Re: [XFree86] Compile problems for 4.2.99.3/startx problems
At 01:41 AM 1/20/03, you wrote: Thank you for the post-mortem analysis on how it ended up being so difficult. Very useful, I think! It has always seemed to me that problem resolution without the post-mortem analysis is a good way to see the problem again. Far too many people and organizations are in a hurry to dispose of the problem without looking for the cause. Like treating the symptoms and ignoring the disease. Perhaps effective in the short run, but costly in the long run. Again, thanks to all of you that helped, -g If you haven't got time to do it right at this time, when will you have time to do it over? ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Compile problems for 4.2.99.3/startx problems
At 08:28 AM 1/19/03, you wrote: On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Greg Julius wrote: I started completely over. Saved off my tarballs (kernel and XFree86-cvstree) and various other items and did a complete reinstall. I made sure that libpng and zlib were there. Remember libpng missing is what Just libpng and zlib is not enough. You must have libpng-devel and zlib-devel. The -devel versions of packages contain the header files AND the libraries. The versions without -devel contain obly the libraries. I got it workin! Starts every time now. Looks wonderful. As I mentioned above I started over with a fresh install. I selected all of the system and gnome development things and left off a bunch of stuff I wasn't ready to play with. Install went fine. Built installed the 2.4.20 Kernel (with changes previously discussed about) Browsed to make sure that zlib and libpng were available. Built and installed the XFree86 cvs branch 4.2.99.3. Compiled with no problems and installed with no problems. [Drat those missing files :( ] Then I built the i830.o module as per David Dawes instructions on 845G and installed so it could be automatically found. Rebooted. Made sure i830 was showing up in lsmod (not exactly sure when I did this after the boot however) - it was there. Started X and ... Nothing - same thing - blank screen. Gurr! I was going back into the XF86Config to switch the driver to vesa when it occurred to me to check again the horizontal and vertical refresh rates for my monitor. I pulled out the documents that I had gotten from the web when I first started this and sure enough, 30-75 kHz is what it said. Just what I had. But then I looked at another document for the same monitor and noted it said 31.5-64 kHz. Humm. OK, not much different but let's see. Changed and rebooted and startx and ... Gnome! Hot Dawg! OK, why did I end up on the wrong path all this time? startx never started correctly after the install. I searched the net and found that I need the 845 driver, but in the meantime could use the vesa driver. Changing to the vesa driver did result in the startx starting Gnome and looked reasonable. It just wouldn't restart. Couldn't switch consoles, and standby killed it. That seemed to rule out refresh rate issues. And the installation program (anaconda) ran beautifully in high color and resolution - it must have gotten the settings right. No? No. It didn't. At least I have a variation of the EV700 Gateway monitor with a lower refresh rate than the install program picked. Bummer, all of this time, all of you good folk's help, patience, and effort, just because of a mis-direction. Crum. I want to say THANK Y'ALL, THANK Y'ALL, THANK Y'ALL. I'm sorry I wasted so much of your time. But, IT WORKS NOW!!! It even goes to stand-by, powers down, and wakes up. I can switch consoles and back. I can stop and restart without a reboot. Hot Dawg! Thanks again, -g Gee, Doc., now that the surgery is finished, it doesn't hurt so bad ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] Ping
Ping. I'm sorry to litter the inbox with something like this, but I haven't been getting a response to my message (others yes, but not mine). So, if a couple of you would simply reply to this message I'll get an idea if something isn't working. I checked my options and I think I have them right. I just turned on receive posts I send and positive acknowledgment just to see. Thanks, -g ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Ping
Peter, thanks for the Ping reply. At least I know the stuff is getting there. That was the purpose of this message. I will re-send the original message now that I know stuff is working. It will be titled startx problems. Thanks, -g At 01:18 PM 1/16/03, you wrote: On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Greg Julius wrote: I'm sorry to litter the inbox with something like this, but I haven't been getting a response to my message (others yes, but not mine). So, if a And your message was? (it probably has been deleted from more inboxes than mine so a reminder with no clues/hints/content like this doesn't help much) -Peter -- We must give reparations to, or pay for affirmative action for, black Americans by identifying and taxing the descendents of the black Africans in Africa who captured and sold black Africans to the slave ships. ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86 ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] startx problems.
