Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
Hi Edward, I think this is what you may be looking for: On the AU: 5 - Advanced Configuration 4 - Bridge Parameters 4 - Broadcast/Multicast Relaying AND 5 - Unicast Relaying Adam From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Edward Spoon Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU Yes, I am trying to get Mikrotiks behind 2 different SU's associated to the same AP to talk to each other. Unicast didn't do it and I can't find any MAC forwarding settings. Will see if renumbering is an option and try that next. Thanks On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Oh... sorry I thought we were talking about one SU talking to the other while both were connected to the same AU. Yeah, I don't know of anyway to make an SU talk to an SU direct. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 1/20/14, 3:22 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: At one point they had a cell extender that acted as a repeater, but that was an AU and SU merged into a single NEMA box. I know of no way to connect SU to SU directly without an AU in the middle. The caveat is that I was never an engineer, so maybe there was some super secret agent setting for which I had no knowledge. I doubt it though, otherwise they'd no have built the extender. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 tel:727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU H, I thought I recalled that you could turn that off? Or maybe it was you have to assign a different subnet IP to each device so they talk through the head router. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 1/20/14, 3:15 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Edward, from my Alvarion days, I know of no way to enable CPE to CPE connection. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 tel:727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 1/20/14, 2:10 PM, Edward Spoon wrote: Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on the same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all? Thanks ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 2:10 PM, Edward Spoon wrote: Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on the same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all? Thanks ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
H, I thought I recalled that you could turn that off? Or maybe it was you have to assign a different subnet IP to each device so they talk through the head router. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 3:15 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Edward, from my Alvarion days, I know of no way to enable CPE to CPE connection. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 2:10 PM, Edward Spoon wrote: Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on the same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all? Thanks ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
At one point they had a cell extender that acted as a repeater, but that was an AU and SU merged into a single NEMA box. I know of no way to connect SU to SU directly without an AU in the middle. The caveat is that I was never an engineer, so maybe there was some super secret agent setting for which I had no knowledge. I doubt it though, otherwise they'd no have built the extender. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU H, I thought I recalled that you could turn that off? Or maybe it was you have to assign a different subnet IP to each device so they talk through the head router. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 3:15 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Edward, from my Alvarion days, I know of no way to enable CPE to CPE connection. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 2:10 PM, Edward Spoon wrote: Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on the same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all? Thanks ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
Oh... sorry I thought we were talking about one SU talking to the other while both were connected to the same AU. Yeah, I don't know of anyway to make an SU talk to an SU direct. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 3:22 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: At one point they had a cell extender that acted as a repeater, but that was an AU and SU merged into a single NEMA box. I know of no way to connect SU to SU directly without an AU in the middle. The caveat is that I was never an engineer, so maybe there was some super secret agent setting for which I had no knowledge. I doubt it though, otherwise they'd no have built the extender. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU H, I thought I recalled that you could turn that off? Or maybe it was you have to assign a different subnet IP to each device so they talk through the head router. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 3:15 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Edward, from my Alvarion days, I know of no way to enable CPE to CPE connection. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 2:10 PM, Edward Spoon wrote: Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on the same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all? Thanks ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
Yes, that can be done and commonly was. I do not recall the exact setting. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU Oh... sorry I thought we were talking about one SU talking to the other while both were connected to the same AU. Yeah, I don't know of anyway to make an SU talk to an SU direct. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 3:22 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: At one point they had a cell extender that acted as a repeater, but that was an AU and SU merged into a single NEMA box. I know of no way to connect SU to SU directly without an AU in the middle. The caveat is that I was never an engineer, so maybe there was some super secret agent setting for which I had no knowledge. I doubt it though, otherwise they'd no have built the extender. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU H, I thought I recalled that you could turn that off? Or maybe it was you have to assign a different subnet IP to each device so they talk through the head router. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 3:15 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Edward, from my Alvarion days, I know of no way to enable CPE to CPE connection. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 2:10 PM, Edward Spoon wrote: Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on the same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all? Thanks ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless * * ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. * * ** * * ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. * * ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
Hey Patrick Its called MAC forwarding Good to hear from you Alex Aleksander Freylekhman Sales Director, North America Axxcelera Broadband Wireless a Moseley Company P: (804) 864-4125 M: (440) 220-2192 afreylekh...@axxcelera.com www.axxcelera.com On Jan 20, 2014 3:49 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Yes, that can be done and commonly was. I do not recall the exact setting. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU Oh... sorry I thought we were talking about one SU talking to the other while both were connected to the same AU. Yeah, I don't know of anyway to make an SU talk to an SU direct. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 3:22 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: At one point they had a cell extender that acted as a repeater, but that was an AU and SU merged into a single NEMA box. I know of no way to connect SU to SU directly without an AU in the middle. The caveat is that I was never an engineer, so maybe there was some super secret agent setting for which I had no knowledge. I doubt it though, otherwise they'd no have built the extender. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU H, I thought I recalled that you could turn that off? Or maybe it was you have to assign a different subnet IP to each device so they talk through the head router. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 3:15 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Edward, from my Alvarion days, I know of no way to enable CPE to CPE connection. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 2:10 PM, Edward Spoon wrote: Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on the same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all? Thanks ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless * * ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. * * ** * * ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. * * ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
Yes, I am trying to get Mikrotiks behind 2 different SU's associated to the same AP to talk to each other. Unicast didn't do it and I can't find any MAC forwarding settings. Will see if renumbering is an option and try that next. Thanks On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: Oh... sorry I thought we were talking about one SU talking to the other while both were connected to the same AU. Yeah, I don't know of anyway to make an SU talk to an SU direct. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 3:22 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: At one point they had a cell extender that acted as a repeater, but that was an AU and SU merged into a single NEMA box. I know of no way to connect SU to SU directly without an AU in the middle. The caveat is that I was never an engineer, so maybe there was some super secret agent setting for which I had no knowledge. I doubt it though, otherwise they'd no have built the extender. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU H, I thought I recalled that you could turn that off? Or maybe it was you have to assign a different subnet IP to each device so they talk through the head router. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 3:15 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Edward, from my Alvarion days, I know of no way to enable CPE to CPE connection. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 2:10 PM, Edward Spoon wrote: Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on the same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all? Thanks ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Demise?
Didn't they partner with Tranzeo. Seems like a bad move on both their parts. Phil On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:39 PM, lakeland lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/60986.php Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Demise?
You are likely thinking of Aperto - it just happened to be that the main contact person here for Alvarion moved to them, and I believe recently moved back to Alvarion, so it is possible to have confused the two. If anyone is needs Alvarion-compatible WiMAX CPE get in touch with me off-line: we can supply under reasonable MOQ. Daniel Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote .. Didn't they partner with Tranzeo. Seems like a bad move on both their parts. Phil On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:39 PM, lakeland lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/60986.php Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion B100 802.1Q-IN-Q
I have sent you an offlist post Carlos. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Alcantar Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion B100 802.1Q-IN-Q Anyone doing 802.1q-in-q through alvarion B100 radio's? There data sheets lack detail and there website seem to not have any #'s to call to talk to a pre sales. PS. Sorry for any cross posting on other mailing list... Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(100). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(187). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(187). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion firmware v6.5 question
Alva who? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eduardo Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion firmware v6.5 question Is someone already using v6.5 in BreezeAcess VL radios? I'm looking for some input about its performance. Any comments? Thanks, Eduardo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion firmware v6.5 question
Trying this again, it did not post the first time. rOn 5/25/2011 10:55, Eduardo wrote: Is someone already using v6.5 in BreezeAcess VL radios? I'm looking for some input about its performance. I've got a few customers running it. From what they tell me there is no difference in performance between it and 6.0.21. The only change in the software affects the upgrade keys, so if you need to buy an upgrade key, you'll need 6.5.7 going forward. You can downgrade, but the 6.5.7 code will modify the downgraded code to accept the new software license keys. This way if you need 6.0.21 or 5.5x on the network you can still use the new license features. -- *Bryan Fields* *APAC Imports LLC* Phone: 800-721-6502 Fax: 727-493-1511 http://apacimports.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion firmware v6.5 question
On 5/25/2011 10:55, Eduardo wrote: Is someone already using v6.5 in BreezeAcess VL radios? I'm looking for some input about its performance. I've got a few customers running it. From what they tell me there is no difference in performance between it and 6.0.21. The only change in the software affects the upgrade keys, so if you need to buy an upgrade key, you'll need 6.5.7 going forward. You can downgrade, but the 6.5.7 code will modify the downgraded code to accept the new software license keys. -- *Bryan Fields* *APAC Imports LLC* Phone: 800-721-6502 Fax: 727-493-1511 http://apacimports.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.
Speed, No. No difference Just the amount of SU's that are allowed to connect. Thanks, Cameron Kilton Project Manager Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com c...@midcoast.com (207) 594-8277 x 108 On 5/17/2011 2:47 PM, Eduardo wrote: Is there some difference between an AUS and an AU? I mean in terms of the speed. Eduardo - Original Message - *From:* Cameron Kilton mailto:c...@midcoast.com *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:29 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] alvarion question. Rev A units topped out around 30mbit net Reb B units around 32 mbit net but added Wireless Link Prioritization (good for VoIP) Rev C units around 35mbit net throughput. I have dozens of these in the air, super reliable. 3M SU will get your 3 down and 2 up 6M SU will get you 6 down 4 up. 24M SU will get you around 15 down and 10 up (cross your fingers for high modulation 54M SU, need great modulation you can see the full net throughput but reality is around 30mbit net in a point to point situation. Thanks, Cameron On 5/17/2011 1:17 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: I think you're talking about breezenet era equipment (hopper) at these speeds. The VL lines were faster. mc On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Gary Evans wirel...@kosinet.com mailto:wirel...@kosinet.com mailto:wirel...@kosinet.com wrote: They're supposed to handle 3 meg. Reality is closer to 2 meg. Good / reliable stuff though. -Gary- Good Afternoon, I have a question about an Alvarion BreezeAccess VL/AU-SA. Does anyone know if there is a way to find out how much bandwidth an access point can manage? Thanks, --Eric Roth Technology Specialist Webjogger Internet Services (845) 757-4000 tel:%28845%29%20757-4000 www.webjogger.net http://www.webjogger.net http://www.webjogger.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.
And the type of radios allowed to connect. AUS's will not allow connections from the 24 or 54 radios, even at lower rates. The AUS's can be upgraded to the full AU's with a license key. They are hardware wise identical. * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 7:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] alvarion question. Speed, No. No difference Just the amount of SU's that are allowed to connect. Thanks, Cameron Kilton Project Manager Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com c...@midcoast.com (207) 594-8277 x 108 On 5/17/2011 2:47 PM, Eduardo wrote: Is there some difference between an AUS and an AU? I mean in terms of the speed. Eduardo - Original Message - *From:* Cameron Kilton mailto:c...@midcoast.com *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:29 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] alvarion question. Rev A units topped out around 30mbit net Reb B units around 32 mbit net but added Wireless Link Prioritization (good for VoIP) Rev C units around 35mbit net throughput. I have dozens of these in the air, super reliable. 3M SU will get your 3 down and 2 up 6M SU will get you 6 down 4 up. 24M SU will get you around 15 down and 10 up (cross your fingers for high modulation 54M SU, need great modulation you can see the full net throughput but reality is around 30mbit net in a point to point situation. Thanks, Cameron On 5/17/2011 1:17 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: I think you're talking about breezenet era equipment (hopper) at these speeds. The VL lines were faster. mc On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Gary Evans wirel...@kosinet.com mailto:wirel...@kosinet.com mailto:wirel...@kosinet.com wrote: They're supposed to handle 3 meg. Reality is closer to 2 meg. Good / reliable stuff though. -Gary- Good Afternoon, I have a question about an Alvarion BreezeAccess VL/AU-SA. Does anyone know if there is a way to find out how much bandwidth an access point can manage? Thanks, --Eric Roth Technology Specialist Webjogger Internet Services (845) 757-4000 tel:%28845%29%20757-4000 www.webjogger.net http://www.webjogger.net http://www.webjogger.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.
