Re: [9fans] dd(1) takes very long

2024-03-01 Thread Lucio De Re
re cryptographically signed. Verify them. > -- > You don't need an AI for a robot uprising. > Humans will do just fine. > -- > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824

Re: [9fans] Re: Hello, RPi fixes and bind -b trouble

2024-02-23 Thread Lucio De Re
ell become the foundation. Occasionally Esperanto is mentioned, but my experience suggests that is as hopeless as the adoption of Swahili in Africa. PS: thanks for documenting your efforts, they will save others a lot of brain-ache. -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 Sout

Re: [9fans] Formation of a Plan 9 Core Team

2024-01-26 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/26/24, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: >> People use 9front, which is not plan 9. Many good things >> started as forks, and that's ok. > > mostly i agreed. but to me plan9 is just an old 9front version without > the bootloader. > It's a neat summary, but it reflects a particular perspective

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

2024-01-25 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/26/24, Don A. Bailey wrote: > I literally don’t care. > Then I don't think you belong here. If you believe you can excommunicate the majority of Plan 9 contributors (have you counted the members of the "Pure 9" vs "9front" clans, at all?) by dictum ex cathedra, I think you belong in the

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

2024-01-24 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/25/24, Noam Preil wrote: > I wasn't talking to you :P > > That was a response to the post that looked AI-generated. I sincerely > apologize if I accidentally responded to your post instead, but I don't > think I did > If you find it difficult to quote at least the sender of the message you

Re: [9fans] odd rwakeup qunlock behaviour in 9vx

2023-11-09 Thread Lucio De Re
On 11/10/23, ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > [ ... ] > > The reasoning behind this thread is only informing others about possible > problems I encountered. I don't need a solution I already have a working > workaround using simple locks. My code would be of no benefit for other >

Re: [9fans] odd rwakeup qunlock behaviour in 9vx

2023-11-08 Thread Lucio De Re
On 11/9/23, ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > > If there is interest for reproducing the exact circumstances I can write a > small example app which involves different processes accessing the same > shared memory segments which are inherited by the rfork methods. > I assume that such an

Re: [9fans] Remind me how to make the fs writable for `mk install'

2023-08-30 Thread Lucio De Re
or it's already there: "9fs fossil". Lucio. On 8/30/23, Don Bailey wrote: > Hi All, > > I am trying to `mk install' all cmds/libs. Can someone please remind me how > to tell fossil that an active fs can be written? > > Thank you, > D -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet

Re: [9fans] [PATCH] fossil: fix a deadlock in the caching logic

2023-04-05 Thread Lucio De Re
On 4/6/23, n...@pixelhero.dev wrote: > Quoth Charles Forsyth : >> fussing about certain things for hard drives that probably don't matter >> for >> SSD let alone nvme > > I am once again asking you to be more specific, please :) > > I have Plans for improving venti for myself, it'd be great to

Re: [9fans] iwp9: papers announced

2023-03-13 Thread Lucio De Re
> Jacob Moody > - Ghostbusters > Noam Preil and Sigrid > - An O(1) Method for Storage Snapshots > Brian L Stuart > - Plan 9 and Inferno Go to School > Brian L Stuart > -A 9P Server for Application Management in Single Level Stores: A Status > R

[9fans] Signature algorithms for P9P ssh-agent

2023-02-10 Thread Lucio De Re
Briefly: I hacked P9P's ssh-agent to handle my 4096-bit RSA key, but it still interacts poorly with conventional Linux/Debian installations of OpenSSH. The error message: agent key RSA SHA256:XXX...XXX returned incorrect signature type is explained as follows on stackoverflow: This message

Re: [9fans] Mail 447: /mail/fs/mbox/: open: error

2023-01-17 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/17/23, revr...@mweb.co.za wrote: > I have made some progress. I have managed to retrieve email in Acme, but as > yet I cannot send. If I try to send a mail nothing happens. > You now need to change the system settings for upas in the /mail/lib directory. Pick an example that suits you and -

