Re: [WSG] Centering thumbnails
The hardcoded height and width for the images is meant as an example.
Because the thumbnails are generated from a database (in a next level).
So the images have to fit inside a square of 36x36 pixels. The images
are always scaled to 36px width or 36px height.
But the problem is, I can't find a way to center (vertical and
horizontal) the images in a square of 36px x 36px. I tried with an
extra div (for every thumb) with height and width of 36px, with text
centered and use the images as an inline element.
page: http://www.bonusontwerp.nl/dijdel/etalage/bedrijfsreportage.html
Met vriendelijke groet,
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On 3-jan-05, at 23:05, Collin Davis wrote:
page:
http://www.bonusontwerp.nl/dijdel/etalage/bedrijfsreportage.html
Why not save yourself some code bloat, and use a rule such as:
div.thumbs img{width:36px; height:36px; border:0;}
and clear all of that out of your markup?
(such as img src=../gfx/algemeen/testThumb.jpg alt= height=36
width=36 border=0 /)
That would help solve the problem of typos when doing markup there
also ;)
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[WSG] Sorry looking Guestbook :o(
Would any of you have and idea as to why my guestbook is so narrow and screwed up in IE 6 and Opera? It's using the same html and css as the rest of the site. Looks fine in FF 1. http://bennieshepherd.com/orangeguestbook/powerbook.cgi -- Get Firefox Browser http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesamp;id=6908amp;t=58 Bennie's MIDI Page http://bennieshepherd.com/ Athens, Georgia, Relay For Life http://www.athensrelay.net/ Montrose, Colorado, Relay For Life http://montroserelay.com/ Grand Junction, Colorado, Relay For Life http://grandjunctionrelay.org LZ Friendly Veterans Org http://lzfriendly.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Off-topic - Earthquake/Tsunami help
If you have a blog, why not join BlogAid and offer to donate your site earnings for January to the aid agency of your choice. http://www.blogaid.org.uk/ Andy Budd ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] comment to Creative Commons RDF in comment
Creative Commons gives a bit of XML to paste into your page ...but XML is inside HTML comment. Don't you think it's rather pointless? XML parsers won't pick it up, so if you want to get license info, you have to threat whole file like a tag soup anyway. Do you know tools that read this rdf license? CC search engine? Wouldn't it make more sense, if it was HTML link to proper rdf file? link rel=license type=application/rdf+xml href=my_cc_license.rdf -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] comment to Creative Commons RDF in comment
(copying this to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Kornel Lesinski wrote: Creative Commons gives a bit of XML to paste into your page ...but XML is inside HTML comment. Don't you think it's rather pointless? XML parsers won't pick it up, so if you want to get license info, you have to threat whole file like a tag soup anyway. Completely agree. Seems fairly pointless to hide the whole lot in a comment. Maybe, at a stretch, it's ok when doing HTML, but certainly in XHTML it's useless. Do you know tools that read this rdf license? CC search engine? http://creativecommons.org/technology/challenges has links to a few proofs of concept. Wouldn't it make more sense, if it was HTML link to proper rdf file? link rel=license type=application/rdf+xml href=my_cc_license.rdf Or, similar to the FOAF way: link rel=meta type=application/rdf+xml title=Creative Commons License href=my_cc_license.rdf / -- Patrick H. Lauke _ redux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Gallery markup
Hey everybody, I just asked for some advice on css-d, regarding gallery pages, very similar to www.strombergarchitectural.com/products.php - the same pages I asked for help on with cleaner, more semantic code on this list not too long ago. The advice I received from several people, and agreed with, was to uses lists, which I have done. However, two people on css-d commented about the incorrect use of lists there one person suggested it was tabular data, and should use tables. My thoughts (and some of the thoughts expressed on this list) were that semantically, lists showed the association between the images and text. Tables wouldnt do this. Also, lists are just easier for me to use than tables, and tables create more code weight than do lists. Anybody have thoughts on this? Thanks, Collin Davis - ACE, MCP Web Architect Stromberg Architectural Products p 903.454.0904 f 903.454.3642 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] web www.strombergarchitectural.com
Re: [WSG] Gallery markup
(X)HTML is so dualistic sometimes. Meaning that there are so many ways that work fine but yet they are still not correct. In your case, the extremes argue no tables, period vs tables within tables within tables. The same extreme views apply to lists as well. The best use of (X)HTML is to determine what it is that you're looking at and then use the appropriate code, of course, to standards. If you have a heading and several sub items, use lists. If you have a phrase and sub-info about it, use definition lists. If you have tablular data, use a table. I think what you have is a group of single items that seem to fall in a table-like structure. Now, in my opinion this would be a good use of ALA's Practical CSS Layout Tips, Tricks, Techniques at http://alistapart.com/articles/practicalcss/. Take a look at their use of div's to create the same layout you have. doit4Jesus, Chris Moncus chrismoncus.com AIM: HPPChrisMoncus On Jan 4, 2005, at 12:53 PM, Collin Davis wrote: Hey everybody, I just asked for some advice on css-d, regarding gallery pages, very similar to www.strombergarchitectural.com/products.php - the same pages I asked for help on with cleaner, more semantic code on this list not too long ago. The advice I received from several people, and agreed with, was to uses lists, which I have done. However, two people on css-d commented about the incorrect use of lists there one person suggested it was tabular data, and should use tables. My thoughts (and some of the thoughts expressed on this list) were that semantically, lists showed the association between the images and text. Tables wouldnt do this. Also, lists are just easier for me to use than tables, and tables create more code weight than do lists. Anybody have thoughts on this? Thanks, Collin Davis - ACE, MCP Web Architect Stromberg Architectural Products p 903.454.0904 f 903.454.3642 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] web www.strombergarchitectural.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Gallery markup