I just looked, and we still have a few customers running on breezenet systems Marco On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Larry A Weidig lwei...@excel.net wrote: And the type of radios allowed to connect. AUS's will not allow connections from the 24 or 54 radios, even at lower rates. The AUS's can be upgraded to the full AU's with a license key. They are hardware wise identical. * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 7:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] alvarion question. Speed, No. No difference Just the amount of SU's that are allowed to connect. Thanks, Cameron Kilton Project Manager Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com c...@midcoast.com (207) 594-8277 x 108 On 5/17/2011 2:47 PM, Eduardo wrote: Is there some difference between an AUS and an AU? I mean in terms of the speed. Eduardo - Original Message - *From:* Cameron Kilton mailto:c...@midcoast.com *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:29 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] alvarion question. Rev A units topped out around 30mbit net Reb B units around 32 mbit net but added Wireless Link Prioritization (good for VoIP) Rev C units around 35mbit net throughput. I have dozens of these in the air, super reliable. 3M SU will get your 3 down and 2 up 6M SU will get you 6 down 4 up. 24M SU will get you around 15 down and 10 up (cross your fingers for high modulation 54M SU, need great modulation you can see the full net throughput but reality is around 30mbit net in a point to point situation. Thanks, Cameron On 5/17/2011 1:17 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: I think you're talking about breezenet era equipment (hopper) at these speeds. The VL lines were faster. mc On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Gary Evans wirel...@kosinet.com mailto:wirel...@kosinet.com mailto:wirel...@kosinet.com wrote: They're supposed to handle 3 meg. Reality is closer to 2 meg. Good / reliable stuff though. -Gary- Good Afternoon, I have a question about an Alvarion BreezeAccess VL/AU-SA. Does anyone know if there is a way to find out how much bandwidth an access point can manage? Thanks, --Eric Roth Technology Specialist Webjogger Internet Services (845) 757-4000 tel:%28845%29%20757-4000 www.webjogger.net http://www.webjogger.net http://www.webjogger.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today
Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.
I think you're talking about breezenet era equipment (hopper) at these speeds. The VL lines were faster. mc On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Gary Evans wirel...@kosinet.com wrote: They're supposed to handle 3 meg. Reality is closer to 2 meg. Good / reliable stuff though. -Gary- Good Afternoon, I have a question about an Alvarion BreezeAccess VL/AU-SA. Does anyone know if there is a way to find out how much bandwidth an access point can manage? Thanks, --Eric Roth Technology Specialist Webjogger Internet Services (845) 757-4000 www.webjogger.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.
Rev A units topped out around 30mbit net Reb B units around 32 mbit net but added Wireless Link Prioritization (good for VoIP) Rev C units around 35mbit net throughput. I have dozens of these in the air, super reliable. 3M SU will get your 3 down and 2 up 6M SU will get you 6 down 4 up. 24M SU will get you around 15 down and 10 up (cross your fingers for high modulation 54M SU, need great modulation you can see the full net throughput but reality is around 30mbit net in a point to point situation. Thanks, Cameron On 5/17/2011 1:17 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: I think you're talking about breezenet era equipment (hopper) at these speeds. The VL lines were faster. mc On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Gary Evans wirel...@kosinet.com mailto:wirel...@kosinet.com wrote: They're supposed to handle 3 meg. Reality is closer to 2 meg. Good / reliable stuff though. -Gary- Good Afternoon, I have a question about an Alvarion BreezeAccess VL/AU-SA. Does anyone know if there is a way to find out how much bandwidth an access point can manage? Thanks, --Eric Roth Technology Specialist Webjogger Internet Services (845) 757-4000 tel:%28845%29%20757-4000 www.webjogger.net http://www.webjogger.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.
Is there some difference between an AUS and an AU? I mean in terms of the speed. Eduardo - Original Message - From: Cameron Kilton To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] alvarion question. Rev A units topped out around 30mbit net Reb B units around 32 mbit net but added Wireless Link Prioritization (good for VoIP) Rev C units around 35mbit net throughput. I have dozens of these in the air, super reliable. 3M SU will get your 3 down and 2 up 6M SU will get you 6 down 4 up. 24M SU will get you around 15 down and 10 up (cross your fingers for high modulation 54M SU, need great modulation you can see the full net throughput but reality is around 30mbit net in a point to point situation. Thanks, Cameron On 5/17/2011 1:17 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: I think you're talking about breezenet era equipment (hopper) at these speeds. The VL lines were faster. mc On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Gary Evans wirel...@kosinet.com mailto:wirel...@kosinet.com wrote: They're supposed to handle 3 meg. Reality is closer to 2 meg. Good / reliable stuff though. -Gary- Good Afternoon, I have a question about an Alvarion BreezeAccess VL/AU-SA. Does anyone know if there is a way to find out how much bandwidth an access point can manage? Thanks, --Eric Roth Technology Specialist Webjogger Internet Services (845) 757-4000 tel:%28845%29%20757-4000 www.webjogger.net http://www.webjogger.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.
On 16 May 2011 14:05, Eric Roth er...@webjogger.net wrote: Good Afternoon, I have a question about an Alvarion BreezeAccess VL/AU-SA. Does anyone know if there is a way to find out how much bandwidth an access point can manage? 1. It depends. 2. Not very much. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.
They're supposed to handle 3 meg. Reality is closer to 2 meg. Good / reliable stuff though. -Gary- Good Afternoon, I have a question about an Alvarion BreezeAccess VL/AU-SA. Does anyone know if there is a way to find out how much bandwidth an access point can manage? Thanks, --Eric Roth Technology Specialist Webjogger Internet Services (845) 757-4000 www.webjogger.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.
On 5/16/2011 22:36, Gary Evans wrote: They're supposed to handle 3 meg. Reality is closer to 2 meg. Good / reliable stuff though. This is the GFSK radios. VL radios can do 38-42mbit/s depending on hardware revision and cell distance. I've always made it a point to use PtP radios if a single customer needs more than 7-10mbit. -- *Bryan Fields* *APAC Imports LLC* 305-249-1100 http://apacimports.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alvarion question.
Oops, sorry. Missed the VL part. On 5/16/2011 22:36, Gary Evans wrote: They're supposed to handle 3 meg. Reality is closer to 2 meg. Good / reliable stuff though. This is the GFSK radios. VL radios can do 38-42mbit/s depending on hardware revision and cell distance. I've always made it a point to use PtP radios if a single customer needs more than 7-10mbit. -- *Bryan Fields* *APAC Imports LLC* 305-249-1100 http://apacimports.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] alvarion vl grounding
We have looked as well, but with the VL's using the 55VDC there does not seem to be anything else available. Would possibly be interested in purchasing with you direct if that will help our pricing more. Hit me offline if you want to discuss that as it is probably not list appropriate. Thanks! * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] alvarion vl grounding We have been using Transtector ALPU-ALVR units, they work great, but the price on these units keeps climbing higher and higher it seems. They are at almost $200/unit with tessco. Transtector directly gave me a better price for a quantity purchase, but before I move forward with that, I would like to know if anybody is using another product with good success. -- Thanks, Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users
A have to say, some pf those past comments are a bit unfair, and not relevent to the question asked. Maybe because Patrick is now at Aperto, and not here to defend Alvarion? :-) We dont deploy Alvarion, but we have used it in some cases. It simply is not cost justified for us, since how we deploy. We generally have a very low CPE count per AP, and Alvarion has a heavy AP price, and we serve mostly Multi-tenant buildings, requiring high capacity CPE, and Alvarion charges more for allowing full throughput both at the AP and CPE. Licensing cost for full featured CPE/AP is expensive, no doubt. We can talk all day about why it might not be cost justified. Or maybe how it lacks on-the-fly flexibilty being single pol, single band. But saying that the gear does not perform, (or worse in noise compared to products of similar class) simply is not true. Alvarion was one of the first that actually developed firmware optimized for quality VOIP. Their adaptive modulation routines work well. There ability to scan at CPE for noise remotely is cool. There insightfulness to have exterior LED represent SNR instead of RSSI was ingenious. They have super clean RF transmitters/receivers, because they are intentionally single band radios. It might even have better embedded filters? Alvarion uses the same Atheros OFDM RF Chip as any other Atheros radio, how in the world can one justify saying that Alvarion has worse RF performance in noise? It all boils down to SNR for everybody. Alvarion does however have enhancements, to make it one better than gear that uses just a basic Atheros chip. And Alvarion is designed to enable operators to select antennas of choice to enable full allowable power within the band. Many successful large scale residential projects are based on Alvarion VL, because it can scale with large CPE relatively well. My point here is it important to compare apples to apples. Sure, Canopy, Trango, and even Proxim DSSS systems with Circular can handle noise much much better than OFDM and QAM modulation type gear can. Its reasons why we still use Trango in many of our noisy PtMP locations. But comparing Alvarion VL to other OFDM products, I believe Alvarion compares very well. I'd argue that Alvarion is probably one of the best perfoming radios still based on CDMA/CA, because of their proprietary MAC. Although I agree there are advantages to Polling which Is why we primarilly use polling systems, there are many advantages to CDMA/CA also, and it should not be discounted because of that, unless its determined a Polling system is actually needed for the application. Saying Alvarion VL has nothing much over WIFI, is a croc, and simply not true. We haven't even discussed the rock solid hardware, such as thick heatsink cases, etc. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users Agreed. A few years ago we tried (very hard) to deploy Alvarion VL. Crashed and burned to the point we were tarnishing our reputation with a valued client before we threw in the towel. No mechanism to deal with noise AT ALL. For rural or third world deployments I bet it does great, but for an unfriendly RF environment Alvarion VL is not a good fit IMO. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users On 24 April 2010 19:55, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Any Alvarion VL users out there? We're inheriting several towers, and curious about performance -- in particular with voice and contention Poor. No RADIUS auth for MAC, no polling (contention based), no transmit sync. The only real benefit over WiFi is the support for variable frame sizes in later firmware/hardware releases. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users
Having been a VL user since 2003, I can say it performs well in noisy enviorments with nothing more than 90 degree sectors, noisy areas with 120's, not so much. It performs amazing in rural applications with little noise. Also to repeat what Tom said, they are extremely clean and efficient with spectrum. However, they are very expensive and I wish they had GPS sync :( They didn't release GPC sync with there 900mhz VL line either which was a shame as well. Thanks, Cameron Kilton Project Manager Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com c...@midcoast.com (207) 594-8277 x 108 On 4/26/2010 12:03 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: A have to say, some pf those past comments are a bit unfair, and not relevent to the question asked. Maybe because Patrick is now at Aperto, and not here to defend Alvarion? :-) We dont deploy Alvarion, but we have used it in some cases. It simply is not cost justified for us, since how we deploy. We generally have a very low CPE count per AP, and Alvarion has a heavy AP price, and we serve mostly Multi-tenant buildings, requiring high capacity CPE, and Alvarion charges more for allowing full throughput both at the AP and CPE. Licensing cost for full featured CPE/AP is expensive, no doubt. We can talk all day about why it might not be cost justified. Or maybe how it lacks on-the-fly flexibilty being single pol, single band. But saying that the gear does not perform, (or worse in noise compared to products of similar class) simply is not true. Alvarion was one of the first that actually developed firmware optimized for quality VOIP. Their adaptive modulation routines work well. There ability to scan at CPE for noise remotely is cool. There insightfulness to have exterior LED represent SNR instead of RSSI was ingenious. They have super clean RF transmitters/receivers, because they are intentionally single band radios. It might even have better embedded filters? Alvarion uses the same Atheros OFDM RF Chip as any other Atheros radio, how in the world can one justify saying that Alvarion has worse RF performance in noise? It all boils down to SNR for everybody. Alvarion does however have enhancements, to make it one better than gear that uses just a basic Atheros chip. And Alvarion is designed to enable operators to select antennas of choice to enable full allowable power within the band. Many successful large scale residential projects are based on Alvarion VL, because it can scale with large CPE relatively well. My point here is it important to compare apples to apples. Sure, Canopy, Trango, and even Proxim DSSS systems with Circular can handle noise much much better than OFDM and QAM modulation type gear can. Its reasons why we still use Trango in many of our noisy PtMP locations. But comparing Alvarion VL to other OFDM products, I believe Alvarion compares very well. I'd argue that Alvarion is probably one of the best perfoming radios still based on CDMA/CA, because of their proprietary MAC. Although I agree there are advantages to Polling which Is why we primarilly use polling systems, there are many advantages to CDMA/CA also, and it should not be discounted because of that, unless its determined a Polling system is actually needed for the application. Saying Alvarion VL has nothing much over WIFI, is a croc, and simply not true. We haven't even discussed the rock solid hardware, such as thick heatsink cases, etc. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Beltonb...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users Agreed. A few years ago we tried (very hard) to deploy Alvarion VL. Crashed and burned to the point we were tarnishing our reputation with a valued client before we threw in the towel. No mechanism to deal with noise AT ALL. For rural or third world deployments I bet it does great, but for an unfriendly RF environment Alvarion VL is not a good fit IMO. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users On 24 April 2010 19:55, Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com wrote: Any Alvarion VL users out there? We're inheriting several towers, and curious about performance -- in particular with voice and contention Poor. No RADIUS auth for MAC, no polling (contention based), no transmit sync. The only real benefit over WiFi is the support for variable frame sizes in later firmware/hardware releases. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users
