Oh! Yes, BlissOS-15.8.5 appeared, which updated offten.
Ok, I tested it's distribution named as 2023-03-09.
Yes, it does work as 15.8.4.
I'mnow writing this email on it.
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This "set orientation as landscape mode" utility was not there before the
version
of 15.8.4, I believe
Why we can now use drawterm successfully on BlissOS 15.8.4?
Because it was changed(upgraded), I think
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Using PC's android is better than doing it on smart phone
android, because we get wider screen, which is very very
important for Plan9!
Thank you very much!
The remaining problem is only one, the vertical position
expanding.
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I was wrong!
Yes, this android can use landscape mode!
Now, I'm doing it, and very happy
It was set orientation command to landscape mode
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however, it draws portlate mode unfortunately
This mail is written under it.
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> Oh, I forgot to write that this mail was written on the drawterm of
> PrimeOS-2.1.3.
This is the most stable and easy to use android on x86_64
device among those Android 11 variant of my use.
The problem is portrait only image of the drawterm.
If you'd have a time to restructure it, I'd be
Oh, I forgot to write that this mail was written on the drawterm of
PrimeOS-2.1.3.
Kenji
> PrimeOS does not open sources (Just I don't know?), so to make it more
> search is not possible.
>
> Android 11 based OS could be possible to use physical keyboard/mouse.
> Android 10 based may not, and
PrimeOS does not open sources (Just I don't know?), so to make it more
search is not possible.
Android 11 based OS could be possible to use physical keyboard/mouse.
Android 10 based may not, and Android 12 based crashes.
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> I'm now writing this mail by the drawterm on BlissOS-14.3(emu).
> Yes, I changed it from FOSS to EMU.
I also tried PromeOS-2.1.3-64-bit-20220719-BETA(Android 11), which
works partially.
It means it displays drawterm image as portrate, which means too short
of width range. I cannot play
> Native landscape mode is something I already tested and should work quite
> well if it's in.
It works sometime, and not sometime...
I'm now writing this mail by the drawterm on BlissOS-14.3(emu).
Yes, I changed it from FOSS to EMU.
FOSS has no merit for me, where setting Japanese keyboad is
>> On another BlissOS 15(android 12), drawterm crashes at the beginning.
Now, I changed to BlissOS14.3[FOSS]...
Hmm, this time the drawterm image appears as landscape mode, which
I desired.
Ok, the remaining problem is the down shift of mouse point.
Kenji
> On another BlissOS 15(android 12), drawterm crashes at the beginning.
> Hmm, very
I'm trying to this again.
I compiled drawterm-fdroid by the Make.android.config as:
SDKPREFIX=/home/okamoto/Android/Sdk
JAVA_HOME=/usr
BUILDTOOLS=30.0.2
PLATFORM=21
Im writing this mail on BlissOS-14.3(FOSS) using acme.
As I wrote the drawterm screen is rotated 90 degrees left, and
I cannot make it right rotate.
One more thig, the physical mouse pointing poit is a bit shift to right(down).
One more, the physical mouse does not recongnize middle/right button,
Im writing this mail on BlissOS14(android 11)on acme, too.
Yes, I can use physical keyboard/mouse here, howevewr the screen is drawing
90 degrees rotate left.
On another BlissOS 15(android 12), drawterm crashes at the beginning.
Hmm, very
Kenji
> I'm writing this mail on a android Sony
Thank you very much for your kind reply.
I'm using wireless keyboard/mouse, which is working well for the
android 10 itself.
> Regarding mouse, the app only provides some basic mouse usage. You have to
> activate mouse mode in the app using the last checkbox (which basically
> means, ignore all
Quoth kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp:
> Why this does not recognize physical mouse/keyboad?
This may be confusing.
I installed this drawterm onto another PC android 10 machine, where
I see mouse/keyboard icons in the top of the darwterm image.
However, I cannot select any of them by mouse (the PC
I'm writing this mail on a android Sony SO-41B(version 12).
it's hard to do this...