Jan Brasna wrote: Well, although definition lists are IMHO OK, I use just anonymous elements (+ headings, paragraphs etc.) - http://wellstyled.com/css-photo-cards.html or http://murphy.cz/hofy/galerie-plavacek.htm Jan, I see how the technique on the two pages you linked to works, and I like it. The only thing I would bring up with regards to the markup is that I really don't see how those elements could be marked up as paragraphs. First off, an image definitely isn't a paragraph. Secondly, I was an English Lit. major in college (which can be hard to believe given the horrible punctuation I use when in a hurry), and we were taught that a paragraph was a unit of language that was *larger* than a sentence. Paragraphs are used to help readers follow story lines, dialogue, focus, etc. I don't see how using p to mark up descriptions of or accompanying links to pictures is correct. Thanks for your input, and I would love some more thoughts regarding the markup! Collin Davis - ACE, MCP Web Architect Stromberg Architectural Products p 903.454.0904 f 903.454.3642 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] web www.strombergarchitectural.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Need help with the list style
Ted Drake wrote: I didn't see it on another computer, but it keeps showing up on my screen. I've hit shift-refresh. Perhaps it is just a bug on my box. Is there a better way to refresh the css cache on IE? Thanks Te IE and Firefox's complete reload shortcut key combo is Ctrl + F5 AFAIK/IIRC, It was Netscape (pre-Mozilla) that used Shift + F5 If you want to save time, just change the HTTP headers of your server to set everything to automatically expire, so it reloads everything anyway. Saves me a lot of hassel, but just remember to change it back when you're done, you don't want site visitors downloading 20kb of HTML, CSS, and images every time they click a link do we? ;) -- -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Gallery markup
Chris, Thanks for your response. It's funny - before I went to using unordered lists for this, I had been using ALA's recommendation. However I wasn't very happy with it semantically. Ted Drake made this distinction: With the current div setup, you have information but there is no connection between the data. Marc Broad also had similar thoughts: In the div example - the code in place for presentational hooks are rather meaningless. A div is the Tupperware of the html world. Effectively it is a container to hold content. In your case, the extremes argue no tables, period vs tables within tables within tables. I don't agree with either position - I think tables should be used when displaying tabular data, but definitely not overused as is the case when using tables for presentation. I can see the position that views a gallery page as tabular data, however I can't see how there's justification for using tables when they create more code weight than lists, and don't really show the association between the picture and the description/link/information/etc. the same way lists (whether ordered, unordered or definition) do. Thanks, Collin Davis - ACE, MCP Web Architect Stromberg Architectural Products p 903.454.0904 f 903.454.3642 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] web www.strombergarchitectural.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Shedding Holiday Pounds
The Bo$$ wrote: If you can, you should try switching to a bigger resolution. It's much better, and you'll wonder how you ever survived using 800x600. My guess is that he tested it at 800x600 res, which makes perfect sense. And 800x600 resolution can be useful for detail work in Photoshop or Illustrator when you're using a small resolution ...Or when you're completely (shall we say intoxicated? ;) ) and you don't want to squint to see text (you could always increase font size, but not all windows applications respect the custom DPI setting. (Control Panel Display Settings Advanced General Custom DPI) -- -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs
Hello all, Can anyone tell me if server-side includes - ColdFusion specifically - would adversely effect search engines/spiders at all? An SEO company we are trying is telling us that our CF includes will effect our SE rankings. TIA Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site check please!! Oh, you MAC people ... are you getting sick of me yet? ;~)
You have some problems on PC/FF as well...
The position:relative on the footer produces the horizontal scrollbar
on my PC. Furthermore something is wrong with your style sheet... I
don't get the footer bg img and the arrows, green side bar etc.
BTW... what is this style doing?
* {
padding:0;
margin:0;
border:0;
}
Kim
David R wrote:
Mani Sheriar wrote:
Hi All,
I have another request for a site check and, once again, Mac users are
especially needed.
Please see: http://www.manisheriar.com/globalrocket/indexNEW.htm
On Firefox 1.0 Win32, I get a horizontal scrollbar untill I increase
the browser window size beyond 1100 pixels wide
Renders fine in IE6 Win32.
