Re: [9fans] 9ttp

2011-09-08 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: Can I just say this is the first time I've been on television? sorry, there isn't time, we're just about to get another result...

Re: [9fans] simple venti demo:

2011-08-11 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:21 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:05 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't p9p POSIX enough?  Confused I am, but wasn't that the point of p9p? p9p gives you a runtime environment just like Plan 9s. From the point of

Re: [9fans] simple venti demo:

2011-08-11 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Charles Forsyth fors...@terzarima.net wrote: rather than continue to live for the next 20 years with (say) 20- to 30-year old include file structures and library implementations that became overly complicated (and badly implemented), a better approach might be

Re: [9fans] Where can I find Plan9port binaries running on OS X Lion?

2011-08-09 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:03 PM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. How to these work in Lion? My old p9p build simply didn't display anything devdraw related. i got the 9pserve fail once (no bus error, just '9pserve failed'), but it went away when i copied a binary from a

Re: [9fans] RFS alternatives (Was: Living with Plan 9)

2011-06-21 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:26 PM, rbnsw-pl...@yahoo.com.au wrote: --- On Wed, 8/6/11, I wrote in part: I am old enough to remember RFS the Remote File Sharing Protocol on SVR4 that offered access to remote devices, but I don't have that and I'm not aware of whether there are any distributed

Re: [9fans] recent rebuild of SYSFROMISO on 9vx dead after recent updates

2011-05-19 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:21 AM, EBo e...@sandien.com wrote: copy over from Eric's SYSFROMISO.  The recompile/install runs fine, but 9vx hangs upon restart after posting the init: starting /bin/rc message, but before starting rio. FWIW, I see long delays occasionally on my OSX box at this

Re: [9fans] crazy idea - drawterm in javascript?

2011-05-17 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
While not exactly the same, http://guacamole.sourceforge.net/ might be a good starting point for what would need to be done. There are actually several variations of this around (vnc in javascript). Not sure which would be the most simple as a starting point. -eric On Tue, May

Re: [9fans] Listing a directory

2011-03-07 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Venkatesh Srinivas m...@acm.jhu.edu wrote: In 9P, if I wish to list a directory, I need to TWalk to the directory, TOpen the directory fid from the walk, and then TRead till I have all of the contents of the directory. If the directory's contents do not fit in

Re: [9fans] recent plan9.iso on hosted kvm/qemu

2011-02-24 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
Dunno - but I did an install yesterday of a fresh ISO without problems on Ubuntu 10.10 x86_64 with whatever their default KVM is. -eric On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Stanley Lieber stanley.lie...@gmail.com wrote: Both the install and live cd kernels die here:

Re: [9fans] files vs. directories

2011-02-03 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Bakul Shah bakul+pl...@bitblocks.com wrote: On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 12:45:33 +0100 dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.com   wrote: why do we keep distinction between files and directories? David Cheriton's `thoth' operating system didn't keep this distinction.

Re: [9fans] files vs. directories

2011-02-03 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Feb 3, 2011, at 9:30 PM, Robert Ransom rransom.8...@gmail.com wrote: This feature might be more useful if the directory entries were presented to clients of the FS in a textual format, but that would encourage, if not require, far more parsing in the system, and that is bad both

Re: [9fans] HELP: recoving important header file rudely clobbered by mk

2011-02-01 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
http://www.ueber.net/code/r/hgfs ? I'm sure its not the only one On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:49 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: least for me). Then I don't have to worry about whether I screwed up a file system setup: that's what distributed repos are for. hg isn't a

Re: [9fans] HELP: recoving important header file rudely clobbered by mk

2011-02-01 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
doesn't mean its not a file system -- nothing saying such things can't be layered. On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 9:18 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: On Tue Feb  1 10:01:54 EST 2011, eri...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.ueber.net/code/r/hgfs ? I'm sure its not the only one but

Re: [9fans] HELP: recoving important header file rudely clobbered by mk

2011-02-01 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 9:45 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: On Tue Feb  1 10:40:33 EST 2011, eri...@gmail.com wrote: doesn't mean its not a file system -- nothing saying such things can't be layered. hg itself is not a file system, and i would imagine if one layered hgfs