Why this does not recognize physical mouse/keyboad?
Quoth sirjofri :
> Hello all,
>
> I'm happy to inform you that Drawterm (Android) is now listed on the official
> F-Droid android store.
>
> This means,
I put drawterm.apk onto my android device (SO-41B) successfully,
then, I tap that file on my device.
It does something for a while, I see graphic progress bar, and then, replied it
did not
installed., which means failed to install.
By the way, android program should compile all for arm64, arm,
> This guide can help:
> https://www.lifewire.com/install-apk-on-android-4177185
My phone is version 11, and made for Japanese (all the messages are Japanese),
which makes me difficult to follow it. However, I'll do it soon...
> And there's the mouse offset bug. In my version it's almost the
By the way, I made your drawterm-android on my ubuntu-20.04.2 machine.
My android is version 11, and made by Sony (SO-41B).
I now have drawterm.apk file on my home directory, like
src/drawterm-android/drawterm.apk
(size=777151).
How I can install this to my android?
I'm a novise user of
> I have ended up using 9front more and more, obviously. 9front was
> started specifically to address the fact that Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> didn't run on most computers...
me, too.
9front have many kinds of device drivers. If we live on other OSs than plan9,
we cannot do anything other than
In ether82563.c, there are some definitions like:
Tdbal = 0x3800, /* Tdesc Base Address Low */
Tdbah = 0x3804, /* Tdesc Base Address High */
Tdlen = 0x3808, /* Descriptor Length */
Tdh = 0x3810,
> PS: this is also a test of 9legacy's upas to attach figures☺
Ok, I got right mail with figures.
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> --- a/lib/font/bit/lucidasans/unicode.6.font Mon May 03 21:04:39 2021 +0200
> +++ b/lib/font/bit/lucidasans/unicode.6.font Mon May 03 22:35:32 2021 +0200
> @@ -55,6 +55,7 @@
> 0x9a01 0x9bf5 ../shinonome/k12.9a01
> 0x9c04
Ok! I received it.
I'm using 9legacy's upas.
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>>> Pretty much everything supports BIOS mapping from USB->PS/2.
>>
>> On my machine, only keyboard can use.
>
> Correction.
> I put devkbin.c from 386 kernel to /sys/src/9k/k10 with minor
> change, and compiled 9k10f again.
>
> Yes, USB mouse/keybord works for amd64 kernel now.
And now, I
>> Pretty much everything supports BIOS mapping from USB->PS/2.
>
> On my machine, only keyboard can use.
Correction.
I put devkbin.c from 386 kernel to /sys/src/9k/k10 with minor
change, and compiled 9k10f again.
Yes, USB mouse/keybord works for amd64 kernel now.
Kenji
> for example, Go1.16.3 and cmd/ga by /amd64/bin/6l.
cmd/gs by /amd64/bin/6l
Sorry
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> 1) 9legacy on amd64 is unable to use more than 4Gb of memory (and
> possibly has other issues?)
True.
for example, Go1.16.3 and cmd/ga by /amd64/bin/6l.
Somewhat strange/different vihaviour from 386' kernel for example vesa☺
> 2) fossil+venti on amd64 seems to be largely untested and bugs are
>
>> I've fixed this issue a couple of days ago. The most recent archives
>> were not in ustar format. Please re-download the bootstrap.
>
> Yes, I did it, and got the following error:
>
> Building Go cmd/dist using /sys/lib/go/go-plan9-amd64-bootstrap
> kickpager page size 4K color -1
> iallocb:
> Pretty much everything supports BIOS mapping from USB->PS/2.
On my machine, only keyboard can use.
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I'm using 9legacy file/auth/cpu server of 3rd ed. core-i5-3470S (2.9GHz)
machine with two 2.5 inch disks, one for fossil, another for venti.
> * amd64 arch.
I wonder amd64 architecture on 9legacy is sufficient to full use...
If you use 9front, amd64 is much better than 386, I think.