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[WSG] Re: Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs
My apologies for the _very OT_ topic. I got my lists mixed up... :-P If you happen to have any insight on this however, off-list replies are welcome. Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com On Jan 4, 2005, at 2:02 PM, Tom Livingston wrote: Hello all, Can anyone tell me if server-side includes - ColdFusion specifically - would adversely effect search engines/spiders at all? An SEO company we are trying is telling us that our CF includes will effect our SE rankings. TIA Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Fwd: [WSG] Gallery markup
On Jan 4, 2005, at 1:57 PM, Collin Davis wrote: I don't agree with either position - I think tables should be used when displaying tabular data, but definitely not overused as is the case when using tables for presentation. Sorry, I left out the sentence that I meant to say And neither of those extremes are correct. I feel the same way about tables as you do. doit4Jesus, Chris Moncus chrismoncus.com AIM: HPPChrisMoncus ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Gallery markup
The only thing I would bring up with regards to the markup is that I really don't see how those elements could be marked up as paragraphs. I definitely agree with you Collin. I just want to show this as an example how to structure it in a different way than by some types of lists. It is neither an ideal nor the only solution... I personally like the definiton lists here, but I can't decide whether they are semantically correct for this use... (PS: I'm sorry for my English, I hope you can understand it...) -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs
Can anyone tell me if server-side includes - ColdFusion specifically - would adversely effect search engines/spiders at all? I can't see how - the includes are parsed by the server before the page is completely rendered to the UA, just as PHP. Any content or links in the includes would be fully spiderable by bots, because they would be served the parsed and rendered page the same as any browser. Collin Davis - ACE, MCP Web Architect Stromberg Architectural Products p 903.454.0904 f 903.454.3642 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] web www.strombergarchitectural.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs
Right... The bot can't find out, if the page is a static HTML file or dynamically generated output by some sort of server-side technology... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Gallery markup
Collin Davis wrote: Tables wouldnt do this. Also, lists are just easier for me to use than tables, and tables create more code weight than do lists. Anybody have thoughts on this? Well, for me, the deciding factor on using a table is if the elements contained in the table are 2 dimensional. In other words, can they be grouped in two dimensions. For example, a list of population grouped by cities AND age ranges would be two dimensional and would satisfy the requirement for a table. However, you could define a list of population counts grouped by city as two dimensional since one column would have the city name and the other have the population count. Thus, if there is no way to group the elements by row AND column, then it is not tabular data and is just a list. For example, I might provide a table of photos if it were grouped such as follows: Photo Album Year | Vacation | Xmas | School 2004 | pic| pic | pic 2003 | pic| pic | pic 2002 | pic| pic | pic I know this is a crude example and could be handled differently, but since this can be grouped in two dimensions, a table is the best choice. Else, I personally stick with a List. _ Charles Martin http://www.webcudgel.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs
JohnyB wrote: Right... The bot can't find out, if the page is a static HTML file or dynamically generated output by some sort of server-side technology... One can easily establish that by looking at the HTTP response times, the file extension (if content negotiation, NSAPI/ISAPI filters, or HTTPRequestHandlers aren't enabled) Or just by timing the request... if the response took longer than a static HTML document did then one can assume that it was generated by a server (of course, network lag can play a part, but generally the server sends the HTTP header confirming receipt of the request ASAP, as to prevent the client from going all timed outty at the server and closing the connection.) With ASP.Net being the exception of course, memory-recalled and compiled pages can sometimes be loaded faster than static HTML. But this shouldn't concern SEO people. The important thing is to minimize use of traditional HTTP GET querystrings, as many engines ignore URLs beginning with them, which is to say... use negociated URLs (such as www.domain.tld/pages/somepage/somequery rather than www.domain.tld/pages.cfml?somepagesomefield=somequery) HTH -- -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Gallery markup
Collin Davis wrote:
I just asked for some advice on css-d, regarding gallery pages, very
similar to www.strombergarchitectural.com/products.php
http://www.strombergarchitectural.com/products.php - the same pages I
asked for help on with cleaner, more semantic code on this list not too
long ago. The advice I received from several people, and agreed with,
was to uses lists, which I have done. However, two people on css-d
commented about the incorrect use of lists there one person
suggested it was tabular data, and should use tables.
Hi,
I like lists for stuff like this too; however, I prefer definition lists
over unordered list. While CSS can be used to add presentation to any
list, when CSS is off, unordered lists do little to convey any meaning
or priority. Definition lists, even with CSS off, will continue to
convey a reasonable sense of item grouping and precedence. Combined
with the title attribute, you can easily create lists that are pretty
darned clear.
I would use something like this:
style type=text/css
dl {
border: 1px solid #BDBEC1;
margin: 0;
padding: 5px 15px;
width: 100px;
}
dt {
margin: 0 0 5px 0;
padding: 0;
}
dd {
margin: 5px 0 0 0;
padding: 0;
}
/style
dl title=Digital Image Album
dt title=Album TitleQuoins/dt
dd title=An image of a...img src=quoins.jpg alt= width=100
height=100/dd
dd title=The description of a...Description/dd
/dl
Of course, I'm still trying to figure this out for myself, but I think
this is a good method given what we have to work with.
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[WSG] being framed!
Hello all, I'm having a bit of trouble using frames without a border and getting the frameset to validate. OK, throw your prejudices about frames to one side (I believe there are times when the advantages outweigh the disadvantages) as I've heard them many times and, at least for now, I want to use them. It's a simple frameset, viz: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Frameset//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/frameset.dtd; head titleself catering holidays around Padstow/title meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 /head frameset rows=* cols=144,* frame src=menu.html name=menuframe frameborder=0 scrolling=no noresize marginwidth=0 marginheight=0 id=menuframe frame src=rhhmain.html name=rhhmain frameborder=0 scrolling=auto noresize marginwidth=0 marginheight=0 id=rhhmain noframesThis where the other stuff will go. /noframes /frameset /html I'd like to be able to take this markup, control the border(s) with a bit of CSS, but I can't seem to make anything work - I've googled away and found nothing. Even the W3C Please help - even if it's only to tell me it's not possible! Many thanks, Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Gallery markup
Charles Martin wrote: Well, for me, the deciding factor on using a table is if the elements contained in the table are 2 dimensional. In other words, can they be grouped in two dimensions. For example, a list of population grouped by cities AND age ranges would be two dimensional and would satisfy the requirement for a table. However, you could define a list of population counts grouped by city as two dimensional since one column would have the city name and the other have the population count. Thus, if there is no way to group the elements by row AND column, then it is not tabular data and is just a list. That's probably one of the best ways I've heard to look at it yet. Collin Davis - ACE, MCP Web Architect Stromberg Architectural Products p 903.454.0904 f 903.454.3642 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] web www.strombergarchitectural.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Gallery markup
Jan Brasna wrote: (PS: I'm sorry for my English, I hope you can understand it...) Your English is far better than my Czech ;) Cheers, Collin Davis - ACE, MCP Web Architect Stromberg Architectural Products p 903.454.0904 f 903.454.3642 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] web www.strombergarchitectural.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] being framed!