Re: [9fans] PUSH sources for Plan 9

2011-01-26 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Akshat Kumar aku...@mail.nanosouffle.net wrote: Yes, I've seen this. This is the port to Plan 9 Ports. I would like the code for Plan 9. I imagine reproducing will make things uglier than the original. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Jacob Todd

Re: [9fans] UPDATE: raw video from iwp9

2010-11-13 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:13 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote: kk, gotta get a stretch of time to babysit ripping the tapes.  We are about halfway through.       -eric On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: more! please. your data fiend, brucee

Re: [9fans] UPDATE: raw video from iwp9

2010-11-13 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
found it. Will try to rip and encode for you this weekend. On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote: I think I misfiled the tape with your talk and the HARE panel.  I'm looking. On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [9fans] p9p factotum available for plan 9

2010-11-12 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote: Does anyone use 9P2000.u anymore? Can we just remove it from the p9p tree? I don't use it from plan9ports. Not sure if Lucho is still using it (or variants). But why does version negotiation muck things up? It seems like

Re: [9fans] p9p factotum available for plan 9

2010-11-12 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote: I don't use it from plan9ports.  Not sure if Lucho is still using it (or variants). But why does version negotiation muck things up?  It seems like if the other side isn't responding with .u then there shouldn't be any

Re: [9fans] p9p factotum available for plan 9

2010-11-12 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 1:55 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: That might work but Plan 9 servers currently silently discard T messages they don't understand, so this way of determining server capabilities can't be used. Silent discard is a bit unfriendly and likely to hang the

Re: [9fans] p9p factotum available for plan 9

2010-11-12 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 2:23 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: since plan 9 assumes that strings are null-terminated but 9p has explicit rle, one could send uids/errorno after the 0, but before the rle says the string is done. sleezy, and hackish, but it should work. FWIW

Re: [9fans] p9p factotum available for plan 9

2010-11-12 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 2:41 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: Doesn't really work in multi-account environments where uid on one system doesn't equal uid on the other system.  Also introduces potential parse problems. but names are not guaranteed to be the either, right? I don't see

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-05 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
Quite right: http://code.google.com/p/inferno-os/source/browse/#hg/appl/cmd/mash Although, no doubt brucee has a new, improved version not fit for mere mortals to gaze upon. -eric On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:55 AM, Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: no. it was the last thing i

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-05 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:07 PM, dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 05 of November 2010 14:31:01 Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: Quite right:      http://code.google.com/p/inferno-os/source/browse/#hg/appl/cmd/mash Although, no doubt brucee has a new, improved version not fit

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-11-02 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: Apologies for raising this thread's signal/noise ratio. Is that possible? :) -eric

Re: [9fans] JTAG

2010-11-02 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
FWIW - the BGDBFS stuff had some aspects of this. I never quite got to the point of targeting it with acid though (particularly not multi-node). It would be an interesting extension, but IIRC it would also require some pretty invasive changes to ACID (or I could have just been looking at it

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-31 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
http://www.olc.edu/~cdelong/jargon-4.4.7/jargon-4.4.7/html/D/deadly-embrace.html In the case of 9P I believe the concern in context is waiting for clunks when the server is dead means the waiter will never die. Can get particularly bad if its actually a communication failure with bi-directional

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-29 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Charles Forsyth fors...@terzarima.net wrote: What you are saying is that the problem could be something like: - Tclunk (do not wait for response) - Topen (the file is exclusive) no, because what actually happens is closer to        A: Topen        ...        