> * >=
I included a picture taken on 9legacy's opossum screen.
On the 6th line, there is a words of '日本語Nul言語Nul',
which should be '日本語(言語)'.
The '(' or ')' is replaced by NUL character, which may be
caused from a library under your program, not from yours.
This is just my guess.
Kenji
from
> Yes, now we can see right Japanese text!
It's not enough.
There is still 'NUL' character when 漢字 and ( or ), hankaku moji,
are mixed: like
例(日本語) ==>例NUL日本語NUL
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Yes, now we can see right Japanese text!
Very quick fix, thanks.
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> just published 9fans.net/go/cmd/sam and 9fans.net/go/cmd/samterm. They
> seem to work well enough for simple use but I haven't really hammered
> hard on them. Samterm requires the plan9port devdraw, for now.
How I can use those sam/samterm on plan9?
I compiled those, and run sam as
teerm% sam
Please look at http://google.co.jp
We see many 'NULL' on this page.
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> One big disadvantage is not having 'colspan'...
Nice, now it has this, and do resizing of the window!
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I>> srv net!9p.io!9fs: mount failed: fossil authCheck: auth protocol not
finished
>>
>> I have no account on 9p.io...
>
> srv -n 9p.io sources /n/sources
Thank you Richard!
Ok, I made two diff files, 1)libdraw.diff 2)libmemdraw.diff, which are
relatively large.
I'm going to send it to Dave.
> 9fs sources
> ape/diff -Nru /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/libdraw /sys/src/libdraw
> >/tmp/libdraw.diff
9fs 9p.io (sources is for cs.bell-labs.com for me)
post...
user? kokamoto
password:
srv net!9p.io!9fs: mount failed: fossil authCheck: auth protocol not finished
I have no acco
> True, I noticed for instance light grey tones might show up as white. That's
> on a external Dell screen which is not the newest. On the fancy Macbook Air
> screen it's the grey. (E.g. on google.com, which is supposed to have a white
> background anyway ;)) The conversion from hex to
d anyway ;)) The conversion from hex to draw.Color is really crude right now,
so maybe it only works when the screen has a lot of gamut. Apart from that both
vesa modes 1280x800x32 and 1920x1080x32 work for me, but only tested so far
with VMWare and drawterm. Hm, does it not render at all then
> I've fixed this issue a couple of days ago. The most recent archives
> were not in ustar format. Please re-download the bootstrap.
Yes, I did it, and got the following error:
Building Go cmd/dist using /sys/lib/go/go-plan9-amd64-bootstrap
kickpager page size 4K color -1
iallocb: no memory
Ok, I write the fact which happened to make go1.16.3-plan9-amd64-bootstrap
from go1.16.3-plan9-amd64-bootstrap.tbz:
-from here
I made first go1.16.3-plan9-amd64-bootstrap.tar on this Plan9.
cpu% cat go1.16.3-plan9-amd64-bootstrap.tar|{cd /sys/lib/go; tar xT}
tar: // Copyright 2018 The Go
> About Go 1.16.3, I had initially another problem when compiling. While
> running the compiler expected the bootstrapping files to be in a certain
> path. I think something like /tmp/glenda/.../..., so I renamed the path and
> it worked. I didn't check further though, but I'll check again
> Please try with this bootstrap:
>
> http://9legacy.org/download/go/go1.16.3-plan9-amd64-bootstrap.tbz
I got the file, however, which has the same file size with that I tried...
>> Is the kernel working right?
>> What is 4100M loast?
>
> This kernel doesn't handle more than 4 GB of memory,
>
I forgot to write that opossum-master runs successfull partially.
'Partially' means the color is a little bit wrong, and I cannot use vesa mode
on 1920x1080x32, can do just under 1280x1024, and now using it
as 1024x768x32(sigh).
JS support of opossum becomes much better...
Kenji
I cannot compile go1.16.3 using go-plan9-amd64-bootstrap with error from
/sys/lib/go/go-plan9-amd64-bootstrap/pkg/tool/plan9_amd64/compile
like: io error.