This link should help. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/present/frames.html Look for inline frames: the IFRAME element. On Tuesday, January 4, 2005, at 01:53 PM, designer wrote: Hello all, I'm having a bit of trouble using frames without a border and getting the frameset to validate. OK, throw your prejudices about frames to one side (I believe there are times when the advantages outweigh the disadvantages) as I've heard them many times and, at least for now, I want to use them. It's a simple frameset, viz: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Frameset//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/frameset.dtd; head titleself catering holidays around Padstow/title meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 /head frameset rows=* cols=144,* frame src=menu.html name=menuframe frameborder=0 scrolling=no noresize marginwidth=0 marginheight=0 id=menuframe frame src=rhhmain.html name=rhhmain frameborder=0 scrolling=auto noresize marginwidth=0 marginheight=0 id=rhhmain noframesThis where the other stuff will go. /noframes /frameset /html I'd like to be able to take this markup, control the border(s) with a bit of CSS, but I can't seem to make anything work - I've googled away and found nothing. Even the W3C Please help - even if it's only to tell me it's not possible! Many thanks, Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs
Why? Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com On Jan 4, 2005, at 3:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On search engines like Google there will be an adverse effect on optimization when using coldfusion. Remember Google is a Hypertextual Web Search Engine ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs
On search engines like Google there will be an adverse effect on optimization when using coldfusion. Remember Google is a Hypertextual Web Search Engine http://www-db.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html I was ignoring this thread as off-topic, but this brings up an on-topic point. ColdFusion outputs html. As does PHP, JSP, ASP, shtml, and all the rest. Google and other search engines do not look at the file extension, but at the MIME-type that is delivered; ColdFusion is sent as text/html. The reason they watch the MIME-type is that those are standardized, whereas file extensions are merely conventions. I could serve all my pages as .jpg and my images as .txt, and only a couple foolish browsers would have a problem (you are free to guess which). In fact, I serve all my ColdFusion pages as .html because I migrated a static site to ColdFusion and it was easier to tell Apache to send .html file to ColdFusion than to change all the extensions and links. -- Ben Curtis WebSciences International http://www.websciences.org/ v: (310) 478-6648 f: (310) 235-2067 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Gallery markup
Paul Novitski wrote: At 11:34 AM 1/4/05, Charles Martin wrote: Tables wouldn't do this. Also, lists are just easier for me to use than tables, and tables create more code weight than do lists. Anybody have thoughts on this? Well, for me, the deciding factor on using a table is if the elements contained in the table are 2 dimensional. I agree with you, however for the sake of completeness let me add that two-dimensionality doesn't mandate tables per se. A definition list is also two-dimensional -- N rows by N columns, with the structural peculiarity that first column is DT (inline) and the subsequent 1-N columns are DDs (block), structurally resembling a table in which the first cell of each row is a TH. Very good catch, Paul. I agree with you completely. I guess I was so bent on pointing out that if the group of elements fails the test that it is not a table. However, I did forget that other groups of elements may meet the two-dimensional status (such as definition lists as you point out) and are also not a table. Almost sounds like we need to put together a decision tree :) _ Charles Martin http://www.webcudgel.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs
Collin Davis wrote: Google can, and others are going to be joining them soon. It's a simple matter of using the Flash Search Engine SDK - it includes an application called swf2html which dumps out text and links from .swf files and returns as html. When I put Flash in my documents, I am guilty of serving different content to Google and other bots. I do a simple show region that contains the HTML equivalent of the Flash content. Not that I do anything like that anymore, aparently Googlebot indexes you site twice...once using the Googlebot UA string, and again using the MSIE6 UA string and notes the differences. *takes off tin-foil hat* ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs
Ben Curtis wrote: In fact, I serve all my ColdFusion pages as .html because I migrated a static site to ColdFusion and it was easier to tell Apache to send .html file to ColdFusion than to change all the extensions and links. Wouldn't that cause a processing overhead if you ever wanted to serve a non CFML page? -- -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:14:25 +, David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben Curtis wrote: In fact, I serve all my ColdFusion pages as .html because I migrated a static site to ColdFusion and it was easier to tell Apache to send .html file to ColdFusion than to change all the extensions and links. Wouldn't that cause a processing overhead if you ever wanted to serve a non CFML page? Sure. although, a page with no CF content would probably be passed through quite quickly unless the server was under a heavy load elsewhere. I've done similar things for virtual hosts migrating all old static html to new php. Not the cleanest fix, but it does work. ~j -- Jonathan T. Sage Theatrical Lighting / Set Designer Professional Web Design [HTTP://www.JTSage.com] [HTTP://design.JTSage.com] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] semantic markup for song chart?
Hi, What do you people reckon should be the semantic markup for a song chart ala Billboard Top 40? Sample here: http://www.i-bands.net/charts.php (no, I don't own this site so I can't add a doctype etc etc) It's a list of songs, so ol is the gut reaction. But what about the information within each song listing? table within a li? Keen to find out what you guys think... Thanks Wong ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] semantic markup for song chart?
