Re: [WSG] CMS review
Me, personally, I wouldn't use a CMS that produced mark-up like that. Especially not when I know there are others out there that will do a better job (haven't explored Powerfront too closely to find out whether it's possible to alter the output mark-up). I'd have to ask though: why are you looking at Powerfront if you've worked with people who produce better sites using other CMSs? On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:57:56 +1000, alysia hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I have just discovered this australian based company Powerfront. I am really interested in some feedback. I'm a graphic designer, and I have worked with developers that build wonderful standards compliant websites with a CMS. I have looked at the source code of Powerfront websites, which appears to have a lot of syling in the html pages, rather than in a CSS file. From a 'non programming' person, this doesn't look very standards compliant. My question is, Is it standards compliant? If not, does that matter? Can anyone fault these websites? I have the up most regard for the WSG, and all those in the industry creating conferences, speaking publicly, writing articles etc on making code better for all concerned, but leaving that aside, does anyone have any critisisms about this CMS (other than the fact that it might not be compliant?) Here is an example website which I think is pretty good http://www.goodshepvic.org.au/ Here is the company website http://www.powerfront.com/ Any Powerfront employees, I welcome your feedback too! thanks, alysia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design http://www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CMS review
Please consider that a cms is a tool too allow people to add there own content. So the inline styling may in fact be added by the end user. For the example site linked to - http://www.goodshepvic.org.au/ - I didn't even get as far down to what might've been user entered content. Incomplete doctype, tables-based layout, bloated CSS with class names that don't mean anything all included in the page instead of an external stylesheet - these are things that have got nothing to do with the content editors/creators. I also doubt it's a case of a poor template implementation on the part of this particular customer because the CMS vendor's website displays similar markup. -- Tyssen Design http://www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] books
And now you don't even need to buy Sitepoint reference material: http://reference.sitepoint.com/css On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:50:59 +1000, Paul McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would also reccomend the Sitepoint books. Work well as a reference when your working too, or just forgot something like i usually do :) Paul willdonovan wrote: I would also recommend the Sitepoint collection of books on javascript, CSS, SEO and many other titles. Particularly the 'Art Science' series and also the 'Anthology' series of books. well laid out for learning quickly while in production. Oh and seeing that everyone else is doing it (also because I love the book) Don't Make me think - Steve Krug There are many others in the area of good standards presentation and information design, depends on what flavors you prefer. William Rick Lecoat wrote: snip *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design http://www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] tableless forms !!!
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Re: [WSG] use of p in li
the flaw in this approach is the potential for adding divs for styling purposes only which is hardly ever necessary. I'm not saying that at all. Every layout is going to have containers; use the ones you've already got. Adding styles for every element has the potential for 'bloating' your CSS. -- Tyssen Design http://www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] use of p in li
I'd say the only time you need to use paragraphs inside list items is when a list item's content is made up of more than one paragraph. On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:13:54 +1000, Tim MacKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Taco, In the case of the example you provided I'd say definitely no need for the nested p tag. The li tags are enough to describe the content inside them - they are items in a list. I don't see how it is a duplicate style of the p tag either, in my experience it is good practice to style your lists differently than your paragraphs. Hope this helps, Best Regards, Tim From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taco Fleur Sent: Monday, 11 February 2008 1:52 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] use of p in li This email was sent before an update of the site and the old version did not contain a list on the front-page (just incase someone was wondering;-) It's now updated, and has the example list on the front-page. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taco Fleur Sent: Monday, 11 February 2008 12:31 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] use of p in li Hello all, I've been wondering about this for a while, just hesitated to ask (as it could be a stupid question). I've always been using p within olli (example, see state list on www.web-designers-australia.com) However, I see many people use a list without p tags, and style the text within the list item by creating a duplicate style of the paragraph tag. Just wondering, what is the way to go? Thanks *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design http://www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] use of p in li
If you have two paragraphs you might want to reconsider the use of a list. I don't agree. Consider as an example a 'list' of services - it may take more than one paragraph to adequately describe each service, but it is still a list. -- Tyssen Design http://www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] use of p in li
If the lists have a number of levels like Services Web Site Development Graphics SEO and more About Us Me You Someone else I'm not talking about presenting a list of links; I'm talking about presenting the actual content on a page. From your example above, it's quite feasible that you'd just have one page for Services and one for About Us. If you present * Web Site Development * Graphics * SEO as a list of services (which it is), then it's quite likely you're going to need more than one paragraph to describe each of them. I don't buy the definition list option because I don't believe a description of a service is a 'definition' of that service (descriptions and definitions are two separate things). The argument for splitting onto separate pages may not always be the best option either - there may not be enough to say about each one to warrant that, but there may be more than can fit into one single paragraph. You see bulleted or numbered lists of more than one paragraph in printed material all the time, particularly academic publications. -- Tyssen Design http://www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] use of p in li
Assign the paragraph style to a HTML tag that is surrounding all other
tags?
If so, I would not feel comfortable with that.
Why not? If this is your HTML:
div class=content
psome text/p
ul
lisome text/li
/ul
/div
This
.content {
color: red;
font-size: 1em;
line-height: 1.5
}
makes more sense and is more concise than
p {
color: red;
font-size: 1em;
line-height: 1.5
}
li {
color: red;
font-size: 1em;
line-height: 1.5
}
Although I spose you could do
p, li {
color: red;
font-size: 1em;
line-height: 1.5
}
But there may be cases where you want to apply a style to more than two or
three elements, so it makes more sense to target them with a style on the
container.
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Re: [WSG] use of p in li
If you apply the style to the container, then you don't need to assign styles individually to different elements (except where you want them to be different). On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:22:52 +1000, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tim, What I mean by duplicate style is that if I assigned color: red, font-size: 0.8em to the p tag, I will have to assign the same style to my li tags to make sure they look the same. OK, general consensus so far is, it's ok to put it in, but preferred to leave them out and style the li tag separately. Thanks Kind regards, Taco Fleur _ clickfindT 1300 859 179 www.clickfind.com.au http://www.clickfind.com.au/ the new Australian search engine for businesses, products and services . _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim MacKay Sent: Monday, 11 February 2008 1:14 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] use of p in li Hi Taco, In the case of the example you provided I'd say definitely no need for the nested p tag. The li tags are enough to describe the content inside them - they are items in a list. I don't see how it is a duplicate style of the p tag either, in my experience it is good practice to style your lists differently than your paragraphs. Hope this helps, Best Regards, Tim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design http://www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] PHP includes
Also is their a preference in web standards for using PHP includes or something like SSI? SSI stands for server side include which is essentially what a PHP include is. The only difference is the syntax used to call the include. -- Tyssen Design http://www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
You don't need a longdesc in that example because you're already linking to it by an anchor. On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:34:09 +1000, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here's the link to the example: http://studiokdd.com/sandbox/abstract-christian-art-new-testament.html i have the jesus and disciples pic set to the long description and the text link to the larger pic. any feedback would be appreciated. dwain On 2/2/08, Elizabeth Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dwain See Joe Clark's book, Building accessible websites - online at http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter06.html Elizabeth Spiegel Web editing 0409 986 158 GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001 www.spiegelweb.com.au From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dwain Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2008 4:33 PM To: web standards group Subject: [WSG] long description and its implementation i have looked at the html 4.01 specs and i did not see any examples of how to implement the longdesc element. i am working on long descriptions on separate pages for each work of art on my web site. i am planning on placing a D link next to the text title of the work on the main category page. could someone point me in the direction to any other references as to the proper implementation of the longdesc element? maybe someone would provide a standards compliant example? tia, dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design http://www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Explorer woes with list dropdowns
IE6 doesn't respect the *:hover pseudo selector if I remember rightly... It only supports it for anchors, e.g a:hover You may have to look at a small bit of javascript to 'activate' this behavior. No, because he's using one of Stu Nicholl's js-free menus. The trade off is a lot of IE conditional comments wrapped around table tags. :/ -- Tyssen Design http://www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Compatibility and IE8
