On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Phil Taylor wrote:
Laurie Griffiths, the author of Muse was killed in a car accident
six months ago. At the time he was on the point of releasing
a new version of the program, and his son said he was hoping to
complete it, but we haven't heard any more since then.
Sad,
I. Oppenheim wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, T.M. Sommers wrote:
Wil Macaulay wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, you can also embed L:, M:, and K: in the tune
proper, and I've seen N: and
I: as well.
But they can't be mistaken for notes.
Yes, they can, since H-Z can be redefined.
I guess it would depend,
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 09:49:22PM -0400, Eric Galluzzo wrote:
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 09:11, Bernard Hill wrote:
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Where does this bang thing come from? ! was always called shriek
when I were a lad.
Yes, it's a new one to me too.
Richard Robinson wrote:
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 09:49:22PM -0400, Eric Galluzzo wrote:
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 09:11, Bernard Hill wrote:
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Where does this bang thing come from? ! was always called shriek
when I were a lad.
Yes, it's a new one
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On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 09:49:22PM -0400, Eric Galluzzo wrote:
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 09:11, Bernard Hill wrote:
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Where does this bang thing come from? ! was always
John Walsh writes:
| John Chambers writes:
| Which does remind me of a suggestion I've long thought of making: Any
| Baroque musician is familiar with the convention that a '+' above a
| note means Ornament this note somehow. ...
|
| Ok, but you don't have to make the plus sign a part of
From: Bernard Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ah, I remember pling! On my University maths course in the 1960s.
Along
with carrot as in A-carrot: upside down circumflex over an A.
Caret (pronounced the French way rather than like a root
vegetable) is the ^ symbol. It comes from printing where it is
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, John Chambers wrote:
Actually, I've long done this, by simply using +. But there are a
couple of problems with this. One is that this is, with some
justification, often referred to as abusing the chord notation.
I quote from the ABC draft standard:
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 01:23:11 +0200 (CEST),
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Is it possible to instruct (or modify) abcm2ps to
create pure black and white PS output (without gray
values) and to draw the staff lines as thin as
possible? This way the output would look much
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:31:59 +0200 (CEST), Manuel Reiter
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On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Jean-Francois Moine wrote:
Putting an accent on the next character is not a good idea. The
PostScript manual says that the accents (range \220 - \237) exist for
historical reason, and they are
On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 13:02:43 UTC, John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Jean-Francois Moine writes:
| abcm2ps supports 'U:' (without '!'), and also 'd:' lines, which is
| an other way for decorations, and which has not been discussed yet...
I don't think I've seen (or maybe I should say
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, T.M. Sommers wrote:
I guess it would depend, then, on how the substitution is done.
Is it a straight text substitution, as in cpp
Yes, it is a straight text substitution, just as in
cpp. No magic here.
The draft standard suggests that this mechanism should
be used to
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Jean-Francois Moine wrote:
Better use:
%%postscript /dlw {0.5 setlinewidth} bdef
in the ABC file.
Thanks! Any ideas to get the PNG output still better?
Please see:
http://www.joods.nl/~chazzanut/in/compare.html
The Musicator output on that page is roughly what
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From: Bernard Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ah, I remember pling! On my University maths course in the 1960s.
Along
with carrot as in A-carrot: upside down circumflex over an A.
Caret (pronounced the French way rather than like a
From: I. Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Caret (pronounced the French way rather than like a root
vegetable) is the ^ symbol. It comes from printing where it is
used to denote an insertion or omission. (L. carere=to be in
need
of).
Isn't that usually done with a V sign?
Only by
John Chambers writes:
Actually, I've long done this, by simply using +. But there are a
couple of problems with this. One is that this is, with some
The problem---or one of the problems---is simmply that this isn't
good enough when you care how the output looks. (Not to
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, David Webber wrote:
Isn't that usually done with a V sign?
Only by Australian printers :-)
Interesting. In Holland, V is the conventional sign to
mark omissions in a manuscript to be corrected. The
sign is either inserted between words or in the margin.