Does the bootstrap file is confirmed to work right?
My amd64 kernel messages are like:
Plan 9
mmuinit: vmstart 0xf000 vmunused
Family=6, Model=3A applies to all of the 3rd Generation Core i CPUs.
I examined those among the machines I have, and got the results as:
x86intel[] table in /sys/src/9/pc/devarch.c, like:
x86intel[]=
{
/* {6, 0x3A, 16, "Core i7"}, */
{ 6,0x3A, 16, "3rd Gen Core
My i3-3240 (3.4GHz) machine shows
3394 MHz GenuieneIntel Core i7 (cpuid: AX 0x306A9 DX 0xBFFBFBFF)
at bootinng. Frequency is right however Model name is not.
AX value means Family=6, Model=3A which is listed as "Core i7" in
x86intel[] table in /sys/src/9/pc/devarch.c, like:
x86intel[]=
{
Wao!
I don't have lawyer's opinion, however I can understant
the Plan9 comes to the state of all the Plan9 lovers.
Congraturations!!
>None of us would be talking about any of this if it
>weren't for the work done there for decades.
If we forget it, we'll lose everything, I think.
Kenji
> hey everyone,
>
> first of all this has turned out to be somewhat difficult! I have also
> been delayed from looking at it very much by other things going on.
>
> all I have done so far is look a bit at tlsclient. it seemed like once
> that supports dp9ik the rest is just simple rc scripts.
>
> Also it's quite speculative how far one could get with JS which is
> essentially based on goja and domino.
Yes, JS works in more limited than netsurf, although the latter has a little
functions.
One big disadvantage is not having 'colspan'...
Kenji
Thank you very much for your technical explanation, Philip.
By the way the file sizes of both are:
--rwxrwxr-x M 24 sys sys 51135788 Jan 7 15:33 /amd64/bin/netsurf
--rwxr-xr-x M 24 sys sys 15456437 Jan 7 09:32 /amd64/bin/opossum
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I got now rwo new web browsers which can do css and/or js on my
9front box.
Both have almost same functionality and speed etc.
A page with JS (https://eonet.ne.jp) is almost same as that by JS enabled
netsurf.
Netsurf is written in C, and Opossum is in Go.
Most basic difference is that opossum
Subject says all.
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> I installed binary distribution of python2.6.7(I'm trying to compile
> it on my machine, but not success yet), and tried to install pip
> by the command of
> % python get-pip.py
> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'TCP_NODELAY'
I recompiled python2.7.6 by the help from jas
Another one missing.☺
strzip ?
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> The geoff's patch assumes there is /sys/src/libnofp stuff.
> Plan9 Release4 has not such directory.
> Where I can find it?
Sorry, make noise.
It's under the contrib/geoff.
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The geoff's patch assumes there is /sys/src/libnofp stuff.
Plan9 Release4 has not such directory.
Where I can find it?
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Ok, thanks
I'll write to you.
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Not sure why
I installed binary distribution of python2.6.7(I'm trying to compile
it on my machine, but not success yet), and tried to install pip
by the command of
% python get-pip.py
I got failed, and got the error messages as:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "./get-pip.py:23484", in
main()
The 9legacy wants classic (yeah, everything classic before 1995?)
hardware like C:, D: etc.
When I weant to change it to AHCI, I had to rewrite a little like sdE0 etc.
By the way, I have 9legacy system here, and I can test your git9
if you want.
Kenji
> I tried to get it working a little while
> Some motherboards (I don't know about Dell) have a special setting
> to enable different mouse protocols at boot time. Look for
> something like "usb legacy support".
No, it has no such a menu, which says usb kb/mouse will work alwayes.
By the way, 9front runs on this machine...
Kenji
> My PC is DELL's small desktop with i5-2340(?).
I happen to have a chance to test this on another machine, which
has ps/2 interface on board. Dell's has no ps/2 interface.