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-29 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:21 AM, roger peppe rogpe...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 October 2010 15:14, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote: Just to make sure I understand things correctly, where does this mess things up with standard (as opposed to synthetic) file systems? i think that part

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-29 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Charles Forsyth fors...@terzarima.net wrote: things up with standard (as opposed to synthetic) file systems? why should a synthetic file system (actually they are all synthetic, i think) be considered not standard? i thought file systems were the common

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-29 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Charles Forsyth fors...@terzarima.net wrote: Let's try to define 'decent' for this thread -- a decent fileserver is one on which close()s do not have any client-visible or semantic effect other than to invalidate the Fid that was passed to them. Lets see how

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-28 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org wrote: One problem I have with delayed clunks is that when you have caches or the like, close might fail. Not an issue on Inferno, but, I'd still like to be able to get back in sync at close time if only to be able to

Re: [9fans] UPDATE: raw video from iwp9

2010-10-27 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
kk, gotta get a stretch of time to babysit ripping the tapes. We are about halfway through. -eric On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: more! please. your data fiend, brucee On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-27 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Charles Forsyth fors...@terzarima.net wrote: Sorry that wing-commander can't package it for today. sorry old boy, it wasn't LMF: at first we thought it was a wizard wheeze, but one of the sprogs had a prang with the bally old semantics and the other brass

Re: [9fans] UPDATE: raw video from iwp9

2010-10-25 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
http://www.arl-external.com/iwp9-2010/ I've got several talks encoding and uploading now. On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote: I'm back from travels and have started ripping and encoding the raw video from IWP9. First talk is done (talks may

[9fans] UPDATE: raw video from iwp9

2010-10-24 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
I'm back from travels and have started ripping and encoding the raw video from IWP9. First talk is done (talks may not be in order) and I'm uploading it now. I'll post an update with a URL when I've got the first batch of tapes ripped, encoded, and uploaded (probably sometime tomorrow).

Re: [9fans] iwp9 video?

2010-10-18 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:34 AM, roger peppe rogpe...@gmail.com wrote: yeah, youtube (or better, vimeo) would be great. livestream is very glitchy from here too. (although it was fun when it did work live...) youtube would be a pain as the videos have to be sliced and diced to match 10

Re: [9fans] iwp9 video?

2010-10-18 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
, Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: my hovercraft is full of eels! On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:41 AM,  cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: can they do hungarian subtitles? -- cinap -- Forwarded message -- From: Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com To: Fans of the OS Plan 9

Re: [9fans] πp

2010-10-17 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
2010/10/15 ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com: 2010/10/15  cinap_len...@gmx.de: i wonder if making 9p work better over high latency connections is even the right answer to the problem. The reason I care is that the link from a CPU node to a file server on blue gene is high latency. It might as

Re: [9fans] amd64 port

2010-10-15 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan vdhar...@gmail.com wrote: hi, i think we could stress on a specific architecture (and aim to provide basic and improved support) based on these criteria: - mainline architecture - cheap and affordable both for companies and

[9fans] IWP9 Presentations

2010-10-14 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
Erik has a copy of the slides and will be updating the iwp9.org site with them shortly. In the meantime, you can grab them here: http://goo.gl/QC3P Give me a couple of weeks to dump the raw video (hell, I may even do the video from last time while I'm at it) - if you don't hear from me by then,

[9fans] πp

2010-10-13 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
For folks interested in more info on the πp portion of Noah's Osprey talk, Anant's thesis is available online: http://proness.kix.in/misc/πp-v2.pdf -eric

Re: [9fans] amd64 port

2010-10-13 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
ppc64 and amd64 support exists. the ppc64 port is partial and is available publically. It is my understanding that the amd64 is partial and available to those who ask. Things which are missing are devices and other bits to make it actually useful, but the core changes for 64-bit support are in

Re: [9fans] inferno status/roadmap?

2010-10-13 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
you were wrong. but perhaps he'll answer anyways. On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan vdhar...@gmail.com wrote: hi, if i am right, charles was planning to give a session on inferno roadmap or something in the 5th plan9 workshop. did it happen? sorry if i am wrong.

Re: [9fans] IWP9 Schedule?

2010-10-09 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:31 PM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: let me know when the live streaming starts. don't want to miss any of the joke made at my expense :P being as its live, it should start when the conference starts. Although knowing me, it'll probably take Ron's

Re: [9fans] IWP9 Schedule?