We've been using VL since it came out. I would also recommend the 5.5.26 firmware for vl 5.8ghz. We routinely install it on overlapping or adjacent channels on the same tower. (I.e. 5830 for a backhaul, 5820 for a sector 40 feet away). If you have revA gear, change it to rev C or better and sell or reuse the revA gear for a rural low volume backhaul. In revB and newer hardware, it has some things 5ghz wifi stuff doesn't. Packet aggregation of up to 4000+ byte radio packets is possible with rev c or newer. This lets you do very high PPS rates for small packets that regular wifi gear won't do. The modulation adaption algorithm is completely adjustable. The retries, etc.. are all fully adjustable. Spectrum analyzer is very nice. You have adjustable noise floor for use in high interference areas. You also have ATPC which I think all gear should have. It's got something called drap for prioritizing voice calls, but I can't explain it. Every feature is highly tweakable. It's completely programmable with SNMP. We have a script to program customer radios before they go out the door with installers. After it's installed, everything is monitorable with SNMP, unlike MT, ubnt, etc.. It has a nice 500+ page pdf manual for the software and everything is well explained, unlike MT/UBNT. The software is reliable; I have links with uptimes over a year. It's available in US certified 5.4. They have quality integrated MTI antennas. The major downfall of VL is the CPE are speed limited, requiring an upgrade key purchase to get full speed. For this reason, we are upgrading some sectors to UBNT-M5 for more customer speed. We'll reuse the VL radios elsewhere as we are spoiled by them. A minor downfall is their support ticketing system only uses IE, but we don't deal with their support very much. On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 10:15:44AM -0400, can...@believewireless.net wrote: VL has been a love/hate for us. When it works, it works great. However, it has several serious flaws. It has the same associate/dis-associate issue seen with other WDS implementations. If a weak client continues to associate/dis-associate, packet loss to all radios on the sector happens and can even shut down the AP for long periods of time. No easy way to see on the AP the number of times this happens either. SNR is completely worthless for determining anything. Some of our worst channels are ones where clients show fantastic SNR. And, as said before, noise is a killer. It's very difficult to co-locate APs on the same tower even with 20 MHz of separation. Now that Canopy 430 is out, we'll be ditching Alvarion and moving to Canopy. Canopy has been the best product we have used and the software continues to mature and while bug fixes are slow to be released, they typically are addresses. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users
I've had VL for a number of years now. Only 7 subs or so on it. Over all I'd say the product is great. Except for one thing. At random times, usually 8am monday morn but others as well, it'll just quit passing traffic. I have 2 ap's at the same tower and they'll both go down at the same time. Here's the strange part. You can log into the cpe units tied to those towers. The customer's just can't get data through the AP. The customer can ping the ap, just not past the ap. Wait an hour and it'll be fine again. Might be ok for a week or a day or a month. The only cure is to wait or power cycle (reboot won't fix it). No firmware has fixed it. shrug marlon - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users A have to say, some pf those past comments are a bit unfair, and not relevent to the question asked. Maybe because Patrick is now at Aperto, and not here to defend Alvarion? :-) We dont deploy Alvarion, but we have used it in some cases. It simply is not cost justified for us, since how we deploy. We generally have a very low CPE count per AP, and Alvarion has a heavy AP price, and we serve mostly Multi-tenant buildings, requiring high capacity CPE, and Alvarion charges more for allowing full throughput both at the AP and CPE. Licensing cost for full featured CPE/AP is expensive, no doubt. We can talk all day about why it might not be cost justified. Or maybe how it lacks on-the-fly flexibilty being single pol, single band. But saying that the gear does not perform, (or worse in noise compared to products of similar class) simply is not true. Alvarion was one of the first that actually developed firmware optimized for quality VOIP. Their adaptive modulation routines work well. There ability to scan at CPE for noise remotely is cool. There insightfulness to have exterior LED represent SNR instead of RSSI was ingenious. They have super clean RF transmitters/receivers, because they are intentionally single band radios. It might even have better embedded filters? Alvarion uses the same Atheros OFDM RF Chip as any other Atheros radio, how in the world can one justify saying that Alvarion has worse RF performance in noise? It all boils down to SNR for everybody. Alvarion does however have enhancements, to make it one better than gear that uses just a basic Atheros chip. And Alvarion is designed to enable operators to select antennas of choice to enable full allowable power within the band. Many successful large scale residential projects are based on Alvarion VL, because it can scale with large CPE relatively well. My point here is it important to compare apples to apples. Sure, Canopy, Trango, and even Proxim DSSS systems with Circular can handle noise much much better than OFDM and QAM modulation type gear can. Its reasons why we still use Trango in many of our noisy PtMP locations. But comparing Alvarion VL to other OFDM products, I believe Alvarion compares very well. I'd argue that Alvarion is probably one of the best perfoming radios still based on CDMA/CA, because of their proprietary MAC. Although I agree there are advantages to Polling which Is why we primarilly use polling systems, there are many advantages to CDMA/CA also, and it should not be discounted because of that, unless its determined a Polling system is actually needed for the application. Saying Alvarion VL has nothing much over WIFI, is a croc, and simply not true. We haven't even discussed the rock solid hardware, such as thick heatsink cases, etc. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users Agreed. A few years ago we tried (very hard) to deploy Alvarion VL. Crashed and burned to the point we were tarnishing our reputation with a valued client before we threw in the towel. No mechanism to deal with noise AT ALL. For rural or third world deployments I bet it does great, but for an unfriendly RF environment Alvarion VL is not a good fit IMO. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users On 24 April 2010 19:55, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Any Alvarion VL users out there? We're inheriting several towers, and curious about performance -- in particular with voice and contention Poor. No RADIUS auth for MAC, no polling (contention based), no transmit sync. The only real benefit over WiFi is the support for variable frame sizes in later firmware/hardware releases
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users
So what sort of pps ratio are you getting on VL? Are you selling voice over multipoint? How many *lines* are you putting out on a CPE and supporting reliably -- 5? 10? 20? Also, could you send me that 500+ page pdf? Can't seem to find it anywhere on Alvarion's site -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 12:37 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users We've been using VL since it came out. I would also recommend the 5.5.26 firmware for vl 5.8ghz. We routinely install it on overlapping or adjacent channels on the same tower. (I.e. 5830 for a backhaul, 5820 for a sector 40 feet away). If you have revA gear, change it to rev C or better and sell or reuse the revA gear for a rural low volume backhaul. In revB and newer hardware, it has some things 5ghz wifi stuff doesn't. Packet aggregation of up to 4000+ byte radio packets is possible with rev c or newer. This lets you do very high PPS rates for small packets that regular wifi gear won't do. The modulation adaption algorithm is completely adjustable. The retries, etc.. are all fully adjustable. Spectrum analyzer is very nice. You have adjustable noise floor for use in high interference areas. You also have ATPC which I think all gear should have. It's got something called drap for prioritizing voice calls, but I can't explain it. Every feature is highly tweakable. It's completely programmable with SNMP. We have a script to program customer radios before they go out the door with installers. After it's installed, everything is monitorable with SNMP, unlike MT, ubnt, etc.. It has a nice 500+ page pdf manual for the software and everything is well explained, unlike MT/UBNT. The software is reliable; I have links with uptimes over a year. It's available in US certified 5.4. They have quality integrated MTI antennas. The major downfall of VL is the CPE are speed limited, requiring an upgrade key purchase to get full speed. For this reason, we are upgrading some sectors to UBNT-M5 for more customer speed. We'll reuse the VL radios elsewhere as we are spoiled by them. A minor downfall is their support ticketing system only uses IE, but we don't deal with their support very much. On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 10:15:44AM -0400, can...@believewireless.net wrote: VL has been a love/hate for us. When it works, it works great. However, it has several serious flaws. It has the same associate/dis-associate issue seen with other WDS implementations. If a weak client continues to associate/dis-associate, packet loss to all radios on the sector happens and can even shut down the AP for long periods of time. No easy way to see on the AP the number of times this happens either. SNR is completely worthless for determining anything. Some of our worst channels are ones where clients show fantastic SNR. And, as said before, noise is a killer. It's very difficult to co-locate APs on the same tower even with 20 MHz of separation. Now that Canopy 430 is out, we'll be ditching Alvarion and moving to Canopy. Canopy has been the best product we have used and the software continues to mature and while bug fixes are slow to be released, they typically are addresses. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users
Hello Adam, Good information to know. Yes, our experience with VL was some time ago...well before 5.5.26 for sure! I can't believe I'm saying this, but we may have an application for a VL deployment in a desert at some point. We're looking for a PtMP system with AES256 and I'm pretty sure VL has it. Not sure if there are any other PtMP products out there with AES256, but if a vendor reads this and has such a critter feel free to send me information off list. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Kennedy Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 11:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users Hi Brad, Alvarion firmware 5.5.26 and above have some decent mechanisms to deal with noise and flooded RF environments. However, the clients need to have a decent receive level (roughly -65 or better) if the noise floor is higher than -90 in order to keep traffic flowing decently. There are a couple other mechanisms internally to the radio such as Noise Immunity controls and a few others. 5.5 and above is almost a requirement when running Alvarion VL equipment. Anything below 5.5 doesn't show noise floor or RSSI (they only show SNR, which is just weird). On 4/24/10 8:05 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Agreed. A few years ago we tried (very hard) to deploy Alvarion VL. Crashed and burned to the point we were tarnishing our reputation with a valued client before we threw in the towel. No mechanism to deal with noise AT ALL. For rural or third world deployments I bet it does great, but for an unfriendly RF environment Alvarion VL is not a good fit IMO. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users On 24 April 2010 19:55, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Any Alvarion VL users out there? We're inheriting several towers, and curious about performance -- in particular with voice and contention Poor. No RADIUS auth for MAC, no polling (contention based), no transmit sync. The only real benefit over WiFi is the support for variable frame sizes in later firmware/hardware releases. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Adam Kennedy Network Engineer Omnicity, Inc WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users
VL has been a love/hate for us. When it works, it works great. However, it has several serious flaws. It has the same associate/dis-associate issue seen with other WDS implementations. If a weak client continues to associate/dis-associate, packet loss to all radios on the sector happens and can even shut down the AP for long periods of time. No easy way to see on the AP the number of times this happens either. SNR is completely worthless for determining anything. Some of our worst channels are ones where clients show fantastic SNR. And, as said before, noise is a killer. It's very difficult to co-locate APs on the same tower even with 20 MHz of separation. Now that Canopy 430 is out, we'll be ditching Alvarion and moving to Canopy. Canopy has been the best product we have used and the software continues to mature and while bug fixes are slow to be released, they typically are addresses. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users
On 24 April 2010 19:55, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Any Alvarion VL users out there? Â We're inheriting several towers, and curious about performance -- in particular with voice and contention Poor. No RADIUS auth for MAC, no polling (contention based), no transmit sync. The only real benefit over WiFi is the support for variable frame sizes in later firmware/hardware releases. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users
Agreed. A few years ago we tried (very hard) to deploy Alvarion VL. Crashed and burned to the point we were tarnishing our reputation with a valued client before we threw in the towel. No mechanism to deal with noise AT ALL. For rural or third world deployments I bet it does great, but for an unfriendly RF environment Alvarion VL is not a good fit IMO. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users On 24 April 2010 19:55, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Any Alvarion VL users out there? Â We're inheriting several towers, and curious about performance -- in particular with voice and contention Poor. No RADIUS auth for MAC, no polling (contention based), no transmit sync. The only real benefit over WiFi is the support for variable frame sizes in later firmware/hardware releases. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users
The VL series is one of Alvarion¹s better lines. In a previous role I was part of a team which managed Alvarion VL 5.8 Backhauls. I was impressed. Overpriced IMHO but since we had them I was happy with their performance. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting  Tower Climbing  Network Support From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:55:51 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users Any Alvarion VL users out there? We're inheriting several towers, and curious about performance -- in particular with voice and contention -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users
Hi Brad, Alvarion firmware 5.5.26 and above have some decent mechanisms to deal with noise and flooded RF environments. However, the clients need to have a decent receive level (roughly -65 or better) if the noise floor is higher than -90 in order to keep traffic flowing decently. There are a couple other mechanisms internally to the radio such as Noise Immunity controls and a few others. 5.5 and above is almost a requirement when running Alvarion VL equipment. Anything below 5.5 doesn't show noise floor or RSSI (they only show SNR, which is just weird). On 4/24/10 8:05 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Agreed. A few years ago we tried (very hard) to deploy Alvarion VL. Crashed and burned to the point we were tarnishing our reputation with a valued client before we threw in the towel. No mechanism to deal with noise AT ALL. For rural or third world deployments I bet it does great, but for an unfriendly RF environment Alvarion VL is not a good fit IMO. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Users On 24 April 2010 19:55, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Any Alvarion VL users out there? We're inheriting several towers, and curious about performance -- in particular with voice and contention Poor. No RADIUS auth for MAC, no polling (contention based), no transmit sync. The only real benefit over WiFi is the support for variable frame sizes in later firmware/hardware releases. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Adam Kennedy Network Engineer Omnicity, Inc WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?
