[WISPA] 802.11y // Thoughts?
I have been hearing a lot of chatter over the last 2 months about 802.11y. I¹m not sure if I missed a thread about it or not, but what are the general thoughts? I just answered a question on LinkedIn about it. Here¹s the question and here¹s my answer to start the convo: Question: Will the new 802.11y standard affect the sales of proprietary WiMAX equipment? Since 802.11y gear operate in the 3650 - 3700 MHz band in the US, and it's based on WiFi, isn't it a better alternative to all that expensive WiMAX gear? My Answer: I think that if they are brought to market at the right price point, they will definitely offer an alternative to WiMAX / LTE basestations, especially for smaller WISPs and self-maintained users. The buzz that I have heard form these groups since the frequency announcements has always been around a 3650 product that is not WiMAX so that it is less expensive. When you couple 802.11 with the output power of this frequency set and the contention based protocols for backoff to allow it to play nicer, I think it could be the start of something great. I really think the price point is going to be the determining factor though. What are y¹alls thoughts on Y? Here¹s a link to the Wikipedia entry for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11y Also, have any vendors come out and said they will support Y? I can¹t think of any off the top of my head... Hope you all had a Merry Christmas!! -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 802.11y // Thoughts?
Drew Lentz wrote: Will the new 802.11y standard affect the sales of proprietary WiMAX equipment? Since 802.11y gear operate in the 3650 - 3700 MHz band in the US, and it's based on WiFi, isn't it a better alternative to all that expensive WiMAX gear? Depends on your definition of better. It may be less expensive, and while that's often better from the perspective of a small service provider's checkbook, it might not be so from the quality of service you provide. Unless/until this equipment is available and we can put it up in the air to field-test it, I'm not sure how useful it is to speculate. WiMAX gear is available now, and while it's still expensive, it's also pretty solid. And having spectrum that's almost guaranteed to be free of interference is NICE. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site?
But they didn't reboot. It was simply a disconnect reconnect. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site? Tranzeo followed the RFC by rebooting with whatever frame it was sent, as I recall. On 12/24/08, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: As it was explained to me, the problem was the exact opposite of what you've stated. Tranzeo did something that's NON standards based and MT finally created a work around. Who knows... Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site? Marlon, I thought the Tranzeo/MT problem was a Mikrotik issue, fixed by their update. (Tranzeo did a work-around, but it wasn't their bug) Or is there some other problem? Oh, www.tranzeo.com is working for me, now. And Merry Christmas to you, too! On Dec 21, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Glad it's not just me! grin Nothing particular right now. I was just checking for any new versions. Well, I guess I would sure like a fix for the Tranzeo/MT problem. Not the MT patch, but a proper fix from Tranzeo. And for Christmas I want a firmware for the Tranzeo AP's that doesn't lock up! Merry Christmas all! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site?
Thanks for clarifying that. I have read time and time again the devices would reboot (power cycle, not just reassociate!) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: But they didn't reboot. It was simply a disconnect reconnect. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site? Tranzeo followed the RFC by rebooting with whatever frame it was sent, as I recall. On 12/24/08, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: As it was explained to me, the problem was the exact opposite of what you've stated. Tranzeo did something that's NON standards based and MT finally created a work around. Who knows... Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site? Marlon, I thought the Tranzeo/MT problem was a Mikrotik issue, fixed by their update. (Tranzeo did a work-around, but it wasn't their bug) Or is there some other problem? Oh, www.tranzeo.com is working for me, now. And Merry Christmas to you, too! On Dec 21, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Glad it's not just me! grin Nothing particular right now. I was just checking for any new versions. Well, I guess I would sure like a fix for the Tranzeo/MT problem. Not the MT patch, but a proper fix from Tranzeo. And for Christmas I want a firmware for the Tranzeo AP's that doesn't lock up! Merry Christmas all! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Disconnects was: tranzeo's web site?
I'm not sure that it was confirmed a Tranzeo issue. Tranzeo was however very helpful to define the cause. And Mikrotik did fix the problem. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo Disconnects was: tranzeo's web site? Mikrotik sent out a very public announcement that they had fully researched the issues with Tranzeo client radios staying connected to Mikrotik APs. As a courtesy to their customers who use Tranzeo clients Mikrotik wrote a code modification into their AP code which could be used to enable more reliable connections with Trnazeo radios. Mikrotik stated that the trouble was that Tranzeo radios were not following the RFCs. Tranzeo would apparently not address the issue. The fact that Mikrotik did create a solution to an apparent Tranzeo problem should not lead anyone to assume that this was a Mikrotik problem at all. I never saw any piblic response from Tranzeo relating to this issue. Scriv On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Thanks for clarifying that. I have read time and time again the devices would reboot (power cycle, not just reassociate!) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: But they didn't reboot. It was simply a disconnect reconnect. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site? Tranzeo followed the RFC by rebooting with whatever frame it was sent, as I recall. On 12/24/08, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: As it was explained to me, the problem was the exact opposite of what you've stated. Tranzeo did something that's NON standards based and MT finally created a work around. Who knows... Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site? Marlon, I thought the Tranzeo/MT problem was a Mikrotik issue, fixed by their update. (Tranzeo did a work-around, but it wasn't their bug) Or is there some other problem? Oh, www.tranzeo.com is working for me, now. And Merry Christmas to you, too! On Dec 21, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Glad it's not just me! grin Nothing particular right now. I was just checking for any new versions. Well, I guess I would sure like a fix for the Tranzeo/MT problem. Not the MT patch, but a proper fix from Tranzeo. And for Christmas I want a firmware for the Tranzeo AP's that doesn't lock up! Merry Christmas all! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Disconnects was: tranzeo's web site?