Re: [9fans] Re: Mail 447: /mail/fs/mbox/: open: error

2023-01-16 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/17/23, revr...@mweb.co.za wrote: > [ ... ]. Yes, I am trying to set up Mail on plan9 but it is > for me like a blind man groping in the dark. I did manage to do it once, but > have no idea how I did it! The manual pages take some getting used to, but, believe me, everything you need is held

Re: [9fans] Mail 447: /mail/fs/mbox/: open: error

2023-01-16 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/17/23, revr...@mweb.co.za wrote: > In trying to access Mail via Acme, I get this error: > > Mail 447: /mail/fs/mbox/:open '/mail/fs/mbox/' does not exist > > Is this a bug? Anyone know how to resolve this issue? > I haven't tried it yet myself, but I presume you need to configure and deploy

Re: [9fans] Setting acme to a GoMono or DejavuSansMono font

2023-01-15 Thread Lucio De Re
Are you perhaps using an unusual hyphen (m-dash, perhaps)? -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans

Re: [9fans] Setting acme to a GoMono or DejavuSansMono font

2023-01-15 Thread Lucio De Re
It's the "-F" that the invoked "acme" complains about, then the font filename. That just doesn't compute. mnt/font is interpreted by the font management library as a Unix socket to the font server. 9 man fontsrv will help some, it shows how to check which fonts are avai

Re: [9fans] Setting acme to a GoMono or DejavuSansMono font

2023-01-14 Thread Lucio De Re
You probably have a shell alias or a shell function called acme. The p9p acme does accept the -f and -F options, I use them all the time. -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824

Re: [9fans] the practicality of plan 9

2022-11-08 Thread Lucio De Re
On 11/9/22, fig wrote: > sirjofri, thank you for the reply. don’t be sorry for the long response, i > greatly appreciate it. when i was told plan 9 is built on only a few > principles and basic abstractions, that was spot on. > If you read the early Plan 9 documentation, you'll discover that

Re: [9fans] Creating alternative network directories

2022-10-06 Thread Lucio De Re
On 10/7/22, Lucio De Re wrote: > #l and #l0 are identical, the latter is the software (for want of a > better term) instance of the latter, #1 is the second and #2 is the > third. > > If you read the man page carefully - and I'm answering this not out of > experience, but bec

Re: [9fans] Creating alternative network directories

2022-10-06 Thread Lucio De Re
o into creating a network stacks > directory? > 2: is the way Im doing so the correct course, or is there a best practice i > should be following instead? > > Thank you :) This is my first time on the mailing list so please be kind! -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (East

Re: [9fans] 9front hackathon report

2022-09-26 Thread Lucio De Re
a Git development branch for this? Lucio. On 9/27/22, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > the gsoc thread reminded me that I should also probably post the > hackathon writeup that I put together here, for the curious: > > https://orib.dev/9hack1.html > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St K

Re: [9fans] Trouble compiling "Hello, world"

2022-08-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/2/22, Clout Tolstoy wrote: > Years ago I worked at a non-profit called FreeGeek (in Portland, Oregon > USA) . We used to do grants for computers and sent some over to Uganda, > amongst other places. I'm not sure of their current status on their grant, > but it could be worth a shot. You

Re: [9fans] Trouble compiling "Hello, world"

2022-08-01 Thread Lucio De Re
02, 2022 at 05:38:39AM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: >> It's a shame that the SDF wiki >> (https://wiki.sdf.org/doku.php?id=vps_-_plan_9_9front) returns a >> missing page. > > Looks like it just got moved: > https://wiki.sdf.org/doku.php?id=plan_9_9front > > khm

Re: [9fans] USB3 1Gb ethernet card working on 9legacy (rpi 4)

2022-08-01 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/1/22, adr wrote: > > Oh, and thanks for trying with your pi, I know it takes time and > I appreaciate it. > Well, let me say thanks to you for instigating some interesting and seemingly fruitful discussion - a rare gem and a precious one. Lucio. --

Re: [9fans] Trouble compiling "Hello, world"

