Re: Almost happy with Yojimbo the way it is
Good afternoon, On 1/5/08 at 12:04 AM -0400, Jerry Weldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In other words, I want to be able to have multiple self-contained library databases. This would not add any complexity whatsoever for those who like Yojimbo the way it is--they can simply continue using one monolithic library--but it would add an order of magnitude of usefulness for me, and I suspect for others as well. There is another software package, can't recall the name of it right now, which will manage multiple prefs/databases/whatever for programs that are not designed around 'documents'. You should be able to use that to have multiple databases for Yojimbo. Charlie -- Charlie Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] PO Box 141, Windsor, NSW 2756, Australia O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Happy with Yojimbo the way it is!
On 2008-05-01, at 04:44, Charlie Garrison wrote: Good afternoon, On 30/4/08 at 5:31 PM -0400, Luis Roca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With that said I’m going to make a non-feature request to the Bare Bones/Yojimbo team : Please don’t include a nested folder feature in the next or any future releases of Yojimbo. PLEASE!!! How refreshing, thanks Luis. :-) I'm also another very satisfied Yojimbo user. When I first started using it, I was creating collections and diligently filing new items. I never use collections now. The search field is way more flexible and very quick. I just add items to Y and trust they will be there when I need them. The content/indexing of items is generally enough to search on (for bookmarks I will often grab the first paragraph of the page to add to comment field). And even though I was using tags religiously, I've even stopped doing that expect for rare circumstances. Yojimbo is my knowledge base, and I've never had any trouble finding info I need. Well, that's not true, I have had problems but it's my own fault for not having moved everything from DevonTHINK yet. So if it's info from that long ago, I fire up DevonTHINK, find the info I was missing, and add it to Yojimbo. And for everyone else who feels they MUST continue asking for the kitchen sink, Please read the last two lines of the sig on every message on this list. I want to use this list to learn how to better use the program we have, not speculate on how an excellent program can maybe improve marginally. Hi all, well I see that everybody are very heppy using Yojimbo, which is good. I am also happy Yojimbo user, and I am still trying to get used to pholosophy of personal management in Yojimbo. It is getting more and more suited for my needs, but when you are using such kind of program you need more and more. I don't want to have big application for everything, but some features IMHO need to be implemented if Yojimbo want to be on top of today personal management application market. Now we have centrilized iCal/TODO store in the Leopard for instance, we have more and more multimedia staff on our HDD so the list of smart collection is growing and growing and tha last, but no least tagging. Would be really nice to have all the home brewed apple scripts implemented in Yojimbo to do PDF Save with tags, automatically tag the items when you drag them to the smart collection, import NetNewsWire webpages with tags etc. Now you have to look throught the Internet sites to find the proper script or try do it by yourself right? So why do not implement all these functionalities to Yojimbo? Krzysztof Maj -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Almost happy with Yojimbo the way it is
There is another software package, can't recall the name of it right now, which will manage multiple prefs/databases/whatever for programs that are rooSwitch http://roobasoft.com/rooSwitch/ --Rhet On 5/1/08, Charlie Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good afternoon, On 1/5/08 at 12:04 AM -0400, Jerry Weldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In other words, I want to be able to have multiple self-contained library databases. This would not add any complexity whatsoever for those who like Yojimbo the way it is--they can simply continue using one monolithic library--but it would add an order of magnitude of usefulness for me, and I suspect for others as well. There is another software package, can't recall the name of it right now, which will manage multiple prefs/databases/whatever for programs that are not designed around 'documents'. You should be able to use that to have multiple databases for Yojimbo. Charlie -- Charlie Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] PO Box 141, Windsor, NSW 2756, Australia O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Almost happy with Yojimbo the way it is
