Re: [WSG] markup for headline and tagline
What markup do you favor for a headline-tagline pair? (The second element could be a tagline or a byline.) h1Thundering Pigs/h1 citea blog by Bob/cite No, cite is for citations. A question on cite: is this an appropriate usage? pThe SitePoint book citeBuild Your Own Web Site The Right Way/cite, by Ian Lloyd, is a great primer for learning acronymHTML/acronym and acronymCSS/acronym./p -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] markup for headline and tagline
What markup do you favor for a headline-tagline pair? (The second element could be a tagline or a byline.) h1Thundering Pigs/h1 citea blog by Bob/cite No, cite is for citations. A question on cite: is this an appropriate usage? pThe SitePoint book citeBuild Your Own Web Site The Right Way/cite, by Ian Lloyd, is a great primer for learning acronymHTML/acronym and acronymCSS/acronym./p Wouldn't it be more like the book title or ship names get an Italic font and use cite if your quote the actual text?eg pThe Sitepoint book a class=ItalicShipBuild Your own websites/a on page 245 states that citeStylesheet font tags should not be used in html documents/cite I generally use abbr title=Hypertext Markup Languagehtml/abbr but it is also an acronym. Can you use acronym abbr title= html /abbr /acronym Tim The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] markup for headline and tagline
At 5/6/2007 12:43 AM, John Faulds wrote: What markup do you favor for a headline-tagline pair? (The second element could be a tagline or a byline.) h1Thundering Pigs/h1 citea blog by Bob/cite No, cite is for citations. A question on cite: is this an appropriate usage? pThe SitePoint book citeBuild Your Own Web Site The Right Way/cite, by Ian Lloyd, is a great primer for learning acronymHTML/acronym and acronymCSS/acronym./p __ HTML 4.01 Specification 9 Text 9.2.1 Phrase elements: EM, STRONG, DFN, CODE, SAMP, KBD, VAR, CITE, ABBR, and ACRONYM http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/text.html#h-9.2.1 CITE: Contains a citation or a reference to other sources. As CITEHarry S. Truman/CITE said, Q lang=en-usThe buck stops here./Q More information can be found in CITE[ISO-]/CITE. __ As I read this definition and these examples, I find it defensible to use CITE to mark up a byline which is, after all, a citation of the author of the piece at hand. A citation does indeed include the author: see http://google.com/search?q=define%3Acitation I suggested CITE in order to seed the discussion. I'm mostly interested in people's recommendations of other byline and tagline markup I might not already be considering. Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] markup for headline and tagline
Paul Novitski wrote: CITE: Contains a citation or a reference to other sources. As I read this definition and these examples, I find it defensible to use CITE to mark up a byline which is, after all, a citation of the author of the piece at hand. Note the to other sources part of the definition, though, compared to of the piece at hand. P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ Take it to the streets ... join the WaSP Street Team http://streetteam.webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] markup for headline and tagline
Paul Novitski wrote: Ah. It appears that you're reading it as: Contains [a citation or a reference] to other sources. and I read it as: Contains [a citation] or [a reference to other sources]. I have to say that the two examples given in the spec seem to support the latter interpretation: To me, they support the former As CITEHarry S. Truman/CITE said, Q lang=en-usThe buck stops here./Q Truman didn't say it here, for this document...he said it somewhere else. More information can be found in CITE[ISO-]/CITE. The information is somewhere else...namely, in the ISO spec. So, by my interpretation, if you cited a blog by blah, it would imply that the blog is actually somewhere else, and you're citing from it. P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ Take it to the streets ... join the WaSP Street Team http://streetteam.webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] markup for headline and tagline
At 5/6/2007 09:41 AM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Paul Novitski wrote: Ah. It appears that you're reading it as: Contains [a citation or a reference] to other sources. and I read it as: Contains [a citation] or [a reference to other sources]. I have to say that the two examples given in the spec seem to support the latter interpretation: To me, they support the former As CITEHarry S. Truman/CITE said, Q lang=en-usThe buck stops here./Q Truman didn't say it here, for this document...he said it somewhere else. More information can be found in CITE[ISO-]/CITE. The information is somewhere else...namely, in the ISO spec. So, by my interpretation, if you cited a blog by blah, it would imply that the blog is actually somewhere else, and you're citing from it. Yes, I see your reasoning, thanks. By the way, even if one were to allow the use of CITE for a byline, I can see from the W3C example that the markup should not be: citeby Bob/cite but rather: tagby citeBob/cite/tag which doesn't help me decide what that tag should be. (Anyway, CITE's inline and I think I'm looking for something normally block.) My goal is still to learn what markup solutions others have settled on for headline/tagline and title/byline pairs. Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] markup for headline and tagline