It's disturbing how well lemurs can illustrate the issue, too: http://www.katemonkey.co.uk/article/48/x-ua-lemur-compatible (the Zeldman lemur cracked me up completely) That's awesome! We can opt to save our energy for standards-based browsers and not bother learning new versions of IE. Lazy? Pragmatic? Mercenary? As others have pointed out, if everyone decides to lock sites into IE7, MS have no incentive to continue down the road of web standards and may in fact, do the opposite and actively promote against it. That could have serious consequences, e.g.: * MS does one thing and everyone else does another except worse than it is now where MS have at least been trying to come to the party, * MS does its best to tell everyone that hasn't yet bought into web standards that web standards are holding back the web, that their way is better, and end up killing it (web standards). -- Tyssen Design http://www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Acronym element
e.g. Web Standards Group (WSG) the WSG wouldn't benefit from the acronym element. No, I believe you only then need to use the acronym or abbr tag for the first instance of it following where it appears in brackets on any one page (ie at the start of a new page, you'd expand the acronym/abbreviation again). -- Regards John --- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Re: inline styles theoretical question
A textpattern form with inline styles, only gets loaded once and when a change is made to it every page on the site is globally updated. You may only have one file to edit, but what gets sent to the browser is still a different page for each entry with the inline styles needing to be downloaded for each individual page. What you're describing isn't unique to Textpattern, that's how all CMSs work - they use template files but the HTML doesn't get 'loaded once' and it doesn't get cached; only CSS in an external stylesheet gets cached. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta
Seems like someone is listening! The color buttons is gone No they're not. Unless you're referring to something different. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta
Yeah, that's right. I can still see them and they still change the colour of the page. On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:31:49 +1000, Kim Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well they are on my computer! (we're talking about the 4 colored buttons that changed the colors of the page... right?) John Faulds skrev: snip No they're not. Unless you're referring to something different. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta
Oh come on, let's not be so blinkered that we can't appreciate really good work in most areas! Felix isn't the only one who has a number of issues with the new design and for entirely different reasons - http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/bbc_homepage_redesign/ I'd have to agree with Mark that the changing of the pages' colour scheme when you click on the coloured rectangles under the main picture is just weird. What's it meant to signify? -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part
First, it requests the Commission to obligate Microsoft to unbundle Internet Explorer from Windows and/or carry alternative browsers pre-installed on the desktop. I can't see that flying. Is anyone going to ask Apple to stop shipping their OS with Safari? On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:05:11 +1000, James Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I read this on the Opera feed this morning, I'm not sure how it will proceed but it mentions: The complaint describes how Microsoft is abusing its dominant position by tying its browser, Internet Explorer, to the Windows operating system and by hindering interoperability by not following accepted Web standards http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2007/12/13/ I wonder what the flow on effects of this would be internationally rather than just in the EU ? Of course there is the opinion that only lawyers win out of arguments like this but it would defnitely be a more interesting playground if IE wasn't bundled and supported accepted standards better. Cheers James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part
Delivering their OSes with half a dozen pre-installed standard-compliant alternatives to IE/win isn't a technical problem, so why not? I'm no lawyer and I'm also no MS fanboy, but I think 'why?' is as equally a valid question as 'why not?'. My latest computer with Vista came pre-intalled with Windows Mail, Windows Media Player, Microsoft Works and Roxio CD Creator (this one may be more of an HP choice than MS); should I also expect my system to be preinstalled with Eudora/Thunderbird/Lotus Note, RealPlayer/Quicktime, OpenOffice and Nero? Is it reasonable for any OS vendor to have to install any more than one type of any application? For the less savvy users, having more than one option may actually make things more difficult for them. Surely it's any manufacturer's right to choose what components they use in their own product (as long as there aren't health and safety concerns involved)? -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part
but their os should be able to run other optional packages that the customer chooses. Out of all the applications Gav I mentioned previously, all the alternatives are easily installed on Windows (including Vista), and that's certainly the case for other browsers, so I don't really see your point. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Comment mark
It should be: !-- ... -- (no 2nd !). On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:40:52 +1000, Hayden's Harness Attachment [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: !-- ... --! -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CMS and site design
I'd think a little bit more about what you want your CMS to do before jumping in with Joomla. I've only given it a cursory look over before because I wasn't that impressed particularly by the sort of templating it uses and the code it outputs. If your client just wants to edit pages themselves and maybe add some news items, you might find that Joomla has a lot more functionality than you actually need and you might find something like Wordpress or Textpattern better suits your needs. If you host supports Joomla, you'll be able to use pretty much any other open source CMS too. So, not having used Joomla, but having used others like Wordpress, Expression Engine and CMS Made Simple, to answer your question: yes, you'd create a basic HTML template first and then split it up into the various template files that the CMS uses. Along the way you'll need to learn a bit about the in-built functions that the CMSs use to do various dynamic functions. On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:39:27 +1000, Lyn Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never had to use a CMS and know very little about them. I have a client who wants to update his site himself and my hosting company supports Joomla. My question is: do I design the site in the normal way and then append the CMS or is the site designed within Joomla? Am I restricted in design options? Lyn Patterson Western Web Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Markup question
I have to mark up a club constitution where all the paragraphs are numbered but there are also headings that are supposed to relate to paragraphs, e.g.: Heading 1 1. Paragraph goes here 2. Paragraph goes here 3. Paragraph goes here Heading 2 4. Paragraph goes here 5. Paragraph goes here Heading 3 6. Paragraph goes here etc. An ordered list seems like the most obvious choice but what would I do with the headings which fall outside of the list items? -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Markup question
Thanks Christian. I was aware of the start attribute and also it's validity but it seems like it's probably the best option in this case. On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:35:00 +1000, Christian Snodgrass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We actually had this issue about 2 months ago. There is a deprecated attribute for order list called start. You can use that, but it won't be valid HTML Strict (though it is Transitional). You can also use the CSS counter element, which should work in your case. The name of the old topic is Catch 22 list problem, which you can find in the WSG archives if you want to read the full discussion. John Faulds wrote: I have to mark up a club constitution where all the paragraphs are numbered but there are also headings that are supposed to relate to paragraphs, e.g.: Heading 1 1. Paragraph goes here 2. Paragraph goes here 3. Paragraph goes here Heading 2 4. Paragraph goes here 5. Paragraph goes here Heading 3 6. Paragraph goes here etc. An ordered list seems like the most obvious choice but what would I do with the headings which fall outside of the list items? -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Page shift in IE6
Hi Georg,
Yep, that did it. It looks like it was the % padding causing the problem.
Huge thanks for the time and effort you spent helping me out on this one!
Cheers
John
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:56:44 +1000, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
John Faulds wrote:
I appreciate all your efforst so far Georg, but could I impose a little
bit more and ask you to put a version of the page you've made online so
I can compare because I'm still getting a noticeable shift at my end?
Sure...
http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/jf-1/test_07_1121.html
IE/win styles in the page head.
The last pixel-shift is due to the...
#wrap {
padding: 0 2%;
}
IE6 calculates that percentage-padding wrong on first load and shift
#wrap 1px to one side and #content 1px to the other.
Once a link-hovering inside that construction causes IE6 to recalculate
and re-render, the mistake is corrected - causing the visible shift.
My solution is to give IE6 something it can not miscalculate - pixels...
* html #wrap {
padding: 0 20px;
}
regards
Georg
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Re: [WSG] Page shift in IE6
The pixel-based min/max version is a much easier solution then, but yours needs adjustments. The 4% missing with a fluid state of 96% width, is not identical to the 18px you have between attack and max-width values, and same goes for the 'min-width' part. It is percentage of the body-width you're dealing with, and that naturally varies with window-width. I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean by 'attack'. Calculate new values or tune them by testing, until there's no jumping at either end and no appearing horizontal scrollbar when in the fluid state. Will work well enough for most, I think. I see maybe a 1px horizontal jump when hovering any link now - in my corrected copy and your present page, and that's hardly enough to hunt and kill IE/win bugs for. Could you show me what you've got in your corrected copy because I'm unsure which values I'm supposed to be tuning? Cheers John -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] question about max-width's behaviour
The purpose of max-width loses if it can't overruled the ems behavior. It's not a case of max-width overruling ems. Ems is related to font-size which is why it's used for fluid/elastic layouts - it's *supposed* to increase as you increase the text size. If you don't want your layout to expand past a certain fixed size, then you should be using a pixel value, and not ems. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Page shift in IE6
I appreciate all your efforst so far Georg, but could I impose a little
bit more and ask you to put a version of the page you've made online so I
can compare because I'm still getting a noticeable shift at my end?