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 05:17:37 +0800, Wong Chin Shin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a list of songs, so ol is the gut reaction. But what about the information within each song listing? table within a li? Best for me is an ol with in that per song a dl. -- Cheers, Rob. » http://zooibaai.nl ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] being framed!
designer wrote: I'm having a bit of trouble using frames without a border and getting the frameset to validate. This may be of interest http://www.stopdesign.com/log/2003/03/04/swf_seeking_vwm.html For the lazy ones, the conclusion: Assuming we must continue to use frames, and that the default stretch marks between frames are unacceptable, the alternative is to give up validation for the frameset file -- Patrick H. Lauke _ redux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] List decision tree [was: Gallery markup]
Tables wouldn't do this. Also, lists are just easier for me to use than tables, and tables create more code weight than do lists. Anybody have thoughts on this? Well, for me, the deciding factor on using a table is if the elements contained in the table are 2 dimensional. I agree with you, however for the sake of completeness let me add that two-dimensionality doesn't mandate tables per se. A definition list is also two-dimensional -- N rows by N columns, with the structural peculiarity that first column is DT (inline) and the subsequent 1-N columns are DDs (block), structurally resembling a table in which the first cell of each row is a TH. Very good catch, Paul. I agree with you completely. I guess I was so bent on pointing out that if the group of elements fails the test that it is not a table. However, I did forget that other groups of elements may meet the two-dimensional status (such as definition lists as you point out) and are also not a table. Almost sounds like we need to put together a decision tree :) Re: decision tree. I'd love to help with this. One contribution (that may be off-base): definition lists are two-dimensional, but only with two columns and unlimited rows. This is because the dt's are all related (the are all terms), but the first dd of each block is no more related than any random dd from each block -- dd's are unordered, and so all the group of all dd's in a block are related to all dd's in another block as definition data. My decision tree revolves around what relationships matter and have meaning. This is sort of what I go through: Do otherwise separate-but-similar items gain meaning in a group? Consider a list. Are all items equivalent, and only relate to the group? Consider an unordered list. Are all items equivalent, and they all relate back to a single thing? Consider a definition list with a single definition term. Is there meaning contained in the order in which the items are listed? Does the meaning change if the order changes? Consider an ordered list. If you have more than one list, and the lists relate to each other in some manner, consider nesting lists such that the relationship is represented by a list as per the above choices. Are all list groups equivalent, and each is a definition list? Consider making a single definition list with multiple terms. Are you considering ordered lists nested within an ordered list? Is there a relationship between items at the same depth but of different lists? Consider instead using a table and represent this meaning as rows and columns. -- Ben Curtis WebSciences International http://www.websciences.org/ v: (310) 478-6648 f: (310) 235-2067 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[Fwd: Re: [WSG] comment to Creative Commons RDF in comment]
Mike Linksvayer wrote: Patrick H. Lauke wrote: link rel=meta type=application/rdf+xml title=Creative Commons License href=my_cc_license.rdf / You can do that, as suggested at http://creativecommons.org/technology/metadata/extend#link Wikipedia publishes CC-compatible metadata (for the GFDL) in this manner and mozCC http://yergler.net/projects/mozcc reads it. So why the ugly-rdf-in-html-comments hack? Because we give users one block of text to copy into their web page, see textarea at http://creativecommons.org/license/results-one?license_code=by for example. Users needn't even be aware that they're getting some metadata in addition to the html for including a some rights reserved button in their pages. I hope that eventually RDF/A or similar will allow us to publish metadata that isn't embedded in comments and still does not require any additional awareness or action on the part of licensors. I replied to Mike, thanking him for the answer...but also pointing out that the information architecture on the CC site is abysmal. Why the heck is good info like the one about the LINK element buried away like that, and not even mentioned on the how to tag your pages bit, where it would really make sense? -- Patrick H. Lauke _ redux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] semantic markup for song chart?
Wong Chin Shin wrote: What do you people reckon should be the semantic markup for a song chart ala Billboard Top 40? Table, without a doubt. Make sure it's properly marked up, too (with THEAD, proper THs, scope, TBODY) It's a list of songs, so ol is the gut reaction. But what about the information within each song listing? table within a li? That makes no sense, imho. To do it properly, you'd also end up with a table with two rows in each LI (one row with the headings, one with the data), which is just ludicrous. -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] List decision tree [was: Gallery markup]
Ben Curtis wrote: Re: decision tree. I'd love to help with this. My decision tree revolves around what relationships matter and have meaning. This is sort of what I go through: I think your questions go in exactly the direction I was thinking when I suggested the decision tree (which popped out of my head due to unknown circumstances). So many books about web standards start with the HTML elements and describe how they should be best used. This decision tree starts from the other end... what do you have?... oh... then put it into this HTML structure over here... next. Now, were this tree to be more thoroughly documented (i.e., via flowchart in a Visio[-like] product, or develop an outline based on the type of information being classified, or whatever), what does everyone suggest as the best choice to make this easily usable and viewable by all? Also, does anyone know of some resource such as this already existing? I'm already kinda excited about this... it's been right in front of our face... so many people asking how something should be classified on this list and we have to go through the same arguments over and over when pointing to a simple decision tree could eliminate some of that. _ Charles Martin http://www.webcudgel.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Centering thumbnails
Had the same problem with my holiday snaps :o)
Check out http://www.grafx.com.au/dik/region.html?MuiNe-1-21 for an example
of how it's done.
Hope this helps :o)
R
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Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Centering thumbnails
The hardcoded height and width for the images is meant as an example.