I'm not singling out Rhet, but there are several ideas embodied in this paragraph that bear comment: If someone from BareBones does pipe in, it's usually to say We're never going to add that feature. See previous post... This compares poorly to several other indie-Mac software lists I'm on (such as the forum for Leap and Yep, both excellent applications: http://www.ironicsoftware.com/) where the developer is happy to get feedback on what users actually want and participates in the dialogue. Let me start off by saying no matter what I, or another Bare Bones representative says, a large number of people will be unhappy. For years we said Thanks for the feedback, and we'll consider adding this functionality. Then, email every time we shipped an update we'd get a reminder email, asking why the feature wasn't in that version. Other people waited and waited for the feature to arrive, but it wasn't going to. I thought that was unfair. Now, if a feature request has a known disposition, we generally share that answer. Nested folders? No. If you _have_ to have that feature, you will be better off elsewhere. Does this compare poorly with other companies? I don't know. I prefer the honest answer, whether it makes people happy or not. Another assumption (again, not picking on Rhet) is that implementing every feature request is a good idea. If you take a step back and look at the types of requests people make, with rare exception (nested folders, smart collections, better tag management) they are particular to the requester's existing workflow. The one feature I have to have is not the one feature you have to have, or Charlie has to have, or probably more than a couple people have to have. The implied assumption that tends to go along with almost any request is that adding feature X doesn't increase the complexity of Yojimbo. That is untrue. In a past life, I spent countless hours helping novice Mac users find the files they had lost, because they had no idea where they were saving, or because they saved all their files in the Word folder, and when they updated Word, lost everything. The average computer user is overwhelmed by choices, and as simple as this sounds, every feature or menu item represents a choice. By no means am I the authority on simplicity vs. complexity, but our goal was to make Yojimbo powerful, yet simple to use. Another interesting belief carried by most power users (and I include myself in this group) is that they are representative of all users. This can't be farther from the truth. Everybody on this list sees the mailing list posts. I see those, and tech support inquiries. There are more support inquires than there are posts on this list. Way more. I can assure you that everyone on this list is head and shoulders above most customers writing in for help. If you made it this far, thanks for reading. As your reward, a summary of the popular requests, and their status: Nested folders: Sorry, no. Smart collections: Yes, near the top of the list. Better tagging interactions: Nearer the top of the list. Stuff nobody has asked for: At the top of the list. And before anyone asks why stuff nobody asked for is higher up than the one feature I have to have, remember, nobody asked us to write Yojimbo, either. Updates to other Bare Bones products: What do you think we've been doing since the last Yojimbo update? :-) Steve -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Almost happy with Yojimbo the way it is
On May 1, 2008, at 7:20 AM, Steve Kalkwarf wrote: If you made it this far, thanks for reading. As your reward, a summary of the popular requests, and their status: In fact, it's the first post I've read FULLY for quite a while. Thanks! Updates to other Bare Bones products: What do you think we've been doing since the last Yojimbo update? :-) Well, as they say on Law Order, you opened the door. So, this begs the question: I don't know, what HAVE you been doing with Mailsmith? I paid for Mailsmith a long long time ago. And I haven't used it in a long time. I understand your comments about the one feature I have to have, but ... IMAP. -- Sherman -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Automatically Open PDFs In Other Applications
Hi All, I'm a fairly-new subscriber, so my apologies if this has been covered: Is there any way to automatically open PDFs in a different application? Yojimbo's viewer isn't the greatest. I know this can be done with a right-click (to open Preview), but I'd like to set it up to work automatically, like iPhoto's preferences can be set to open photos in an external editor, such as Photoshop. Thanks in advance for any help:-) Peter Williams Livingston Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[admin] Re: Almost happy with Yojimbo the way it is