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:33:06 +1000, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
John Faulds wrote:
Could you show me what you've got in your corrected copy because I'm
unsure which values I'm supposed to be tuning?
Ok, here's a smooth-working version...
* html #wrap {
width: 95%;
width:expression(((document.compatMode
document.compatMode=='CSS1Compat') ?
document.documentElement.clientWidth
: document.body.clientWidth) 1200 ?
1140px : (((document.compatMode
document.compatMode=='CSS1Compat') ?
document.documentElement.clientWidth
: document.body.clientWidth) 860 ? 820px
: 95%));
}
...ready for copy and paste into the IE.css, if all other parameters
in your page are as before.
In the above ' 1200' is the attack, the value used in the greater
than argument for when the 1140px - the max-width - should be used
as 'width'.
Likewise, the ' 860' is the attack, the value used in the smaller
than argument for when the 820px - the min-width - should be used
as 'width'.
In between those two attack points is the fluid state where the
'width' = 95%, which is the value I chose to avoid a flickering
horizontal scrollbar in that particular layout.
So, as you can see: there are 5 values that must fit the specific
layout. One can either calculate them, or one can simply test and adjust
- tune - until it all works smoothly and looks right - like I just did
on a copy of your page.
regards
Georg
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[WSG] Page shift in IE6
Hi I've got a page shift happening when you hover over certain elements in the right column on this page: http://www.gbjt.org.au/competitions/enrolment/ It happens when you hover over the links in the top box and over any of the form inputs, but not on the links in the two smaller boxes. I know that these sorts of shifts are usually due to hasLayout issues, and I've been adding height and zoom to various elements but I can't seem to find how to solve it. :/ It's also related to the max-width expression I'm using on the wrapper because if I take it out it disappears. Can anyone see what I'm missing? Cheers John -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Page shift in IE6
Hi Georg, It's at: http://www.gbjt.org.au/css/IE.css On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:08:11 +1000, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Faulds wrote: I've got a page shift happening when you hover over certain elements in the right column on this page: http://www.gbjt.org.au/competitions/enrolment/ Can you provide a link directly to your IE stylesheet? It's a bit difficult to track down from the outside. Looks like you're using auto as fall-back in your expression. That'll trigger 'Layout' on and off, with the quite normal result that it messes with some of your positioning. Can't suggest proper fix without seeing all your IE styles. However, adding 'hasLayout' triggers all over the place rarely fixes anything since we're dealing with a bug that has as many negative sides as it has positive. regards Georg -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Page shift in IE6
1: the large shifting is easiest solved by deleting all R:P styles on
sidebar...
#sidebar {
position: relative; -- delete
z-index: 200; -- delete
}
I had that there because the top link in the sidebar seems to get
partially obscured by the transparent PNG of the ball. I'm sure it was
working at some point, but doesn't seem to be now. :/
I've tried moving the font-size to the wrapper and using the revised
expression for px/em-based min/max-width from your example but it doesn't
stop the page shift and also the max-width doesn't get applied either.
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Re: [WSG] Web Form Best Practices
Here's a recent one that might prove useful: http://www.digital-web.com/articles/redesigning_ebay_registration/ On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:55:46 +1000, Howard Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope this question is appropriate for this list. I'm doing some research on best practices for creating web forms with the following in mind: * Accessibility * Semantic Markup with CSS * Form Layout Design I would like to come up with some form templates for my organization based on best practices and web standards. I was wondering if anyone knew of any resources related to this topic. I've done a Google search for web form best practices which came back with a huge number of responses. Any help focusing my search? Many thanks. ~Howard *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Best way to clear a float
*Sometimes* I find this works:
#parent {overflow: auto;}
You need to combine that with a width for it to work in IE. You might also
find in some situations that you need to use oveflow: hidden as auto will
create scrollbars.
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[WSG] z-index problem with dropdown menu
http://www.tyssendesign.com.au/sites/evolved/sax/ I can't figure out why the dropdowns fall behind the content below them. Can anybody see what I'm obviously missing? :? Cheers John -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] z-index problem with dropdown menu
I've z-indexed just about everything on the page to no avail so far. On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:35:31 +1000, Chris Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Faulds wrote: http://www.tyssendesign.com.au/sites/evolved/sax/ I can't figure out why the dropdowns fall behind the content below them. Can anybody see what I'm obviously missing? :? Hi John, I'd have a look at setting a z-index on #sidebar2 (I don't think you have one). Because it comes after the dropdown in the source some browsers may assume it should have a higher z-index than the dropdown so it may help to set it lower. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] z-index problem with dropdown menu
#header {
position: relative;
z-index: 999;
}
I've z-indexed just about everything on the page to no avail so far.
Right, well obviously I hadn't. I could've sworn I'd done that for #header
as well. Oh well, thanks for the extra sets of eyes guys! :)
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Re: [WSG] How z-index works
That's weird, it's working today. :? On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:57:05 +1000, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip http://tjkdesign.com/articles/z-index/teach_yourself_how_elements_stack.asp OK, this is obviously not an isolated occurrence anymore. I've tried to look at your site 3 times now in the last couple of weeks Thierry and can never get it to load. Hi John. Sorry to hear that, but I don't know what to say as nobody else has reported having problems :( -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] How z-index works
OK, this is obviously not an isolated occurrence anymore. I've tried to look at your site 3 times now in the last couple of weeks Thierry and can never get it to load. On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 00:52:32 +1000, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd appreciate any comments that would help me improve this tool: http://tjkdesign.com/articles/z-index/teach_yourself_how_elements_stack.asp Thanks, -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS display: none has SEO impact?
This might prove useful - http://www.seomoz.org/blog/guide-to-hidden-text My understanding is that yes, SEs do view some use of CSS dubiously, but it's also been my understanding that it only applies to inline CSS (not external stylesheets) and as an added safety measure, you can always add your CSS directory to your robots.txt. On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:46:07 +1000, Simon Cockayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am sure I read that CSS's display: none has a detrimental on SEO. Is this true* or did I dream it? *To clarify...I am keen to know if it is true that there is a detrimental impact...not whether it is true that I read it or not. Cheers, Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Re: worst site I've seen lately
whisperI actually quite like it./whisper I thought it was pretty cool too. A bit of experimentation shows that there's actually been a fair bit of work put into font-previewing interface. Definitely nowhere near the worst site I've seen recently. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] How z-index works
Yeah, it's not a browser issue. Definitely something to do with my location I think. I provided a link to an article on the site on a forum recently (from bookmarks) and other people could see it OK, but I couldn't. On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:53:33 +1000, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Faulds wrote: OK, this is obviously not an isolated occurrence anymore. I've tried to look at your site 3 times now in the last couple of weeks Thierry and can never get it to load. On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 00:52:32 +1000, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip mac os x v 10.4.10 camino/1.5.2 xp ie/6.0 parallels desktop No problem whatsoever loading here. Best, dL -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Re: worst site I've seen lately
http://www.ourtype.be/ On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:57:02 +1000, Travis D. Falls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I missed the URL for this. can someone send it out again? I want to see what has everyone in a tizzy. J travis From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Wilson Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:26 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: worst site I've seen lately I have to agree. Not everything has to be so damn usable that it has no visual flair, something that, sadly, tends to be the norm on this list. This is neat if only because it's quite unique. On 10/29/07, Olly Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/29/07, Rob Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My eyes, my beautiful eyes...it burns. whisperI actually quite like it./whisper It's nice to see someone trying something slightly away from the norm. OK, so they don't quite pull it off -- the mad scrolling stuff could do with being toned down a little (perhaps a bit of motion blurring?) and some of the UI design is just plain silly, but generally, not a bad effort. I've certainly seen a lot worse. Besides, what's not to like about a site that employs lines like Value-added red noses maximize a plan to vigorously deliver multilevel hairdryers. in place of lipsum? ;) -- Olly http://thinkdrastic.net/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS display: none has SEO impact?