2022-08-01 Thread Lucio De Re
> incomplete >> > amd64 install. For building libc again: >> > >> > cd /sys/src/libc/ && mk install && mk clean >> > >> > However, you may be missing more then just libc, in that case may just >> > be best to rebuild >> &g

Re: [9fans] Re: ctrans - Chinese language input for Plan9

2022-07-21 Thread Lucio De Re
Chinese to make great strides in computing. Lucio. > -- > 9fans: 9fans > Permalink: > https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tba6835d445e07919-Mfd7cc77a83bcefbc998c371e > Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] ctrans - Chinese language input for Plan9

2022-07-19 Thread Lucio De Re
I have only one word for all the above: amazing! As a dumb occidental, I have no idea where one starts with ideograms, but I realise how different the concept is and how its complexity can stimulate technical creativity. Well done, all! Lucio. On 7/20/22, s...@9p.sdf.org wrote: > With the

Re: [9fans] void*

2022-05-16 Thread Lucio De Re
On 5/16/22, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > i still don't understand it. if you want a pointer of size 1 what > keeps you from using a generic char or uint8 pointer? > I think what he's asking is "what's keeping everyone else from using...". I guess we're all evangelists at heart. Lucio.

Re: [9fans] How to create a different size of Courier font in plan9

2022-03-11 Thread Lucio De Re
he texts looks very small on the > screen. Is there any way to make a courier font of a bigger size like 16px > or 15px. > > Thank you > > _resun > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 -

Re: [9fans] plan9port acme imageinit: can't open font

2022-03-03 Thread Lucio De Re
You nay have to delete the namespace in /tmp that may have been created under root's permissions. I'm guessing, but it seems the most likely culprit. That, or fontsrv, which may also have left something that only root can access. Of course, /mnt/font is a dreadful red herring. Lucio.

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 applying to GSoC

2022-02-19 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/18/22, Anthony Sorace wrote: > Plan 9 is applying to GSoC again! > > [ ... ] I've done a bit of work on P9P's fontsrv as well as a version - somewhat mysteriously different - "ported" to Plan 9. If we can debate the pros and cons of effectively replacing the static availability of fonts in

Re: [9fans] building blocks speaking 9p

2022-01-28 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/28/22, Bakul Shah wrote: > > Think of really simple, low power, low cost devices. > USB can also provide power. USB+ATtiny85 devel boards > cost ~$3 even at Amazon. And FPGA boards can be > pretty inexpensive too. If you can find them. > I've recommended olimex.com in the past. They

Re: [9fans] building blocks speaking 9p

2022-01-27 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/28/22, Bakul Shah wrote: > The idea: > - make it very easy to create hardware gadgets by > providing a firmware/hardware building block that > talks 9p on the host interface side & interfaces > with device specific hardware. > > [ ... ] > Sounds very appealing. There's a UEFI-based

Re: [9fans] licence question

2022-01-27 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/28/22, ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > I noticed that I can't distribute fonts and ghostscript as part of a plan9 > (9legacy, 9front) system due to their licensing terms. > Any font you realy, really can't live without? > Does anybody know about code, libraries, binaries,

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundationy

2022-01-24 Thread Lucio De Re
st right wing ideas. >>> The cause to make plan 9 an accepting welcoming community for all >>> humans requires good information resources and support. >>> The funny-named organization I just thought up, The Flan 9 Poundation, >>> offers a bounty

Re: [9fans] Problems installing 9legacy on bare metal (Thinkpad X60)

2022-01-24 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/24/22, adr wrote: > > You are aware that you are talking to the most stupidly writen bot > in the history of the _I've_no_life_some_one_pay_me_attention_please_ > retards? > > There is an episode of South Park when some poor kid get > all exited because one person makes him a friend on

Re: [9fans] Problems installing 9legacy on bare metal (Thinkpad X60)

2022-01-23 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/23/22, Conor Williams wrote: > hello mein names ist __insert name here___ > > this is not a 9front mailing list It isn't, but unless *all* 9front users and fans (need not be one homogenous group) choose to stop using this list, I have no objection to assisting them or learn from them. I