Because the thumbnails are generated from a database (in a next level).
So the images have to fit inside a square of 36x36 pixels. The images
are always scaled to 36px width or 36px height.
But the problem is, I can't find a way to center (vertical and
horizontal) the images in a square of 36px x 36px. I tried with an
extra div (for every thumb) with height and width of 36px, with text
centered and use the images as an inline element.
page: http://www.bonusontwerp.nl/dijdel/etalage/bedrijfsreportage.html
Met vriendelijke groet,
Best regards,
Jorg Tiemens
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On 3-jan-05, at 23:05, Collin Davis wrote:
page:
http://www.bonusontwerp.nl/dijdel/etalage/bedrijfsreportage.html
Why not save yourself some code bloat, and use a rule such as:
div.thumbs img{width:36px; height:36px; border:0;}
and clear all of that out of your markup?
(such as img src=../gfx/algemeen/testThumb.jpg alt= height=36
width=36 border=0 /)
That would help solve the problem of typos when doing markup there
also ;)
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CLOSED Re: [WSG] Search Engines/Spiders and SSIs
Hi all. As Tom has suggested, no more on this subject on the list please. Thanks James -- admin On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:30:47 -0500, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, Before the paddle is wielded, I remind that I did quickly post a reply to my initial post stating this was OT and I posted to the wrong list. If you care to comment, please do so off-list. Once again, sorry for the OT-ness, Moms... Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)
Hello Group. Happy New Year! I have a site that just went live: http://www.willlange.com/. There are 5 pages that have external links that cause the page not to validate. These links are called into an iFrame to give search results for real estate product. In the past when I have had this problem with external links, I've used URL Cleaner: http://automaticlabs.com/products/urlcleaner/ to clean up the code and then validate the pages. The problem I'm having now is the URL Cleaner doesn't even help because it causes errors with the search results. What do I do at this point? Is there a way to fix the problem or do I have to admit defeat and have 5 pages that don't validate? The latter annoys me. Here is one of the pages as an example (all 5 pages have the same links so fixing one will do the trick): http://www.willlange.com/listluxury.html Thanks! Shane Helm sonzeDesignStudio www.sonze.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)
Why have that info in an iframe? Why not just a div? (pardon my ignorance I dont know much about iframes) Mani Sheriar Sheriar Designs | www.ManiSheriar.com 925|914.0741
Re: [WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)
= amp; -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)
Shane Helm wrote: I have a site that just went live: http://www.willlange.com/. There are 5 pages that have external links that cause the page not to validate. Change to amp;, e.g. http://www.pcmls.com/willlange/cgi-bin/aa.fcgi?aacmd=resultsamp;id=dauckfamp;r=1amp;f=0amp;t=0 -- Patrick H. Lauke _ redux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)
= amp; -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com I tried amp; but it doesn't work for these external links to this particular external website. That's the whole issue. Shane Helm sonzeDesignStudio www.sonze.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)
Change to amp;, e.g. http://www.pcmls.com/willlange/cgi-bin/aa.fcgi?aacmd=resultsamp; id=dauckfamp;r=1amp;f=0amp;t=0 -- Patrick H. Lauke Did you test this link you just sent me because it doesn't work? That's the issue. When you change to amp; the link no longer works. I am very familiar with the practice but it does not work with the site I am linking to. Shane Helm sonzeDesignStudio www.sonze.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)
Shane Helm wrote: I tried amp; but it doesn't work for these external links to this particular external website. That's the whole issue. It *does* work. A browser translates the amp; into an when making the request, there's nothing involving the particular external site that would come into account. You didn't try double encoding them by any chance? I had to point it out the mistake to somebody once http://www.nota-bene.org/breve94.html -- Patrick H. Lauke _ redux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)
Change to amp;, e.g. http://www.pcmls.com/willlange/cgi-bin/aa.fcgi?aacmd=resultsamp; id=dauckfamp;r=1amp;f=0amp;t=0 Did you test this link you just sent me because it doesn't work? It works fine... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Is sending abusive spam doing standards good or harm?
I've been reading my digests after a small holiday and I came across this link posted a few days ago for moronic designers to be sent. Is this really a good idea? http://members.optusnet.com.au/~night.owl/morons.html I mean I'm pro web standards etc and in all honestly I'd read the first bit and see idiot and moron and it'd hit the bin, so the writer even lost me. Effective design principles would dictate that the whole point of the page is to get the information to the target audience, but really does it? Its offensively written, rude, long and even a bit angry As far as the standards movement goes I actually think that such offensive behaviour would have to be more detrimental to the cause than good, closing minds and eyes to reason with an abusive introduction. Honestly if someone sent you a link saying you're a moron would you think its more valid than any other spam? I only mention it because it was posted with next to no comment and its really an important issue. If we want to be seen as professionals then a certain level of professionalism should apply, I'm sure that being inclusive, educational and helpful would be more to the spirit of a universal web than throwing stones. But that's only my opinion I suppose, and no more valid than that beyond the link. Food for thought. Steven Clark Norty Pig Web Development http://www.nortypig.com http://www.blog.nortypig.com _ SEEK: Now with over 60,000 dream jobs! Click here: http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Is sending abusive spam doing standards good or harm?