So the question is still open for me, and I'm curious; what is your source of information for thinking that the big G only looks at inline CSS? It was a couple of years ago that I came across articles that suggested this (I can't remember if anyone provided hard evidence to back it up). So I've been working on that assumption since and haven't seen any adverse SEO effects on sites I've worked on that have used various techniques that might be viewed dubiously by SEs (image replacement, dropdowns, offset headings/labels etc.). -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] skip to content: care of accessibility causing usability
Been working on this site in the last 2 days, I find that I am getting so annoyed by the surprise' everytime the hover pops up. There is no way to miss it everytime I move the cursor to the top. Leaving aside considerations as to whether you should actually be bothering after the client has explicity requested it not be implemented, if you're looking for a more unobtrusive option, don't make the link display: block, just let the link text area be clickable. After all, with this method, you're not really expecting any mouse user to find it, so increasing the clickable area is a bit pointless. Also, don't change the background-color; just make the link text appear. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Re: Alt text for purely aesthetic images
If the images are in the CSS, then there's no need for alt attributes. Conversely, if you believe an image should have alt text, then it shouldn't be in the CSS as a bg-image. On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:20:23 +1000, Simon Cockayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again... Whoops...butterfingers I unwittingly hit send before completing my email. Anywise...here is what it should have said: Hi, WCAG 1.0 (http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/) states: Guideline 1. Provide equivalent alternatives to auditory and visual content Provide content that, when presented to the user, conveys essentially the same function or purpose as auditory or visual content 1.1 Provide a text equivalent for every non-text element (e.g., via alt, longdesc, or in element content). *This includes*: images, graphical representations of text (including symbols), image map regions, animations ( e.g., animated GIFs), applets and programmatic objects, ascii art, frames, scripts, images used as list bullets, spacers, graphical buttons, sounds (played with or without user interaction), stand-alone audio files, audio tracks of video, and video. [Priority 1] I have two questions regarding images added via CSS. 1) I added an image for each bullet via CSS .box ul li. How do I specify alt text in this situation? Do I add alt text in the HTML...even though there would be no image if CSS was disabled? 2) What is the implication (what do I need to do) for purely presenation/aesthetic images? For example on my wife's microsite (that I built) http://phd.london.edu/ygrushkacockayne/ what do I need to do, if anything, for the gifs that form rounded corners on the boxes, via CCS on .box, box2 et cetera? Cheers, Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Floated list items of differing heights
I've managed to avoid doing this for while, but I'm doing a CMS job and the content in a floated group of LI's is going to be differeing heights. They need to wrap onto a new line when they hit the right edge of the container, causing layout problems. Would need to see what you have at the moment before I could suggest anything. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Which screen reader to test with?
Here's a list of free screenreaders: http://access.benjaminhawkeslewis.com/free-screen-readers.html On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:35:13 +1000, Simon Cockayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What screen reader(s) should one test with? Seemingly WSG is keen on the development of web sites that are compatible with vision-impaired users and more specifically those who use screen-readers. It's a laudable goal...but screen reader software seems quite expensive...Jaws $1000 approx. Is there a free screen reader? Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] source order
Remember that a screen reader user has no idea how long a page is until they get to the end. They may be one line from the end, yet still have no idea what percentage is left. I'd have thought that would be a fairly useful feature to have. I often judge whether I'm going to read something on how long it is. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Form styling
http://www.dave-woods.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/accessible-forms1.html With your labels set to display: block, you don't realy need the extra br at the end of each one. ;) -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS
I use both Wordpress and Expression Engine and don't find WP any less capable of outputting exactly what you put into it than EE. The only time I find you ever have to edit core WP files is if you're using the inbuilt sidebar widgets functionality; otherwise it's not an issue. On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:55:34 +1000, Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip These and related are as accessible as their programmers make them. I find them all difficult to configure for the reason that one is limited my mambots, modules, plugins, etc which are made to add functions and wysiwyg editors. All the code in the templates (if they can be found even) is integrated into the core and is difficult at best to edit. I find even wordpress editing out code I add to templates and becoming increasingly unusable. Expression Engine on the other hand is as accessible and Standards based as YOU make it. The templates are in the open and stand alone in the sense they aren't wrapped around the core programming and they will output anything put in them. All the xhtml code is right there and not dependent on other core programming or functions. Bruce Prochnau bkdesign solutions - Original Message - From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS On 9/12/07, Marghanita da Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I do: use Wordpress http://www.wordpress.org/ -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats
Have you looked at Google Analytics? On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:52:44 +1000, Paul Hempsall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I'm investigating improving our current method of reporting our web traffic - we currently use server logs only (with an annual community survey for good measure). I'm looking for a Javascript page-tagging solution, that is unobtrusive (keeping in line with our current progressive enhancement paradigm), standards compliant, reliable/error free (ie. Supported across multiple browsers). We've spent a considerable amount of time building a standards compliant, accessible website that degrades nicely on older browsers and less tech savvy clients, so I'm not keen on implementing a solution that's going to brain all of our hard work. Can anyone make any suggests... off-list if this isn't the right forum for this thread. Best Regards, Paul Hempsall Web Developer Lake Macquarie City Council Phone: (02) 4921-0713 Fax: (02) 4921-0566 Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au This information is intended for the addressee only. The use, copying or distribution of this message or any information it contains, by anyone other than the addressee is prohibited by the sender. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Council. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE help
I can download them OK and am running both hardware and software firewall with Avast antivirus. On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:24:08 +1000, Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some users have complained that when they go to this page http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/lib/lib_current.html and try to download the linked files with IE 7 they get a message stating something like Explorer is unable to download the requested file My Windows (server 2000) testing computer has IE 6 on it and all works fine. The links to the files are absolute, so my guess is these users either have some funny settings in thier IE 7, anti-virus programs, or some Norton firewall-like application. However if someone could have a look in IE 7 I would appreciate it. Thanks, Bob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE, alpha transparency and sliding doors...
We're probably going to need to see your code and/or a link to the page to be able to make any reasonable comment. On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:28:57 +1000, minim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all - I've been set what I believe to be an impossible challenge, but before I admit defeat I thought I should cast it out into the wilds of the internet and see if others agreed or could suggest a solution. The challenge is this: to create a flexible (vertical and horizontal) content-containing box with rounded corners and drop shadows (three sides) - over a patterned background. The problem, of course, is IE 5.5 and 6 - I've investigated the AlphaImageLoader filter and I can't see any way to make it do what I want - if I use the sliding-doors method, neither left nor right borders show up, even though the top and bottom work OK (barring the fact that you can see the underneath sliding image in the transparent bit going around the topmost rounded corner). I have also tested trying to make this work using side-by-side spans, which again could be made to work OK for the top level (fixing the over/under thing), but which then left me with the issue where the left border showed up OK, but the right border either didn't (because to make it stretch the full length of the content meant I had to put it in a div surrounding the content, but then AlphaImageLoader doesn't allow positioning, so I couldn't shift it to the right) so it was hidden by content, or only showed up 23px high because IE doesn't implement height: 100% unless the bounding box's height is expressed in pixels - no good where you have no clue how tall your content will be. I even tried using IE's proprietary dropshadow filter with transparent gifs for the rounded corners minus the photoshop dropshadow, but the results were too hideous to even contemplate. SO: Does anyone know of a way to implement such a thing, or is this indeed, as it seems, totally impossible? I'd appreciate either sort of response :-) Thanks, Caitlin. Caitlin Rowley, B. Mus. (Hons), Gr. Dip. Design Composer, musicologist, web designer http://www.minim-media.com/listen/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Usability Accessibility Over Design?