Might be a difference of reading the RFCs. I.e. the RFCs are not clear enough as two people may be able to form their own interpretation too. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Tom DeReggi wrote: I'm not sure that it was confirmed a Tranzeo issue. Tranzeo was however very helpful to define the cause. And Mikrotik did fix the problem. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo Disconnects was: tranzeo's web site? Mikrotik sent out a very public announcement that they had fully researched the issues with Tranzeo client radios staying connected to Mikrotik APs. As a courtesy to their customers who use Tranzeo clients Mikrotik wrote a code modification into their AP code which could be used to enable more reliable connections with Trnazeo radios. Mikrotik stated that the trouble was that Tranzeo radios were not following the RFCs. Tranzeo would apparently not address the issue. The fact that Mikrotik did create a solution to an apparent Tranzeo problem should not lead anyone to assume that this was a Mikrotik problem at all. I never saw any piblic response from Tranzeo relating to this issue. Scriv On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Thanks for clarifying that. I have read time and time again the devices would reboot (power cycle, not just reassociate!) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: But they didn't reboot. It was simply a disconnect reconnect. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site? Tranzeo followed the RFC by rebooting with whatever frame it was sent, as I recall. On 12/24/08, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: As it was explained to me, the problem was the exact opposite of what you've stated. Tranzeo did something that's NON standards based and MT finally created a work around. Who knows... Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site? Marlon, I thought the Tranzeo/MT problem was a Mikrotik issue, fixed by their update. (Tranzeo did a work-around, but it wasn't their bug) Or is there some other problem? Oh, www.tranzeo.com is working for me, now. And Merry Christmas to you, too! On Dec 21, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Glad it's not just me! grin Nothing particular right now. I was just checking for any new versions. Well, I guess I would sure like a fix for the Tranzeo/MT problem. Not the MT patch, but a proper fix from Tranzeo. And for Christmas I want a firmware for the Tranzeo AP's that doesn't lock up! Merry Christmas all! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Disconnects was: tranzeo's web site?
I agree. It would have been best if Tranzeo and Mikrotik had simply picked up the phone and actually talked to one another about the problem as opposed to having clients of both companies sending their complaints to these lists before anyone would find a solution. Whatever led to the issues we should all be grateful that Mikrotik did solve the problem at least. Maybe representatives from both companies will take this as a learning experience and be more proactive in the future about finding problems which effect both of their customers. Maybe this will stop finger pointing and delayed solutionns becoming part of the topics of the day in industry list servers. Scriv On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Might be a difference of reading the RFCs. I.e. the RFCs are not clear enough as two people may be able to form their own interpretation too. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Tom DeReggi wrote: I'm not sure that it was confirmed a Tranzeo issue. Tranzeo was however very helpful to define the cause. And Mikrotik did fix the problem. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo Disconnects was: tranzeo's web site? Mikrotik sent out a very public announcement that they had fully researched the issues with Tranzeo client radios staying connected to Mikrotik APs. As a courtesy to their customers who use Tranzeo clients Mikrotik wrote a code modification into their AP code which could be used to enable more reliable connections with Trnazeo radios. Mikrotik stated that the trouble was that Tranzeo radios were not following the RFCs. Tranzeo would apparently not address the issue. The fact that Mikrotik did create a solution to an apparent Tranzeo problem should not lead anyone to assume that this was a Mikrotik problem at all. I never saw any piblic response from Tranzeo relating to this issue. Scriv On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Thanks for clarifying that. I have read time and time again the devices would reboot (power cycle, not just reassociate!) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: But they didn't reboot. It was simply a disconnect reconnect. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site? Tranzeo followed the RFC by rebooting with whatever frame it was sent, as I recall. On 12/24/08, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: As it was explained to me, the problem was the exact opposite of what you've stated. Tranzeo did something that's NON standards based and MT finally created a work around. Who knows... Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site? Marlon, I thought the Tranzeo/MT problem was a Mikrotik issue, fixed by their update. (Tranzeo did a work-around, but it wasn't their bug) Or is there some other problem? Oh, www.tranzeo.com is working for me, now. And Merry Christmas to you, too! On Dec 21, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Glad it's not just me! grin Nothing particular right now. I was just checking for any new versions. Well, I guess I would sure like a fix for the Tranzeo/MT problem. Not the MT patch, but a proper fix from Tranzeo. And for Christmas I want a firmware for the Tranzeo AP's that doesn't lock up! Merry Christmas all! marlon
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Disconnects was: tranzeo's web site?