(This is a re-send of a previous post). I have been having a ton of problems with my RH 8.0 associated with my i845 chipset on my motherboard. I have put in the 4.2.20 kernel - just fine now. I installed the XFree86 4.2.99.3 binaries and things stopped. I just did a XFree86 -configure and put the resulting configuration file in /etc/X11/XF86Config. I restarted the system. I did a startx. Nothing but blank screen. Edited the config file and replaced the i810 driver with vesa. restarted the system again. I did a startx. This time I got something. I'm not sure what it was, but it wasn't my pretty interface before the binary install. It a desktop for lack of a better term. It had a clock (hard to read, but analog format). It had two terminal windows with dark backgrounds and one terminal window with a light background. exiting the light one exits everything. 1) How do I get my pretty interface back (GNOME)? I tried switchdesk GNOME, but I got the same stuff. 2) Must I always reboot after I stop a startx? If I don't I just get a blank screen. Please help! Any answer to any of these questions will be welcome. -g To Do: Get GNOME back. Get startx to restart without a reboot. Get correct drivers in place. ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] startx problems.
Thanks again Peter, here are the responses, Tsk, tsk. Kids these days. You are *sooo* lucky. We had to program by moving magnets back and forth over the floppy disk. You had floppys? I thought it was done with a pencil and this long strip of paper... :) what is the contents of your .xinitrc file? Mine just says: exec gnome-session I don't have an .xinitrc file. (at least ' find . | grep xinitrc ' from / doesn't find it) Then you should perhaps have one. OK, I do now. I got a gnome startup (higher resolution than before). Right clicked and asked for a new window to test browsing and it seemed to keep starting things. I switched over to console F1 and I have a bunch of messages: nautilus: relocation error: /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0: undefined symbol: FT_Set_Hint_Flags FAMOpen failed, FAMErrno=0 FAMOpen failed, FAMErrno=0 FAMOpen failed, FAMErrno=0 which just repeat. No luck going back to F7 however. If I look at the log, I don't get any EE messages, and only (WW) VESA(0): Bad V_Bios checksum (I seem to get it twice however). Lots of -- ** II and == stuff. Aha! That's interesting, don't you think? I think most of what I'm running into as interesting. Informative is another matter :D . Can you send the whole log? (as attachment or inline) There might be yet another subtle hint in there somewhere. You want me to post the config and the log to the list? Or should I send via private email? Seems kinda big to send copies everywhere. -g
Re: [XFree86] startx problems.
Followup to last post: Scott suggested an insmod on agpgart before starting X. So I did a modprobe agpgart as seen in another place, then lsmod to verify it was there, then startx. X started. Switched to console F1 (because that nautilus thing looped again). Then did a Ctrl-Alt-F7 and it came back. That was a first. BUT, I switched away again and it wouldn't come back. Still have the same problems. Something must not be getting reset. Regarding the Memory in the BIOS, I have: AGP Aperture Size (MB) [64] On-Chip VGA [Enabled] On-Chip Frame Buffer Size[8MB] (other option was 1 MB) On-Chip VGA Turbo Mode[AUTO] (other options are Enabled and Disabled) -g History: Here are the responses. Possibly a few more pasted in from others as well. I have put in the 4.2.20 kernel - just fine now. I installed the XFree86 Yes, kernel, but I goofed with the # it is 2.4.20. Sorry, The first instructions I received indicated I needed the 2.4.20 kernel so I started down that line. See http://www.xfree86.org/~dawes/845driver.html . Where did you get it? Compile from source or a binary package from somewhere? Did you get the DRI module, too? The 2.4.20 kernel I got from Linux.org - compiled from source with gcc 3.2 The 4.2.99.3 XFree I got from XFree86.org as a binary. I have also brought the cvs tree for 4.2.99.3 down yesterday so I have the source. I haven't as yet figured out how to build XFree86 and all of its parts from the source. Did I get the DRI module? How would I know? What should it have been in. I didn't download anything specific. What does lsmod tell you before you run startx? I have put some stuff up on my website: lsmod:http://www.outtacyte.com/outtacyte/ref/lsmodlist XFree86.0.log:http://www.outtacyte.com/outtacyte/ref/XFree86-log XF86Config:http://www.outtacyte.com/outtacyte/ref/XF86Config The config file comes from XFree86 -configure and I've only changed the driver from i810 to vesa. About the weird blanking when switching between virtual consoles (Ctrl-Alt-Fn), have you tried the vesafb ? (easier to do if you compile the kernel from source, I think) what is vesafb? Is this a driver? What would I do to try it out? Other Questions asked by others: Scott: Are you loading the AGP GART driver? I'm not very familiar