching this thread.

 A big thanks from all of us for your work on this. :-)

 If you felt up to the task, the New Features and Fixes page at [1]
 would need CSS love and attention...

 [1] http://www.libreoffice.org/download/new-features-and-fixes/

 David Nelson




 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:57, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Got it, thanks.

 Any comments on getting that banner on the site?

 On 15 Feb 2011 04:54, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote:
 Hi Matt, :-)

 Done. Mailed you. HTH.

 David Nelson

 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:01, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Matt Sturgeon will do the trick, thanks ;-)

 On 15 February 2011 03:59, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote:
 Hi Matt, :-)

 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 07:13, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sorry, since I haven't got a wiki account yet I can't upload there

 If you want a wiki account, tell me your preferred login name and I
 can create one for you. HTH.

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[libreoffice-website] New libreoffice.org New Features and Fixes layout

2011-02-14 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Hi,

There's a couple threads on the Web Admins list about this, so this is
the new unified place to talk about, well, the New libreoffice.org
New Features and Fixes layout.

Which at the present time, is a very basic and over simplified mockup
by me: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Features_Fixes_Mockup1.png

Put simply, the idea is making the new features and fixes, easier to
find, and easier on the eyes.

The proposed method is basically a filtered slideshow (see mockup),
but unlike traditional JavaScript slideshows, it should contain HTML
rather than pixels.

Hope you find something to comment on

(again: see the linked mockup)

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Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer

2011-02-13 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Putting it in the banner would be easy, but I don't know how you'd want it
to look.

On 14 Feb 2011 01:09, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at
wrote:
 Hi Matt,


 Matt Sturgeon schrieb:
 Ok. This script is ready for review. Note it needs some variables to
 be linked with actual data, and alla links are unset.
 Also, the CSS may not be to your liking, only some size and
 positioning settings are important. The fill image is a transparent
 glass effect, so the colour can be changed from CSS.
 Get the meter-scale.png
 http://www.filefactory.com/file/b562ac1/n/meter-scale.png
 and get meter-fill.png from
 http://www.filefactory.com/file/b562abh/n/meter-fill.png

 Do you want a donate button or link? If button, chrome (browser
 widget) button or image button?

 would it be possible to integrate your script in the banner?
 (as overlay) or would it be better to create daily graphics for a banner
 used on every page on the website?

 Please have a look at my latest proposal...
 http://go.mail-archive.com/-14Qrc0Ubdpe8siUJOY3yU7lLMQ=

 Best regards

 Bernhard

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[libreoffice-website] Donations meter on banner

2011-02-13 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Ok, I've just put the donations meter script on the 600x60 banner:

Archive of source and files:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b56528h/n/banner1.zip
Screenshot:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b565290/n/banner1.png


Note: I haven't done the if ($countdown == 0){} yet for this, so
setting $countdown to 0 might not look as intended.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Banner for website

2011-02-12 Thread Matt Sturgeon
A standard size is 728x90. but you wanna make sure all the edges are
the same colour, since it will help if you want to do:
style
body {
margin:0;padding:0;
}
div.banner1{
position:fixed;
width:100%;
background-color:#000;
align:top;
}
/style/headbody
a href=div class=banner1img src=example.png //div/a

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 Hi Florian, :-)

 On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 07:06, Florian Effenberger
 flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 What banner size should we use?

 Probably quicker just to let Christoph and the guys decide...

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Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer

2011-02-12 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Ok, I've got something in PHP almost ready. I'm just doing colours now...

On 12 February 2011 01:31, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm working on simplifying the second example (the one I tried to
 attach the source of), it should be fairly simple once I'm done with
 it ;P

 On 12 February 2011 01:28, Christian Lohmaier
 lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi *,

 On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, the first example must be rendered by a server-side script or
 something (or just be a approx image, like a network signal icon).

 Oh, don't think so complicated. The following won't work in IE6, but
 you could just use a mask image, with transparent scale, and just
 use a colored background that will shine through.

 Both are plain and can easily be achieved.

 Attached is the source,

 Nope, no attachments on this list, they are stripped...