Re: [9fans] Problems installing 9legacy on bare metal (Thinkpad X60)

2022-01-20 Thread Lucio De Re
I've > encountered the same problem when installing vanilla Plan 9 from Bell Labs, > but none of the suggestions in the Plan 9 troubleshooting guide work. > > Has anyone encountered similar problems before or any ideas for how I could > resolve this issue? Thank you! > > --yakku

Re: [9fans] 9legacy under OpenBSD's vmm

2022-01-16 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/16/22, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM) wrote: > It gets a bit further -- now it actually panics :-P > > [ ... ] > > cpu0: 5200MHz GenuineIntel Core i7 (cpuid: AX 0x206A1 DX 0x79BA97F) > ELCR: 02E8 > 497M memory: 497M kernel data, 0M user, 18M swap > panic: no disks (in #S) > panic: no

Re: [9fans] Boot CD chokes

2021-12-31 Thread Lucio De Re
On 12/31/21, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > so instead i learned to be a little bit picky about the hardware > avoiding having to write drivers for everything that doesn't work. > The Lenovo Thinkpad T68 I managed to lay my hands on wasn't that cheap and came with an Atheros based wi-fi card.

Re: [9fans] devtls memory leak bug

2021-09-26 Thread Lucio De Re
t/plan9front/1cff923af4dbcaaab515cc04ea40c559eab7830f/commit.html > > -- > cinap -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9f

[9fans] 9hybrid on T61 - work in progress (small beginnings?)

2021-09-04 Thread Lucio De Re
The combination of (IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad) T60 chassis and T61 mother board is known as FrankenPad, I learnt since I bought a none too well refurbished Lenovo T61 7659-CTO laptop for a moderate price. I had long wished I could get a T61, so that was some impulsive buying. Maybe I should have spent

Re: [9fans] porting projects...

2021-09-03 Thread Lucio De Re
ot too shoddy at the auld porting etc...cw -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Td6b6b3e982

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-19 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/19/21, sirjofri wrote: > Hello dear community, > > I've read through many things in this thread and just want to add some > two cents in a list format: > > 1) p9f (to my knowledge) never said anything about The One Plan 9. This > was afaik the idea of some other community member, and I never

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-18 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/19/21, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I never said it was *the* development branch. > > lol > > but it is. > Correct. On two fronts, to coin a phrase. It is active and it is well supported. It is the pragmatic end of the Plan 9 spectrum, courtesy of Cinap who clearly would be a Torvalds

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-18 Thread Lucio De Re
Plan 9 is Plan 9. 9front is 9front. 9front is an >> open-source fork or derivation of Plan 9. >> >> Trying to make 9front the new and official Plan 9 does seem absurd. I'm >> not sure why there is a strong need for validation. 9front does not need >> official recognition. Let 9f

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-18 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/18/21, vic.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote: > Trying to make 9front the new and official Plan 9 does seem absurd. I'm not > sure why there is a strong need for validation. 9front does not need > official recognition. Let 9front be what it is. It can exist independent of > the Plan 9 name. > The

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-18 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/18/21, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > I changed the Subject line to better reflect the discussion. Please do go > on. > Let me put it this way: German and Italian motorcycle manufacturers eventually figured that the gear shift should be on the same side as Japanese manufacturers preferred. What

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-18 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/18/21, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > is that my cue, are you calling in my services?! > If you have any actual understanding of factotum, *I* could easily gain from consulting such knowledge to scratch some of my immediate itches, as I'm no expert and factotum is only slowly revealing its

Re: [9fans] OAuth2 in factotum

2021-08-17 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/18/21, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > Quoth Lucio De Re : >> Does it work? > > Have you tried it? What bugs do you > have to report? > No. I have neither the 9front platform, nor the Oauth2 requirements that would motivate an outsider to try something like that out. Had

Re: [9fans] OAuth2 in factotum

2021-08-17 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/17/21, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > Quoth Lucio De Re : >> PS: This does rather sound like we ought to have a lobbying group > > You realize that this *is* the lobbying, right? > Does it work? > Someone did the work, posted a patch, and is > asking for review a

Re: [9fans] OAuth2 in factotum

2021-08-17 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/17/21, Keith Gibbs wrote: > One Plan Nine? > > Sure, we have the historical version of the Bell Labs/Lucient codebase, > preserved as 9legacy, but yeah we have one currently developed branch of > Plan 9 called 9front. Are you proposing that to be called “Plan 9 from Bell > Labs 5th edition”?