That's a shame because I really need stunning examples of accessible, standards-compliant design to show our clients what is possible. Is there nothing on Accessites.org that makes the grade? -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Usability Accessibility Over Design?
Web Standards, Accessibility and Usability needs to be put right at the top of the list, way before design. I won't argue with that but all of those things are generally a harder sell to a client than the more superficial aspects of a project like the graphic design. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Standards and Blogs
I've only used Expression Engine and Wordpress but they'll output whatever HTML you put into your templates so how standards-friendly is entirely up to the user and there is no limitations imposed by the CMS. On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:01:32 +1000, Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi; Does anyone have any views regarding the best blogging tool (server- side, not hosted) from a web-standards perspective? I'm looking at setting up a business blog at the moment and although I'm wading through 'Blog Design Solutions' by Andy Budd et al I'm still not certain which one to settle on -- Movable Type, Experession Engine and Wordpress all have their pros and cons, but I'd like the blog pages to be as standards- friendly as possible (I assume that they are never going to be completely so on account of the blog-specific template tags and such). If one has never gone down the blog route before it's all a bit daunting and techno-befuddling, so any advice is welcome. Many thanks as always. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Standards and Blogs
Most HTML tags get written into your template by you. There's only a few functions I can think of that output tags as well as a content and most of the time, it's perfectly valid HTML. On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:24:36 +1000, Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13/8/07 (11:57) John said: I've only used Expression Engine and Wordpress but they'll output whatever HTML you put into your templates so how standards-friendly is entirely up to the user and there is no limitations imposed by the CMS. That's good to know John, thanks. I was concerned that the blogging scripts might be churning out hideous (X)HTML that makes us all bleed from the ears. I was also originally working on the assumption that no blog page will validate on account of the template tags, but then it occurred to me that the tags get replaced with regular text in the actual served page, so there should be no problem. Is that correct? (As you can tell, I'm starting to get mildly out of my regular territory here...) -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE: footer jumping
Stuff jumping around like that in IE usually indicates a hasLayout issue.
An easy way to test is to do * { height: 1% }; it'll probably do strange
things to the layout, but if it stops the jumping, you know you then only
have to narrow it down to the offending element.
And no, the background's not transparent.
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:12:50 +1000, Jermayn Parker
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Hi peoples:
When viewing this website I am in the middle of designing
(http://www.jubileeworldharvest.com.au/Warriors) and I scroll over the
menu (top) the footer jumps up a few em's
Any idea on this??
I think I remember something about this
Also if anyone has ie6, can they please let me know if the content
background is transparent
Thanks so much for this
Take care
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Re: [WSG] IE: footer jumping
You narrow it down progressively by applying it to different elements
until you find the right one, e.g. #container * { }, #header * {}, #footer
* {} etc. When you work out it's in one of those larger containers, you
can then test individual elements.
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when i test it with the 1% height, the jumping stops like u said but how
do
I test it for what the problem is??
sorry if this sounds a dumb question
On 8/9/07, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Stuff jumping around like that in IE usually indicates a hasLayout
issue.
An easy way to test is to do * { height: 1% }; it'll probably do strange
things to the layout, but if it stops the jumping, you know you then
only
have to narrow it down to the offending element.
And no, the background's not transparent.
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:12:50 +1000, Jermayn Parker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi peoples:
When viewing this website I am in the middle of designing
(http://www.jubileeworldharvest.com.au/Warriors) and I scroll over the
menu (top) the footer jumps up a few em's
Any idea on this??
I think I remember something about this
Also if anyone has ie6, can they please let me know if the content
background is transparent
Thanks so much for this
Take care
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Re: [WSG] designing for handheld
So which emulators (simulators) are correct? They probably all are but just as Opera renders differently from IE6 on a desktop, Opera Mini (or Mobile) renders differently from other mobile browsers. In fact, there's more difference among mobile browsers than there is desktop browsers and most of them don't recognise handheld stylesheets. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] designing for handheld
The only site I've done with a handheld stylesheet is: http://www.thiesskentz.com.au/ As far as testing goes, not sure how reliable DW's previews would be considering how bad their design view is. Other testing options include: http://www.operamini.com/demo/ http://www.operamini.com/beta/simulator/ http://developer.openwave.com/dvl/tools_and_sdk/phone_simulator/ http://www.marketcircle.com/iphoney/ (Mac only) On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:18:55 +1000, Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, a project I'd been working, client asks if I can port the layout for handheld devices. Current layout is pixel width with every pixel carefully culculaated in different sections/columns, so there is no way I can simply adapt the style sheet. At this stage, it's simply an inquiry from client whether I am competent to do the stylesheet for handheld devices. I am very keen on getting my hand dirty even it means sacrify a candle light dinner at a romantic soothing restaurant on Sunday night. I have never done layout specifically for handheld devices, think this is a great opportunity, but I don't know how much complication (apart from learning curve) it involves. The articles and books involving with buildibg accessibily websites that I read all these years, some of them touched the handheld devices but no much, and I don't think I remember all I have read. First and core question: structure wise, is it just a matter to making the layout liquid? I happened to download the Adobe Dreamweaver CS3 trial version last week, and see that it has 'preview in device center' that covers many brand of handhelds, with many different models and display sizes. The layout (3 columns) I mentioned here doesn't break, it displays first column, second column and the third vertically. It appears that layout intergrity doesn't suffer except herhaps differnt margins/paddings needed. Does this means I have the basic covered? If you have done sites for handheld devices, could you be so kind post it here so that I can take a look and perhaps study your style sheet. Recommendation on building accessible sites for handheld devices also welcome. Thank you! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] designing for handheld
The obvious different is that there are two Thiess Kents logo, one big, one small, the small one overlapping the Engineers Constructors Actually, that was an oversight on my part. It's fixed now. Thanks! You can also get an idea of what your site will looked like on handhelds using Opera desktop: just hit Shift + F11 to go into small screen rendering mode. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Background image in IE
It's being affected by the float on #nav so you need to clear the content that comes after it correctly. On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:21:29 +1000, Lyn Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good morning http://www.plecomadness.com/index.html Can someone tell me why my background image on #container in IE7/6 (large pic on right) is not positioned at the very edge of the screen as it is correctly in Fx, Opera and Safari? Thanks! Lyn *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Shadow validation
Text-shadow's part of the CSS3 spec and not CSS 2.1 isn't it? So if you're
validating against CSS 2.1, you'll get an error.
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:03:46 +1000, Dean Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't understand what the W3C validator is objecting to here:
Value Error : text-shadow Property text-shadow doesn't exist : #7f7f7f
2px 2px 2px
Offending CSS:
h2, h3 {
margin: 24px 0 0;
font-size: 1.4em;
text-shadow: #7f7f7f 2px 2px 2px;
color: #25447d;
line-height: 1.4em;
}
Please excuse me if I'm incurably dense,
Dean
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Re: [WSG] Page Structure
In the past, I've set the company name or logo in an h2, reserving the h1 for the actual page heading. That'll only work if the page heading actually comes before the company name, otherwise your heading hierarchy is broken. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Container Background Image Does Not Appear in Firefox
We need to see more of your code or a link to your page but I suspect your
container probably contains floated content and you haven't cleared your
floats properly.
I have to ask though, if your image is just creating black borders on
either side of the container, why don't you use borders in CSS instead?
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:40:15 +1000, Joyce Evans
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm new to this group, and I'm not sure if it's okay to post a question,
but
here it is:
I've designed a website and am now creating the CSS for the home page.
This
is the CSS for my main container div:
#container {
width: 760px;
background-color: #00;
color: #00;
margin: 0 auto;
padding: 0;
text-align: left;
background-image: url(images/bg_container.jpg);
background-repeat: repeat-y;
}
The problem is that the bg_container.jpg image does not appear in Mozilla
Firefox; however it appears in IE 7. bg_container.jpg is 760 px wide
with
the first pixel and the last pixel being black. All the pixels in
between
are white, thus creating a thin black border on the left and right hand
sides of the 760 px container. In the latest version of Firefox, I do
not
see these two black lines.