2010-10-09 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
we could have smuggled you down in the back the car on the way down from OSDI. On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 8:35 AM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: But that's what you get for not driving over the rockies Andrey. I'm not sure I can hear much better from vancouver than here :)

Re: [9fans] IWP9 Schedule?

2010-10-09 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: He'll be missed, but I'll be sure to have his name tag there just in case. How long to fly your plane to Calgary Skip? I've got a big black bag and an Australian that's not afraid to pull punches. I'm sure we

Re: [9fans] IBM Research Internship Position Available

2010-10-01 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Anssi Porttikivi porttik...@gmail.com wrote: Plan 9 pages are down :-( It is no longer necessary to send these messages to the list. I setup pingdom several months ago to automatically monitor plan9.bell-labs.com and it sends email to folks there when things go

Re: [9fans] IBM Research Internship Position Available

2010-09-30 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote: 6 month posting for graduate students only to work on the DOE HARE project (http://is.gd/foRdS) This is the third and last year of funding, so don't miss out on a great opportunity to work on Plan 9 on one

Re: [9fans] iwp9 video?

2010-09-29 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Venkatesh Srinivas m...@endeavour.zapto.org wrote: For those of us who can't be at IWP9, are there any plans to videotape the talks? I'll attempt to livestream the talks again this year as well as keeping a tape archive -- although audio quality typically

[9fans] IBM Research Internship Position Available

2010-09-23 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
6 month posting for graduate students only to work on the DOE HARE project (http://is.gd/foRdS) This is the third and last year of funding, so don't miss out on a great opportunity to work on Plan 9 on one of the largest supercomputers on the planet. Job posting is here: http://is.gd/foQOS

Re: [9fans] IBM Research Internship Position Available

2010-09-23 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote: when would the job start? Somewhat negotiable, but the preference is for a 6 month internship starting no later than Feb 15, 2011. The realities of IBM bureaucracy mean there is likely a 1-2 month processing

Re: [9fans] 9vx and replica/pull on OS X

2010-09-10 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
FWIW, Ron's got a regularly updated snapshot of the source tree in mercurial -- he and I have been using that to keep our 9vx plan 9 directories up to date -- works faster, better, and is more reliable than replica. Using floren's python installation you can even use it under Plan 9.

Re: [9fans] Load spikes on intervals in qemu

2010-08-18 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:42 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: why cant fossil also use vblade? I thought I covered that by saying you could run an AOE vblade server (by which I meant to imply you could run any of the available file systems over AOE or venti), but perhaps I

Re: [9fans] Load spikes on intervals in qemu

2010-08-18 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:37 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Brad Frank brad.fr...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, doing those things would be an alternative. But the bigger question is why is fossil hitting the load like that while running in Qemu. And

Re: [9fans] Load spikes on intervals in qemu

2010-08-17 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Venkatesh Srinivas m...@acm.jhu.edu wrote: I run Plan 9 in qemu, but I run neither fossil nor any other (major) disk file server in qemu. Instead, I have Inferno on my host serve files to Plan 9. To accomplish this: 1) I installed Plan 9, as normal, into a

Re: [9fans] Load spikes on intervals in qemu

2010-08-17 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
qemu disk emulation isn't exactly speedy, and fossil probably bangs on the disk pretty hard and from the sounds of things its treating the disk access as synchronous (which is why everything else freezes up). The two combined together is not something you want to deal with. FWIW, on my system I

Re: [9fans] Go/Inferno toolchain (Was: comment and newline in

2010-06-29 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
Is the porting process active? It seems to be an opportunistic concurrent activity (which is why I tried to create a central repo so we'd get some benefit from the sparse multiple activities). Most people were just waiting for Andrey :) There is some stuff that Forysth/Jmk have been looking

Re: [9fans] Go/Inferno toolchain (Was: comment and newline in

2010-06-29 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
of a hint as I can give at the moment. -eric On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org wrote: Anyone (Russ?) can repeat here aprox. what the workaround for b was, for those like me that didn't attend usenix? On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen

Re: [9fans] Go/Inferno toolchain (Was: comment and newline in

2010-06-28 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 4:26 AM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: but I can dig them up, clean them up, and share them, My particular concern is to encourage convergence towards a single source distribution rather than divergence as seems to have been the case so far with Plan 9 native, Inferno,