Re: [9fans] OAuth2 in factotum

2021-08-16 Thread Lucio De Re
-helper > >> Refresh tokens are not saved to persistent storage when factotum >> exits. The user must provide consent every time factotum is restarted. > > For this, the tokens should probably be persisted into > secstore -- but there are some security implications > in giv

Re: [9fans] OAuth2 in factotum

2021-08-16 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/16/21, Demetrius Iatrakis wrote: > This is a preview of OAuth2 support in factotum, as part of this year's > GSoC: > https://github.com/Mitsos101/plan9front/pull/1 > Sounds amazing, on many levels. So, thank you. Having just been through an only partially successful hack of P9P factotum and

Re: Posix implementation of Plan 9 cpu(1) (Was: [9fans] Command to set samterm label)

2021-07-20 Thread Lucio De Re
On 7/19/21, Steve Simon wrote: > > my cpu for windows was always incomplete, but good enough that i never > finished it properly. > It's on contrib, is it not? I'll take a peek, if my haphazard priority list allows it :-) > for posix i just use sftpfs or now cinap’s sshftp to import the

Re: [9fans] sam label and rio snarf buffer

2021-07-20 Thread Lucio De Re
On 7/21/21, adr via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: >> You'll need to reinvent (or change, at least) plumbing if you want >> multiple editors, be it one >> per file or one per project. > > I'll make sam create allways the named pipe with the pid in the > name so I can identify wich one I want to

Posix implementation of Plan 9 cpu(1) (Was: [9fans] Command to set samterm label)

2021-07-18 Thread Lucio De Re
On 7/19/21, adr via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > [ ...]. Running samterm locally is way more efficient than > using X forwarding. > I have adopted on my Linux (Mint) workstations - plural - the paradigm: ssh -fX remote acme -l lib/task.acme # for different tasks and it works even

Re: [9fans] plan9 and touch screens

2021-06-24 Thread Lucio De Re
On 6/24/21, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > Inferno can work quite comfortably with a touchscreen and a virtual > "bitsy" keyboard. It's a different user interface from rio, but not > horribly worse. Likely Plan 9 could be adapted to do the same. > And handwriting may have been

Re: [9fans] p9f mention of 9front

2021-06-23 Thread Lucio De Re
On 6/24/21, un...@cpan.org wrote: > Quoth Lucio De Re : >> On 6/24/21, Romano wrote: >> > [...] But I'm a nobody, so I'm probably not going to persuade >> > anyone. >> > >> [ ... ] >> >> The sentiment implied in the sentence above is a bare

Re: [9fans] p9f mention of 9front

2021-06-23 Thread Lucio De Re
Eish! I really can't resist, can I? On 6/24/21, Romano wrote: > [...] But I'm a nobody, so I'm probably not going to persuade > anyone. > Let me try and keep this short, but it won't be easy. Firstly, this is not intended as an offence, particularly against Romano, it is merely an alert

Re: [9fans] Installation problem - partdisk loop - sdC0 QEMU QEMU DVD ...