Could someone please advise.
Thanks!
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Re: [WSG] Container Background Image Does Not Appear in Firefox
It's as I said before. Your layout contains floated content and you
haven't cleared your floats. Adding overflow: hidden to #container will
make the borders appear in Firefox but you should do some reading up on
'clearing floats'.
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:35:50 +1000, Joyce Evans
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here is the link to the incomplete home page. It's as far as I have
gotten
with the CSS. The CSS file name is brookgrooves_home.css, and it is an
external style sheet, which you'll be able to download.
http://www.nichemktghouston.com/bookgrooves/index.html
Notice that the dark lines appear to the left and the right in IE but
not in
Firefox.
This is how the design sample looks prior to my programming. This is
simply
one jpg file:
http://www.nichemktghouston.com/bookgrooves/HomePageSample17e_ltGrnTitles.ht
ml
I can't even imagine how I'm going to handle the Topic and Members
columns
with CSS, as well as the three columns for Popular Reads with the images
of
the books. It's been painful, but I'm trying not to use tables.
Nonetheless, I'm not using a border because I need to figure out how to
get
the background image to appear in Firefox. I use background images
often,
and they usually aren't as simple as a border.
Thank you.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Faulds
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 7:00 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Container Background Image Does Not Appear in Firefox
We need to see more of your code or a link to your page but I suspect
your
container probably contains floated content and you haven't cleared your
floats properly.
I have to ask though, if your image is just creating black borders on
either side of the container, why don't you use borders in CSS instead?
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:40:15 +1000, Joyce Evans
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm new to this group, and I'm not sure if it's okay to post a question,
but
here it is:
I've designed a website and am now creating the CSS for the home page.
This
is the CSS for my main container div:
#container {
width: 760px;
background-color: #00;
color: #00;
margin: 0 auto;
padding: 0;
text-align: left;
background-image: url(images/bg_container.jpg);
background-repeat: repeat-y;
}
The problem is that the bg_container.jpg image does not appear in
Mozilla
Firefox; however it appears in IE 7. bg_container.jpg is 760 px wide
with
the first pixel and the last pixel being black. All the pixels in
between
are white, thus creating a thin black border on the left and right hand
sides of the 760 px container. In the latest version of Firefox, I do
not
see these two black lines.
Could someone please advise.
Thanks!
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[WSG] Mac test please (was Safari now on Windows)
By posting to the Web Standards Group mailing list (with the subject line, Mac test please). Well, as you mentioned it: I downloaded Safari for Windows today and didn't have any problem with it except that my own site looks completely screwed in it. It didn't look like that last time I checked with Browsercam and it doesn't look like that using Swift so I'm wondering if it might be a Safari 3 issue (and maybe just Safari for Windows). So could Mac users have a look in Safari 2 3 and tell me if there's a difference? Cheers John -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Mac test please (was Safari now on Windows)
Hi Philippe, Yeah, and, you load stylesheets via xml PI. Safari/WebKit doesn't recognise media types in that case. It applies all your stylesheets. Yep, that was it. Thanks for that. But I'm curious why it's only a problem in v3 and not earlier versions. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Just left a comment about this on 456 Berea St - seems to be working OK for me although other Windows users seem to find it pretty much unusable. On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:26:24 +1000, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be interesting... Safari 3 Public Beta: http://www.apple.com/safari/ == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Help with css cascade problem from external style to internal style
style type=text/css
#every_page #index, #every_page #index:hover { color: #4F; background:
#003173; cursor: default;}
/style
should do it (you're also missing the # from index:hover).
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:40:35 +1000, JS Bracher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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#every_page
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Re: [WSG] What does Semantic mean?
Well if we're going to talk about 'pedanticness' it has to be pointed out that there's no such word; the word you're looking for is 'pedantry'. On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 12:54:04 +1000, Lucien Stals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ben and others, Here is my own bit of pedanticness... -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox bug with legend tag
Hi Tee, I wrote something about styling legends a while ago which might help: http://www.tyssendesign.com.au/articles/css/legends-of-style/ On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:12:59 +1000, Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am working on a form layout that utilize fieldset and legend and I need to take care of presentation as well as screen reader needs. The legend tag has a rounded corners background image, Safari and Opera have no issue with positioning and width but I am finding Firefox (all Gecko browsers actually) doesn't recognizing width element (haven't check on IE yet but I figure it's buggy too). Did a google search on Firefox bugs and found this: http://marc.baffl.co.uk/bugs.php Here is the screen shot of the result from above mentioned browsers. http://project.lotusseedsdesign.com/legend.gif The background image has to stay, I guess my last option will be removing the legend, and use p tag instead, but this is really not desirable because the page has two forms, one for newsletter, the other for personal info submission. Consider I need to take care of screen reader's users, the legend should stay too. Or am I still able to make the form accessible without legend? I am inclined to sacrifice the presentation needs however it's not my call. Client hasn't see the layout, but I know he wants to keep both. Thanks! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] dl v table for form layout
It probably shouldn't be used for pairing as you describe, but rather a group of inputs that all share some common-ground. In my case I use them to contain groups of required versus non-required inputs as well as the type of information sought (contact info, etc.). Sorry to bring this up again but I've been thinking a bit more about this: a fieldset should be used to group related form controls and each fieldset should have a legend, but what if you have a form control that's not really related to anything else? Do you put it in a fieldset by itself? Then what do you do about the legend when in a lot of cases it'll simply be duplicating what's in the label? For instance, a form which has contact details and a message text area might be split into one fieldset for the contact details and another for the message (I know it could probably be argued that it could all go in one fieldset but let's say for argument's sake that there's another fieldset in between requesting the user to select from a series of checkboxes that needs to go in its own fieldset). There's only really one way to say this is where your message goes without being redundant, so do you use a 2nd fieldset or go for a generic div to avoid the repetition of legend/label? -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Content Management issue ?
I've not had that much experience with DW/Contribute, but I know they've both got pretty ordinary CSS support which means in a lot of cases you have to create separate Design Time Stylesheets just to get your layout to look presentable in Contribute. On Thu, 31 May 2007 09:50:33 +1000, Marcin Szczepanski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rather than muck around with CMS systems for content sites, we get our clients to use Adobe Contribute: http://www.adobe.com/products/contribute/ Essentially provides them a WYSIWYG interface to edit pages on their site, preview them, etc. Works with Dreamweaver templates for editable regions, repeating regions, etc - but these are just special comments in the HTML, so you could add them without Dreamweaver. With the right combination of editable regions etc you can even have non-technical users editing dynamic sites, as you just don't give them access to edit the parts that generate code. It's not free, but you're going to save time compared to setting up a server-side CMS and moving the site into it, etc. Also supports posting to blogs and things like that. Might not be the best solution for a 10,000+ page Intranet that needs complex workflow etc, but most sites aren't that sort of size. Regards, Marcin Szczepanski Senior Web Developer webqem pty ltd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ross Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2007 2:16 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Content Management issue ? Hi: I have a question which has surfaced due to an upcoming requirement. I have built a web site for a client who now wants to be able to manage the site on her own. She is computer literate, but not a web designer, by any means. I am new to the idea of Content Management systems and am really trying to wrap my brain around what they really do and how to set one up. I guess I am wondering how other designers handle this type of issue? How do you setup clients to manage their own site so they are not having to take a detailed course in Web Design. I hope my concern is understood, as I have been thinking about this issue for a while and have investigated certain software... Joomla, Wordpress... Can anyone lend a hand? Thanks very much... Regards, Kevin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions
Additionally, code redundancy is also a problem when it comes to templates (though, some would say this is a feature of EE) I've not found that so far. Once you get your head around the way you can embed templates in other templates, it's just like using includes. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Content Management issue ?