Steven, I agree with you. The message about web standards is important, but pages like the one linked to only serves to aggravate and insult. Companies or individuals responsible for managing sites that are poorly constructed do not need to be treated in this manner. A more friendly, educational approach without the condescending tone and insulting language would work a lot better. You catch more bees with honey and all that jazz. Ntalie On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 01:33:26 +, Steven Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP http://members.optusnet.com.au/~night.owl/morons.html As far as the standards movement goes I actually think that such offensive behaviour would have to be more detrimental to the cause than good, closing minds and eyes to reason with an abusive introduction. Honestly if someone sent you a link saying you're a moron would you think its more valid than any other spam? ... If we want to be seen as professionals then a certain level of professionalism should apply, I'm sure that being inclusive, educational and helpful would be more to the spirit of a universal web than throwing stones. ... -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Is sending abusive spam doing standards good or harm?
Steven Clark wrote: I only mention it because it was posted with next to no comment and its really an important issue. It's quite possible that I either missed the email, deleted it, or it was sent before I registered with this list. I had wondered why the moderator had to send an email reminding us of our choice of language and I thought some of the statements in that web page were offensive and inappropriate. Now I think I know what that email had been referring to. If I had seen that message, I would have responded myself. Thanks for pointing this out, Steven. _ Charles Martin http://www.webcudgel.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Can't get image and text to line up in unordered list...
Title: Can't get image and text to line up in unordered list...
Kay,
I get a DNS timeout error when trying to access your
link.
Graham
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Murphey,
KaySent: Wednesday, 5 January 2005 11:48 AMTo:
'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org'Subject: [WSG] Can't get image and text to
line up in unordered list...
Hello all,
I'm having trouble with styling unordered
lists. Am trying to get a thumbnail image to line up horizontally with
some descriptive text. I have spent hours trying one suggestion after
another - and I am close, but not there yet.
Can't quite grasp what is keeping the text on a
separate line - I was hoping that display: inline would do the trick...
Please view my test page at http://www.community.nsw.gov.au/list_test.htm Any suggestions gratefully received and
trialled.
The style sheet is very simple for this test:
ol, ul, li {margin: 0; padding: 0;}
#byitem { width: 400px; margin-left: 200px;
}
#byitem ul.horz { float: left; list-style-type:
none;} #byitem ul.horz li { float: left;
width: 45px; } #byitem ul.horz li.name {
width: 300px; margin-left: 70px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 14px; border-bottom: 1px solid #999;
display: inline;}
Thanks for any help.
Kay
MurpheyWeb
ManagerDept of Community Services
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Re: [WSG] Is sending abusive spam doing standards good or harm?
Steven Clark wrote: I've been reading my digests after a small holiday and I came across this link posted a few days ago for moronic designers to be sent. Is this really a good idea? Of course it's not. It says a lot about the intellectual level and elitist head firmly up my recharge socket attitude of the page's author. And yes, it's detrimental, as the aggressive, offensive language only helps to obscure the actual information (in the same vein that, say, extremist religious fanaticism isn't about the actual religion, but about why my god(s) is/are better than yours). Maybe night owl needs to get a few emails about proper etiquette and maybe even the basics of human interaction (if you start an argument by calling somebody a moron, don't expect them to listen to you) to get a taste of his own medicine... -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Is sending abusive spam doing standards good or harm?
Hi All The WSG Core group are with you guys 100% here. No foul language, abuse, negativity or other offensive behaviour will be tolerated on the list. We do our best to keep an eye on things and deal with in appropriate behaviour by contacting those concerned directly. If you have any specific concerns please forward them to info@webboy.net or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just one other thing I like to point out - the page in question has been online for a lot longer than the WSG list and, to the best of my knowledge, it was not written by a list member. However posting the link to the list was probably not the best idea. -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Is sending abusive spam doing standards good or harm?
I never meant to actually complain about anyone on the list or the list itself, I apologise to anyone I've offended who may think I'm pointing at them. I simply meant to point in the direction of what I see as a bad practise of pushing the right wheelbarrow the wrong way. I know the companies I've had anything to do with move slowly and cautiously and can be scared away quite easily with new ideas. Only after a year to two years am I getting a bit of response back indicating they've actually changed their ways, and the same for local web design firms. But trying to bully them into change isn't the way to get them to do anything. They make money already and don't need me. They tend to slowly absorb what I say and echo it back months later as their own after they've privately done some homework. But no I wasn't complaining about list members or posts in themselves, sorry. Its good to have a wide variety of ideas in any forum environment to maintain valid and balanced views. God help us all if we all thought like me, for instance. Steven Clark Norty Pig Web Development http://www.nortypig.com http://www.blog.nortypig.com _ Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for all your property needs. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] IE PC Problem with
My problem is only in IE on the PC. This is the last issue I am having problems with on this site. I can't figure it out but am hoping I am forgetting something simple. On this page: http://www.willlange.com/index.html between the top button that says SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER and the 12px tan border of the header bar there is a green space where those 2 graphics aren't lining up. Got any reason why this is a problem? Can it simply be fixed in the external CSS file without changing every page of the site? Example URL: http://www.willlange.com/index.html Image example of problem with text pointing to the problem: http://willlange.com/gap/gap.html CSS file: http://www.willlange.com/css/master.css Thanks a ton! Shane Helm sonzeDesignStudio www.sonze.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE PC Problem with