Re: [9fans] P9SSS communiqué

2010-06-18 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
Is it too late to put something in or will we have to pin a cocktail napkin on the board :) No IBM BoF to steal beer from I'm afraid. -eric 2010/6/18 ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com: 2010/6/18 Skip Tavakkolian 9...@9netics.com: are there any planned activities for 9fans at USENIX next

Re: [9fans] P9SSS communiqué

2010-06-18 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
2010/6/18 Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com: No IBM BoF to steal beer from I'm afraid. I see google ice cream and beer on Thursday -- shall we try to snag the 9pm slot after the GSoC BoF, or just aim for an adjacent room :) -eric

Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)

2010-05-07 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:45 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Skip Tavakkolian 9...@9netics.com wrote: doesn't the weather get ugly in seattle about that time? pick any two: cheap, pretty, convenient. ☺ I actually like seattle that time of year anyway.

Re: [9fans] drawterm and macbook touchpad

2010-05-02 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
You've got to hold the right click for the menu and window creation. Its a bit tricky with trackpad + keyboard, best to invest in at least a 2 button mouse if not a three button. The new chording support for the magic mouse/trackpads might help, but I haven't tried it yet on my macbook pro.

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-29 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:51 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org wrote: That's similar to a Tget in op with unlimited replies. The difference adds on quickly. neat, I need to study op more than I did :-) For the

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-29 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:16 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:03 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: 9P doesn't require any flow control?  That doesn't seem right :-)  But then again it doesn't stream, at least in the traditional way I think of

Re: [9fans] Distributed Pipelines

2010-04-26 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
port of push. Where might I find the native Plan 9 version? Best, ak On 4/25/10, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote: Take a look at Noah's PUSH shell. It's not there yet, but maybe later today. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 26, 2010, at 2:50 AM, Akshat Kumar aku

Re: [9fans] Distributed Pipelines

2010-04-25 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
Take a look at Noah's PUSH shell. It's not there yet, but maybe later today. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 26, 2010, at 2:50 AM, Akshat Kumar aku...@mail.nanosouffle.net wrote: Thanks Steve, rx $cpu 'procdata' | process works well for one way. However, procdata | rx $cpu 'process' is

Re: [9fans] interesting qemu problem

2010-03-16 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Mar 16, 2010, at 6:04 PM, ron minnich wrote: I was wrong. I built a new kernel from sources and performance is still very bad, with a load of 2500 minimum. Also, venti, on this little machine, is a bit hungry for memory. venti...2010/0316 20:31:06 venti: conf.../boot/venti: mem 1,048,576

Re: [9fans] interesting qemu problem

2010-03-16 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Mar 16, 2010, at 6:52 PM, ron minnich wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote: You could configure venti to be less aggressive with its use of memory, but that would likely hurt performance. Running venti inside qemu is silly. If you really

Re: [9fans] ports duplication

2010-03-07 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
Augment the contrib tools (or a fork or facsimile thereof) to including user-defined rankings and reviews. Forks and duplication sometimes make sense, sometimes they don't -- but the better versions will percolate to the top. Its a community driven thing, we need the right tools to enable

Re: [9fans] How 'bout a 9 USER site?

2010-02-24 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
I personally like the inferno programmers notebook style - it's a nice way of documenting tips and tricks as well as introducing quick and dirty apps. I've long thought it a shame we don't have something similar for Plan 9. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2010, at 5:26 AM, John Stalker

Re: [9fans] Speed of 9pfuse on Linux

2010-02-12 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
A few solutions exist: Use Op instead - of course there is no Op exporter from sources or Linux client -- but these could be rectified with work. If used v9fs run with cache=loose or cache=fscache both of which enables caching meta-data. Convince the Linux community to fix ls - I think

Re: [9fans] Speed of 9pfuse on Linux

2010-02-10 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
Also - which file server are you using? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 10, 2010, at 3:54 AM, Gorka Guardiola pau...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe yes, maybe no. What is the latency to your file server?. http://lsub.org/ls/export/opiwp9.pdf http://lsub.org/ls/export/opiwp9tlk.pdf -- - curiosity sKilled

