Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL
In the absence of any official response, I guess we just have to assume this list will be shut down, right? So I guess we just have to move to the illumos mailing list, as Deirdre suggests? From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:00 AM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL So, I hear, in a couple weeks' time, opensolaris.org is shutting down. What does that mean for this mailing list? Should we all be moving over to something at illumos or something? I'm going to encourage somebody in an official capacity at opensolaris to respond... I'm going to discourage unofficial responses, like, illumos enthusiasts etc simply trying to get people to jump this list. Thanks for any info ... ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: In the absence of any official response, I guess we just have to assume this list will be shut down, right? So I guess we just have to move to the illumos mailing list, as Deirdre suggests? ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] *On Behalf Of *Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) *Sent:* Friday, February 15, 2013 11:00 AM *To:* zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org *Subject:* [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL ** ** So, I hear, in a couple weeks' time, opensolaris.org is shutting down. What does that mean for this mailing list? Should we all be moving over to something at illumos or something? ** ** I'm going to encourage somebody in an official capacity at opensolaris to respond... I'm going to discourage unofficial responses, like, illumos enthusiasts etc simply trying to get people to jump this list. ** ** Thanks for any info ... That would be the logical decision, yes. Not to poke fun, but did you really expect an official response after YEARS of nothing from Oracle? This is the same company that refused to release any Java patches until the DHS issued a national warning suggesting that everyone uninstall Java. --Tim ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: In the absence of any official response, I guess we just have to assume this list will be shut down, right? So I guess we just have to move to the illumos mailing list, as Deirdre suggests? Or, given that this is a weekend, we assume that someone within Oracle would see this mail only on Monday morning Pacific Time, then send out some mails within, and be able to respond in public only by Wednesday evening Pacific Time at best. -- Sriram From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:00 AM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL So, I hear, in a couple weeks' time, opensolaris.org is shutting down. What does that mean for this mailing list? Should we all be moving over to something at illumos or something? I'm going to encourage somebody in an official capacity at opensolaris to respond... I'm going to discourage unofficial responses, like, illumos enthusiasts etc simply trying to get people to jump this list. Thanks for any info ... ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss -- Belenix: www.belenix.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: So, I hear, in a couple weeks' time, opensolaris.org is shutting down. What does that mean for this mailing list? Should we all be moving over to something at illumos or something? There is a 'illumos-zfs' list for illumos. Please see http://wiki.illumos.org/display/illumos/illumos+Mailing+Lists; for the available lists. Most open discussion of zfs occurs on the illumos list, although there is also useful discussion on the freebsd-fs list at freebsd.org. I'm going to encourage somebody in an official capacity at opensolaris to respond... I'm going to discourage unofficial responses, like, illumos enthusiasts etc simply trying to get people to jump this list. Good for you. I am sure that Larry will be contacting you soon. Previously Oracle announced and invited people to join their discussion forums, which are web-based and virtually dead. Bob -- Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ GraphicsMagick Maintainer,http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL
From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] That would be the logical decision, yes. Not to poke fun, but did you really expect an official response after YEARS of nothing from Oracle? This is the same company that refused to release any Java patches until the DHS issued a national warning suggesting that everyone uninstall Java. Well, yes. We do have oracle employees who contribute to this mailing list. It is not accurate or fair to stereotype the whole company. Oracle by itself is as large as some cities or countries. I can understand a company policy of secrecy about development direction and stuff like that. I would think somebody would be able to officially confirm or deny that this mailing list is going to stop. At least one of their system administrators lurks here... ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL
From: sriram...@gmail.com [mailto:sriram...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Sriram Narayanan Or, given that this is a weekend, we assume that someone within Oracle would see this mail only on Monday morning Pacific Time, then send out some mails within, and be able to respond in public only by Wednesday evening Pacific Time at best. I remembered to take that into account. Question was posted Friday morning, EST. And not every oracle employee subscribes here with their work email address. Nor does everyone limit themselves to conversing in the community during only business hours. Don't forget Monday's a holiday. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL
From: Bob Friesenhahn [mailto:bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us] Good for you. I am sure that Larry will be contacting you soon. hehehehehe... he knows better. ;-) Previously Oracle announced and invited people to join their discussion forums, which are web-based and virtually dead. Invited people with paid support contracts. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL
On Sat, 16 Feb 2013, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] That would be the logical decision, yes. Not to poke fun, but did you really expect an official response after YEARS of nothing from Oracle? This is the same company that refused to release any Java patches until the DHS issued a national warning suggesting that everyone uninstall Java. Well, yes. We do have oracle employees who contribute to this mailing list. It is not accurate or fair to stereotype the whole company. Oracle by itself is as large as some cities or countries. Yes, these remaining employees do so because they still can. Except for those employees brave enough to post to Illumos/OpenIndiana lists (there are some), there will be no more avenues remaining for unmoderated two-way communication with the outside world. There have been some cases where people said unfavorable things about Oracle on this list. Oracle needs to control its message and the principle form of communication will be via private support calls authorized by service contracts and authorized corporate publications. Bob -- Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ GraphicsMagick Maintainer,http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] That would be the logical decision, yes. Not to poke fun, but did you really expect an official response after YEARS of nothing from Oracle? This is the same company that refused to release any Java patches until the DHS issued a national warning suggesting that everyone uninstall Java. Well, yes. We do have oracle employees who contribute to this mailing list. It is not accurate or fair to stereotype the whole company. Oracle by itself is as large as some cities or countries. I can understand a company policy of secrecy about development direction and stuff like that. I would think somebody would be able to officially confirm or deny that this mailing list is going to stop. At least one of their system administrators lurks here... We've got Oracle employees on the mailing list, that while helpful, in no way have the authority to speak for company policy. They've made that clear on numerous occasions And that doesn't change the fact that we literally have heard NOTHING from Oracle since the closing of OpensSolaris. 0 official statements, so I once gain ask: what do you think you were going to get in response to your questions? The reason you hear nothing from them on anything official is because it's a good way to lose your job. --Tim ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
[zfs-discuss] HELP! RPool problem
I have a small problem. I have a development fileserver box running Solaris 11 Express. The Rpool is mirrored between an SSD and a hard drive. Today, the SSD deveoped a fault for some reason. While trying to diagnose the problem, the system panicked and rebooted. The SSD was the first boot drive, and every time it tried to boot it panicked and rebooted, ending up in a loop. I tried to change to the second rpool drive, but either I forgot to install grub on it or it has become corrupted (probably the first, I can be that stupid at times). Can anyone give me any advice on how to get this system back? Can I trick grub, installed on the SSD, to boot from the HDD's rpool mirror? Is something more sinister going on? By the way, whatever the error message is when booting, it disapears so quickly I can't read it, so I am only guessing that this is the reason. PLEASE HELP! Thanks Karl ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] HELP! RPool problem
In message CANxrvgW3oHstp7gtMxjbqU6u4KdvESvXZ_x1facpp=ozzgv...@mail.gmail.com , Karl Wagner writes: The SSD was the first boot drive, and every time it tried to boot it panicked and rebooted, ending up in a loop. I tried to change to the second rpool drive, but either I forgot to install grub on it or it has become corrupted (probably the first, I can be that stupid at times). Can anyone give me any advice on how to get this system back? Can I trick grub, installed on the SSD, to boot from the HDD's rpool mirror? Is something more sinister going on? Remove the broken drive, boot installation media, import the mirror drive. If it imports, you will be able to installgrub(1M). By the way, whatever the error message is when booting, it disapears so quickly I can't read it, so I am only guessing that this is the reason. Boot with kernel debugger so you can see the panic. John groenv...@acm.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL
On 02/16/2013 06:44 PM, Tim Cook wrote: We've got Oracle employees on the mailing list, that while helpful, in no way have the authority to speak for company policy. They've made that clear on numerous occasions And that doesn't change the fact that we literally have heard NOTHING from Oracle since the closing of OpensSolaris. 0 official statements, so I once gain ask: what do you think you were going to get in response to your questions? The reason you hear nothing from them on anything official is because it's a good way to lose your job. People, let's get down to brass tax here. Either: 1) You will continue to get zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org e-mail after March 24th and can carry on as before, or 2) You won't, in which case we welcome everybody at z...@lists.illumos.org. It's really that simple. Cheers, -- Saso ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] HELP! RPool problem
On 02/16/2013 09:49 PM, John D Groenveld wrote: Boot with kernel debugger so you can see the panic. Sadly, though, without access to the source code, all he do can at that point is log a support ticket with Oracle (assuming he has paid his support fees) and hope it will get picked up by somebody there. People on this list have few, if any ways of helping out. Cheers, -- Saso ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL
Hey Ned and Everyone, This was new news to use too and we're just talking over some options yesterday afternoon so please give us a chance to regroup and provide some alternatives. This list will be shutdown but we can start a new one on java.net. There is a huge ecosystem around Solaris and ZFS, particularly within Oracle. Many of us are still here because we are passionate about ZFS, Solaris 11 and even Solaris 10. I think we have a great product and a lot of info to share. If you're interested in a rejuvenated ZFS discuss list on java.net, then drop me a note: cindy.swearin...@oracle.com We are also considering a new ZFS page in that community as well. Oracle is very committed to Solaris and ZFS, but they want to consolidate their community efforts on java.net, retire some old hardware, and so on. If you are an Oracle customer with a support contract and you are using Solaris and ZFS, and you want to discuss support issues, you should consider that list as well: https://communities.oracle.com/portal/server.pt/community/oracle_solaris_zfs_file_system/526 Thanks, Cindy On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: So, I hear, in a couple weeks' time, opensolaris.org is shutting down. What does that mean for this mailing list? Should we all be moving over to something at illumos or something? ** ** I'm going to encourage somebody in an official capacity at opensolaris to respond... I'm going to discourage unofficial responses, like, illumos enthusiasts etc simply trying to get people to jump this list. ** ** Thanks for any info ... ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] HELP! RPool problem
On 17/02/13 06:54 AM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 02/16/2013 09:49 PM, John D Groenveld wrote: Boot with kernel debugger so you can see the panic. Sadly, though, without access to the source code, all he do can at that point is log a support ticket with Oracle (assuming he has paid his support fees) and hope it will get picked up by somebody there. People on this list have few, if any ways of helping out. You're missing the point. Booting with kmdb enabled is The Way(tm) to get anything remotely resembling a paused screen so you can see what the message is. Whether that message winds up being something you need to talk with a Oracle about is entirely different. The OP mentioned that he was running S11 Express, for which, iirc, you can dig through source on a non-Oracle site and investigate. Really, though, just adding -k to the kernel$ line in the grub menu prior to booting should be enough for him to make significant progress. James C. McPherson -- Oracle Systems / Solaris / Core http://www.jmcpdotcom.com/blog ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] HELP! RPool problem
On 02/16/2013 10:47 PM, James C. McPherson wrote: On 17/02/13 06:54 AM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 02/16/2013 09:49 PM, John D Groenveld wrote: Boot with kernel debugger so you can see the panic. Sadly, though, without access to the source code, all he do can at that point is log a support ticket with Oracle (assuming he has paid his support fees) and hope it will get picked up by somebody there. People on this list have few, if any ways of helping out. You're missing the point. Booting with kmdb enabled is The Way(tm) to get anything remotely resembling a paused screen so you can see what the message is. Whether that message winds up being something you need to talk with a Oracle about is entirely different. He got a kernel panic on a completely legitimate