I liked what I saw of Silverstripe but unfortunately it has a certain PHP memory limit requirement which my web host wasn't willing to change so it ruled it out for me unless I wanted to change hosts. On Tue, 29 May 2007 08:50:15 +1000, Robin Gorry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have head very good things about silver stripe http://www.silverstripe.com/home/ This is an open source cms writen in php which you are able to cusomise and manipulate. Simple. Intuitive and user-friendly Flexible. MVC framework Scalable. From 1 page to a million Fast. As responsive as a desktop app thanks to native Ajax support Standards Compliant. Fully XHTML compliant Modular. Easy to extend Template Freedom. No restrictions on the look and feel of your site Open source. It's free in every sense of the word! (BSD) Cross platform (Windows/Linux/Mac) and easy to install (PHP based Robin I'm surprised no one has really commented on Joomla! I've read the feedback and reviews on Joomla and not only is it free and open source CMS, you're able to customise and add extensions as appropriate for your client. Check out the demo at: http://demo.joomla.org/ Joomla! 1.5 is suppose to be out soon but the beta version is available to play around with. This company (http://www.compassdesigns.net/) solely provides clients with Joomla! CMS sites. Kevin Ross wrote: Hi: I have a question which has surfaced due to an upcoming requirement. I have built a web site for a client who now wants to be able to manage the site on her own. She is computer literate, but not a web designer, by any means. I am new to the idea of Content Management systems and am really trying to wrap my brain around what they really do and how to set one up. I guess I am wondering how other designers handle this type of issue? How do you setup clients to manage their own site so they are not having to take a detailed course in Web Design. I hope my concern is understood, as I have been thinking about this issue for a while and have investigated certain software... Joomla, Wordpress... Can anyone lend a hand? Thanks very much... Regards, Kevin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] The use of asterisks in forms to indicate required fields
But sometimes at least one phone number might be required but others are optional (e.g. mobile, home, fax etc) - doesn't seem as logical to split your phone number fields up into different groupings. On Mon, 28 May 2007 10:26:31 +1000, Mike at Green-Beast.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mordechai Peller wrote: Interesting; but what if you need (as is commonly the case) non-required fields interspersed with required ones? Optional I suppose. Just group them accordingly using the technique. fieldset legendOptional:/legend labelPhone input [...] / /label labelWeb site input [...] / /label /fieldset In a new fieldset grouping optional inputs. Cheers. Mike Cherim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Review (www.richardson.co.nz)
Looks good. Only comment I'd make is about your skills and their ratings: at the moment that information is only really of value to people already in the web dev game and not really useful to anyone who doesn't know anything about web development but who wants a website done. If you're not really targetting the latter sort of people, and are only looking to outsource your work to other agencies, then what you've got is probably fine. On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:05:01 +1000, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day all, I've decided to make the jump from full time web development to freelance work. Mostly front end development, (X)HTML/CSS/JavaScript development etc. Anyway, to support myself, I've created a portfolio here: www.richardson.co.nz I just want to make sure I haven't missed anything obvious with the build phase of things. If you've all got time to have a look at the code/design and give me some feedback that would be fantastic. It's somewhat off topic but I don't think my copy writing is too hot, if anyone has some suggestions on how to present myself better then I'd love to hear them. I'm going to be dealing strictly with design companies rather then the public so I've tried to keep thing short. Thanks heaps! -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Map of Australia Image Map
You could probably use this techique: http://alistapart.com/articles/sprites On Fri, 25 May 2007 11:44:15 +1000, Felisimina Jom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone We are trying to put together a map of Australia where the states appear on hover and are clickable. As I understand it, the hover state can't be used in area so I wonder if there is a way to display the States on hover without using javascript? Has anybody seen or created way of displaying States on hover using CSS only? Thanks in advance for your advice. Felisimina *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?
Surely Wordpress (can't speak for Textpattern) will output whatever you put into your templates, including doctype? On Fri, 25 May 2007 13:55:47 +1000, David Hucklesby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following up on Lisa McLaughlin's recent query about blogging software, I wonder if anyone can help me find a CMS that lets me use Plain Old Semantic HTML? I'm not convinced XHTML is the wave of the future for web sites, but cannot find a version of TextPattern or WordPress or the like that does not use XHTML markup (and sends it as HTML !) (FWIW - I love Textile, but that, too, creates XHTML.) Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] stand alone blog software
When you say you've been looking to no avail, what have you looked at and why were they no good? On Thu, 24 May 2007 08:41:04 +1000, Lisa B McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Calling all blog wizards! I need a stand alone blogging software that I can insert into a client's website so they keep their branding and can update their own blogs. I've looked around to no avail. Any suggestions for where to look, how to look, or anything you use that fits the bill? Requirements are images, postings, replies to the original posting plus ability to respond to individual posts. The site is a UK charitable organization that needs the posts to be monitored,anonymous, and secure. The real trick here is being able to pull this off without fancy programming skills. I am willing to host wherever is necessary instead of hosting on my regular servers. TIA, Lisa Lisa B. McLaughlin, NCW [EMAIL PROTECTED] T: +44 (0) 1943 468624 M: +44 (0) 7835 947606 AllSpunUp Websites that work for you. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Form drop-downs for countries
There was a discussion on this on Roger Johansson's site last year: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200608/selecting_country_names_in_forms/ On Thu, 24 May 2007 08:58:16 +1000, Sarah Peeke (XERT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering what you think about form usability scenarios for drop-downs for countries. I currently maintain a database of countries which is displayed alphabetically in a form drop-down. To save the user having to scroll, I'm considering repeating common countries at the top of the drop-down (as I've seen in use elsewhere), but I'm not sure how accessible that would be. Alternatively, I'm thinking of defaulting to USA - the site I'm working on has an international focus. I would prefer not to use javascript. Thanks Sarah -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Mocking up web interfaces
I use Fireworks. On Thu, 24 May 2007 09:22:42 +1000, Douglas Reith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, Just a quick one - what do people most commonly mock up web site designs in? (Photoshop?) Also, if possible, Linux and GPL or similar would be great!! Cheers, Doug -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Photo gallery markup semantics
Does it even have that relationship? Does it matter to anybody other than some twonk from merchandising whether the blue sweater comes before the red dress? If a list is to be used (and I don't disagree with the use of a list in this case) then it seems to me that an unordered list should be sufficient - unless the aforementioned twonk insists that it's *really* important that yellow clothes come before green ones. As I said, I couldn't say for certain what the relationship might be, but my guess with the example given, as it's a photo gallery site, would be that the photographer/artist feels like the photos should be in a certain sequence, perhaps to facilitate the telling of a story through images. That's only a theory without any back-up info from the original poster, but I think illustrates that there could be occasions when adding an order to images might be important. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 problem
I'm not seeing the problems as you describe - the content appears in the same place in FF IE6 on both pages. There are couple of other problems in IE6 though: on the form page, your textareas are aligned right and not with the text above them and on the calendar page, none of the links in the left nav are clickable. You're also using legends incorrectly. There should only be one legend per fieldset which describes all the fields. The text associated with each textarea should be in a label tag instead. On Mon, 14 May 2007 10:27:46 +1000, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again Still on the same website ... Apparently on a couple of pages in IE6, the main content isn¹t starting till after the end of the leftnav div ie. Further down the page. It is fine in IE7 and Firefox. And fine on Firefox and Safari on the Mac. The pages concerned have either got a form, or else a large graphic near the top of the content area. Example pages: http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/feedback.html Or http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/calendar/January.html Anyone know what the fix is for this? I wish there was one website where you could go and look up all the individual fixes for things ... I tend to learn things, and then forget them if I don¹t use them again quickly, so have to keep asking!! Cheers susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 problem