Re: [9fans] Speed of 9pfuse on Linux

2010-02-10 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
File operation bandwidth should be roughly equivilent once the file is open - directory reads will have a large penalty under Linux complicated by the latency of the connection. -Eric Sent from my iPhone On Feb 10, 2010, at 11:57 AM, Pavel Klinkovsky pavel.klinkov...@gmail.com

Re: [9fans] Speed of 9pfuse on Linux

2010-02-10 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Feb 10, 2010, at 7:32 AM, Pavel Klinkovsky wrote: 1) real plan9 to the same place 2) qemu plan9 on Fedora to the same place As I wrote above, I made exactly the same test on exactly the same HW (and internet connection). 1. Native Plan9. 2. Native Fedora 10 with p9p. It's slow,

Re: [9fans] 9P on android

2010-02-04 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
Is source to your application available anywhere? I'm getting a Android tablet and wanted to do some 9P/Plan9 hacking for it and it sounds like you have a good starting point. -eric On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:41 PM, David du Colombier 0in...@gmail.com wrote: I used Charles Forsyth's 9P

Re: [9fans] Coraid funded

2010-01-30 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
Congrats Brantley - this is great news! -Eric Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Brantley Coile brant...@coraid.com wrote: I just want to share with the list that we have announced that Coraid, the largest distributor of Plan 9 systems in the world, has accepted some

Re: [9fans] mount acme on plan9port

2010-01-27 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
parsing that is overflowing a buffer and corrupting memory. Thanks Again, -eric On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Lorenzo Bolla lbo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Lorenzo Bolla lbo

Re: [9fans] mount acme on plan9port

2010-01-27 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
reflection of Linux VFS operations into 9P is often a strange and interesting experience. -eric On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:20 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Wed Jan 27 09:37:02 EST 2010, rogpe...@gmail.com wrote: fuse is probably just doing a stat of each file, as is

Re: [9fans] mount acme on plan9port

2010-01-24 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Lorenzo Bolla lbo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to use 9 mount to mount acme's socket (in `namespace`/acme) to some directory in /mnt (let's say /mnt/acme). I'm using ArchLInux: $ uname -a Linux eee 2.6.32-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Dec 26 08:26:17 UTC 2009 i686

Re: [9fans] dataflow programming from shell interpreter

2010-01-18 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
Have a look at PUSH (PODC 2009) Details still developing but the PODC paper gives you an idea of direction. -Eric Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:58 AM, Tim Climber climber@gmail.com wrote: Is this possible for UNIX philosophy to develop further? Let's say, XML-coded

Re: [9fans] dataflow programming from shell interpreter

2010-01-18 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: Have a look at PUSH (PODC 2009) I had a google but couldn't find it, could you send me a link to the paper http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1582780dl=GUIDEcoll=GUIDECFID=64334509CFTOKEN=48344220 If you don't have a

Re: [9fans] LinuxEMU

2010-01-18 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
http://www.linux-kvm.org/wiki/images/4/41/KvmForum2008$kdf2008_16.pdf On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:20 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: Also, the more I think about it, the more interesting I think it is to run different OSes in different domains on the same machines anyway.  If you

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on L4

2010-01-08 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Jan 8, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Tim Newsham wrote: I might be having a hard time with the Japanese, but my impression is that the plan 9 processes are now also L4 userspace servers. This makes me think they're not running a paravirtualized Plan 9 on L4, but put L4 INTO Plan 9. The paper I

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2010-01-08 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Jan 8, 2010, at 1:36 PM, Taj Khattra wrote: They are running apache on a toaster? My goodness. Once upon a time we crammed a PPC board into a stainless steal toaster as a demo platform with the LCD popping out of the slot like a piece of toast. I thought i had pictures, but can't for

Re: [9fans] Mac multi-touch mice and p9p acme anyone?