operation (booting with one half of the root mirror faulted). There's a good chance that the only thing he'll see is something like BAD TRAP and a stack trace. Without source, that's where the investigation ends. The OP mentioned that he was running S11 Express, for which, iirc, you can dig through source on a non-Oracle site and investigate. And once he's found the problem, what then? Can he build a new ZFS kernel module? Can he submit a patch? Really, though, just adding -k to the kernel$ line in the grub menu prior to booting should be enough for him to make significant progress. If by significant progress you mean sending a stack trace to Oracle, then yes. Look I'm not accusing you or anybody else for not trying to help - there are some wonderful people around here who both care deeply for their users and are proud of their work. I fully applaud that stance. All I'm doing is just pointing out the facts of the matter - take from that what you will. Cheers, -- Saso ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] HELP! RPool problem
On 17/02/13 08:48 AM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 02/16/2013 10:47 PM, James C. McPherson wrote: ... Whether that message winds up being something you need to talk with a Oracle about is entirely different. He got a kernel panic on a completely legitimate operation (booting with one half of the root mirror faulted). There's a good chance that the only thing he'll see is something like BAD TRAP and a stack trace. Without source, that's where the investigation ends. There is significant information provided in a panic message which does NOT require that you go and ask Oracle for help. As I pointed out, too, there is a non-Oracle source repo which does contain the code which went into the release and build which the OP is running. He's running Solaris 11 Express, which we published/delivered as build snv_151b. One would hope that there are sufficient hints in the previous 2 sentences to enable debugging if that is required. The OP mentioned that he was running S11 Express, for which, iirc, you can dig through source on a non-Oracle site and investigate. And once he's found the problem, what then? Can he build a new ZFS kernel module? Can he submit a patch? You're assuming that he's found a bug which is unfixed, and not related to failed hardware. Big assumption. Really, though, just adding -k to the kernel$ line in the grub menu prior to booting should be enough for him to make significant progress. If by significant progress you mean sending a stack trace to Oracle, then yes. I think you are insulting the OP by assuming that he has insufficient understanding of how to use a search engine. Look I'm not accusing you or anybody else for not trying to help - there are some wonderful people around here who both care deeply for their users and are proud of their work. I fully applaud that stance. All I'm doing is just pointing out the facts of the matter - take from that what you will. Your opinion is no doubt coloured by the recent announcement re opensolaris.org. I have corresponded privately with the OP on this matter. I will not respond further to this thread. James C. McPherson -- Oracle Systems / Solaris / Core http://www.jmcpdotcom.com/blog ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] HELP! RPool problem
On 2013-02-16 21:49, John D Groenveld wrote: By the way, whatever the error message is when booting, it disapears so quickly I can't read it, so I am only guessing that this is the reason. Boot with kernel debugger so you can see the panic. And that would be so: 1) In the boot loader (GRUB) edit the boot options (press e, select kernel line, press e again), and add -kd to the kernel bootup. Maybe also -v to add verbosity. 2) Press enter to save the change and b to boot 3) The kmdb prompt should pop up; enter :c to continue execution The bootup should start, throw the kernel panic and pause. It is likely that there would be so much info that it doesn't fit on screen - I can only suggest a serial console in this case. However, the end of dump info should point you in the right direction. For example, an error in mount_vfs_root is popular, and usually means either corrupt media or simply unexpected device name for the root pool (i.e. disk plugged on a different port, or BIOS changes between SATA-IDE modes, etc.) The device name changes should go away if you can boot from anything that can import your rpool (livecd, installer cd, failsafe boot image) and just zpool import -f rpool; zpool export rpool - this should clear the dependency on exact device names, and next bootup should work. And yes, I think it is a bug for such a fixable problem to behave so inconveniently - the official docs go as far as to suggest an OS reinstallation in this case. //Jim ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL
Hello Cindy, Are there any plans to preserve the official mailing lists' archives, or will they go the way of Jive forums and the future digs for bits of knowledge would rely on alternate mirrors and caches? I understand that Oracle has some business priorities, but retiring hardware causes site shutdown? They've gotta be kidding, with all the buzz about clouds and virtualization ;) I'd guess, you also are not authorized to say whether Oracle might permit re-use (re-hosting) of current OpenSolaris.Org materials or even give away the site and domain for community steering and rid itself of more black PR by shooting down another public project of the Sun legacy (hint: if the site does wither and die in community's hands - it is not Oracle's fault; and if it lives on - Oracle did something good for karma... win-win, at no price). Thanks for your helpfulness in the past years, //Jim ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] HELP! RPool problem
Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 02/16/2013 09:49 PM, John D Groenveld wrote: Boot with kernel debugger so you can see the panic. Sadly, though, without access to the source code, all he do can at that point is log a support ticket with Oracle (assuming he has paid his support fees) and hope it will get picked up by somebody there. People on this list have few, if any ways of helping out. If he can boot from a recent install media and import the pool, that's a pretty good indicator that the problem has been fixed. He can then upgrade the what ever he booted with (which could be OI or Solaris11.1) and recover his data. -- Ian. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL
Is it possible to replicate the whole opensolaris site to illumos/openindiana/smartos/omnios site in a sub-catalog as archive? -Original Message- From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 7:42 AM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL Hello Cindy, Are there any plans to preserve the official mailing lists' archives, or will they go the way of Jive forums and the future digs for bits of knowledge would rely on alternate mirrors and caches? I understand that Oracle has some business priorities, but retiring hardware causes site shutdown? They've gotta be kidding, with all the buzz about clouds and virtualization ;) I'd guess, you also are not authorized to say whether Oracle might permit re-use (re-hosting) of current OpenSolaris.Org materials or even give away the site and domain for community steering and rid itself of more black PR by shooting down another public project of the Sun legacy (hint: if the site does wither and die in community's hands - it is not Oracle's fault; and if it lives on - Oracle did something good for karma... win-win, at no price). Thanks for your helpfulness in the past years, //Jim ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL
On 16/02/13 3:51 PM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 02/16/2013 06:44 PM, Tim Cook wrote: We've got Oracle employees on the mailing list, that while helpful, in no way have the authority to speak for company policy. They've made that clear on numerous occasions And that doesn't change the fact that we literally have heard NOTHING from Oracle since the closing of OpensSolaris. 0 official statements, so I once gain ask: what do you think you were going to get in response to your questions? The reason you hear nothing from them on anything official is because it's a good way to lose your job. People, let's get down to brass tax here. Either: 1) You will continue to get zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org e-mail after March 24th and can carry on as before, or 2) You won't, in which case we welcome everybody at z...@lists.illumos.org. Signed up, thanks. The ZFS list has been very high value and I thank everyone whose wisdom I have enjoyed, especially people like you Sašo, Mr Elling, Mr Friesenhahn, Mr Harvey, the distinguished Sun and Oracle engineers who post here, and many others. Let the Illumos list thrive. --Toby It's really that simple. Cheers, -- Saso ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL
Toby Thain wrote: Signed up, thanks. The ZFS list has been very high value and I thank everyone whose wisdom I have enjoyed, especially people like you Sašo, Mr Elling, Mr Friesenhahn, Mr Harvey, the distinguished Sun and Oracle engineers who post here, and many others. Let the Illumos list thrive. This list certainly has been high value for ZFS users (I think I subscribed the day is started!). One of its main advantages is it has been platform agnostic. We see Solaris, Illumos, BSD and more recently ZFS on Linux questions all give the same respect. I do hope we can get another, platform agnostic, home for this list. -- Ian. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL
+-- | On 2013-02-17 18:40:47, Ian Collins wrote: | One of its main advantages is it has been platform agnostic. We see Solaris, Illumos, BSD and more recently ZFS on Linux questions all give the same respect. I do hope we can get another, platform agnostic, home for this list. As the guy who provides the illumos mailing list services, and as someone who has deeply vested interests in seeing ZFS thrive on all platforms, I'm happy to suggest that we'd welcome all comers on z...@lists.illumos.org. The more brains in one place, the better. -- bdha cyberpunk is dead. long live cyberpunk. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL
On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Bryan Horstmann-Allen b...@mirrorshades.net wrote: +-- | On 2013-02-17 18:40:47, Ian Collins wrote: | One of its main advantages is it has been platform agnostic. We see Solaris, Illumos, BSD and more recently ZFS on Linux questions all give the same respect. I do hope we can get another, platform agnostic, home for this list. As the guy who provides the illumos mailing list services, and as someone who has deeply vested interests in seeing ZFS thrive on all platforms, I'm happy to suggest that we'd welcome all comers on z...@lists.illumos.org. +1 -- richard -- ZFS and performance consulting http://www.RichardElling.com ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL
Richard Elling wrote: On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Bryan Horstmann-Allen b...@mirrorshades.net wrote: +-- | On 2013-02-17 18:40:47, Ian Collins wrote: | One of its main advantages is it has been platform agnostic. We see Solaris, Illumos, BSD and more recently ZFS on Linux questions all give the same respect. I do hope we can get another, platform agnostic, home for this list. As the guy who provides the illumos mailing list services, and as someone who has deeply vested interests in seeing ZFS thrive on all platforms, I'm happy to suggest that we'd welcome all comers on z...@lists.illumos.org. +1 Me to. One list is certainly better than 1! -- Ian. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 3:42 PM, cindy swearingen cindy.swearin...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Ned and Everyone, This was new news to use too and we're just talking over some options yesterday afternoon so please give us a chance to regroup and provide some alternatives. This list will be shutdown but we can start a new one on java.net. There is a huge ecosystem around Solaris and ZFS, particularly within Oracle. Many of us are still here because we are passionate about ZFS, Solaris 11 and even Solaris 10. I think we have a great product and a lot of info to share. If you're interested in a rejuvenated ZFS discuss list on java.net, then drop me a note: cindy.swearin...@oracle.com We are also considering a new ZFS page in that community as well. Oracle is very committed to Solaris and ZFS, but they want to consolidate their community efforts on java.net, retire some old hardware, and so on. If you are an Oracle customer with a support contract and you are using Solaris and ZFS, and you want to discuss support issues, you should consider that list as well: https://communities.oracle.com/portal/server.pt/community/oracle_solaris_zfs_file_system/526 Thanks, Cindy While I'm sure many appreciate the offer as I do, I can tell you for me personally: never going to happen. Why would I spend all that time and energy participating in ANOTHER list controlled by Oracle, when they have shown they have no qualms about eliminating it with basically 0 warning, at their whim? I'll be sticking to the illumos lists that I'm confident will be turned over to someone else should the current maintainers decide they no longer wish to contribute to the project. On the flip side, I think we welcome all Oracle employees to participate in that list should corporate policy allow you to. --Tim ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL
+-- | On 2013-02-17 01:17:58, Tim Cook wrote: | | While I'm sure many appreciate the offer as I do, I can tell you for me | personally: never going to happen. Why would I spend all that time and | energy participating in ANOTHER list controlled by Oracle, when they have | shown they have no qualms about eliminating it with basically 0 warning, at | their whim? I'll be sticking to the illumos lists that I'm confident will | be turned over to someone else should the current maintainers decide they | no longer wish to contribute to the project. On the flip side, I think we | welcome all Oracle employees to participate in that list should corporate | policy allow you to. The current maintainers (Pobox.com, Listbox.com) have a long history with open source software in the Perl community, both on the CPAN and more recently with employee time being allocated for work on the interpreter releases. Pobox is in love with both email _and_ open source. We're also halfway done migrating our systems from Solaris (which we've run since 2006) to OmniOS. Like many other companies represented on the zfs list, Pobox/Listbox is betting on illumos. We'll continue to play nicely. If something occurs and we can no longer host the services we currently do, I personally guarantee a cordial handover (more than likely to something Josh and I set up.) Furthermore, at my dayjob, we're deploying Joyent's SmartDatacenter in a non-trivial way, and so I'm also committed to the success of SmartOS. Finally: There are still a lot of knowledgable people with good ethics doing good work at Oracle. I'd love to see them on the illumos lists. (If anyone wants to grump about that, they should ask to borrow that particular Oracle employees shoes to walk a mile in, before they stick one of their own in their mouth.) Cheers. -- bdha cyberpunk is dead. long live cyberpunk. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