2021-04-04 Thread Lucio De Re
On 4/4/21, josecllopessoa...@gmail.com wrote: > > Somebody, pacient, have some idea how can I solve this.? If I remember right, under VMware ESX, the CDROM needed to be disconnected during installation. But the exact details are no longer clear in my recollections. I don't really know that

Re: [9fans] Foundation new releases question

2021-04-01 Thread Lucio De Re
I need time to assimilate mindset changing concepts, I should not respond as quickly as I am doing here, so please understand that nothing below is intended to offend anyone, it is more a totally subjective and poorly formulated knee-jerk reaction to what is clearly a critical event in Plan 9's

Re: [9fans] problem with installing plan9 from USB disk image

2021-03-28 Thread Lucio De Re
On 3/26/21, Charles Forsyth wrote: > That reminds me that this > https://retrage.github.io/2020/08/01/9pfspkg-en.html looked quite > interesting but I haven't had a chance to try it yet. > I have followed the instructions and with a little help (I filed an issue and I got a prompt, helpful

Re: [9fans] problem with installing plan9 from USB disk image

2021-03-26 Thread Lucio De Re
On 3/26/21, saif.re...@outlook.com wrote: > I've uncompressed .bz2 but the problem is burning the .ISO file. And I also > have some problem. I don't use any GNU or Linux related stuffs. Most of the > ISO burner are from GUN. I used the one that comes with Windows and also > tried Rufus(though I

Re: [9fans] problem with installing plan9 from USB disk image

2021-03-26 Thread Lucio De Re
The trouble here isn't so much Windows as failure to realise that a compressed image isn't what one needs to write to the CD. I don't know what tools are available on Windows to uncompress .bz2 files. Once that hurdle is overcome, I have little doubt that wrting to CD (or to a USB drive) will be

Re: [9fans] Olimex: these guys are keen electronic engineers.

2021-02-24 Thread Lucio De Re
I have no doubt that they will find what they seek, or cope with something near enough. Let me ponder this, see what further suggestions may come from our not-quite-OSS community. Lucio. On 2/24/21, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: >> You could recommend the Plan 9 RISC-V assembler, C

Re: [9fans] Olimex: these guys are keen electronic engineers.

2021-02-24 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/24/21, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: >> So far I have been shy to recommend Plan 9 to them > > You could recommend the Plan 9 RISC-V assembler, C compiler and linker > as a stand-alone toolset without the need to run Plan 9 - because they > are also available as part of inferno,

Re: [9fans] Olimex: these guys are keen electronic engineers.

2021-02-23 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/24/21, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: > > FWIW, I bought Olimex-lime2 (ARM) (severals) and I'm more satisfied with > these than with > Raspberries (I installed NetBSD on this, plan9 was not tried). > > So if the RISC-V is on the same level of quality, it should be certainly > worth. Exactly my

[9fans] Olimex: these guys are keen electronic engineers.

2021-02-23 Thread Lucio De Re
They say: > This is the first Espressif product with RISC-V core, the datasheet is on > their web. > > This is also the first SOC with RISC-V core we have access to, so we are > excited to learn > more the ISA on low level. > > Any resources to recommend? So far I have been shy to recommend

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-13 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/13/21, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > what is the dark side? for me the borders between plan9 and non-plan9 > has been getting less tight, bec. with more experience i understand > how to translate mindsets, or even code, from one system to the other > without anybody in my real life ever

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-12 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/12/21, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > > The mix of derailing the thread, and the lack of > answer for echoline, who *was* offering to do the > work, but got no answer on whether there's interest, > just rubbed me the wrong way. > It wasn't meant to derail the thread, it was meant to lay down

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-11 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/11/21, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I like >> to think that there is "One plan 9" struggling to be born from these >> variations. > > it there's any "One plan 9" it's clearly called golang. cause all > added syscalls to any of the distributions came from there... > Well, I'd love to

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-10 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/11/21, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > Quoth David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com>: >> 9legacy patches are available as "unified diff" format and >> are generated with "ape/diff -Nru". > > Alright, noted for the future. > Here's what I' ve been thinking about that may be worth sharing: I'd

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-09 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/10/21, Eli Cohen wrote: > > I'm not even sure where or how to start. dp9ik seems important if > 9legacy doesn't already have something similar. that's probably both a > bug fix and feature... and quite a task! but I would be interested in > porting patches back to learn more > I guess you

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-09 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/10/21, Eli Cohen wrote: > I noticed the patches from 9front to 9legacy are not well-maintained. I'm > trying to figure out if this would be an appreciated exercise from someone > (me) who doesn't know all that much and would learn from doing it, and if > so, what are priorities for things to

Re: [9fans] authoritative source for u9fs?