Shane Helm wrote: http://www.willlange.com/index.html between the top button that says SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER and the 12px tan border of the header bar there is a green space where those 2 graphics aren't lining up. Got any reason why this is a problem? Can it simply be fixed in the external CSS file without changing every page of the site? Ouch, that page takes an awfully loong time to load (and that's with flash blocked) However... That's not what you were asking about. Try putting the image map (if it's really necessary to use that), somewhere else in the document, rather than in the flow, or remove the spaces inside the map.../map. Seems that's the cause of the problem. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] IE PC Problem with
I can't find a problem with the lineup - looks fine to me on IE6. I have a problem however with the Flash menu bar in the top panel. Using the keyboard the tab order is all over the place. Eg Featured Developments goes to first 2 child tabs then back to parent, then to last 2 tabs, About our team will not tab to either child item. Otherwise - LOVE THE SITE Graham -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Helm Sent: Wednesday, 5 January 2005 1:59 PM To: Web Standards Group Subject: [WSG] IE PC Problem with My problem is only in IE on the PC. This is the last issue I am having problems with on this site. I can't figure it out but am hoping I am forgetting something simple. On this page: http://www.willlange.com/index.html between the top button that says SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER and the 12px tan border of the header bar there is a green space where those 2 graphics aren't lining up. Got any reason why this is a problem? Can it simply be fixed in the external CSS file without changing every page of the site? Example URL: http://www.willlange.com/index.html Image example of problem with text pointing to the problem: http://willlange.com/gap/gap.html CSS file: http://www.willlange.com/css/master.css Thanks a ton! Shane Helm sonzeDesignStudio(tm) www.sonze.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE PC Problem with
Otherwise - LOVE THE SITE I agree. However, the main menu doesn't work in FF 0.9.3... And the problem in IE - try to use some IE-only rules (* html foo) to adjust it. -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE PC Problem with
Bert Doorn wrote: Try putting the image map (if it's really necessary to use that), somewhere else in the document, rather than in the flow, or remove the spaces inside the map.../map. Seems that's the cause of the problem. I made these changes but I am not near a PC at the moment. Could you check this page http://www.willlange.com/index.html to see if the problem is corrected (that no gap exists now). Thanks, Shane Helm sonzeDesignStudio www.sonze.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE PC Problem with
Shane Helm wrote: I made these changes but I am not near a PC at the moment. Could you check this page http://www.willlange.com/index.html to see if the problem is corrected (that no gap exists now). From what I can tell (having looked at the website before you made this change and after, the gap is gone when I view it in IE6. -- _ Charles Martin http://www.webcudgel.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Is sending abusive spam doing standards good or harm?
Steven Clark wrote: I've been reading my digests after a small holiday and I came across this link posted a few days ago for moronic designers to be sent. Is this really a good idea? http://members.optusnet.com.au/~night.owl/morons.html I mean I'm pro web standards etc and in all honestly I'd read the first bit and see idiot and moron and it'd hit the bin, so the writer even lost me. Effective design principles would dictate that the whole point of the page is to get the information to the target audience, but really does it? Its offensively written, rude, long and even a bit angry As far as the standards movement goes I actually think that such offensive behaviour would have to be more detrimental to the cause than good, closing minds and eyes to reason with an abusive introduction. Honestly if someone sent you a link saying you're a moron would you think its more valid than any other spam? I only mention it because it was posted with next to no comment and its really an important issue. If we want to be seen as professionals then a certain level of professionalism should apply, I'm sure that being inclusive, educational and helpful would be more to the spirit of a universal web than throwing stones. But that's only my opinion I suppose, and no more valid than that beyond the link. Food for thought. Steven Clark Norty Pig Web Development http://www.nortypig.com http://www.blog.nortypig.com _ SEEK: Now with over 60,000 dream jobs! Click here: http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** If that is how the author wanted to write the document they have a right to do so. Its not like its automatically endorsed by the WSG or as it it sets some kind of precedent. I feel that its fairly obvious that the document is intended to capture peoples interest by being entertaining, while you may not find it funny i am surprised that you did not see this intent. In some ways while I don't think its the best read it is a refreshing change. A lot of web design publications have become fairly stale in an attempt to perhaps over professionalize them. Etc, Im sure you get the idea. Anyway thats just how I feel about this. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Is sending abusive spam doing standards good or harm?
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~night.owl/morons.html Effective design principles would dictate that the whole point of the page is to get the information to the target audience, but really does it? Its offensively written, rude, long and even a bit angry I've seen this page before and had a good laugh at it - personally I see it more as someone having a major vent about the web design habits which drive them crazy. Obviously it's rude - I seriously doubt it was written as a serious attempt to change anybody's ways. Your point is good though - anyone seriously expecting results would be crazy to take such an approach. -- --- http://cheshrkat.blogspot.com/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] being framed!
I'm having a bit of trouble using frames without a border and getting the frameset to validate. This may be of interest http://www.stopdesign.com/log/2003/03/04/swf_seeking_vwm.html Hard as it is to accept, borderless framesets just won't validate. The best thing to do is go for something which is accessible but doesn't validate. Anecdotally, so long as your framesets aren't too complex and they are titled properly, it shouldn't be a big deal for special-needs users. It's probably the only time I would ever give up on valid code :) -- --- http://cheshrkat.blogspot.com/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] List decision tree [was: Gallery markup]
Charles Martin wrote: Now, were this tree to be more thoroughly documented (i.e., via flowchart in a Visio[-like] product, or develop an outline based on the type of information being classified, or whatever), what does everyone suggest as the best choice to make this easily usable and viewable by all? Also, does anyone know of some resource such as this already existing? I've started a new PHPBB forum on my website (link listed below) where this topic could be expanded upon and hopefully produce some results soon. Just look for the link wc.com forum in the menu to get there. It's too late tonight for me to do much more customization of it at this point. Quick and dirty to keep from letting the topic get stale. _ Charles Martin http://www.webcudgel.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