I have no experience with 802.16e, but have lots with 802.16d. 16d does not support MIMO. However, even without MIMO, we are ripping out 900/5.x and putting in Alvarion .16d. The diversity alone gives it penetration characteristics equal to or better than 900. WiMax does cost more, as we all know, but it also supports more clients (we're projecting close to 200 per base station. I hope we're right... ;-). We can't put it in where 900 is serving just a few customers. Chuck On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in operation? Was talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO that with the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the AP on a 300ft tower that it starts to feel like 700mhz. He claimed the NLOS was so good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and 2.4ghz and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire customer base. Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this firsthand. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?
We did not find that WiMax in general was better than 900. The key isn't WiMax, per se, but diversity antennas. Performance is *helped* by being 3.65 WiMax but that alone does NOT obviate the need for 900 in our experience. Diversity is key. Chuck On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple customers with lower modulation because of non line of site situations and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. Supposedly wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion 900. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: That would only be true if the data services are somewhat purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers. If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed. Rubens On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in operation? Was talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO that with the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the AP on a 300ft tower that it starts to feel like 700mhz. He claimed the NLOS was so good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and 2.4ghz and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire customer base. Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this firsthand. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?
Yes but. Diversity does not necessarilly yield the same percentage improvement in bands like 900Mhz as it does in 2.4, 3,6 and 5.8. When we field tested Aperto Pre-Wimax in 5.8 a few years back, we learned a bit on Polarity diversity. Aperto had a really cool tool that measured both pols side by side, and you could watch the Polarity shift in varying amounts over time (combined with effects from fade and multipath), by watching the RSSI change on each polarty individually and having it graphed. It was amazing to see how much it varied between pols and how much it changed over time (meaning seconds), a huge amount. It was a sure testimonial for benefit of Pol diversity in reflective areas, in low noise areas. (note we chose not to use it because in high noise congested areas it was more important to have polarity isolation to enable more channel use and avoid noise, and at the time we thought AP was to expensive for a 6mhz channel). WaveRider replicated the idea in 900Mhz with their peanut shaped diversity CPE, understanding that polarity rotated as obstacles were hit. But I'm not sure that we really noticed that much improvement in our Waverider 900Mhz diversity trials. Again, polarity isolation yielded so much more benefit than the minor benefit 900 showed with pol diversity. I do not know whether Alvarion 16.d uses pol or spatial diversity or other more complex method. But what we learned from Chuck's trials was that what ever it was, it made a huge difference in his 3.65 diversity trials. My point here is that Diversity can make a huge difference, diversity is the differenciator, but that the benefit of diversity can vary dependant on the Freq used and environment tackling, based on past experience. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz? We did not find that WiMax in general was better than 900. The key isn't WiMax, per se, but diversity antennas. Performance is *helped* by being 3.65 WiMax but that alone does NOT obviate the need for 900 in our experience. Diversity is key. Chuck On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple customers with lower modulation because of non line of site situations and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. Supposedly wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion 900. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: That would only be true if the data services are somewhat purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers. If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed. Rubens On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in operation? Was talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO that with the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the AP on a 300ft tower that it starts to feel like 700mhz. He claimed the NLOS was so good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and 2.4ghz and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire customer base. Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this firsthand. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?
On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: My point here is that Diversity can make a huge difference, diversity is the differenciator, but that the benefit of diversity can vary dependant on the Freq used and environment tackling, based on past experience. Without looking up the math on this, I would speculate that the reason is wavelength. At 3.65 we're about 4' apart. To get the same advantage at 900 MHz I'd willing to bet you might need to be quite a bit further apart-which isn't practical in most cases. I'm not willing to say it scales with wavelength (not without looking at the actual equations that is) but wavelength is going to be a factor in how effective diversity is at any given distance between two antennas. On the other hand, moving the antennas further apart at lower frequencies should be able to re-create the advantage. Chuck Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz? We did not find that WiMax in general was better than 900. The key isn't WiMax, per se, but diversity antennas. Performance is *helped* by being 3.65 WiMax but that alone does NOT obviate the need for 900 in our experience. Diversity is key. Chuck On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple customers with lower modulation because of non line of site situations and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. Supposedly wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion 900. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: That would only be true if the data services are somewhat purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers. If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed. Rubens On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in operation? Was talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO that with the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the AP on a 300ft tower that it starts to feel like 700mhz. He claimed the NLOS was so good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and 2.4ghz and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire customer base. Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this firsthand. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?
On the motorola webinar today they talked about the benefits of diversity and had comparisons between 900 3.65 part d and motorola's 320. Of course I understand the 90 percent of what they probably said was a stretch of the truth. They had a guy in Florida that tested all three and the 320 made links that the others couldn't. They cited the benefit of Mimo from multipath and reflection and said the benefits in certain frequencies were more prominent than lower frequencies. Just putting what was said out there. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 20, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com wrote: On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: My point here is that Diversity can make a huge difference, diversity is the differenciator, but that the benefit of diversity can vary dependant on the Freq used and environment tackling, based on past experience. Without looking up the math on this, I would speculate that the reason is wavelength. At 3.65 we're about 4' apart. To get the same advantage at 900 MHz I'd willing to bet you might need to be quite a bit further apart-which isn't practical in most cases. I'm not willing to say it scales with wavelength (not without looking at the actual equations that is) but wavelength is going to be a factor in how effective diversity is at any given distance between two antennas. On the other hand, moving the antennas further apart at lower frequencies should be able to re-create the advantage. Chuck Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz? We did not find that WiMax in general was better than 900. The key isn't WiMax, per se, but diversity antennas. Performance is *helped* by being 3.65 WiMax but that alone does NOT obviate the need for 900 in our experience. Diversity is key. Chuck On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple customers with lower modulation because of non line of site situations and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. Supposedly wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion 900. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: That would only be true if the data services are somewhat purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers. If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed. Rubens On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in operation? Was talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO that with the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the AP on a 300ft tower that it starts to feel like 700mhz. He claimed the NLOS was so good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and 2.4ghz and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire customer base. Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this firsthand. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz? OFFLIST
so what wimax gear are you using? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:18 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz? All I can say is that the effects of a lower modulated customer on my alvarion system seem to have a more profound impact on the system than what I have seen so far on 3.65. Granted I've only had the wimax up for 8 months and that's the only data I have to go on. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: There is no protocol design that can achieve that. A TDD system is a population of time slots; if a bunch of users (not just a couple) with high traffic demand (not low traffic or small bursts) have low modulation, it will talke more time slots to serve them. If a fairness system based on bandwidth is in place them all of the users will still suffer; if a fairness system based on time-slots is in place they won't get the service you promised them. There is no free lunch. I've run a 3.5 GHz WiMAX system with 3.5 MHz channels and the base station was always complaining the system was too oversubscribed; guess what, it was right, we were trying to serve more than feasible CIR/MIR traffic on those BSTs. Having a rule that only QAM16/QAM64 stations were allowed improved this problem a lot. Rubens On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I too have heard from others that WIMAX was designed so that the customers with poor connections don't take performance away from the rest with good connections. So far I have yet to hear ANYONE disprove this. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz? I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple customers with lower modulation because of non line of site situations and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. Supposedly wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion 900. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: That would only be true if the data services are somewhat purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers. If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed. Rubens On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in operation? Was talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO that with the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the AP on a 300ft tower that it starts to feel like 700mhz. He claimed the NLOS was so good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and 2.4ghz and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire customer base. Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this firsthand. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?
Oops not offlist good thing it wasn't a secret ;) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:18 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz? All I can say is that the effects of a lower modulated customer on my alvarion system seem to have a more profound impact on the system than what I have seen so far on 3.65. Granted I've only had the wimax up for 8 months and that's the only data I have to go on. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: There is no protocol design that can achieve that. A TDD system is a population of time slots; if a bunch of users (not just a couple) with high traffic demand (not low traffic or small bursts) have low modulation, it will talke more time slots to serve them. If a fairness system based on bandwidth is in place them all of the users will still suffer; if a fairness system based on time-slots is in place they won't get the service you promised them. There is no free lunch. I've run a 3.5 GHz WiMAX system with 3.5 MHz channels and the base station was always complaining the system was too oversubscribed; guess what, it was right, we were trying to serve more than feasible CIR/MIR traffic on those BSTs. Having a rule that only QAM16/QAM64 stations were allowed improved this problem a lot. Rubens On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I too have heard from others that WIMAX was designed so that the customers with poor connections don't take performance away from the rest with good connections. So far I have yet to hear ANYONE disprove this. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz? I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple customers with lower modulation because of non line of site situations and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. Supposedly wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion 900. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: That would only be true if the data services are somewhat purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers. If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed. Rubens On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in operation? Was talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO that with the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the AP on a 300ft tower that it starts to feel like 700mhz. He claimed the NLOS was so good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and 2.4ghz and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire customer base. Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this firsthand. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?
That would only be true if the data services are somewhat purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers. If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed. Rubens On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in operation? Was talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO that with the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the AP on a 300ft tower that it starts to feel like 700mhz. He claimed the NLOS was so good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and 2.4ghz and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire customer base. Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this firsthand. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?
I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple customers with lower modulation because of non line of site situations and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. Supposedly wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion 900. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: That would only be true if the data services are somewhat purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers. If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed. Rubens On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in operation? Was talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO that with the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the AP on a 300ft tower that it starts to feel like 700mhz. He claimed the NLOS was so good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and 2.4ghz and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire customer base. Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this firsthand. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?
I too have heard from others that WIMAX was designed so that the customers with poor connections don't take performance away from the rest with good connections. So far I have yet to hear ANYONE disprove this. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz? I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple customers with lower modulation because of non line of site situations and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. Supposedly wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion 900. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: That would only be true if the data services are somewhat purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers. If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed. Rubens On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in operation? Was talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO that with the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the AP on a 300ft tower that it starts to feel like 700mhz. He claimed the NLOS was so good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and 2.4ghz and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire customer base. Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this firsthand. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?
It's probably the same math that lets you put 10,000 15 meg customers on a single 3.5 MHz channel. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:55 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz? I too have heard from others that WIMAX was designed so that the customers with poor connections don't take performance away from the rest with good connections. So far I have yet to hear ANYONE disprove this. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz? I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple customers with lower modulation because of non line of site situations and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. Supposedly wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion 900. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: That would only be true if the data services are somewhat purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers. If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed. Rubens On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in operation? Was talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO that with the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the AP on a 300ft tower that it starts to feel like 700mhz. He claimed the NLOS was so good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and 2.4ghz and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire customer base. Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this firsthand. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?
There is no protocol design that can achieve that. A TDD system is a population of time slots; if a bunch of users (not just a couple) with high traffic demand (not low traffic or small bursts) have low modulation, it will talke more time slots to serve them. If a fairness system based on bandwidth is in place them all of the users will still suffer; if a fairness system based on time-slots is in place they won't get the service you promised them. There is no free lunch. I've run a 3.5 GHz WiMAX system with 3.5 MHz channels and the base station was always complaining the system was too oversubscribed; guess what, it was right, we were trying to serve more than feasible CIR/MIR traffic on those BSTs. Having a rule that only QAM16/QAM64 stations were allowed improved this problem a lot. Rubens On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I too have heard from others that WIMAX was designed so that the customers with poor connections don't take performance away from the rest with good connections. So far I have yet to hear ANYONE disprove this. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz? I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple customers with lower modulation because of non line of site situations and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. Supposedly wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion 900. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: That would only be true if the data services are somewhat purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers. If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed. Rubens On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in operation? Was talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO that with the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the AP on a 300ft tower that it starts to feel like 700mhz. He claimed the NLOS was so good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and 2.4ghz and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire customer base. Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this firsthand. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?
All I can say is that the effects of a lower modulated customer on my alvarion system seem to have a more profound impact on the system than what I have seen so far on 3.65. Granted I've only had the wimax up for 8 months and that's the only data I have to go on. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: There is no protocol design that can achieve that. A TDD system is a population of time slots; if a bunch of users (not just a couple) with high traffic demand (not low traffic or small bursts) have low modulation, it will talke more time slots to serve them. If a fairness system based on bandwidth is in place them all of the users will still suffer; if a fairness system based on time-slots is in place they won't get the service you promised them. There is no free lunch. I've run a 3.5 GHz WiMAX system with 3.5 MHz channels and the base station was always complaining the system was too oversubscribed; guess what, it was right, we were trying to serve more than feasible CIR/MIR traffic on those BSTs. Having a rule that only QAM16/QAM64 stations were allowed improved this problem a lot. Rubens On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I too have heard from others that WIMAX was designed so that the customers with poor connections don't take performance away from the rest with good connections. So far I have yet to hear ANYONE disprove this. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz? I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple customers with lower modulation because of non line of site situations and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. Supposedly wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion 900. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: That would only be true if the data services are somewhat purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers. If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed. Rubens On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in operation? Was talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO that with the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the AP on a 300ft tower that it starts to feel like 700mhz. He claimed the NLOS was so good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and 2.4ghz and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire customer base. Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this firsthand. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz?