We can dream... John Scrivner wrote: I agree. It would have been best if Tranzeo and Mikrotik had simply picked up the phone and actually talked to one another about the problem as opposed to having clients of both companies sending their complaints to these lists before anyone would find a solution. Whatever led to the issues we should all be grateful that Mikrotik did solve the problem at least. Maybe representatives from both companies will take this as a learning experience and be more proactive in the future about finding problems which effect both of their customers. Maybe this will stop finger pointing and delayed solutionns becoming part of the topics of the day in industry list servers. Scriv On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Might be a difference of reading the RFCs. I.e. the RFCs are not clear enough as two people may be able to form their own interpretation too. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Tom DeReggi wrote: I'm not sure that it was confirmed a Tranzeo issue. Tranzeo was however very helpful to define the cause. And Mikrotik did fix the problem. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" j...@scrivner.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo Disconnects was: tranzeo's web site? Mikrotik sent out a very public announcement that they had fully researched the issues with Tranzeo client radios staying connected to Mikrotik APs. As a courtesy to their customers who use Tranzeo clients Mikrotik wrote a code modification into their AP code which could be used to enable more reliable connections with Trnazeo radios. Mikrotik stated that the trouble was that Tranzeo radios were not following the RFCs. Tranzeo would apparently not address the issue. The fact that Mikrotik did create a solution to an apparent Tranzeo problem should not lead anyone to assume that this was a Mikrotik problem at all. I never saw any piblic response from Tranzeo relating to this issue. Scriv On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Thanks for clarifying that. I have read time and time again the devices would reboot (power cycle, not just reassociate!) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: But they didn't reboot. It was simply a disconnect reconnect. marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site? Tranzeo followed the RFC by rebooting with whatever frame it was sent, as I recall. On 12/24/08, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: As it was explained to me, the problem was the exact opposite of what you've stated. Tranzeo did something that's NON standards based and MT finally created a work around. Who knows... Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "John Valenti" vale...@lir.msu.edu To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site? Marlon, I thought the Tranzeo/MT problem was a Mikrotik issue, fixed by their update. (Tranzeo did a work-around, but it wasn't their bug) Or is there some other problem? Oh, www.tranzeo.com is working for me, now. And Merry Christmas to you, too! On Dec 21, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Disconnects was: tranzeo's web site?
The hopes and wishes world... On 12/26/08, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: We can dream... John Scrivner wrote: I agree. It would have been best if Tranzeo and Mikrotik had simply picked up the phone and actually talked to one another about the problem as opposed to having clients of both companies sending their complaints to these lists before anyone would find a solution. Whatever led to the issues we should all be grateful that Mikrotik did solve the problem at least. Maybe representatives from both companies will take this as a learning experience and be more proactive in the future about finding problems which effect both of their customers. Maybe this will stop finger pointing and delayed solutionns becoming part of the topics of the day in industry list servers. Scriv On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Might be a difference of reading the RFCs. I.e. the RFCs are not clear enough as two people may be able to form their own interpretation too. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Tom DeReggi wrote: I'm not sure that it was confirmed a Tranzeo issue. Tranzeo was however very helpful to define the cause. And Mikrotik did fix the problem. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo Disconnects was: tranzeo's web site? Mikrotik sent out a very public announcement that they had fully researched the issues with Tranzeo client radios staying connected to Mikrotik APs. As a courtesy to their customers who use Tranzeo clients Mikrotik wrote a code modification into their AP code which could be used to enable more reliable connections with Trnazeo radios. Mikrotik stated that the trouble was that Tranzeo radios were not following the RFCs. Tranzeo would apparently not address the issue. The fact that Mikrotik did create a solution to an apparent Tranzeo problem should not lead anyone to assume that this was a Mikrotik problem at all. I never saw any piblic response from Tranzeo relating to this issue. Scriv On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Thanks for clarifying that. I have read time and time again the devices would reboot (power cycle, not just reassociate!) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: But they didn't reboot. It was simply a disconnect reconnect. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site? Tranzeo followed the RFC by rebooting with whatever frame it was sent, as I recall. On 12/24/08, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: As it was explained to me, the problem was the exact opposite of what you've stated. Tranzeo did something that's NON standards based and MT finally created a work around. Who knows... Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site? Marlon, I thought the Tranzeo/MT problem was a Mikrotik issue, fixed by their update. (Tranzeo did a work-around, but it wasn't their bug) Or is there some other problem? Oh, www.tranzeo.com is working for me, now. And Merry Christmas to you, too! On Dec 21, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Glad it's not just me! grin Nothing particular right now. I was just checking for any new versions. Well, I guess I would sure like a fix for the Tranzeo/MT problem. Not the MT patch, but a proper fix from Tranzeo. And for Christmas I want a firmware for the Tranzeo AP's that doesn't lock up! Merry Christmas all! marlon
