Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary
Hoi, From a Wiktionary point of view they are not the same. Wiktionary links articles that have the same spelling in common. For every meaning in every language they link to the articles that have a specific spelling and it is potluck if that meaning actually exists. Thanks, GerardM On 14 May 2015 at 16:49, John Erling Blad jeb...@gmail.com wrote: As I read your proposal you want to automate IW-linkage of similar lexemes, but how do you want to handle those cases where the lexemes are not similar? Your example the tea room vs le questions sur let mots is such a case. Is this handled as a mixed automatic/manuel case, with lexemes added automatically and the additional ones added manually? Can you elaborate on how you want to handle word form vs word sense? John On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 4:54 AM, Denny Vrandečić vrande...@gmail.com wrote: It is rather clear that everyone wants Wikidata to also support Wiktionary, and there have been plenty of proposals in the last few years. I think that the latest proposals are sufficiently similar to go for the next step: a break down of the tasks needed to get this done. Currently, the idea of having Wikidata supporting Wiktionary is stalled because it is regarded as a large monolithic task, and as such it is hard to plan and commit to. I tried to come up with a task break-down, and discussed it with Lydia and Daniel, and now, as said in the last office hour, here it is for discussion and community input. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary/Development/Proposals/2015-05 I think it would be really awesome if we would start moving in this direction. Wiktionary supported by Wikidata could quickly become one of the crucial pieces of infrastructure for the Web as a whole, but in particular for Wikipedia and its future development. Cheers, Denny ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary
Seems like this is doable, and it does describe a solution to how Wiktionary can be linked form Wikidata. It is although not completely clear to me how some remaining problems can be solved. How do we go from a spelled form of a lexeme at Wiktionary and to an identifier on Wikidata? And how do we go from one Sense to another synonym Sense? Do we use statements? But then only the L-identifiers can be used, so we will link them at the Lexeme level.. Wiktionary is organized around homonyms while Wikipedia is organized around synonyms, especially across languages, and I think this difference creates some of the problems. On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:36 AM, John Erling Blad jeb...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, found a sentence in task 2. :) On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote: Am 14.05.2015 um 23:54 schrieb John Erling Blad: Let me rephrase, and the question is for Denny unless someone knows the answer. Lexemes at different languages share a spelling, and that is the reason why they are linked together. That kind of linkage can be automated. Some other pages (usually in other namespaces) at those projects should be linked too, but can't be handled automatically. Would they be handled as sitelinks in Items? Yes, I'd assume so. -- Daniel Kinzler Senior Software Developer Wikimedia Deutschland Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary
Am 14.05.2015 um 23:54 schrieb John Erling Blad: Let me rephrase, and the question is for Denny unless someone knows the answer. Lexemes at different languages share a spelling, and that is the reason why they are linked together. That kind of linkage can be automated. Some other pages (usually in other namespaces) at those projects should be linked too, but can't be handled automatically. Would they be handled as sitelinks in Items? Yes, I'd assume so. -- Daniel Kinzler Senior Software Developer Wikimedia Deutschland Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
[Wikidata-l] Wikidata-l: List rename on Tuesday, 19th
Hi everyone, On Tuesday, 19th of May, there is the intention to rename the wikidata-l mailing list to wikidata https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99136. This will drop the -l suffix. This is being done in the intention to unify and standarise a naming scheme for all Wikimedia mailing lists that has been waiting for several years. This is taking part in an existing planned maintenance window https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99098 so no issues are expected to arise from this. Existing URLs and emails will continue to function correctly. This is just an email giving a brief notice that this will happen. If you have any more questions, please reply and I'll try my best to respond as soon as possible. Thanks to Lydia for kindly accepting to allow a rename of the list to happen during the Tuesday window as well. John Lewis ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary
Let me rephrase, and the question is for Denny unless someone knows the answer. Lexemes at different languages share a spelling, and that is the reason why they are linked together. That kind of linkage can be automated. Some other pages (usually in other namespaces) at those projects should be linked too, but can't be handled automatically. Would they be handled as sitelinks in Items? John On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, From a Wiktionary point of view they are not the same. Wiktionary links articles that have the same spelling in common. For every meaning in every language they link to the articles that have a specific spelling and it is potluck if that meaning actually exists. Thanks, GerardM On 14 May 2015 at 16:49, John Erling Blad jeb...@gmail.com wrote: As I read your proposal you want to automate IW-linkage of similar lexemes, but how do you want to handle those cases where the lexemes are not similar? Your example the tea room vs le questions sur let mots is such a case. Is this handled as a mixed automatic/manuel case, with lexemes added automatically and the additional ones added manually? Can you elaborate on how you want to handle word form vs word sense? John On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 4:54 AM, Denny Vrandečić vrande...@gmail.com wrote: It is rather clear that everyone wants Wikidata to also support Wiktionary, and there have been plenty of proposals in the last few years. I think that the latest proposals are sufficiently similar to go for the next step: a break down of the tasks needed to get this done. Currently, the idea of having Wikidata supporting Wiktionary is stalled because it is regarded as a large monolithic task, and as such it is hard to plan and commit to. I tried to come up with a task break-down, and discussed it with Lydia and Daniel, and now, as said in the last office hour, here it is for discussion and community input. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary/Development/Proposals/2015-05 I think it would be really awesome if we would start moving in this direction. Wiktionary supported by Wikidata could quickly become one of the crucial pieces of infrastructure for the Web as a whole, but in particular for Wikipedia and its future development. Cheers, Denny ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary
Yes, found a sentence in task 2. :) On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote: Am 14.05.2015 um 23:54 schrieb John Erling Blad: Let me rephrase, and the question is for Denny unless someone knows the answer. Lexemes at different languages share a spelling, and that is the reason why they are linked together. That kind of linkage can be automated. Some other pages (usually in other namespaces) at those projects should be linked too, but can't be handled automatically. Would they be handled as sitelinks in Items? Yes, I'd assume so. -- Daniel Kinzler Senior Software Developer Wikimedia Deutschland Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] [WikiIT-l] next 2 rounds of arbitrary access coming up
Il 13/mag/2015 18:37, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com ha scritto: Lydia Pintscher, 13/05/2015 17:20: * 1. June: Italian Wikipedia, all remaining Wikisource A great way for Italian Wikipedians to feast on the 2nb june, Festa della Repubblica! :) And also a perfect gift for my 30th birthday. :P ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary
Hoi, This is in other words what my question amounts to. The question that Denny does not answer. Thanks, GerardM On 15 May 2015 at 01:11, John Erling Blad jeb...@gmail.com wrote: Seems like this is doable, and it does describe a solution to how Wiktionary can be linked form Wikidata. It is although not completely clear to me how some remaining problems can be solved. How do we go from a spelled form of a lexeme at Wiktionary and to an identifier on Wikidata? And how do we go from one Sense to another synonym Sense? Do we use statements? But then only the L-identifiers can be used, so we will link them at the Lexeme level.. Wiktionary is organized around homonyms while Wikipedia is organized around synonyms, especially across languages, and I think this difference creates some of the problems. On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:36 AM, John Erling Blad jeb...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, found a sentence in task 2. :) On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote: Am 14.05.2015 um 23:54 schrieb John Erling Blad: Let me rephrase, and the question is for Denny unless someone knows the answer. Lexemes at different languages share a spelling, and that is the reason why they are linked together. That kind of linkage can be automated. Some other pages (usually in other namespaces) at those projects should be linked too, but can't be handled automatically. Would they be handled as sitelinks in Items? Yes, I'd assume so. -- Daniel Kinzler Senior Software Developer Wikimedia Deutschland Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary
Hoi, What is your definition of a language and, if it is not along the lines of the ISO-639-3, how are they organised. One of the first things to do is understand how these languages can be incorporated in Wikidata and prepare for that. Do you have a list with all the languages and hopefully their code ? Thanks, GerardM ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