2009-11-27 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
Proper acme chords? I futzed with it before with the previous apple mice and couldn't get it to work. This with the new multitouch mice? -Eric Sent from my iPhone On Nov 26, 2009, at 1:58 AM, Paul Lalonde plalo...@telus.net wrote: I wound up with one of these today, and I just had to

[9fans] BG/P Port Available

2009-11-18 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
The open sourced reference code for the BG/P port has been published. Its available via git from http://git.anl-external.org/plan9.git and from hg via bitbucket: http://bitbucket.org/ericvh/hare I'll be writing up a HOWTO for both the build environment (which uses the standard plan 9 distribution)

Re: [9fans] npfs list dead?

2009-11-02 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
AFAIK, it was still being actively maintained as part of xcpu. -eric On Nov 2, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Tim Newsham wrote: Hi, I'm doing some work w/ npfs. There's a mailing list but it appears dead. Is anyone actively using and maintaining npfs? Is the mailing list the appropriate forum

Re: [9fans] Pictures from IWP9?

2009-11-02 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 4:03 PM, roger peppe rogpe...@gmail.com wrote: PS. i'd like to have a glance at the videos of the presentations too - i was given to believe that they might be available after the event... eric? The rough cut re-runs are still on http://www.livestream.com/iwp9 Click

Re: [9fans] So quiet!

2009-10-22 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
Everyone is busy drinking and debating protocol semantics. I think we've managed to empty the coraid fridge of beer. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:35 PM, Michaelian Ennis michaelian.en...@gmail.com wrote: ;) Ian

Re: [9fans] iwp9 video (was: iwp9 deadline extension)

2009-10-21 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
Okay - still not sure there is going to be enough bandwidth to pull off livestreaming, but I'm going to attempt it. The URL to check will be http://www.livestream.com/iwp9 starting at 9pm US EST. I'll be recording the sessions to tape as well and depending on the quality of the livestream will

Re: [9fans] berkeley papers

2009-10-15 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
The RAMP stuff is still very active. http://ramp.eecs.berkeley.edu/ works from my phone. You an also check with the other partners (Derrick Chiou at University of Texas). However, RAMP is primarily architecture focused. There actually was an Inferno port to the ramp405 board.

Re: [9fans] berkeley papers

2009-10-15 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
Also try: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=enq=RAMP+berkeley Sent from my iPhone On Oct 15, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Abhishek Kulkarni abbyzc...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: i'd be happy to read δ more and be ε less ignorant

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-14 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
And how does one deal with heterogeneous cores and complex on chip interconnect topologies? Barrelfish also gas a nice benefit in that it could span coherence domains. There's no real evdence that single kernels do well with hundreds of real cores (as opposed to hw threads) - in fact most

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-14 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Oct 14, 2009, at 3:42 PM, Noah Evans wrote: http://ramp.eecs.berkeley.edu/ Tim: Andrew Baumann is aware of Plan 9 but their approach is quite a bit different. They are consciously avoiding the networking issue as well(they've been asked to extend their messaging model to the network and

[9fans] [ANNOUNCE] Grande

2009-10-06 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
As a quick experiment the other day, I wrote a file-system back-end for Venti which serves the Venti protocol, but instead of using Indexes/Arenas/etc. for the back-end, it creates a hierarchical directory structure similar to Git with a file per score. This was done in the context of some other

Re: [9fans] IWP9 hack session

2009-10-06 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
Should have come up with that before people booked travel. Thursday night at a pub perhaps? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 6, 2009, at 2:50 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to have a hack session the wed. morning before IWP9. What I'd like to propose is a sheeva plugfest.

Re: [9fans] IWP9 hack session

2009-10-06 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
Or we could just brick Gorka's powerbook again! -eric On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Gorka Guardiola pau...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:38 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: oh yeah, I assume the first step to hacking these is cracking them open? Or is there a

Re: [9fans] inferno from hg does not build out of the box

2009-10-02 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Oct 2, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Charles Forsyth wrote: committing a .emptydir file in each directory would be easier. why bother making it .emptydir (ie, with the dot) when that makes it invisible on broken host systems (with the ls bug) but visible under inferno itself. more important, and

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