Sorry for the interruption, but as a reminder, this is *Yojimbo-Talk* :-) Regards, Patrick Woolsey == Bare Bones Software, Inc.http://www.barebones.com P.O. Box 1048, Bedford, MA 01730-1048 Sherman Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] sez: On May 1, 2008, at 7:20 AM, Steve Kalkwarf wrote: If you made it this far, thanks for reading. As your reward, a summary of the popular requests, and their status: In fact, it's the first post I've read FULLY for quite a while. Thanks! Updates to other Bare Bones products: What do you think we've been doing since the last Yojimbo update? :-) Well, as they say on Law Order, you opened the door. So, this begs the question: I don't know, what HAVE you been doing with Mailsmith? I paid for Mailsmith a long long time ago. And I haven't used it in a long time. I understand your comments about the one feature I have to have, but ... IMAP. -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Automatically Open PDFs In Other Applications
Hi Peter, The Item menu shows a View with Preview option when a PDF is selected. I don't know if you can attach a shortcut to it... (anyone... hint, hint... :) Regards, Carlton On 1 May 2008, at 15:15, Peter Williams wrote: Hi All, I'm a fairly-new subscriber, so my apologies if this has been covered: Is there any way to automatically open PDFs in a different application? Yojimbo's viewer isn't the greatest. I know this can be done with a right-click (to open Preview), but I'd like to set it up to work automatically, like iPhoto's preferences can be set to open photos in an external editor, such as Photoshop. Thanks in advance for any help:-) Peter Williams Livingston Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Almost happy with Yojimbo the way it is
On 01. May. 08, at 17:04 , Steve Kalkwarf wrote: For reasons far to detailed to go into, multiple libraries and .Mac syncing cannot co-exist. Trust me on this one. This is interesting. Is this a (current) limitation of .mac syncing that is associated with SQL CoreData libraries ? I can think of other 3rd party apps that can sync multiple entities over .mac, but perhaps they all have a different data storage model ? Until you made this statement, I was thinking^[1] that this could work as long as all libraries had unique names/IDs. Mark. [1]: FWIW, this is something for which I anticipate a need in certain apps (e.g. Things) with which I work from more than one machine, but not in Yojimbo. I use Yojimbo (perhaps as intended) for storing everything in one place, rather than e.g. keeping private and professional apart. (Maybe the difference is that I retrieve from Yojimbo, but (in this example) work in Things. Clutter in Yojimbo would only be a problem if it prevented me from finding something. -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Automatically Open PDFs In Other Applications
On May 1, 2008, at 7:24 AM, Carlton Gibson wrote: The Item menu shows a View with Preview option when a PDF is selected. I don't know if you can attach a shortcut to it... (anyone... hint, hint... :) You can attach a keyboard shortcut to any menu bar option using System Preferences - Keyboard Mouse - Keyboard Shortcuts. Just hit the little plus (+) button at the bottom to add a new keyboard shortcut, specify Yojimbo, and add the exact name of them menu command you want. Hope this helps. -Dennis -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Almost happy with Yojimbo the way it is
On May 1, 2008, at 8:20 AM, Steve Kalkwarf wrote: snip If you made it this far, thanks for reading. As your reward, a summary of the popular requests, and their status: Nested folders: Sorry, no. Smart collections: Yes, near the top of the list. Better tagging interactions: Nearer the top of the list. Stuff nobody has asked for: At the top of the list. And before anyone asks why stuff nobody asked for is higher up than the one feature I have to have, remember, nobody asked us to write Yojimbo, either. If I'd asked people what they wanted, they would have asked for a better horse. - Henry Ford, industrialist (1863–1947) Updates to other Bare Bones products: What do you think we've been doing since the last Yojimbo update? :-) Is Yojimbo the One True App? No. Doth it rock, nevertheless? Yes it does. Thanks for making it, thanks for continuing to improve it, and I'm looking forward to the next release... -- Lorin Rivers Mosasaur: Killer Technical Marketing http://www.mosasaur.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 512/203.3198 (m) -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Automatically Open PDFs In Other Applications
On 1 May 2008, at 18:04, Dennis wrote: On May 1, 2008, at 7:24 AM, Carlton Gibson wrote: The Item menu shows a View with Preview option when a PDF is selected. I don't know if you can attach a shortcut to it... (anyone... hint, hint... :) You can attach a keyboard shortcut to any menu bar option using System Preferences - Keyboard Mouse - Keyboard Shortcuts. Just hit the little plus (+) button at the bottom to add a new keyboard shortcut, specify Yojimbo, and add the exact name of them menu command you want. Dennis, You're very quickly heading up my favourites list! Thanks (again!) Regards, Carlton -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Effective Feature Requesting (Was: Happy with Yojimbo the way it is!)