It's not the links on the calendar that don't work - it's the links in the left nav. Not sure why but it's something to do with the h2 because taking it out fixes the problem. On Mon, 14 May 2007 12:58:37 +1000, Sam Sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: works fine in ff, opera ie on windows 2000 I click the beige links and get pdf's - S On 14/05/07, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I've sorted out the textarea problem! Now it's just the links on the calendar page that aren't clickable ... ?! - susie On 14/5/07 12:04 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks again John. I had to rely on someone else to tell me about IE6 and that's what she said. Obviously something else for her! And thanks for your info on my incorrect use of forms (!) However ...Now that I've changed the tags, and hopefully aligned the textareas, something else has cropped up. (Doesn't it always?!) Now the last textarea on the form page is aligning right, and try what I may I can't bring it back. Can you see where I'm doing something wrong? And re the links on the calendar page - any thoughts on why they're not clickable? - susie On 14/5/07 11:05 AM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not seeing the problems as you describe - the content appears in the same place in FF IE6 on both pages. There are couple of other problems in IE6 though: on the form page, your textareas are aligned right and not with the text above them and on the calendar page, none of the links in the left nav are clickable. You're also using legends incorrectly. There should only be one legend per fieldset which describes all the fields. The text associated with each textarea should be in a label tag instead. On Mon, 14 May 2007 10:27:46 +1000, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again Still on the same website ... Apparently on a couple of pages in IE6, the main content isn¹t starting till after the end of the leftnav div ie. Further down the page. It is fine in IE7 and Firefox. And fine on Firefox and Safari on the Mac. The pages concerned have either got a form, or else a large graphic near the top of the content area. Example pages: http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/feedback.html Or http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/calendar/January.html Anyone know what the fix is for this? I wish there was one website where you could go and look up all the individual fixes for things ... I tend to learn things, and then forget them if I don¹t use them again quickly, so have to keep asking!! Cheers susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Help needed
1. In the lefthand nav I would have liked to have some of the 2nd level Œlink¹s not links. But my code is up the creek and I can¹t make them line up or be the same font size unless they¹re all links. Any clues on what I¹m doing wrong here? Are these IE problems? If so, it's because the anchors are set to display block which causes a bug in IE which can be reset by also giving the anchors a dimension. 2. And also, the bottom 2 2nd-level links jump when you roll over them. I can¹t see why! The top 2 are OK. I'm not really seeing this but it's probably a hasLayout issue which may be solved by adding a dimension to the problem element or its parent. 3. I also can¹t see why the Œfoot2¹ style isn¹t applying to the footer. I don't see any footer2 styles in your CSS. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Help needed
Can't help you with your Mac problems, I can only tell you what I see in Windows (and the suggested fixes will still apply), but for the footer problem, remove */ from just above /* FOOTER STYLE */ - it's closing a comment that's not opened. On Fri, 11 May 2007 13:00:49 +1000, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/5/07 12:30 PM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Are these IE problems? If so, it's because the anchors are set to display block which causes a bug in IE which can be reset by also giving the anchors a dimension. No I'm looking at this in Firefox on a Mac. It doesn't happen in Safari ... snip I'm not really seeing this but it's probably a hasLayout issue which may be solved by adding a dimension to the problem element or its parent. Ditto the above ... I don't know what this 'hasLayout' thing is ... snip I don't see any footer2 styles in your CSS. It's there - I've doublechecked. Near the bottom ... :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Help needed
You really only need a dimension on the anchors to overcome an IE/Windows
bug when they're set to display: block so you can either use * html #nav a
{ height: 1% } or conditional comments. You can probably ignore my other
comment about the hasLayout issue because I assumed it was an IE problem,
but it's not.
On Fri, 11 May 2007 14:30:57 +1000, Susie Gardner-Brown
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Thanks John.
I found the errant */ and the footer is working as it should, so thanks
for that. I don't know where my brain is this afternoon - frozen up I
think!
Would you mind explaining what the fixes actually are? If I give the
anchor
(link) styles a width, I'm not clear how to do that and make it accurate.
Whatever I've tried has taken the bg colour out further than the navbar,
and
hasn't made any difference to the jumping. And what would the code be
for a
hasLayout issue? I haven't come across that before ...
- susie
On 11/5/07 1:27 PM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can't help you with your Mac problems, I can only tell you what I see in
Windows (and the suggested fixes will still apply), but for the footer
problem, remove */ from just above /* FOOTER STYLE */ - it's
closing a
comment that's not opened.
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Re: [WSG] markup for headline and tagline
What markup do you favor for a headline-tagline pair? (The second element could be a tagline or a byline.) h1Thundering Pigs/h1 citea blog by Bob/cite No, cite is for citations. A question on cite: is this an appropriate usage? pThe SitePoint book citeBuild Your Own Web Site The Right Way/cite, by Ian Lloyd, is a great primer for learning acronymHTML/acronym and acronymCSS/acronym./p -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] markup for headline and tagline
You might find the ideas on the following link interesting: http://www.pearsonified.com/2007/04/definitive-guide-to-semantic-markup.php Not a particularly good article in my opinion. He recommends serving site taglines in H2s and then post titles in H1s which in most cases would mean the H2 comes first which is wrong. As for this: Therefore, you shouldn’t serve sidebar headlines inside high and mighty h2 tags. Based on everything we’ve covered so far, you should serve them inside h3 or h4 tags at the most. Who says? How's he to know that people aren't displaying content in their sidebar which deserves to be introduced with a H2? -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] markup for headline and tagline
If the content in the main body of the page starts with a H1, why shouldn't the sidebar content start with a H2? And I've seen sites where the sidebar isn't just an aside - both columns present information of equal weighting. The point is, you can't make blanket statements about what the minimum level of heading tag is that can be used in a certain part of a site. On Mon, 07 May 2007 10:01:36 +1000, Karl Lurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who says? How's he to know that people aren't displaying content in their sidebar which deserves to be introduced with a H2? So you are saying that sidebar content is as important as the main body of the page? If so, shouldn't that content be in the main body of the page? Just being a devils advocate here... Karl *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?
Doesn't More details on product x mean exactly the same thing as Click here for more details on product x if the whole line is a link? Surely people recognise links enough that they don't need to be told to click every single one? On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:10:12 +1000, James Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a related note, though not involving galleries, I find a lot of our clients want to have linked text along the lines of Click here for more details on product x. I have managed to fairly much insist that we always use the entire sentence as a link to show context, rather than just the click here that they tend to want being the only linked part. The main reason I have not been able to get rid of the click here part altogether though is due to an absence of a suitable alternative that incorporates other technologies... Does anyone have any suggestions for these circumstances? Thanks James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Global and page-specific style sheets
Basically if I'm looking to change something in the main nav, I look in mainnav.css, if I'm altering a header for a table in our content area, I look in contentTables.css etc, etc. Or if you've got Firebug, right-click on an element, 'Inspect element' and it tells you exactly what line of your CSS file it's on. ;) -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] target and accessibility
a href=esim/btsa_pt2.htmlWhat the critics say/a a href=mk/introduction_pt3.html What the critics say/a Same text - different destinations. On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 22:43:51 +1000, Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a href=mk/introduction_pt3.html What the critics say/a -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Alpha transparency problem
Have you tried:
#yourDiv {
background-image: none;
filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(src='yourImage.png',sizingMethod='scale');
}
I've used that before for a PNG shadow that runs down the sides of a site.
On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 04:48:16 +1000, Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all!
Is it possible to get MSIE 6 to have a repeated alpha-transparent png
background? Check this page http://ne.keryx.se/~gorgnut/new_site/
It is made by a student of mine and the faded border is supposed to
stretch and the hacks for MSIE I know can't be used if the image gets
repeated.
Lars Gunther
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Re: [WSG] Drop down list IE6 issue
This looks like it fixes it:
#links ul ul a { height: 1% }
On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:53:49 +1000, Christian Fagan
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Hello list,
I have a baffling issue with a drop down list in IE6.
The page is here: http://www.fagandesign.com.au/PROJECTS/MEC/index.html
The CSS is here:
http://www.fagandesign.com.au/PROJECTS/MEC/stylesheets/basic.css
The drop down works perfectly in IE7, FF1.5+, O, (safari - not sure).
In IE6, the drop down list is shown when hovering over the parent link.
However, when you drag the cursor down over the drop down list, it cuts
out when the cursor reaches the underlying paragraph in the next div.
If anybody has dealt with this issue before and could offer some
assistance it would be most appreciated.
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