I guess the other situation that I am not taking into account is that because of no interference every other sub I have is modulating at qam 64 3/4 and packet loss is sitting at 0.004% instead of what the alvarion 900 deals with. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: There is no protocol design that can achieve that. A TDD system is a population of time slots; if a bunch of users (not just a couple) with high traffic demand (not low traffic or small bursts) have low modulation, it will talke more time slots to serve them. If a fairness system based on bandwidth is in place them all of the users will still suffer; if a fairness system based on time-slots is in place they won't get the service you promised them. There is no free lunch. I've run a 3.5 GHz WiMAX system with 3.5 MHz channels and the base station was always complaining the system was too oversubscribed; guess what, it was right, we were trying to serve more than feasible CIR/MIR traffic on those BSTs. Having a rule that only QAM16/QAM64 stations were allowed improved this problem a lot. Rubens On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I too have heard from others that WIMAX was designed so that the customers with poor connections don't take performance away from the rest with good connections. So far I have yet to hear ANYONE disprove this. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as 900mhz? I am not using alvarion 3.65 but I am using wimax. I have a couple customers with lower modulation because of non line of site situations and have seen no impact on the entire system in general. Supposedly wimax is engineered to handle some of this better than my alvarion 900. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: That would only be true if the data services are somewhat purpose-specific and not Internet access. Doing what this vendor told you would seriously affect aggregate performance of the cell because of low rate modulation of the NLOS and/or distant customers. If you are doing sensor networks or POS connection you will be fine with all those BPSK/QPSK customers, indeed. Rubens On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Has anyone seen the Alvarion 3.65ghz 802.16e equipment in operation? Was talking to one vendor that claimed if you run the system in MIMO that with the diversity you can do NLOS as good as 900mhz and if you get the AP on a 300ft tower that it starts to feel like 700mhz. He claimed the NLOS was so good that people are ripping out complete old systems of 900mhz and 2.4ghz and putting in the single system of 3.65ghz to serve their entire customer base. Just wondering if anyone has experience or having seen this firsthand. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Access Control
Thanks Jeremy. Chuck On Nov 27, 2009, at 12:14 PM, jp wrote: We use this for setting up VL radios, including speed. If you want to automate it, just use $1, $2 as command line variables instead of reading in answers from questions. Then you could include it in a loop that cycles through a database generated list. I wish more manufacturers actually knew something about SNMP so we could program all radios this way. Saves a lot of human error. #!/bin/bash echo -e |--| echo -e | pinging radio to check if it is there and is set to factory defaults | echo -e | hit control-C if pinging fails | echo -e |--| ping -n -c 2 10.0.0.1 echo -e |--| echo -e | what will the radio be named? | read UNITNAME echo -e | what IP address will this radio have? | read IP echo -e | This radio will have $IP echo -e | what ESSID will this radio have? | read ESSID echo -e | Speed choice: Type 1 for gold (2 down 1 up), 2 for platinum connectme (3 down 1.5 up), 3 platinum (3 down, 2 up) read SPEED echo -e | Enter the antenna gain read ANTENNA echo -e |--| CM=changeme SP=/usr/bin/snmpset -v1 -r2 -On -c SG=/usr/bin/snmpget -v1 -r2 -On -c GW=`echo $IP|cut -d. -f1-3`.1 echo -e |--| echo -e | Setting up MIR/CIR | echo -e |--| case $SPEED in 1) $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.2.0 i 2000 $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.3.0 i 1000 ;; 2) $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.2.0 i 3000 $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.3.0 i 1500 ;; 3) $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.2.0 i 3000 $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.3.0 i 2000 ;; esac $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.4.0 i 128 $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.5.0 i 128 $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.6.0 i 1000 echo -e Now setup as: echo -e MirAUtoSU `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.2.0` echo -e MirSUtoAU `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.3.0` echo -e CirAUtoSU `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.4.0` echo -e CirSUtoAU `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.5.0` echo -e MaxDelay `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.6.0` echo -e CIR/MIR all setup echo -e |--| echo -e | Setting wireless menu items | echo -e |--| $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.1.1.0 s $ESSID $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.11.1.0 i 2 $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.13.1.0 i 2 $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.17.0 s $ANTENNA echo -e ESSID `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.1.1.0` echo -e Best AU `$SG private 10.0.0.1 ..1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.11.1.0` echo -e ATPC `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.13.1.0` echo -e AntennaGain `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.17.0` echo -e Done setting wireless items echo -e |--| echo -e | Setting up management items | echo -e |--| $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.3.0 s $UNITNAME $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.8.2.0 s alsochangeme $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.8.3.0 s changeme $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.1.0 a $IP $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.2.0 a 255.255.255.0 $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.3.0 a $GW echo -e Name`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.3.0` echo -e Inst PW`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.8.2.0` echo -e Admin PW`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.8.3.0` echo -e IP address `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.1.0` echo -e Netmask `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.2.0` echo -e Gateway `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.3.0` echo -e Done setting up manamgent items echo -e |--| echo -e | Setting up filter and
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Access Control
2009/11/26 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com:
Before I reinvent the wheel with an Expect script or SNMP query, does
anyone have scripts written for automating bandwidth/MAC allocations
for the VL? It does not support RADIUS, so any automated changes need
to be pushed via telnet or SNMP.
Since there wasn't anything out there, here is what I hacked up...
just set your snmprw community and go.
#!/bin/bash
# Syntax
# alvmac.sh add/remove ip address or hostname mac address with spaces
# Example
# alvmac.sh add 10.254.9.77 00 16 cf b7 9d f7
# SNMP R/W Community
snmprw=private
intent=$1
alvau=$2
let mac[1]=0x$3
let mac[2]=0x$4
let mac[3]=0x$5
let mac[4]=0x$6
let mac[5]=0x$7
let mac[6]=0x$8
if [ $intent == add ] ; then
action=4
fi
if [ $intent == remove ] ; then
action=6
fi
snmpset -c $snmprw -v 1 $alvau
1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.5.10.6.1.2.${mac[1]}.${mac[2]}.${mac[3]}.${mac[4]}.${mac[5]}.${mac[6]}
i $action
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Access Control
We use this for setting up VL radios, including speed. If you want to automate it, just use $1, $2 as command line variables instead of reading in answers from questions. Then you could include it in a loop that cycles through a database generated list. I wish more manufacturers actually knew something about SNMP so we could program all radios this way. Saves a lot of human error. #!/bin/bash echo -e |--| echo -e | pinging radio to check if it is there and is set to factory defaults | echo -e | hit control-C if pinging fails | echo -e |--| ping -n -c 2 10.0.0.1 echo -e |--| echo -e | what will the radio be named? | read UNITNAME echo -e | what IP address will this radio have? | read IP echo -e | This radio will have $IP echo -e | what ESSID will this radio have? | read ESSID echo -e | Speed choice: Type 1 for gold (2 down 1 up), 2 for platinum connectme (3 down 1.5 up), 3 platinum (3 down, 2 up) read SPEED echo -e | Enter the antenna gain read ANTENNA echo -e |--| CM=changeme SP=/usr/bin/snmpset -v1 -r2 -On -c SG=/usr/bin/snmpget -v1 -r2 -On -c GW=`echo $IP|cut -d. -f1-3`.1 echo -e |--| echo -e | Setting up MIR/CIR | echo -e |--| case $SPEED in 1) $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.2.0 i 2000 $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.3.0 i 1000 ;; 2) $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.2.0 i 3000 $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.3.0 i 1500 ;; 3) $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.2.0 i 3000 $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.3.0 i 2000 ;; esac $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.4.0 i 128 $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.5.0 i 128 $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.6.0 i 1000 echo -e Now setup as: echo -e MirAUtoSU `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.2.0` echo -e MirSUtoAU `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.3.0` echo -e CirAUtoSU `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.4.0` echo -e CirSUtoAU `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.5.0` echo -e MaxDelay `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.7.6.0` echo -e CIR/MIR all setup echo -e |--| echo -e | Setting wireless menu items | echo -e |--| $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.1.1.0 s $ESSID $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.11.1.0 i 2 $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.13.1.0 i 2 $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.17.0 s $ANTENNA echo -e ESSID `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.1.1.0` echo -e Best AU `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.11.1.0` echo -e ATPC `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.13.1.0` echo -e AntennaGain `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.6.17.0` echo -e Done setting wireless items echo -e |--| echo -e | Setting up management items | echo -e |--| $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.3.0 s $UNITNAME $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.8.2.0 s alsochangeme $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.8.3.0 s changeme $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.1.0 a $IP $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.2.0 a 255.255.255.0 $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.3.0 a $GW echo -e Name`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.3.0` echo -e Inst PW`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.8.2.0` echo -e Admin PW`$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.2.8.3.0` echo -e IP address `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.1.0` echo -e Netmask `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.2.0` echo -e Gateway `$SG private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.4.3.0` echo -e Done setting up manamgent items echo -e |--| echo -e | Setting up filter and network management | echo -e |--| $SP private 10.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.8.1.0 i 1
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
Canopy :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 Ghz PTMP? - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed 2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
Redline AN-80i -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:42 AM To: 'Joe Miller'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Canopy :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 Ghz PTMP? - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed 2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ttp://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Redline immediately by email at postmas...@redlinecommunications.com. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
Isn't there a webinar that will help this guy? ;) -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Subj: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:42 am Size: 2K To: 'Joe Miller' joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Canopy :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 Ghz PTMP? - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed 2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- message truncated --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
Wait what application are we even trying to solve... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:02 AM, dco...@infowest.com wrote: Isn't there a webinar that will help this guy? ;) -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Subj: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:42 am Size: 2K To: 'Joe Miller' joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Canopy :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 Ghz PTMP? - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed 2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- message truncated --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
I solved my problem with the 5.3Ghz PTMP - Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:14:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Wait what application are we even trying to solve... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:02 AM, dco...@infowest.com wrote: Isn't there a webinar that will help this guy? ;) -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Subj: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:42 am Size: 2K To: 'Joe Miller' joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Canopy :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 Ghz PTMP? - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed 2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- message truncated --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
What was the problem? I don't believe it was ever said. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com wrote: I solved my problem with the 5.3Ghz PTMP - Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:14:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Wait what application are we even trying to solve... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:02 AM, dco...@infowest.com wrote: Isn't there a webinar that will help this guy? ;) -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Subj: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:42 am Size: 2K To: 'Joe Miller' joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Canopy :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 Ghz PTMP? - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed 2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- message truncated --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
He said he needed 5.3 PtMP. Chuck On Aug 27, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What was the problem? I don't believe it was ever said. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com wrote: I solved my problem with the 5.3Ghz PTMP - Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:14:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Wait what application are we even trying to solve... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:02 AM, dco...@infowest.com wrote: Isn't there a webinar that will help this guy? ;) -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Subj: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:42 am Size: 2K To: 'Joe Miller' joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Canopy :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 Ghz PTMP? - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed 2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- message truncated --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
And I muddied the water with a snide reference to Alvarion's Webinars. Chuck Bartosch wrote: He said he needed 5.3 PtMP. Chuck On Aug 27, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What was the problem? I don't believe it was ever said. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com wrote: I solved my problem with the 5.3Ghz PTMP - Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:14:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Wait what application are we even trying to solve... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:02 AM, dco...@infowest.com wrote: Isn't there a webinar that will help this guy? ;) -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Subj: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:42 am Size: 2K To: 'Joe Miller' joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Canopy :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 Ghz PTMP? - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed 2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- message truncated --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 Ghz PTMP? - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed 2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
The EZ line is interesting. I former Alvarion engineer explained it to me this way, If you are thinking cars. The EZ line is like a Corolla and the VL line is like a Lexus. I thought that was funny. The Alvarion VL line is a great product line and we've been using is well for many years now, however, you would get better recommendations for products if you tell us what you are looking to achieve. We use Winncom and have had good results with them, Wireless Connections was also pleasant to work with but didn't plan on carrying the EZ line when I was in contact with them last (several months ago). -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 Ghz PTMP? - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed 2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