On Apr 29, 2008, at 6:54 PM, Keith Ledbetter wrote: On Apr 29, 2008, at 1:41 PM, Scott J. Lopez wrote: I see a lot of messages out there requsting Yojimbo did a lot of things it doesn't and I just want to tell the developers I'm quite happy with Yojimbo the way it is. I think Yojimbo is a fine little application, too. It's just a shame that because it lacks one feature (nested collections) I had to delete it from my hard drive. I keep monitoring online, and I keep hoping that one day that needed feature will be added. People with as much data as I have can't live without nested collections. Not to pick on Keith (at all)... It's almost universal that people who want something new or changed in a piece of software offer a solution (nested collections, for example) rather than an explanation of the problem they're trying to solve that they think their solution addresses. Since the developers have a much deeper, broader and nuanced awareness of what is and is not possible (or even desirable) than the public at large does, it's in best interest of you, as the person who want the change, to couch the request in terms of what you want to achieve rather than the method you imagine would allow you achieve the goal you have in mind. Engineers LOVE to solve problems... One of the biggest challenges in the world of the Decider of What the New Version Does is inverting all these solution requests into problems. My 67¢ (used to be 2¢, but with the devaluation of the peso, I mean dollar)... -- Lorin Rivers Mosasaur: Killer Technical Marketing http://www.mosasaur.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 512/203.3198 (m) -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Effective Feature Requesting (Was: Happy with Yojimbo the way it is!)
For the people who complain it doesn't have XXX feature, did you only notice this after your free 30 day trial period was over? There really is no logical reason someone can complain they bought the product but can't use it effectively because it didn't have XXX. For those who sent Yojimbo to the trash because it didn't have XXX, what product did you move to instead? What was it lacking that Yojimbo has? Did you tell the developers of that product you were going to trash it because it didn't have YYY that Yojimbo did? I would love to hear the success stories of people who trashed Yojimbo because something was better. My point is, no one has any excuse to say they didn't know Yojimbo couldn't meet their needs before buying it, and that any one product will meet every feature they demand^H^H^H^H^H^Hrequest. Scott -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Happy with Yojimbo the way it is!
Lists like these are easy places for people who are very happy with an program to start building wish lists and even discuss shortcomings and workarounds. I don't think the people on this list are unhappy with Yojimbo in anyway. Really, how can they be? It is an excellent program and one that I recommend to anyone who asks. Any many who don't. I follow the GTD methodology quite seriously but as it is stated clearly, everyone needs to make their own system for Getting Things Done. Mr. Allen explains his reasonings and methods but everyone needs to look at themselves and the work and figure out how to make it work for them. I use just one program for my GTD system and it is Yojimbo. It is not designed for this, but it provides everything I need to make my own version work. I own other tools such as Omnifocus, and have run with Thinking Rock, Tasks and others for awhile, but they did not work for me because I needed a bit more control over the system. At the end of the day though, within Yojimbo I could use nested folders for more organizing. It is one of two features that could be added that would be of great value. I don't 'need' them, but would sure use them. It is not a make or break feature, but one that I would sing out for joy if it were added. And to clarify, my system is not waaay to complicated :-) If you give someone folders it is natural for them to want to put them into drawers or boxes or other folders. That is what a folder is, a collection of things. I don't have 100 loose folders lying around my actual physical desk. I have them organized in groups and categories in a drawer and on an organizer. Asking Barebones to take this pretty standard methodology for grouping items together is not a stretch or a failing in anyones system. You don't have to use it, it may be somewhat archaic when you have search, and tags and labels, but it is also simple and clean and comfortable to many people. -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks Steve!
Steve, Thanks for the email. Your list of features and priorities is very helpful! And since it is clear that there will be no nested folders, I promise not to be disappointed when they don't appear in future releases. It's not a deal breakers. If it were I could switch to Together for that one feature. Later -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Happy with Yojimbo the way it is!