Groeten,
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 05:58:56PM +0200, Manuel Reiter wrote:
I still think the approach with the combining accents works surprisingly
well and is not as aesthetically unpleasing as I, too, would have feared
before trying it. To me at least, it's usable enough that I prefer it to
not having
For notation (display) purposes it may work, but for playback purposes you
need
to at least try to figure out where the user intended to finish the second
ending. I look
for a double barline or start of a next repeat.
wil
Bernard Hill wrote:
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-20030710-src.tar.gz
Note the c's with acute accents. This is something you don't see in
French, but it's a standard letter in Serbo-Croatian. (Those who
speak Russian can translate it to Tb. ;-)
Some might wonder why I used accidentals in that first phrase, rather
than using
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Wil Macaulay wrote:
For notation (display) purposes it may work, but for
playback purposes you need to at least try to figure
out where the user intended to finish the second
ending. I look for a double barline or start of a
next repeat.
Please explain why it is
Ghostscript, too (Linux gv). Also printed fine, but
that's no suprise, because I, er, don't have a postscript printer.
[so it went through gs ;-)]
ghostview and my HP LaserJet 4L printer. The version of jcabc2ps that
did this is at:
http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/src/jcabc2ps-20030710
Nice resource! thanks.
wil
I. Oppenheim wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, John Chambers wrote:
But in general, you can't rely on any such details
when reading music.
That's true; but the point was that when notating music
one should strive do it the correct way.
consider
| | |1 | | :|2 | | ||
| | | x | | :|
note that the user has neglected to put in the repeat marks at the beginning
of
the sections - a common mistake.
On repeating the second section, you need to know how far to go
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consider
| | |1 | | :|2 | | ||
| | | x | | :|
note that the user has neglected to put in the repeat marks at the
beginning of
the sections - a common mistake.
On
Wil wrote-
On repeating the second section, you need to know how far to go
back, so you need to know where the user thought the second
repeat ended. Sometimes it's impossible to tell for sure, but in
this case you can probably safely assume the double barline
ended the first part.
If what
The problem is, that although it's just bad abc is literally true,
there are many cases where
large bodies of tunes (order of a hundred in a single file) are written
in this way. It comes down
to why and how the tunes were notated: sometimes you want to use 'bad'
notation
because that's the
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Wil Macaulay wrote:
If you want to notate a thousand tunes (cf O'Neill's
or Henrik's collections) you probably aren't going to
spend the time carefully adjusting note spacings on
each one,
We're dealing here not with detailed note spacings, but
with essential structural
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Wil Macaulay wrote:
consider
| | |1 | | :|2 | | ||
| | | x | | :|
note that the user has neglected to put in the repeat
marks at the beginning of the sections - a common
mistake.
The question here is not
John Norvell wrote:
All of the tunes (hundreds) in my private collection use |!(newline)
as the line terminator.
Attached are a few examples.
Which all look a bit odd, as if you'd formatted them carefully for
source-readability and then some gremlin intervened to insert random
amounts of
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 11:51:29PM +0100, Jack Campin wrote:
John Norvell wrote:
I've never heard of using ! in the middle of a line as a terminator
and think that we should deprecate that usage.
Why? Lots of abc2win users do it and as I've been arguing, a lot
more people ought to,
Jack,
It appears that the font in abc2win isn't a fixed width font (not sure if
that's the default or my poor selection...). When I bring up some tunes in
WordPad which uses fixed width font the left margins are out of whack.
Maybe that's what you're seeing. ! in the middle of the line adds to
John Norvell wrote:
Most notation programs are pretty good about figuring out how much music can
comfortably fit on a staff. I think by default we should let them do as
they please unless they see a |!newline which is our way of saying break
because I say so.
You could always do that in abc by
Hi there,
Suppose I have the following:
K:HP
M:2/2
L:1/8
defg
Then there will be a single beam joining all notes, with an extra beam between
the e and the f. But what I would like, rather than this extra beam, is an
extra flag on the e pointing backwards, and an extra flag on the f pointing
From: Alasdair McAndrew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Suppose I have the following:
K:HP
M:2/2
L:1/8
defg
Then there will be a single beam joining all notes, with an extra
beam between
the e and the f. But what I would like, rather than this extra
beam, is an
extra flag on the e pointing
Hello,
I have uploaded abcpp 1.3.0 to http://abcplus.sourceforge.net/#abcpp. It
supports two new command switches:
-b: remove single '!'
-k: change single '!' to !break!
this should be useful for 'fixing' abc2win files and make them compatible
with bang-less applications.
Enjoy,
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