We use Wireless Connections, Inc. and have been extremely satisfied. If they *don't* carry a product, it'd be for a good reason. I've never asked them about the EZ line though-we're quite satisfied with Alvarion's VL line. The VL does do 5.3, 5.4, and 5.8 (with the proper radio for each band, of course). Mike Cowan is the CEO and will respond to an enquiry: Mike Cowan ACC/Wireless Connections, Inc. work(419) 660-6100 workmi...@wirelessconnections.net home page www.wirelessconnections.net 166 Milan Ave Norwalk OH 44857 WCI also runs an Alvarion support list at: alvarion-supp...@wirelessconnections.net which you can sign up for at: http://www.wirelessconnections.net/index.php/Support-Lists-Signup.html Chuck On Aug 26, 2009, at 3:32 PM, Joe Miller wrote: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VA/BA IDU to ODU Voltage
It's something like 54vdc. The transtector lighting arrestor they OEM is expensive, but worthwhile for the AUs or ptp links. Transtector will replace any damaged arrestors under warranty too. We usually get the ALPU ALVR from tessco. http://www.transtector.com/productdetail.aspx?item=1101-640 Lightning arrestors for 48v will not work. The Alvarion wiring scheme is a bit different than POE, so make sure the right pins are rated for the right voltages. Do keep the list posted if you find something that works well. We'd love to put lightning arrestors in more places if they were smaller and less expensive. On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 08:18:10PM -0400, Jeremy Parr wrote: Anyone know the voltage for the IF cable on the VL/BA stuff? Apparently they OEM a Polyphaser lightning protector for their stuff, but they want a lot more dollars than they should for it. I'm looking to substitute something like the Polyphase NX or IX, but need to match the IF voltage. http://www.polyphaser.com/productdetail.aspx?item=NX4-60 http://www.polyphaser.com/productdetail.aspx?item=IX-50DC48 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VA/BA IDU to ODU Voltage
2009/7/15 jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com: It's something like 54vdc. The transtector lighting arrestor they OEM is expensive, but worthwhile for the AUs or ptp links. Transtector will replace any damaged arrestors under warranty too. We usually get the ALPU ALVR from tessco. http://www.transtector.com/productdetail.aspx?item=1101-640 Lightning arrestors for 48v will not work. The Alvarion wiring scheme is a bit different than POE, so make sure the right pins are rated for the right voltages. Do keep the list posted if you find something that works well. We'd love to put lightning arrestors in more places if they were smaller and less expensive. Not sure of the price point, probably only slightly cheaper, and its an indoor unit. http://www.polyphaser.com/productdetail.aspx?item=NX4-60 There is also the IX outdoor rated model, but I don't see if being cheaper than the Transtector one. http://www.polyphaser.com/productdetail.aspx?item=IX-2H2DC56 Tessco also has these guys for $50 http://www.polyphaser.com/productdetail.aspx?item=NX2-60 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Breeze Access 2 900 SU's
Yep, we may have about 10 as well. Cameron, if you still have need, contact me offlist: agre...@webjogger.net - Original Message - From: e...@wisp-router.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; c...@midcoast.com Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Breeze Access 2 900 SU's Don't know about 10 but I do have some that I would like to get ride of. Might have 10. Some should be new (taken out of box) and some been used but pulled working out of service. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Cameron Kilton Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: wireless@wispa.org ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Breeze Access 2 900 SU's Sent: Jul 6, 2009 08:34 If anybody has 10 or so of these available or sitting around for sale, shoot me an e-mail for what you want for them. Thank You, Cameron Kilton WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Breeze Access 2 900 SU's
Don't know about 10 but I do have some that I would like to get ride of. Might have 10. Some should be new (taken out of box) and some been used but pulled working out of service. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Cameron Kilton Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: wireless@wispa.org ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Breeze Access 2 900 SU's Sent: Jul 6, 2009 08:34 If anybody has 10 or so of these available or sitting around for sale, shoot me an e-mail for what you want for them. Thank You, Cameron Kilton WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support
What was the other radio? Eric Albert wrote: Hey Cameron, The new firmware for the VL900 platform indeed provides better performance. The new filters are hardware based but controlled in software. One of the new features is the ACCS and NFS controls (Automatic Clear Channel Selection and Noise Floor Selection). The way this will work is the Spectrum Analyzer Mode will determine the noise characteristics per channel and then can make an automatic selection of noise floor and clean channel. There will still be manual adjustment of optimization rules for skilled users available in the interface. If you didn't catch the webinar last week, one of the tests we ran was a head-to-head comparison against another 900 MHz radio. We tested six locations that were all NLOS. We outperformed the other radio in five of the six locations and could connect in every location whereas the other guy only registered a connection in three of those sites. (50%) You all will be the first to know when the firmware is GA. We are taking orders for hardware through partners and distribution channels. Eric Albert | Application Engineer Alvarion Inc. | -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support We were advised that the 5.5 firmware provides better performance for the VL 900 in high noise areas with the use of software filters, etc. I would really like to start testing it soon. -C -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Rock Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support What versions are you running now? What do you need the new firmware for? John Rock Director of Operations - Senior Engineer Wireless Connections 166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:56 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support I just got of the phone with Alvarion Technical Support. I was asking to get a copy of the 5.5 firmware for VL. They said I had to wait for it to be available on the website. I thought they were joking at first but I guess not, they said it would probably be available Monday. If you have a copy please send it along. -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support
We were advised that the 5.5 firmware provides better performance for the VL 900 in high noise areas with the use of software filters, etc. I would really like to start testing it soon. -C -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Rock Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support What versions are you running now? What do you need the new firmware for? John Rock Director of Operations - Senior Engineer Wireless Connections 166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:56 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support I just got of the phone with Alvarion Technical Support. I was asking to get a copy of the 5.5 firmware for VL. They said I had to wait for it to be available on the website. I thought they were joking at first but I guess not, they said it would probably be available Monday. If you have a copy please send it along. -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support
Hey Cameron, The new firmware for the VL900 platform indeed provides better performance. The new filters are hardware based but controlled in software. One of the new features is the ACCS and NFS controls (Automatic Clear Channel Selection and Noise Floor Selection). The way this will work is the Spectrum Analyzer Mode will determine the noise characteristics per channel and then can make an automatic selection of noise floor and clean channel. There will still be manual adjustment of optimization rules for skilled users available in the interface. If you didn't catch the webinar last week, one of the tests we ran was a head-to-head comparison against another 900 MHz radio. We tested six locations that were all NLOS. We outperformed the other radio in five of the six locations and could connect in every location whereas the other guy only registered a connection in three of those sites. (50%) You all will be the first to know when the firmware is GA. We are taking orders for hardware through partners and distribution channels. Eric Albert | Application Engineer Alvarion Inc. | -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support We were advised that the 5.5 firmware provides better performance for the VL 900 in high noise areas with the use of software filters, etc. I would really like to start testing it soon. -C -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Rock Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support What versions are you running now? What do you need the new firmware for? John Rock Director of Operations - Senior Engineer Wireless Connections 166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:56 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support I just got of the phone with Alvarion Technical Support. I was asking to get a copy of the 5.5 firmware for VL. They said I had to wait for it to be available on the website. I thought they were joking at first but I guess not, they said it would probably be available Monday. If you have a copy please send it along. -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support
What versions are you running now? What do you need the new firmware for? John Rock Director of Operations - Senior Engineer Wireless Connections 166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:56 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support I just got of the phone with Alvarion Technical Support. I was asking to get a copy of the 5.5 firmware for VL. They said I had to wait for it to be available on the website. I thought they were joking at first but I guess not, they said it would probably be available Monday. If you have a copy please send it along. -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support
Stay tuned guys. Version 5.5 is not GA just yet. I'll let you all know when it is available. Eric Albert | Application Engineer Alvarion Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:56 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Tech support I just got of the phone with Alvarion Technical Support. I was asking to get a copy of the 5.5 firmware for VL. They said I had to wait for it to be available on the website. I thought they were joking at first but I guess not, they said it would probably be available Monday. If you have a copy please send it along. -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Firmware
I'd be interested in that as well. On 5/21/09 5:13 PM, Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com wrote: Anybody got a copy of the new VL firmware 5.5 from Alvarion, it's supposed to do wonders for the 900 band and has a filter built into it now. :) Thank You, Cameron Kilton -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Adam Kennedy Senior Network Administrator Cyberlink Technologies, Inc. Phone: 888-293-3693 x4352 Fax: 574-855-5761 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion B100 Throughput
Depends on the frequency. 3-9 miles links we've seen 55-60Mbps on a 40MHz channel w/5.4GHz. However, because the radio has to change frequencies due to DFS, it's not consistent. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:56 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: What are you guys seeing with this unit. Looking to compare with my experience Tnx -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL products
No way. I'd love a synchronized polling mechanism. Especially if it were able to be done without the need for a chassis install! (I have VERY low customer density so I don't need 6 ap's per location.) marlon - Original Message - From: Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion VL products Am I the only one who wishes they had GPS timing available for Alvarion VL. Thank You, Cameron Kilton Broadband Department Assistant Systems Administrator Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com/ c...@midcoast.com (207)594-8277 ext. 108 -- -- This e-mail message may contain material that is confidential or proprietary to Midcoast Internet Solutions. If you are not the intended recipient(s) or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender, destroy all copies of this message, and delete this message from your computer. -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL products
I would have tried Alvarion products on many occasions but didn't for this simple reason... Their 900mhz product with 8Megs looks great, but then it isn't synced and I have a lot of 900 deployments, so I had to scrap the idea... You'd think a company like that would wise up when looking at the competition and what they are doing and how successful they are at it. On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: No way. I'd love a synchronized polling mechanism. Especially if it were able to be done without the need for a chassis install! (I have VERY low customer density so I don't need 6 ap's per location.) marlon - Original Message - From: Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion VL products Am I the only one who wishes they had GPS timing available for Alvarion VL. Thank You, Cameron Kilton Broadband Department Assistant Systems Administrator Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com/ c...@midcoast.com (207)594-8277 ext. 108 -- -- This e-mail message may contain material that is confidential or proprietary to Midcoast Internet Solutions. If you are not the intended recipient(s) or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender, destroy all copies of this message, and delete this message from your computer. -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL products
It would be so easy for motorola to do a 900 ofdm product... I don't now why they don't do it Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL products I would have tried Alvarion products on many occasions but didn't for this simple reason... Their 900mhz product with 8Megs looks great, but then it isn't synced and I have a lot of 900 deployments, so I had to scrap the idea... You'd think a company like that would wise up when looking at the competition and what they are doing and how successful they are at it. On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: No way. I'd love a synchronized polling mechanism. Especially if it were able to be done without the need for a chassis install! (I have VERY low customer density so I don't need 6 ap's per location.) marlon - Original Message - From: Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion VL products Am I the only one who wishes they had GPS timing available for Alvarion VL. Thank You, Cameron Kilton Broadband Department Assistant Systems Administrator Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com/ c...@midcoast.com (207)594-8277 ext. 108 -- -- This e-mail message may contain material that is confidential or proprietary to Midcoast Internet Solutions. If you are not the intended recipient(s) or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender, destroy all copies of this message, and delete this message from your computer. -- --- -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL products
SeriouslyI'm surprised the moto guys weren't grilled more at Animal Farm for leaving us rural, heavy foliage guys behind. On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: It would be so easy for motorola to do a 900 ofdm product... I don't now why they don't do it Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL products I would have tried Alvarion products on many occasions but didn't for this simple reason... Their 900mhz product with 8Megs looks great, but then it isn't synced and I have a lot of 900 deployments, so I had to scrap the idea... You'd think a company like that would wise up when looking at the competition and what they are doing and how successful they are at it. On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: No way. I'd love a synchronized polling mechanism. Especially if it were able to be done without the need for a chassis install! (I have VERY low customer density so I don't need 6 ap's per location.) marlon - Original Message - From: Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion VL products Am I the only one who wishes they had GPS timing available for Alvarion VL. Thank You, Cameron Kilton Broadband Department Assistant Systems Administrator Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com/ c...@midcoast.com (207)594-8277 ext. 108 -- -- This e-mail message may contain material that is confidential or proprietary to Midcoast Internet Solutions. If you are not the intended recipient(s) or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender, destroy all copies of this message, and delete this message from your computer. -- --- -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL products