2021-01-27 Thread Lucio De Re
No the source code differences are pretty vast as well, although right now I couldn't tell you what the main theme of the changes might be. Lucio. On 1/27/21, Ethan Gardener wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2021, at 5:10 AM, Lucio De Re wrote: >> >> PS: The new executable seems noticea

Re: [9fans] authoritative source for u9fs?

2021-01-24 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/25/21, Charles Forsyth wrote: > I've just accepted an important pull request to it that I missed, until I > looked at it in response to this, so you should do another pull to get > that. > Generally, though it has been reasonably stable for some time. Changes are > often just to cope with

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

2021-01-18 Thread Lucio De Re
You'll be amazed how quickly you get used to not having the Caps Lock key causing you grief, as it then starts doing on every other platform. Except that Ctrl-A (well, Caps-Lock-A) then becomes a bit of a nightmare. And the Insert key as Expand is not my favourite, either. Erik Quanstrom long

Re: [9fans] netsurf or opossum

2021-01-07 Thread Lucio De Re
t; Both have almost same functionality and speed etc. > A page with JS (https://eonet.ne.jp) is almost same as that by JS enabled > netsurf. > > How do you think? > > Kenji > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Afric

Re: [9fans] Raw ethernet on 9vx

2020-12-09 Thread Lucio De Re
> The exact error is "Invalid address length 4 - must be 6 bytes". I tried a > few others including 0.0.0.0 but none of them worked. Not specifying this > argument however doesn't trigger any complaints. > > Perhaps it's time to peruse the man pages for ip! But I have to put

Re: [9fans] Raw ethernet on 9vx

2020-12-09 Thread Lucio De Re
On 12/9/20, remyw...@cs.washington.edu wrote: > > [ ... ] You're brave! > And several details: > 1. I had to hard-code the tap device name "tap5" because `ip tuntap ...` > doesn't return the interface name. > 2. I have no idea what 0.0.0.0 is, or where to pass it in. (tried `ip link > set tap5

Re: [9fans] Raw ethernet on 9vx

2020-12-07 Thread Lucio De Re
ans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/members> + delivery options >> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription> Permalink >> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T84b4492f91f2abb6-Mba29a472af61f97b5d3e15ee> >> -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern F

Re: [9fans] Re: Plan 9 announcements on twitter

2020-12-06 Thread Lucio De Re
On 12/6/20, Ethan Gardener wrote: > > I don't know the hypothesis, but very much agree different languages > influence how you think and even feel. > You know, my most memorable and influential mentor was Daniel Friedman. I'm not sure I have the spelling right and he's probably in his seventies,

Re: [9fans] Re: Plan 9 announcements on twitter

2020-12-05 Thread Lucio De Re
On 12/6/20, cigar562hfsp952f...@icebubble.org wrote: > Lucio De Re writes: > >> But do we want a flock of 9front-wielding droids flooding the 9fans >> mailing list? > > Good point. [ ... ] Maybe we should keep Plan 9 a secret. ;) Well, that's one way of spreadi

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter

2020-12-05 Thread Lucio De Re
On 12/4/20, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > "discipline" is a good keyword. > it's not about the language IMO.\ > [ ... ] I watched Uncle Tom, whoever he may be, dissing practically every language under the sun with very little substance to what he was presenting. Didn't convince me that he

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter

2020-12-04 Thread Lucio De Re
On 12/3/20, Bakul Shah wrote: > > Finally, I very much doubt he would have liked C! > I had an electrical engineering friend, back at university, who used array subscripts in C because he couldn't get his head around pointers. Like me, his migration was from Pascal to C. I would prefer a

Re: [9fans] Re: Plan 9 announcements on twitter

2020-12-03 Thread Lucio De Re
sting a link to the manuscript/transcript of the > essay where he discusses this? > > Thanks, > Mart -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 71 471 3694 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 -- 9fans: 9fans Per

Re: [9fans] Re: Plan 9 announcements on twitter

2020-12-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 12/3/20, cigar562hfsp952f...@icebubble.org wrote: > cigar562hfsp952f...@icebubble.org writes: > > [ ... ] > It would require a little bit of coding, and a LOT of Tweeting, but if > 9fans now have a Twitter account... creating a 9-demic is within the > realm of possibility. > But do we want a

Re: [9fans] git9: self-hosting.