The machine having ps/2 interface DOES boot with usb kb/mouse
without ps/2 kb/mouse attached.
Kenji
> Might be worth posting what wasn't working, and what
> you changed to make it work, so that others can figure
> it out if they run into the same issue. :)
This is Richard's work not mine, so he could write it
if neccessary, I think.
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> Ok, I got success by Richard's very kind help.
> Now, I can use wifi on rpi3B (ARM Cortex-A53) device
> using NEC WARPSTAR Aterm WR8170N.
I forgot.
It is working on vanilla plan9 by Richard not on 9front
device.
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Now, I can use wifi on rpi3B (ARM Cortex-A53) device
using NEC WARPSTAR Aterm WR8170N.
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> I got a box running 9legacy running,
usb keyboard/mouse are working?
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> ether0=type=4330 essid= wificrypt=wpa2 fs= address> auth=
Sorry, s/ether0/ether1/
I confused the cmdline.txt for 9front test.
I tested your codes by ether1=type=4330 on your bcm system..
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---
ether0=type=4330 essid= wificrypt=wpa2 fs=
auth=
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Thank you very much Richard san.
> Yes, it does with my two routers (buffalo n300 and fritz!box).
I'm using NEC WARPSTAR WR8170N router, and got the error like:
I compiled 9pi3wifi by using your pi3wifi definition file.
Plan9 from Bell Labs
board rev: 0xa02082 firmware rev: 1521643642
cpu0:
> Current raspberry pi kernel source is on 9p.io in
> /sources/contrib/miller/9/bcm
Hi, Richard.
I'm now working to make your ether4330.c to work on 9front system, which is
now my base sysytem.
Your current source can work with wpa2/psk?
I tried your 2018 version, but failed.
Kenji
> Offtopic.
?
> I got your first email. I'll take a look at it if you have a problem, and If
> you can be more specific it will help me debug.
The usb kb/mouse are working fine during installation of the system,
however, after rebooting from the installed HDD, both don't work.
I can see
Wao!
New mail server DOES accept my email!
Thanks, Russ.
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Subject change to ether Yuk driver for 88E8036
I noticed the 9fans reopen now.
I tried this mail at June 16, 2016, but failed...
I'd like to announce this to all, particulary eric.
I posted a mail to 9fans, but I don't have received that mail,
so retries it to this mailing-list.
I asked the
I'm now facing a serious problem to use 88E8036 rev 16 chip (11ab/4351)
on Sony VAIO F-type notebook.
Adding the device ID above, I can read data without problem.
However, to transmit a larger (say 2500 bytes) data, it hangs up.
For an example, cat test in the
network booted terminal without
I think this is written by eric, however, it may concern to others,
and I'm now a 9front user.
I use Panasonic CF-R7 C2D notebook(maybe around 2009) which has
Yukon 88E8055 ether chip. The etheryuk.c has no this entry.
Please add the entry of
0x11ab, 0x4363 1514 "88e8055"
to vtab[].
> That's also quite old. There's one called drawterm-elcapitan, take that or
> compile from the master branch.
My problem caused by the fact I launched the drawterm from Application directory
by GUI, where I replaced the drawterm binary in
/Applications/darwterm/Contents/MacOS
by the one I
> drawterm.bz2 2015-04-07 207.6kb
297.6kb sorry.
Kenji
I'm using p9p on MacOS 10.11.3, and having a strange behaviour.
I have to resize the 9term (or any other) window to show its contents.
In the case of drawterm(Jas's cocoa version), I have no prompt
before I type the keyboard.
In this case resizing the window doesn't help.
Are these behaiviours
the hardcoded vesa standard modes in vesadb.c seem to use the field
in the right way i think.
I don't see the source, however, it's the vesa mode to have some
horizontal shift here.
Kenji
http://www.glendix.org/
Please show me short summary of differences
between p9p and this.
The major aim seems to be the same to me,
that is, to avoid to write device drivers.