Well I think that is TVWS devices are for after all Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL products SeriouslyI'm surprised the moto guys weren't grilled more at Animal Farm for leaving us rural, heavy foliage guys behind. On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: It would be so easy for motorola to do a 900 ofdm product... I don't now why they don't do it Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL products I would have tried Alvarion products on many occasions but didn't for this simple reason... Their 900mhz product with 8Megs looks great, but then it isn't synced and I have a lot of 900 deployments, so I had to scrap the idea... You'd think a company like that would wise up when looking at the competition and what they are doing and how successful they are at it. On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: No way. I'd love a synchronized polling mechanism. Especially if it were able to be done without the need for a chassis install! (I have VERY low customer density so I don't need 6 ap's per location.) marlon - Original Message - From: Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion VL products Am I the only one who wishes they had GPS timing available for Alvarion VL. Thank You, Cameron Kilton Broadband Department Assistant Systems Administrator Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com/ c...@midcoast.com (207)594-8277 ext. 108 -- -- This e-mail message may contain material that is confidential or proprietary to Midcoast Internet Solutions. If you are not the intended recipient(s) or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender, destroy all copies of this message, and delete this message from your computer. -- --- -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL products
No, you aren't the only one. On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com wrote: Am I the only one who wishes they had GPS timing available for Alvarion VL. Thank You, Cameron Kilton Broadband Department Assistant Systems Administrator Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com/ c...@midcoast.com (207)594-8277 ext. 108 -- -- This e-mail message may contain material that is confidential or proprietary to Midcoast Internet Solutions. If you are not the intended recipient(s) or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender, destroy all copies of this message, and delete this message from your computer. -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL products
We are sync'd in our thinking. :-) Scriv On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com wrote: Am I the only one who wishes they had GPS timing available for Alvarion VL. Thank You, Cameron Kilton Broadband Department Assistant Systems Administrator Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com/ c...@midcoast.com (207)594-8277 ext. 108 -- -- This e-mail message may contain material that is confidential or proprietary to Midcoast Internet Solutions. If you are not the intended recipient(s) or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender, destroy all copies of this message, and delete this message from your computer. -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL products
or sunk ;-) Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL products We are sync'd in our thinking. :-) Scriv On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com wrote: Am I the only one who wishes they had GPS timing available for Alvarion VL. Thank You, Cameron Kilton Broadband Department Assistant Systems Administrator Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com/ c...@midcoast.com (207)594-8277 ext. 108 -- -- This e-mail message may contain material that is confidential or proprietary to Midcoast Internet Solutions. If you are not the intended recipient(s) or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender, destroy all copies of this message, and delete this message from your computer. -- --- -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion
I second that. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion I have some on the network. So far I like my Alvarion gear. It's over prices but it's also rock solid. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion
Alvarion products perform admirably and generally do not fail. I do not think we have ever replaced a piece of Alvarion gear in our network. You will pay a premium for this level of performance. Scriv On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Al Stewart stewa...@westcreston.cawrote: Does anyone have any experience with Alvarion wireless products? Al WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion
Yes. We've been using them sine they were BreezeCom back in 97. If you have some questions, feel free to contact me off-list. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Al Stewart Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Does anyone have any experience with Alvarion wireless products? Al WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion
Similarly, we use Alvarion. Feel free to contact me also if Cameron doesn't have an answer for you. Chuck On Jan 30, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Cameron Kilton wrote: Yes. We've been using them sine they were BreezeCom back in 97. If you have some questions, feel free to contact me off-list. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Al Stewart Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Does anyone have any experience with Alvarion wireless products? Al WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion
I have some on the network. So far I like my Alvarion gear. It's over prices but it's also rock solid. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Al Stewart stewa...@westcreston.ca To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Does anyone have any experience with Alvarion wireless products? Al WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount
There must be some sort of tolerance. Units work between 48 and 55v? Something to that affect. -Cameron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 4:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount Iirc alvarion vl are 55 vdc Gino -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount Yes, the first place to start is to determine the Alvarion specs. 1) Max power or amperage draw from the Alvarion VLs, and 2) min and max Voltage tolerance. I don;t have that answer for you. But please share it, when you find out :-) The general rule is, you can make a combine POE system to serve identical distances as standalone POE systems. But you still ahve to do the math for stnadalone POE system. For example, You can take a 48V POE up 500 feet easilly, to deliver JUST POWER. But data will never go that high. If you had to serve height beyond Ethernet POE specs, you'd then need to do the Power extraction up in a NEMA box on the tower. Again, we did not do it with Alvarion, but the way we did it was We took standard standalone POE injectors (ones without integrated PS). Valemount Injectors that are black, square, one led, and sell for about $5-$7. This allowed us to have circuit board connecting both Ether jacks for reliability. These models allowed a wiretie to fit between the PS jack and the CAT5 plug, so it could be asilly secured and easilly individually untied in the field. We put one extra one inline for hot spare. Now, we were doing 24v, so You need to confirm the injectors that you selected allowed voltage level for Alvarion. I know the little white half moons, can do 48V no problem. If the standard 802.11 pin-out isn;t what Alvarion uses, then compensate with the pin-out of the Plug crimping on. We then laid them side by side mounted flat to a plywood strip. We actually just screwed the Strip to the rack, because we cut it to reach 19 rack. It could also be glued to a Nema Box back, with construction plywood roof glue. We cut the height of the strip about 6 inches, so we had 2 inched on top and bottom to Staple patch cable in place, with it still having room to unplug. IN one case we used screw in eye hooks, and then just strapped the cable to the eye hook for strain relief. We then took standard two strand wire and soldered the round plugs to them (the kind that the standard POE required). We then took two of those standard screw down DC bus bars (can be ordered from any electrician or electronic store) with like 8-12 screws on thems, and labeled them - and +. Then of course screwed down the wires to them. (Just as easilly we could have soldered the eight wires togeather, so all the cables were like a 8 cable bundled single unit.) We then Used a thicker guage wire, I think it was 16-18 guage and ran that from the Bud Bar to our dedicated power supply. (Many power supply types available). Whether it works is just doing the math of cable Voltage loss, and how much amperage the cable can take. See AWG chart attached. Also see POE calculater at http://www.demarctech.com/techsupport/poecalculate.htm Its importnat to remember that the Voltage loss is different based on the amperage that is occuring at the time, so you don;t want to over power voltage to compensate for the loss, to the extent that an inactive radio would be delviered voltage greater than the radio could accept. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cameron Kilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount All of your questions Tom are important and have taken those into consideration. Right now, I just want to figure out if anybody has done it and how. We have made a POE system that puts out 48volt and it works on the bench with VL units, but when there is a significant cable run it stops working, I guess the important thing to find out is what is the minimum and maximum voltage that can be sent to a Alvarion VL or B radio? -Cameron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount I have got to put a plug in for the SuperRMS. We just installed our second unit. Just a great box for doing DC power control (or AC if you want). Pricey, but very flexibile and powerful. Also has temperature, voltage measurent, alarm contact monitoring, USB port with camera drivers, alert and relay scripting, linux shell and on and on http://www.remotemonitoringsystems.ca/rms2/ Tom DeReggi wrote
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount
Yes, the normal float voltage for flooded cell batts is 2.25 VPC. For a 48 Volt battery that is 24 cells x 2.25 = 54 volts. Some folks charge at 55 volts. Then during discharge, some consider 1.8 VPC to be the lower limit. 24 x 1. = 43.2 volts. I personally like 44 volts as the lower limit. So equipment designed to operate from a -48 volt supply is designed to span those limits at a minimum. Most would probably exceed that range by a volt or two on each end. - Original Message - From: Cameron Kilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount There must be some sort of tolerance. Units work between 48 and 55v? Something to that affect. -Cameron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 4:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount Iirc alvarion vl are 55 vdc Gino -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount Yes, the first place to start is to determine the Alvarion specs. 1) Max power or amperage draw from the Alvarion VLs, and 2) min and max Voltage tolerance. I don;t have that answer for you. But please share it, when you find out :-) The general rule is, you can make a combine POE system to serve identical distances as standalone POE systems. But you still ahve to do the math for stnadalone POE system. For example, You can take a 48V POE up 500 feet easilly, to deliver JUST POWER. But data will never go that high. If you had to serve height beyond Ethernet POE specs, you'd then need to do the Power extraction up in a NEMA box on the tower. Again, we did not do it with Alvarion, but the way we did it was We took standard standalone POE injectors (ones without integrated PS). Valemount Injectors that are black, square, one led, and sell for about $5-$7. This allowed us to have circuit board connecting both Ether jacks for reliability. These models allowed a wiretie to fit between the PS jack and the CAT5 plug, so it could be asilly secured and easilly individually untied in the field. We put one extra one inline for hot spare. Now, we were doing 24v, so You need to confirm the injectors that you selected allowed voltage level for Alvarion. I know the little white half moons, can do 48V no problem. If the standard 802.11 pin-out isn;t what Alvarion uses, then compensate with the pin-out of the Plug crimping on. We then laid them side by side mounted flat to a plywood strip. We actually just screwed the Strip to the rack, because we cut it to reach 19 rack. It could also be glued to a Nema Box back, with construction plywood roof glue. We cut the height of the strip about 6 inches, so we had 2 inched on top and bottom to Staple patch cable in place, with it still having room to unplug. IN one case we used screw in eye hooks, and then just strapped the cable to the eye hook for strain relief. We then took standard two strand wire and soldered the round plugs to them (the kind that the standard POE required). We then took two of those standard screw down DC bus bars (can be ordered from any electrician or electronic store) with like 8-12 screws on thems, and labeled them - and +. Then of course screwed down the wires to them. (Just as easilly we could have soldered the eight wires togeather, so all the cables were like a 8 cable bundled single unit.) We then Used a thicker guage wire, I think it was 16-18 guage and ran that from the Bud Bar to our dedicated power supply. (Many power supply types available). Whether it works is just doing the math of cable Voltage loss, and how much amperage the cable can take. See AWG chart attached. Also see POE calculater at http://www.demarctech.com/techsupport/poecalculate.htm Its importnat to remember that the Voltage loss is different based on the amperage that is occuring at the time, so you don;t want to over power voltage to compensate for the loss, to the extent that an inactive radio would be delviered voltage greater than the radio could accept. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cameron Kilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount All of your questions Tom are important and have taken those into consideration. Right now, I just want to figure out if anybody has done it and how. We have made a POE system that puts out 48volt and it works on the bench with VL units, but when there is a significant cable run it stops working, I guess the important thing to find out is what
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount
Chuck, Interesting info, regarding VPC. As you proved, there is a logic to minimum range should be designed for. But the question is also, what was designed as the Maximum? Many products have fuses that peak at a specific level, to protect from over voltage damage. For example, WRAP boards that blew the fuse at 21volts, or older WAR2 boards blowing with non-regulated 24v supplies, when as much as 29v overvoltage was sent. If Alvarion is powered at 55v as Gino stated, it would be running near the maximum threshold of your minimum spec for 48v. So what is Alvarion's max, before it blows? It could be a factor of what level of surge/fuse protection the combined POE system on the ground needs, to adequately protect the on tower radios. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount Yes, the normal float voltage for flooded cell batts is 2.25 VPC. For a 48 Volt battery that is 24 cells x 2.25 = 54 volts. Some folks charge at 55 volts. Then during discharge, some consider 1.8 VPC to be the lower limit. 24 x 1. = 43.2 volts. I personally like 44 volts as the lower limit. So equipment designed to operate from a -48 volt supply is designed to span those limits at a minimum. Most would probably exceed that range by a volt or two on each end. - Original Message - From: Cameron Kilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount There must be some sort of tolerance. Units work between 48 and 55v? Something to that affect. -Cameron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 4:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount Iirc alvarion vl are 55 vdc Gino -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount Yes, the first place to start is to determine the Alvarion specs. 1) Max power or amperage draw from the Alvarion VLs, and 2) min and max Voltage tolerance. I don;t have that answer for you. But please share it, when you find out :-) The general rule is, you can make a combine POE system to serve identical distances as standalone POE systems. But you still ahve to do the math for stnadalone POE system. For example, You can take a 48V POE up 500 feet easilly, to deliver JUST POWER. But data will never go that high. If you had to serve height beyond Ethernet POE specs, you'd then need to do the Power extraction up in a NEMA box on the tower. Again, we did not do it with Alvarion, but the way we did it was We took standard standalone POE injectors (ones without integrated PS). Valemount Injectors that are black, square, one led, and sell for about $5-$7. This allowed us to have circuit board connecting both Ether jacks for reliability. These models allowed a wiretie to fit between the PS jack and the CAT5 plug, so it could be asilly secured and easilly individually untied in the field. We put one extra one inline for hot spare. Now, we were doing 24v, so You need to confirm the injectors that you selected allowed voltage level for Alvarion. I know the little white half moons, can do 48V no problem. If the standard 802.11 pin-out isn;t what Alvarion uses, then compensate with the pin-out of the Plug crimping on. We then laid them side by side mounted flat to a plywood strip. We actually just screwed the Strip to the rack, because we cut it to reach 19 rack. It could also be glued to a Nema Box back, with construction plywood roof glue. We cut the height of the strip about 6 inches, so we had 2 inched on top and bottom to Staple patch cable in place, with it still having room to unplug. IN one case we used screw in eye hooks, and then just strapped the cable to the eye hook for strain relief. We then took standard two strand wire and soldered the round plugs to them (the kind that the standard POE required). We then took two of those standard screw down DC bus bars (can be ordered from any electrician or electronic store) with like 8-12 screws on thems, and labeled them - and +. Then of course screwed down the wires to them. (Just as easilly we could have soldered the eight wires togeather, so all the cables were like a 8 cable bundled single unit.) We then Used a thicker guage wire, I think it was 16-18 guage and ran that from the Bud Bar to our dedicated power supply. (Many power supply types available). Whether it works is just doing the math of cable Voltage loss, and how much amperage the cable can