2020-11-27 Thread Lucio De Re
On 11/27/20, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > one way it will help the bonzai tree grow is in that 9front can soon > escape the old python, that constantly weighs on us just bec. we want > to run hg sometimes. > I could not agree more. What I believe is that Git has neither rhyme nor reason, it

Re: [9fans] git9: self-hosting.

2020-11-26 Thread Lucio De Re
l > > I wrote up how it works here: > > https://orib.dev/githosting.html > > Thanks to everyone for all the testing, patches, > and reports. -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 71 471 3694 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 ---

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter

2020-11-12 Thread Lucio De Re
On 11/12/20, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > Hi, > > FYI, for those of you who are on twitter, I've set up the twitter handle > @Plan9_OS to push news and announcements to the community. Please > consider following it; and if you tweet about Plan 9 or related topics, > please try to include this

Re: [9fans] Re: Flakey DNS server

2020-10-27 Thread Lucio De Re
a virtual city in Switzerland, which is famously neutral (hence >> > Geneva as location for various international organisations, and indeed >> > as a setting for several TV series) >> > >> > On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 11:23 PM > > <mailto:cigar562hfsp

Re: [9fans]

2020-10-20 Thread Lucio De Re
On 10/21/20, Steve Simon wrote: > Hi people, > > I have had to renew my certificate for tls and am getting a strange error > from imap4d > when trying to collect email from my iphone. > > tls reports failed: factotum_rsa_open: no key matches proto=rsa > service=tls role=client > > Which

Re: [9fans] Flakey DNS server

2020-10-07 Thread Lucio De Re
*** no longer on topic *** On 10/8/20, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: >> I'm curious as to why you would say that. > > Well, the section of the site that describes > how to best operate a plan 9 dns server seems > to have gone offline. > There's a difference between Wes making a tangential

Re: [9fans] Flakey DNS server

2020-10-07 Thread Lucio De Re
On 10/8/20, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: >> So the big question, before I commit to something I may not be >> competent to fix: what is recommended by those in the know? > > You've written a lot of text here, but none of it describes > what exactly is flaky. I'd recommend describing the flakiness >

[9fans] Flakey DNS server

2020-10-06 Thread Lucio De Re
It would take me a long time to get to grips with the Plan 9 DNS server (believe me, I've tried) and somehow my situation is getting more difficult as norms on the Internet are being bent by service provider that care for their profitability much more than for interoperation: I get regular

Re: [9fans] Sad news.

2020-09-28 Thread Lucio De Re
That is very sad indeed. The 9fans community has lost an irreplaceable member. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T89f7af873f4109c5-M91dfb4a8cff9c7fefe49546e Delivery options:

Re: [9fans] git/serve, git/compat

2020-09-06 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/7/20, Lucio De Re wrote: > On 9/6/20, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: >> Hey, >> >> I try not to be too verbose about new features landing in git9, but >> I think these warrant some noise. Both git/compat and git/serve >> have landed in the last few days. >&

Re: [9fans] git/serve, git/compat

2020-09-06 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/6/20, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > Hey, > > I try not to be too verbose about new features landing in git9, but > I think these warrant some noise. Both git/compat and git/serve > have landed in the last few days. > You've been doing great work, Ori, thanks and congratulations. I'm keeping

Re: [9fans] Acme fonts

2020-07-22 Thread Lucio De Re
On 7/22/20, Russ Cox wrote: > On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 7:22 PM Anthony Martin wrote: > >> Russ, what did you do to that poor little Acme?! ☺ >> >> Did you take the less daunting route using >> >> - a combined font file with shapes for normal, italic, bold, etc. and >> - a filter to offset runes

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