 But for creating a progressbar, one can just use plain css (well, of
 course depends at what time the values are read)

 ciao
 Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer

2011-02-12 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Ok, most of the script is finnished.

It is based on http://green-beast.com/experiments/mix_donations_gauge.php
- which is Copyright © May 2006-2011 Mike Cherim. Some rights
reserved. The original files include a header requesting Attribute
to: a href=http://green-beast.com/;Mike Cherim/a, I'll leave it
to you guys to decide if the file is re-invented enough to justify the
attribution, and if not, where to place the link.


The image (from scratch work) must stay at a fixed height (unless
editing the script), but the width may vary. I still have to complete
the image by adding marks for basic %'s.

The colour scheme is LibreOffice/Document Foundation branded -
utilising the greens on
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Color_Table.

I've probably forgotten to mention something important, but have a
look at the code - If you don't like it I'll just knock up something
really simple from scratch.

A zip archive can be downloaded from here:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b55h54f/n/donation-meter.zip

On 12 February 2011 08:24, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok, I've got something in PHP almost ready. I'm just doing colours now...

 On 12 February 2011 01:31, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm working on simplifying the second example (the one I tried to
 attach the source of), it should be fairly simple once I'm done with
 it ;P

 On 12 February 2011 01:28, Christian Lohmaier
 lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi *,

 On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, the first example must be rendered by a server-side script or
 something (or just be a approx image, like a network signal icon).

 Oh, don't think so complicated. The following won't work in IE6, but
 you could just use a mask image, with transparent scale, and just
 use a colored background that will shine through.

 Both are plain and can easily be achieved.

 Attached is the source,

 Nope, no attachments on this list, they are stripped...

 But for creating a progressbar, one can just use plain css (well, of
 course depends at what time the values are read)

 ciao
 Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Long pages should broken up into smaller slides/pages

2011-02-12 Thread Matt Sturgeon
The Ubuntu instilation slideshow is a text/html/css/images slideshow
built with css and javacript. Although it's designed for reasonably
short presentations, which automatically slide, it is almost perfect
for this.

You would have filters at the top of the page, and they would filter
first by version, then by application e.g:

  Since version: | All | 3.0 | 3.3.0 | 3.3.1 |
  In Application: | Writer | Impress | Calc !etc, etc

  
  |   |
  |   |
  |   |
  |   HTML (not just image) Slides  |
  |   |
  |   |
  |   |
  

Which would

On 13 February 2011 02:22, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
 Hi Matt, all,

 Matt Sturgeon schrieb:

 Hi

 I have a suggestion regarding long pages such as
 /download/new-features-and-fixes/.

 Basically - make it lots of smaller pages.

 Basically: Yes.

 We need to work on most of the pages to reduce the amount of text and add
 more graphical content.

 While we wanted to avoid third level navigation where possible, I think that
 this is not possible, if we want to keep this content on the website and not
 move it to the wiki.

 Coordination should be done in collaboration with Ivan and Christoph, but
 someone / several people will have to *do* the work - as both of them spend
 as much of their time as possible for LibreOffice.

 But back to the new features page:

 I don't know if this page will stay in this length or will become shorter
 from time to time.

 It depends mainly on what we decide are new features:

 Features introduced since the last major version (LibO 3.0 - LibO 4.0)

 Features introduced since the last minor version (LibO 3.3 - LibO 3.4)

 Features introduced since the last micro version
 (LibO 3.3.0 - LibO 3.3.1)

 My idea would be a possibility to change between these different subsets for
 the visitor (and keeping the structure based on the sub-applications) - as
 well as a search function for specific features/fixes.

 Perhaps this would be easier to create and maintain (as an option to add the
 features/fixes by their developers - together with screenshots they took
 while testing it), but this is open to discussion.

 I added Michael Meeks to CC, because he has been the driving force behind
 this page.

 Ofcourse it may be more effective to provide something more like a
 slideshow, such as the Ubuntu instillation slideshow (with a few
 tweaks to suit LibreOffice, and longer presentations)(which is based
 on JavaScript, CSS and HTML), could provide a valid solution for this.

 A slideshow containing not only screenshots, but text too might be possible,
 but I can't imagine how this will work hierarchically.