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount
There are three questions that come up... 1) Redundancy 2) minimizing impact of failure 3) Ability to remote reboot. We had chosen to stay with individual AC Adapter POE systems, for the above reasons. The individual AC PS adapter plugged into the AC style Digital Logger reboot device. If a PS fails, only one radio dies, and quick to replace the one PS for $15. And if a radio locks up, we can reboot the port via Digital logger. Whether or not our device is located in the Closet, mid-way on tower, or way up the tower, its one standard method to remote access the devices, and power them. So to run one cetnral power supply to power all radios How will you remote reboot them? And what will you do if the main Power supply fails? I'd only recommend doing a shared power supply if it was redundant with a ready to go spare (two units onsite). As well, you then need to convert to a DC based reboot device, and put the relays (or it) inline with the power to the POE. Digital logger also makes a DC based model, with screw down panels. This device could be your method to combine the DC power. However not positive but this model might be 24V. http://www.digital-loggers.com/din.html . I think Alvarions are 54-56V. Side note some of the old MEtrocom installs had used 54V powersupply power plants. You might be able to find them used cheap. I know we had picked up a few. (but didn;t have 54V gear) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cameron Kilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:29 AM Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount I have a bunch of Stand Alone 5.8 VL AU gear, I want to make a 12 port rack mount power supply for it. Has anybody tried this? Thank You, Cameron Kilton WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount
I have got to put a plug in for the SuperRMS. We just installed our second unit. Just a great box for doing DC power control (or AC if you want). Pricey, but very flexibile and powerful. Also has temperature, voltage measurent, alarm contact monitoring, USB port with camera drivers, alert and relay scripting, linux shell and on and on http://www.remotemonitoringsystems.ca/rms2/ Tom DeReggi wrote: There are three questions that come up... 1) Redundancy 2) minimizing impact of failure 3) Ability to remote reboot. We had chosen to stay with individual AC Adapter POE systems, for the above reasons. The individual AC PS adapter plugged into the AC style Digital Logger reboot device. If a PS fails, only one radio dies, and quick to replace the one PS for $15. And if a radio locks up, we can reboot the port via Digital logger. Whether or not our device is located in the Closet, mid-way on tower, or way up the tower, its one standard method to remote access the devices, and power them. So to run one cetnral power supply to power all radios How will you remote reboot them? And what will you do if the main Power supply fails? I'd only recommend doing a shared power supply if it was redundant with a ready to go spare (two units onsite). As well, you then need to convert to a DC based reboot device, and put the relays (or it) inline with the power to the POE. Digital logger also makes a DC based model, with screw down panels. This device could be your method to combine the DC power. However not positive but this model might be 24V. http://www.digital-loggers.com/din.html . I think Alvarions are 54-56V. Side note some of the old MEtrocom installs had used 54V powersupply power plants. You might be able to find them used cheap. I know we had picked up a few. (but didn;t have 54V gear) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cameron Kilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:29 AM Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount I have a bunch of Stand Alone 5.8 VL AU gear, I want to make a 12 port rack mount power supply for it. Has anybody tried this? Thank You, Cameron Kilton WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc office: 435-773-6071 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount
Yes, the first place to start is to determine the Alvarion specs. 1) Max power or amperage draw from the Alvarion VLs, and 2) min and max Voltage tolerance. I don;t have that answer for you. But please share it, when you find out :-) The general rule is, you can make a combine POE system to serve identical distances as standalone POE systems. But you still ahve to do the math for stnadalone POE system. For example, You can take a 48V POE up 500 feet easilly, to deliver JUST POWER. But data will never go that high. If you had to serve height beyond Ethernet POE specs, you'd then need to do the Power extraction up in a NEMA box on the tower. Again, we did not do it with Alvarion, but the way we did it was We took standard standalone POE injectors (ones without integrated PS). Valemount Injectors that are black, square, one led, and sell for about $5-$7. This allowed us to have circuit board connecting both Ether jacks for reliability. These models allowed a wiretie to fit between the PS jack and the CAT5 plug, so it could be asilly secured and easilly individually untied in the field. We put one extra one inline for hot spare. Now, we were doing 24v, so You need to confirm the injectors that you selected allowed voltage level for Alvarion. I know the little white half moons, can do 48V no problem. If the standard 802.11 pin-out isn;t what Alvarion uses, then compensate with the pin-out of the Plug crimping on. We then laid them side by side mounted flat to a plywood strip. We actually just screwed the Strip to the rack, because we cut it to reach 19 rack. It could also be glued to a Nema Box back, with construction plywood roof glue. We cut the height of the strip about 6 inches, so we had 2 inched on top and bottom to Staple patch cable in place, with it still having room to unplug. IN one case we used screw in eye hooks, and then just strapped the cable to the eye hook for strain relief. We then took standard two strand wire and soldered the round plugs to them (the kind that the standard POE required). We then took two of those standard screw down DC bus bars (can be ordered from any electrician or electronic store) with like 8-12 screws on thems, and labeled them - and +. Then of course screwed down the wires to them. (Just as easilly we could have soldered the eight wires togeather, so all the cables were like a 8 cable bundled single unit.) We then Used a thicker guage wire, I think it was 16-18 guage and ran that from the Bud Bar to our dedicated power supply. (Many power supply types available). Whether it works is just doing the math of cable Voltage loss, and how much amperage the cable can take. See AWG chart attached. Also see POE calculater at http://www.demarctech.com/techsupport/poecalculate.htm Its importnat to remember that the Voltage loss is different based on the amperage that is occuring at the time, so you don;t want to over power voltage to compensate for the loss, to the extent that an inactive radio would be delviered voltage greater than the radio could accept. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cameron Kilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount All of your questions Tom are important and have taken those into consideration. Right now, I just want to figure out if anybody has done it and how. We have made a POE system that puts out 48volt and it works on the bench with VL units, but when there is a significant cable run it stops working, I guess the important thing to find out is what is the minimum and maximum voltage that can be sent to a Alvarion VL or B radio? -Cameron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount I have got to put a plug in for the SuperRMS. We just installed our second unit. Just a great box for doing DC power control (or AC if you want). Pricey, but very flexibile and powerful. Also has temperature, voltage measurent, alarm contact monitoring, USB port with camera drivers, alert and relay scripting, linux shell and on and on http://www.remotemonitoringsystems.ca/rms2/ Tom DeReggi wrote: There are three questions that come up... 1) Redundancy 2) minimizing impact of failure 3) Ability to remote reboot. We had chosen to stay with individual AC Adapter POE systems, for the above reasons. The individual AC PS adapter plugged into the AC style Digital Logger reboot device. If a PS fails, only one radio dies, and quick to replace the one PS for $15. And if a radio locks up, we can reboot the port via Digital logger. Whether or not our device is located in the Closet, mid-way on tower, or way up the tower, its one standard method to remote access
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount
http://www.cablesandkits.com/cisco-3500-series-port-poe-switch-wsc3524pwrxlen-p-869.html How about one of these puppies? Someone on the star forums said they used a cisco 3500 poe switch and it fired up a 48v wp188 board. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount
Iirc alvarion vl are 55 vdc Gino -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount Yes, the first place to start is to determine the Alvarion specs. 1) Max power or amperage draw from the Alvarion VLs, and 2) min and max Voltage tolerance. I don;t have that answer for you. But please share it, when you find out :-) The general rule is, you can make a combine POE system to serve identical distances as standalone POE systems. But you still ahve to do the math for stnadalone POE system. For example, You can take a 48V POE up 500 feet easilly, to deliver JUST POWER. But data will never go that high. If you had to serve height beyond Ethernet POE specs, you'd then need to do the Power extraction up in a NEMA box on the tower. Again, we did not do it with Alvarion, but the way we did it was We took standard standalone POE injectors (ones without integrated PS). Valemount Injectors that are black, square, one led, and sell for about $5-$7. This allowed us to have circuit board connecting both Ether jacks for reliability. These models allowed a wiretie to fit between the PS jack and the CAT5 plug, so it could be asilly secured and easilly individually untied in the field. We put one extra one inline for hot spare. Now, we were doing 24v, so You need to confirm the injectors that you selected allowed voltage level for Alvarion. I know the little white half moons, can do 48V no problem. If the standard 802.11 pin-out isn;t what Alvarion uses, then compensate with the pin-out of the Plug crimping on. We then laid them side by side mounted flat to a plywood strip. We actually just screwed the Strip to the rack, because we cut it to reach 19 rack. It could also be glued to a Nema Box back, with construction plywood roof glue. We cut the height of the strip about 6 inches, so we had 2 inched on top and bottom to Staple patch cable in place, with it still having room to unplug. IN one case we used screw in eye hooks, and then just strapped the cable to the eye hook for strain relief. We then took standard two strand wire and soldered the round plugs to them (the kind that the standard POE required). We then took two of those standard screw down DC bus bars (can be ordered from any electrician or electronic store) with like 8-12 screws on thems, and labeled them - and +. Then of course screwed down the wires to them. (Just as easilly we could have soldered the eight wires togeather, so all the cables were like a 8 cable bundled single unit.) We then Used a thicker guage wire, I think it was 16-18 guage and ran that from the Bud Bar to our dedicated power supply. (Many power supply types available). Whether it works is just doing the math of cable Voltage loss, and how much amperage the cable can take. See AWG chart attached. Also see POE calculater at http://www.demarctech.com/techsupport/poecalculate.htm Its importnat to remember that the Voltage loss is different based on the amperage that is occuring at the time, so you don;t want to over power voltage to compensate for the loss, to the extent that an inactive radio would be delviered voltage greater than the radio could accept. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cameron Kilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount All of your questions Tom are important and have taken those into consideration. Right now, I just want to figure out if anybody has done it and how. We have made a POE system that puts out 48volt and it works on the bench with VL units, but when there is a significant cable run it stops working, I guess the important thing to find out is what is the minimum and maximum voltage that can be sent to a Alvarion VL or B radio? -Cameron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount I have got to put a plug in for the SuperRMS. We just installed our second unit. Just a great box for doing DC power control (or AC if you want). Pricey, but very flexibile and powerful. Also has temperature, voltage measurent, alarm contact monitoring, USB port with camera drivers, alert and relay scripting, linux shell and on and on http://www.remotemonitoringsystems.ca/rms2/ Tom DeReggi wrote: There are three questions that come up... 1) Redundancy 2) minimizing impact of failure 3) Ability to remote reboot. We had chosen to stay with individual AC Adapter POE systems, for the above reasons. The individual AC PS adapter plugged into the AC style Digital Logger reboot device. If a PS fails, only one radio dies
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL issue
Can you Breeze config into the AU when it is in this state? If so, can you see the SU's? --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Cameron Kilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Cameron Kilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion VL issue To: wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 9:21 AM I have a 5.8ghz sector running in a fairly nosing environment. From time to time, it stops pass data. I'm able to telnet into this device and see associations, but I cannot ping the or telnet to the client SU's until I reboot the AU-VL. Anybody have any good ideas. I've done some of the easy stuff, change freq, new IDU but no luck so far. Thank You, Cameron Kilton Broadband Department Assistant Systems Administrator Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (207)594-8277 ext. 108 -- -- This e-mail message may contain material that is confidential or proprietary to Midcoast Internet Solutions. If you are not the intended recipient(s) or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender, destroy all copies of this message, and delete this message from your computer. -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL issue
What firmware are you running? the 5.0.18 is supposed to handle noise better. I have been told to turn off automatic noise immunity on our VL. In our case it did help some. Have you run a Spectrum Analysis with the AU? find the quietest channel. Run a real SA, check h-pol too. Ultimately we switched to H-pol on our VL, way less noise. Ryan Cameron Kilton wrote: I have a 5.8ghz sector running in a fairly nosing environment. From time to time, it stops pass data. I'm able to telnet into this device and see associations, but I cannot ping the or telnet to the client SU's until I reboot the AU-VL. Anybody have any good ideas. I've done some of the easy stuff, change freq, new IDU but no luck so far. Thank You, Cameron Kilton Broadband Department Assistant Systems Administrator Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (207)594-8277 ext. 108 -- -- This e-mail message may contain material that is confidential or proprietary to Midcoast Internet Solutions. If you are not the intended recipient(s) or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender, destroy all copies of this message, and delete this message from your computer. -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ryan Langseth System Administrator InvisiMax email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 218.745.6030 Cell: 701.739.1577 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL issue
I have not tried BreezeConfig but in the telnet menu's 4-3-2 I can see SU's associated. -Cameron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL issue Can you Breeze config into the AU when it is in this state? If so, can you see the SU's? --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Cameron Kilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Cameron Kilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion VL issue To: wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 9:21 AM I have a 5.8ghz sector running in a fairly nosing environment. From time to time, it stops pass data. I'm able to telnet into this device and see associations, but I cannot ping the or telnet to the client SU's until I reboot the AU-VL. Anybody have any good ideas. I've done some of the easy stuff, change freq, new IDU but no luck so far. Thank You, Cameron Kilton Broadband Department Assistant Systems Administrator Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (207)594-8277 ext. 108 -- -- This e-mail message may contain material that is confidential or proprietary to Midcoast Internet Solutions. If you are not the intended recipient(s) or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender, destroy all copies of this message, and delete this message from your computer. -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