My goal is still to learn what markup solutions others have settled on for headline/tagline and title/byline pairs. Regards, Paul If you are interested in what others have settled on try the NYT http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/education/06montana.html?_r=1oref=slogin Best, ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] markup for headline and tagline
On Sun, May 6, 2007 6:52 pm, Paul Novitski wrote: My goal is still to learn what markup solutions others have settled on for headline/tagline and title/byline pairs. Regards, Paul Hi Paul, You might find the ideas on the following link interesting: http://www.pearsonified.com/2007/04/definitive-guide-to-semantic-markup.php Stuart -- Stuart Foulstone. http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk BigEasy Web Design 69 Flockton Court Rockingham Street Sheffield S1 4EB Tel. 07751 413451 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] markup for headline and tagline
You might find the ideas on the following link interesting: http://www.pearsonified.com/2007/04/definitive-guide-to-semantic-markup.php Not a particularly good article in my opinion. He recommends serving site taglines in H2s and then post titles in H1s which in most cases would mean the H2 comes first which is wrong. As for this: Therefore, you shouldn’t serve sidebar headlines inside high and mighty h2 tags. Based on everything we’ve covered so far, you should serve them inside h3 or h4 tags at the most. Who says? How's he to know that people aren't displaying content in their sidebar which deserves to be introduced with a H2? -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] markup for headline and tagline
Who says? How's he to know that people aren't displaying content in their sidebar which deserves to be introduced with a H2? So you are saying that sidebar content is as important as the main body of the page? If so, shouldn't that content be in the main body of the page? Just being a devils advocate here... Karl *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] markup for headline and tagline
If the content in the main body of the page starts with a H1, why shouldn't the sidebar content start with a H2? And I've seen sites where the sidebar isn't just an aside - both columns present information of equal weighting. The point is, you can't make blanket statements about what the minimum level of heading tag is that can be used in a certain part of a site. On Mon, 07 May 2007 10:01:36 +1000, Karl Lurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who says? How's he to know that people aren't displaying content in their sidebar which deserves to be introduced with a H2? So you are saying that sidebar content is as important as the main body of the page? If so, shouldn't that content be in the main body of the page? Just being a devils advocate here... Karl *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] markup for headline and tagline
Karl Lurman wrote: Who says? How's he to know that people aren't displaying content in their sidebar which deserves to be introduced with a H2? So you are saying that sidebar content is as important as the main body of the page? If so, shouldn't that content be in the main body of the page? Following the (self aggrandising, and very SEO slanted) logic of the article, you'd have something like H1 - title of post H2 - subheading 1 of post H2 - subheading 2 of post H2 - subheading 3 of post H3 - sidebar heading 1 H3 - sidebar heading 2 ... From a document outline point of view, this would suggest that the H3s are subsections of the last H2...which, of course, they aren't. The sidebar heading can be seen as a sibling to the actual post title. That article tries to portray opinion as absolute dogma... The following view may be just as valid, depending on how you view the structure of the page H1 - site identity H2 - title of post H3 - subheading 1 of post ... H2 - sidebar heading 1 ... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ Take it to the streets ... join the WaSP Street Team http://streetteam.webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] markup for headline and tagline
What markup do you favor for a headline-tagline pair? (The second element could be a tagline or a byline.) h1Thundering Pigs/h1 citea blog by Bob/cite h1Thundering Pigs/h1 p class=taglinea blog by Bob/p h1Thundering Pigs/h1 div class=taglinea blog by Bob/div h1Thundering Pigs/h1 h2a blog by Bob/h2 I've usually gone: h1Thundering Pigs spana blog by Bob/span/h1 Who knew you could do things different ways? ;) Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] markup for headline and tagline
I've usually gone:
h1Thundering Pigs spana blog by Bob/span/h1
Who knew you could do things different ways? ;)
I do something very similar, but using a colon:
h1Thundering Pigsspan: a blog by Bob/span/h1
CSS:
h1 span {display:block;text-indent:-.3em}
If the document is styled we get a line break *without* the colon and if it
is unstyled we get the colon *without* the line break (and elements share
the same font-size).
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Re: [WSG] markup for headline and tagline
At 5/5/2007 09:16 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: I've usually gone: h1Thundering Pigs spana blog by Bob/span/h1 I do something very similar, but using a colon: h1Thundering Pigsspan: a blog by Bob/span/h1 Interesting. I see the title and the tagline as being semantic siblings, but I guess in some circumstances the tagline could be seen as a child of the title -- for example in the case of title subtitle. If the second unit is a byline I feel an even stronger urge to individuate them: h1Thundering Pigs/h1 tagby Bob/tag Any other suggestions? Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
