RE: [WSG] style attribute depreciated in xhtml 1.1?
Semantic markup like this also makes it much easier to change your mind as you evolve the styling, and to use alternative conventions for localized pages where appropriate. RI Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog: http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Trick Sent: 15 March 2005 19:20 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] style attribute depreciated in xhtml 1.1? Thanks, Sounds like a good idea, plus it saves me the headache of validating their css. Alan Trick Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote: Hi Alan, Both span class=red and span style=color:#f00 are bad. How about BBtags this: [important] [highlight] [note] [misc] then you use this markup: em class=important em class=hightlight .. Regards, -Vlad http://xstandard.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] style attribute depreciated in xhtml 1.1?
Alan Trick wrote:
I just found you that the style attribute is depreciated in xhtml
1.1. Does this mean that it will eventually be obolete? If so, what
do they expect us to do for inline styles because it doesn't always
make sense to have everything in an external style sheet.
Well, unless they deprecate this also:
style type=text/css
/*![CDATA[*/
@media screen {
.int01 {background-color: #def; clear: right;}
.int03 {margin-top: 15px;}
...
}
/*]]*/
/style
...I'll keep page-specific styles in the page head. Makes more sense no
matter what DTD I code in accordance to, since it's a real, compact,
stylesheet that follows the page.
Sidenote: I've observed some buggy behavior with inline-styles, as they
are sometimes ignored if I use a stylesheet switcher. This may cause
positioning-errors and alike, with no cross-browser predictability.
Styles in the head are working reliable though.
regards
Georg
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Re: [WSG] style attribute depreciated in xhtml 1.1?
Hi Alan, I just found you that the style attribute is depreciated in xhtml 1.1. Does this mean that it will eventually be obolete? It depends on what you mean by obolete. Deprecated means that it's part of the spec but the construct is outdated and its use is strongly discouraged. The next version of XHTML is 2.0 which won't get wide acceptance for 5 to 10 years. It's in Working Draft status. In it, the style is not flagged deprecated but that can change. Here is what the spec says: Note: use of the style attribute is strongly discouraged in favor of the style element and external style sheets. In addition, content developers are advised to avoid use of the style attribute on content intended for use on small devices, since those devices may not support the use of in-line styles. Source: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-styleAttribute.html If so, what do they expect us to do for inline styles because it doesn't always make sense to have everything in an external style sheet. Can you provide some example of how you want to use inline formatting? Regards, -Vlad http://xstandard.com Alan Trick wrote: I just found you that the style attribute is depreciated in xhtml 1.1. Does this mean that it will eventually be obolete? If so, what do they expect us to do for inline styles because it doesn't always make sense to have everything in an external style sheet. Alan Trick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] style attribute depreciated in xhtml 1.1?
I'm implementing some BBtag-like things on my webste though, and it semes to make more sense to have something like [red] create a span style='color:#f00'/span instead of a span class='red'/span and have a whole bunch of unnecesary styles, and if I want to allow something like [span style='color:#123'], that is quite difficult to do via classes and external/internal css. The only other place I've used it is when I want to randomly generate a background-image or something, but that probably better doen with internal css Alan Trick Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote: Hi Alan, I just found you that the style attribute is depreciated in xhtml 1.1. Does this mean that it will eventually be obolete? It depends on what you mean by obolete. Deprecated means that it's part of the spec but the construct is outdated and its use is strongly discouraged. The next version of XHTML is 2.0 which won't get wide acceptance for 5 to 10 years. It's in Working Draft status. In it, the style is not flagged deprecated but that can change. Here is what the spec says: Note: use of the style attribute is strongly discouraged in favor of the style element and external style sheets. In addition, content developers are advised to avoid use of the style attribute on content intended for use on small devices, since those devices may not support the use of in-line styles. Source: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-styleAttribute.html If so, what do they expect us to do for inline styles because it doesn't always make sense to have everything in an external style sheet. Can you provide some example of how you want to use inline formatting? Regards, -Vlad http://xstandard.com Alan Trick wrote: I just found you that the style attribute is depreciated in xhtml 1.1. Does this mean that it will eventually be obolete? If so, what do they expect us to do for inline styles because it doesn't always make sense to have everything in an external style sheet. Alan Trick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] style attribute depreciated in xhtml 1.1?
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:49:00 -, Alan Trick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm implementing some BBtag-like things on my webste though, and it semes to make more sense to have something like [red] create a span style='color:#f00'/span instead of a span class='red'/span and have a whole bunch of unnecesary styles, and if I want to allow something like [span style='color:#123'], that is quite difficult to do via classes and external/internal css. Note this similarity: span class='red' font color='red' This kind of markup is deprecated since HTML4. -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] style attribute depreciated in xhtml 1.1?
Hi Alan, Both span class=red and span style=color:#f00 are bad. How about BBtags this: [important] [highlight] [note] [misc] then you use this markup: em class=important em class=hightlight .. Regards, -Vlad http://xstandard.com Alan Trick wrote: I'm implementing some BBtag-like things on my webste though, and it semes to make more sense to have something like [red] create a span style='color:#f00'/span instead of a span class='red'/span and have a whole bunch of unnecesary styles, and if I want to allow something like [span style='color:#123'], that is quite difficult to do via classes and external/internal css. The only other place I've used it is when I want to randomly generate a background-image or something, but that probably better doen with internal css Alan Trick Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote: Hi Alan, I just found you that the style attribute is depreciated in xhtml 1.1. Does this mean that it will eventually be obolete? It depends on what you mean by obolete. Deprecated means that it's part of the spec but the construct is outdated and its use is strongly discouraged. The next version of XHTML is 2.0 which won't get wide acceptance for 5 to 10 years. It's in Working Draft status. In it, the style is not flagged deprecated but that can change. Here is what the spec says: Note: use of the style attribute is strongly discouraged in favor of the style element and external style sheets. In addition, content developers are advised to avoid use of the style attribute on content intended for use on small devices, since those devices may not support the use of in-line styles. Source: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-styleAttribute.html If so, what do they expect us to do for inline styles because it doesn't always make sense to have everything in an external style sheet. Can you provide some example of how you want to use inline formatting? Regards, -Vlad http://xstandard.com Alan Trick wrote: I just found you that the style attribute is depreciated in xhtml 1.1. Does this mean that it will eventually be obolete? If so, what do they expect us to do for inline styles because it doesn't always make sense to have everything in an external style sheet. Alan Trick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