 I would reccomend developing a LibreOffice slideshow framework/API
 (based on a simple slideshow like Ubuntu's) and use it accross the
 website where applicable (like the New Features and Fixes page).

 We already have Colorbox - a possibility to integrate single images and a
 line of images to the page.

 http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780/colorbox-2/colorbox-in-page/

 (see the second example - with next/previous buttons)

 Best regards

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Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer

2011-02-12 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Would someone mind mocking up the basic layout/colour scheme? thanks!

On 13 February 2011 02:44, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am rewriting the script from scratch so that it is more suited to
 LibreOffice, and so that it can integrate slightly with the countdown
 (i.e, showing a different display when time's up).

 On 12 February 2011 10:21, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok, most of the script is finnished.

 It is based on http://green-beast.com/experiments/mix_donations_gauge.php
 - which is Copyright © May 2006-2011 Mike Cherim. Some rights
 reserved. The original files include a header requesting Attribute
 to: a href=http://green-beast.com/;Mike Cherim/a, I'll leave it
 to you guys to decide if the file is re-invented enough to justify the
 attribution, and if not, where to place the link.


 The image (from scratch work) must stay at a fixed height (unless
 editing the script), but the width may vary. I still have to complete
 the image by adding marks for basic %'s.

 The colour scheme is LibreOffice/Document Foundation branded -
 utilising the greens on
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Color_Table.

 I've probably forgotten to mention something important, but have a
 look at the code - If you don't like it I'll just knock up something
 really simple from scratch.

 A zip archive can be downloaded from here:
 http://www.filefactory.com/file/b55h54f/n/donation-meter.zip

 On 12 February 2011 08:24, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok, I've got something in PHP almost ready. I'm just doing colours now...

 On 12 February 2011 01:31, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm working on simplifying the second example (the one I tried to
 attach the source of), it should be fairly simple once I'm done with
 it ;P

 On 12 February 2011 01:28, Christian Lohmaier
 lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi *,

 On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, the first example must be rendered by a server-side script or
 something (or just be a approx image, like a network signal icon).

 Oh, don't think so complicated. The following won't work in IE6, but
 you could just use a mask image, with transparent scale, and just
 use a colored background that will shine through.

 Both are plain and can easily be achieved.

 Attached is the source,

 Nope, no attachments on this list, they are stripped...

 But for creating a progressbar, one can just use plain css (well, of
 course depends at what time the values are read)

 ciao
 Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer

2011-02-12 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Are we expecting horizontal or vertical?

Where should it be aligned?

Image or colour fill?

What kind of overlay scale image?

Thanks

On 13 February 2011 02:47, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi *,

 On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 It is based on http://green-beast.com/experiments/mix_donations_gauge.php

 I personally don't like the thermometer based meters, I'd rather hope
 that branding/design comes up with a nice graphic to fill with a
 bar/color/other image.

 I'd then rather use an plain animated one/colored bar one like for
 example this one:
 http://t.wits.sg/misc/jQueryProgressBar/demo.php

 ciao
 Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer

2011-02-12 Thread Matt Sturgeon
I am rewriting the script from scratch so that it is more suited to
LibreOffice, and so that it can integrate slightly with the countdown
(i.e, showing a different display when time's up).

On 12 February 2011 10:21, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok, most of the script is finnished.

 It is based on http://green-beast.com/experiments/mix_donations_gauge.php
 - which is Copyright © May 2006-2011 Mike Cherim. Some rights
 reserved. The original files include a header requesting Attribute
 to: a href=http://green-beast.com/;Mike Cherim/a, I'll leave it
 to you guys to decide if the file is re-invented enough to justify the
 attribution, and if not, where to place the link.


 The image (from scratch work) must stay at a fixed height (unless
 editing the script), but the width may vary. I still have to complete
 the image by adding marks for basic %'s.

 The colour scheme is LibreOffice/Document Foundation branded -
 utilising the greens on
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Color_Table.

 I've probably forgotten to mention something important, but have a
 look at the code - If you don't like it I'll just knock up something
 really simple from scratch.