Kenji
okay with comparatively little ram. the primary reason that we
haven't pushed to replace upas with nupas by default in 9front is
insufficent testing with the mbox format.
I'm using nupas on 9front, which is much superior than upas.
Thanks eric!
Kenji
Ok, this is calm enough to me.
This may be so called calm-fan...
No, I feel still it's noisy.
At last, I tried DC-DC converter as adviced here.
I use TDK-Lambda CC3-1205SF-E (3W type),
and set it as 12V input and 6V output.
Yeah!
No noise now, and the top panel of this cubic
small box is cold
Thanks Steve.
When I built my home server I tried hard to make it low power and quiet.
Indeed...
Any low power machine must be considered
as cheap one, I suppose.
I also replaced the case fan and cpu fan with Fractal Design Silent fans.
I'll try silent 8cm fan.
However it will rotate in
Thanks both of Nicolas and lyndon.
I didn't think that's possibility.
My mini-ITX box is very cool, when I touch the top,
I feel cold!, even at 33 degree C room temperature.
Therefore I can do the voltage down for this power
supply.
Kenji
Now, I'm using mini-IPX aluminum box with cheap
300W SFX power supply. This supply is very noisy.
I opened the power supply, and found there is no
fan speed control in this box. The fan is connected
through only two lines, no control line.
Anyone knows speed controlable SFX power supply?
i find it very useful to launch many large processes on cpu servers.
it's really nice to have 15gb of buffers on the file server
(with only 15 page table entries!)
ls -l /386/bin/gs /amd64/bin/gs shows:
--rwxrwxr-x M 20 sys sys 13287922 Jun 5 15:49 /386/bin/gs
--rwxrwxr-x M 20 sys sys 15537582
Question: does the box drive the screen? If so, what did you use to
connect the screen to it? HDMA? USB maybe? :)
It's connected through HDMI with high-vision mode to 20 TV..
TV may not be good for PC programming, because it is desighned
to watch from a distans. The screen is orthodic
I'm wondering why peoples are paying much efforts to make
64 bit plan9 system.
I know it may help if we use the Plan9 system for open large
server. However, is it the usual case for Plan9 usage?
What is the usage of your Plan9 system now?
Me?
It's a favourit thing to me...☺
If many peoples are
are 32 bit machines, but i use thinkpad x230 which has
16gb of ram as a terminal. 64bit is just normal now on
Yeah! You have moster notepc!
Kenji
Hi, this is my 9pi box made using alluminum
drink bottle, '午後の紅茶(afternoon tea)' .
Kenji
On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 08:48:34AM +0900, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote:
Now I'm writing this main using a pxe booted terminal with the above
server.
Maybe it is not true. I'm checking this now.
No, it was not true.
As I have lab's Plan9 distro. on this machine, I was
confused it.
Now,
On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 08:48:34AM +0900, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote:
realmodemem file is provided by the '#P' kernel device.
realmode file is provided by aux/realemu.
9/pc/devvesa.c has both of them.
Sorry, it was 9/pc/vgavesa.c.
Anyway, now I have file/auth/cpu server on this
On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 08:48:34AM +0900, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote:
Now I'm writing this main using a pxe booted terminal with the above
server.
Maybe it is not true. I'm checking this now.
By the way, this mail is written from a win7 machine drawtermed to
the A68N-5000 9front
A68N-5000 motherboard which I'm using it for vesa mode of1400x1050x16 size.
However, there is /dev/realmodemem, but no /dev/realmode.
My plan9.ini file has monitor=vesa line.
Strange!
Why I can have working screen with 1400x1050x16?
aux/vga -i says:
term% aux/vga -i
mkvbe: '/dev/realmode' file
On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 08:48:34AM +0900, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote:
realmodemem file is provided by the '#P' kernel device.
realmode file is provided by aux/realemu.
9/pc/devvesa.c has both of them.
My interesting poit is why I have 1400x1050x16 display
which should be vesa mide.
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