with Linux, but your symptoms sound like those that I experienced in FreeBSD before figured out that I had to load the AGP GART driver into my kernel at boot-time. I have the following AGP/DRM CONFIG_AGP=m CONFIG_AGP_INTEL=y CONFIG_AGP_I810=y CONFIG_AGP_VIA=y CONFIG_AGP_AMD=y # CONFIG_AGP_AMD_8151 is not set CONFIG_AGP_SIS=y CONFIG_AGP_ALI=y CONFIG_AGPSWORKS=y CONFIG_DRM=y # CONFIG_DRM_OLD is not set # # DRM 4.1 drivers # CONFIG_DRM_NEW=y CONFIG_DRM_TDFX=m CONFIG_DRM_R128=m CONFIG_DRM_RADEON=m CONFIG_DRM_I810=m # CONFIG_DRM_I810_XFREE_41 is not set CONFIG_DRM_I830=m CONFIG_DRM_MGA=m CONFIG_DRM_SIS=m I can recompile with any changes necessary easily. I always add the monitor's VertRefresh HorizSync settings into XF86Config before doing the startx... If I don't do this, I seem to have a lot of problems :) I've done this while goofing around with this problem. Didn't help. It's not in the current configuration. I've tried leaving the XF86Config file pretty much as XFree86 generated it for me. I had all sorts of problems with the vesa driver on this chipset. Once got the i810 driver to work (and the only trick to that was loading the AGP GART kernel module at boot) these problems disappeared. Also, make sure that DRI and GLX (tho, I don't know if these work with vesa) are loading in your config. Also, I think there's some video memory allocation issues if you're using vesa... There's some info on that here: http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/intel845g/linux.htm Humm, I'll have to look into that. I have noticed some issues in the log before, but I didn't think much of them. The log file is referenced above. I do have a bunch of memory on the thing however. I notice the memory spec is not mentioned in this incarnation of the config file. OK, that's all the questions. I'll read up on that memory thing mentioned by Scott whilst waiting for the next set of responses. Thanks to all of you who are helping! -g
[XFree86] How do I extract the source from the cvs?
Hello y'all, I accessed the XFree86.org cvs yesterday and checked out the 4.2.99.3 branch. It took nearly all day yesterday to 'download'. How do I extract the source for 4.2.99.3? Or is it already extracted and I've just got to do the make World etc? I've been poking around, but I'm getting confusled. I haven't find any instructions which are simple enough for a dummy like me. What I've found is either out of date (talking about old releases) or assumes I know more than I do. Sigh. Is there a document any of you would like to point me to? Or give me the synopsis and then maybe I can find the rest. Thanks for your patience and help. -g I'm learning a lot real fast, but it seems so slow. ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] How do I extract the source from the cvs?
At 05:38 PM 1/16/03, you wrote: I accessed the XFree86.org cvs yesterday and checked out the 4.2.99.3 branch. It took nearly all day yesterday to 'download'. You must be on an analog modem :) How do I extract the source for 4.2.99.3? Or is it already extracted and I've just got to do the make World etc? I've been poking around, but I'm getting confusled. I haven't find any instructions which are simple enough for a dummy like me. What I've found is either out of date (talking about old releases) or assumes I know more than I do. Sigh. There is no need to extract it. If you used CVSup then the source will be in whatever directory you specified as the prefix in the config file. Head into that directory, then into xc Then type make World and wait. OK, I got a message that said: Full build of Release 6.6 of the X Window System complete. It didn't mention 4.2.99.3 so it's made me a bit leary, go ahead and do the make install? When done, type make install. Then give it a try. -Don
[XFree86] startx problems.
I have been having a ton of problems with my RH 8.0 associated with my i845 chipset on my motherboard. I have put in the 4.2.20 kernel - just fine now. I installed the XFree86 4.2.99.3 binaries and things stopped. I just did a XFree86 -configure and put the resulting configuration file in /etc/X11/XF86Config. I restarted the system. I did a startx. Nothing but blank screen. Edited the config file and replaced the i810 driver with vesa. restarted the system again. I did a startx. This time I got something. I'm not sure what it was, but it wasn't my pretty interface before the binary install. It a desktop for lack of a better term. It had a clock (hard to read, but analog format). It had two terminal windows with dark backgrounds and one terminal window with a light background. exiting the light one exits everything. 1) How do I get my pretty interface back (GNOME)? I tried switchdesk GNOME, but I got the same stuff. 2) Must I always reboot after I stop a startx? If I don't I just get a blank screen. Please help! Any answer to any of these questions will be welcome. -g To Do: Get GNOME back. Get startx to restart without a reboot. Get correct drivers in place. ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