 A zip archive can be downloaded from here:
 http://www.filefactory.com/file/b55h54f/n/donation-meter.zip

 On 12 February 2011 08:24, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok, I've got something in PHP almost ready. I'm just doing colours now...

 On 12 February 2011 01:31, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm working on simplifying the second example (the one I tried to
 attach the source of), it should be fairly simple once I'm done with
 it ;P

 On 12 February 2011 01:28, Christian Lohmaier
 lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi *,

 On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, the first example must be rendered by a server-side script or
 something (or just be a approx image, like a network signal icon).

 Oh, don't think so complicated. The following won't work in IE6, but
 you could just use a mask image, with transparent scale, and just
 use a colored background that will shine through.

 Both are plain and can easily be achieved.

 Attached is the source,

 Nope, no attachments on this list, they are stripped...

 But for creating a progressbar, one can just use plain css (well, of
 course depends at what time the values are read)

 ciao
 Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Long pages should broken up into smaller slides/pages

2011-02-12 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Don't worry, I 100% agree with what your saying about the text, and
everything, I'll get to work when I'm done on the donations meter.

On 13 February 2011 02:54, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote:
 Hi, :-)

 On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:22, Bernhard Dippold
 bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
 We need to work on most of the pages to reduce the amount of text and add
 more graphical content.

 Coordination should be done in collaboration with Ivan and Christoph, but
 someone / several people will have to *do* the work - as both of them spend
 as much of their time as possible for LibreOffice.

 Sounds like you should maybe do the work yourself, since that's your
 vision... I'd say that the pages need additional graphics and work on
 layout but, IMHO, the text contains interesting, worthwhile
 information that is good for informing people about the project. When
 looking at the site design, it's better to consider *all* the
 viewpoints and potential visitors...

 That's my personal 2 cents... ;-)

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Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer

2011-02-12 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Ok, I've been working on some markup, and an image for the meter.

Here is a screenshot:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b56259e/n/donations-v3-screenshot.png
Horizontal

The script isn't finished yet, but the basics of the markup are (it's
just text and text styling left - oh, and I'm just working on adding a
scale gauge to the meter).

On 13 February 2011 02:51, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Are we expecting horizontal or vertical?

 Where should it be aligned?

 Image or colour fill?

 What kind of overlay scale image?

 Thanks

 On 13 February 2011 02:47, Christian Lohmaier
 lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi *,

 On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 It is based on http://green-beast.com/experiments/mix_donations_gauge.php

 I personally don't like the thermometer based meters, I'd rather hope
 that branding/design comes up with a nice graphic to fill with a
 bar/color/other image.

 I'd then rather use an plain animated one/colored bar one like for
 example this one:
 http://t.wits.sg/misc/jQueryProgressBar/demo.php

 ciao
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Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer

2011-02-12 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Ok, I think I just finished the markup (except text content and
formatting, and some colours - which I don't think is my
responsibility), and I have uploaded an updated screenshot here:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b562642/n/donations-v3-screenshot.png

I will now work on finishing the PHP, and integrating it into the markup.

On 13 February 2011 06:35, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok, I've been working on some markup, and an image for the meter.

 Here is a screenshot:
 http://www.filefactory.com/file/b56259e/n/donations-v3-screenshot.png
 Horizontal

 The script isn't finished yet, but the basics of the markup are (it's
 just text and text styling left - oh, and I'm just working on adding a
 scale gauge to the meter).

 On 13 February 2011 02:51, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Are we expecting horizontal or vertical?

 Where should it be aligned?

 Image or colour fill?

 What kind of overlay scale image?

 Thanks

 On 13 February 2011 02:47, Christian Lohmaier
 lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi *,

 On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 It is based on http://green-beast.com/experiments/mix_donations_gauge.php

 I personally don't like the thermometer based meters, I'd rather hope
 that branding/design comes up with a nice graphic to fill with a
 bar/color/other image.

 I'd then rather use an plain animated one/colored bar one like for
 example this one:
 http://t.wits.sg/misc/jQueryProgressBar/demo.php

 ciao
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: countdown script

2011-02-12 Thread Matt Sturgeon
I need that info to for the donations meter.