It's partly inertia - using what you know. The Finder has nested folders, we all understand nested folders. We understand how to use nested folders to solve a problem...ergo we ask for nested folders to solve similar problems in Yojimbo. Frankly, until I started using tags in the Finder I didn't see tags as a solution to a problem - I saw them as solutions in search of a problem. Further, until Leopard I - and frankly until Leopard and HoudahSpot - I didn't start using tags. So seeing tags as a solution to my Yojimbo tasks took a while. But to go even one step further, Folders are more in your face and tags are more retiring and shy. (What the heck does he mean by that?) In the old Finder days I'd get or create a file and have to decide where to put it. Okay, so it is a work file - I already have a folder called work. That's easy. Hey, I have five folders inside Work and the file fits best inside Requisitions. Problem solved. New style I have to remember that I have tags called Work and Requisitions. Thankfully Yojimbo does autocompletion in the Tags Inspector which works well - if I remember that the tag was called Work as opposed to North Campus Office. Since Tags aren't in my face the way a nested folder is when I open the file selector, I have to think a little more, plan a little better, and sometimes go looking. It irritates me no end when I discover that I have half a dozen documents with one tab and a couple more with a different tab that means the same thing. Even now I'm not convinced that tabs are the logical replacement for nested folders. A useful tool, yes - but a replacement? I'm not convinced yet. But since this is the only complaint I have about Yojimbo I stick with it. However I have also let the developers know in no uncertain terms that when/if a program comes along that fits as well as Yojimbo and offers nested folders, I may well be outa here. david On May 1, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Scott J. Lopez wrote: for the people asking for nested folders, how could tags not help you instead? instead off [Some things] [Sub-Some things] you could set up tags: SomeThings SomeThings:sub1 SomeThings:sub2 Then just search on those tags? Even better, you could (creating a mess) have something in two sub folders at the same time using this method, eliminating duplicates. When life gives you lemons, make lemonade. Yojimbo doesn't give us nested folders, but you can work around that with creative thinking. -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Happy with Yojimbo the way it is!
On May 1, 2008, at 4:28 PM, david wrote: Even now I'm not convinced that tabs are the logical replacement for nested folders. A useful tool, yes - but a replacement? I'm not convinced yet. When Yojimbo first came out I thought the lack of nested folders was a limitation. It took me a while, but I'm fully converted to the tag it and dump it all in one place method of organizing, and Yojimbo is primarily responsible for helping me see the advantages. Nested folders were once the best solution to organizing files on a computer, but now that we have very fast computers that can find things very quickly, the need for nested folders is going away. In fact, since we have such large hard drives that can store so many files, nested folders have begun to become a hindrance rather than a help in finding documents. Here's an example of the now what folder did I put that in problem. In Mail I have _one_ folder in which I store the current year's sent and received messages. When I want to find a message, I can just search, usually by subject, sender, or recipient and find the message I want in a couple of seconds. I save tons of time over when I used to have bunches of folders in which I could store emails. My father still uses the bunches of folders method, and half the time when he goes to find an email he can't find it because he can't remember which folder he put it in. Another thing I do to help me find files easily is giving them very descriptive file names, both in Yojimbo and in the Finder. For instance, a receipt from LL Bean might be named: LL Bean - 2008.04.21 - Shirts for Spring and tagged receipts. Or an article I downloaded from New Scientist might be named: Do we read too much into our need for sleep? - being-human - 15 March 2008 - New Scientist and tagged appropriately. I'd say 80% of the time I search on a file name to find what I'm looking for. As you noted, I think inertia keeps most people thinking they have to keep their file names under 32 characters. My goal is to name files so that not only I know what's in them, but so that anyone that looked at a file on my computer would know what's in it based on the name. I believe that if people gave their files good descriptive names, the fuss about tagging vs. nested folders would nearly be a non-issue. All IMHO of course. -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]