Is there a variable we can set for total cash from donations?

Also what variable is being used to store the number of remaining days?

On 13 February 2011 07:44, Stefan Weigel
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 Am 13.02.2011 03:37, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:

 IMHO it only makes sense to define the #of days via php/the templates
 and do more detailed timers in javascript on the client side.

 I wonder how a PHP or Javascript would automatically determine the
 missing money? Will there be an interface to the banking account?

 :-D

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[libreoffice-website] Long pages should brocken up into smaller slides/pages

2011-02-11 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Hi

I have a suggestion regarding long pages such as
/download/new-features-and-fixes/.

Basically - make it lots of smaller pages.

Ofcourse it may be more effective to provide something more like a
slideshow, such as the Ubuntu instillation slideshow (with a few
tweaks to suit LibreOffice, and longer presentations)(which is based
on JavaScript, CSS and HTML), could provide a valid solution for this.

I would reccomend developing a LibreOffice slideshow framework/API
(based on a simple slideshow like Ubuntu's) and use it accross the
website where applicable (like the New Features and Fixes page).


Things that the API should allow configuring:

* Whether or not next/previous buttons are included
* Whether or not aboslute buttons (like slide-1, slide-2, slide-3,
etc) are included

This could be really useful for providing a modern web expieriance in
the future.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Banner for website

2011-02-11 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Well, ideally it would be nice to have it as an SVG, or arranged in
divs, (for scalable width), but back to reality, where bitmap
formats are the only cross-browser supported options, then the size
depends mainly on where abouts on the page your putting it...

If you wanted top+full-width, you can try the attached archive (btw i
chose position:fixed; just for kicks, same with div id=random-text
- it's style and the adiv class=banner1 //a that counts)...

On 11 February 2011 23:06, Florian Effenberger
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 Hello,

 for the Foundation fundraising, I plan to have a banner (or maybe rotating
 banners) at top of each site, i.e. all native language sites and all others
 like LibreOffice-Box.

 Can we easily achieve that if we have the banner (will ping the design list
 tomorrow)? What banner size should we use?

 Thanks,
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Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer

2011-02-11 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Well, the first example must be rendered by a server-side script or
something (or just be a approx image, like a network signal icon).

The second is more interesting... It's a background image, and a meter
image. the meter image's size is ajusted by a JavaScript, creating a
variably sized image.

Attached is the source, but modified to be one file (the relevant CSS
and JavaScript is embedded). My comments are in English, whilst the
original comments appear (to me at least) to be German.

On 11 February 2011 23:10, Florian Effenberger
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 Hello,

 for the Foundation fundraising, I'd also have one page with a donation
 barometer, see the examples at

 http://www.erzbistum-koeln.de/export/sites/erzbistum/schule/grundschule_ittenbach/_galerien/bilder/spendenbarometer.jpg
 and
 http://www.labs.orangepointsolutions.com/barometer/

 Is there an easy way of automatically generating such an image, e.g. via a
 script, according to the current donation level?

 Thanks,
 Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer

2011-02-11 Thread Matt Sturgeon
I'm working on simplifying the second example (the one I tried to
attach the source of), it should be fairly simple once I'm done with
it ;P

On 12 February 2011 01:28, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi *,

 On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Matt Sturgeon mtt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, the first example must be rendered by a server-side script or
 something (or just be a approx image, like a network signal icon).

 Oh, don't think so complicated. The following won't work in IE6, but
 you could just use a mask image, with transparent scale, and just
 use a colored background that will shine through.

 Both are plain and can easily be achieved.

 Attached is the source,

 Nope, no attachments on this list, they are stripped...

 But for creating a progressbar, one can just use plain css (well, of
 course depends at what time the values are read)

 ciao
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Banner for website

2011-02-11 Thread Matt Sturgeon
Sorry, I didn't know attachments are stripped on this list.
The HTML was:


htmlheadtitleExample Banner/titlestyle
body {
margin:0;padding:0;
}
div.banner1{
position:fixed;
width:100%;
background-color:#000;
align:top;
}
/style/headbody
a href=div class=banner1img src=example.png //div/a
div id=random-text
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