On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Richard Robinson wrote:
It woul be a start. I fear the only real answer (or not even that) would be
for some masochistic altruist^H^H^H^H wonderful person to write a Windows
app providing similar functionality, to which people could be encouraged
to upgrade in order to
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Richard Robinson wrote:
It's kind of a propaganda/advocacy point rather than a
technical details issue, but maybe it could do with at least being
mentioned ?
sure, I will.
Given that ABC is tet-line-based, *can* a program go straight to a tune,
random-access-like,
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Guido Gonzato wrote:
using abcpp I've fixed lots of legacy ABC files. It
would be nice if there were a web-based translation
service based on abcpp. I have no experience on
writing web applets; any hints?
It's almost trivial if you use PHP.
Setup two files in your web
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 11:50:40PM +, John Chambers wrote:
(Has anyone written any musical parodies in abc yet? Aside from the
good old 4'33, that is.)
I wrote an arrangement of The Morning Star (from O'Neill) for string
quartet using ABC, but I'm not sure that's the kind of thing you
Richard Robinson wrote -
abc2win introduced constructs, out of the blue,
that the abc-ps family have never _been_ able to read.
I really wish I understood this hate campaign against abc2win. On his website, Jim Vint credits a great many people who gave him support some of whom are still active
From: Guido Gonzato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That said, programs don't necessarily have to comply to 1.7.6 or 2.0.0 or
3.1415. Many users are happy with single-voice ABC, so programs targeting
these users may be left untouched. But what about we classical musicians,
who need more? What's more
Jaysen Ollerenshaw wrote:
Ah... found it in the draft spec as an optional part of the key field.
Thanks anyway.
There's one thing to look out for here Jaysen, and that is that there
are two different ways in which programs handle clefs other than the
treble clef; the difference lies in the
Richard Robinson wrote:
What programs are currently capable of reading abc2win output, as is ?
BarFly, I guess, since you're saying this.
Sort of. All it does at present is just ignore the exclamation marks.
In many cases abc2win files are laid out in a reasonable fashion,
with the bangs only
From: Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hear here !
(I'm never quite sure which that should be)
Hear! hear! - you are inviting speople to listen to what somone has
just said. :-)
Dave
David Webber
Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows -
http://www.mozart.co.uk
Member of the
Bryan Creer wrote:
I really wish I understood this
hate campaign against abc2win. On his website, Jim Vint credits a great
many people who gave him support some of whom are still active on this list)
so he didn't work in isolation. Many developers have introduced their
Given that ABC is text-line-based, *can* a program go straight to a
tune, random-access-like, without having read all the intervening lines?
random-access-like... yes, it's possible. My JedABC has an index mode
that does what you want; so does BarFly in Split Screen Mode.
But BarFly will have
| I've also found the phrase explicit key signature more useful than
| global accidentals, though I don't suppose that's a real big deal.
| These seem to me to be two separate things. Whem converted to
| conventional notation, an explicit key signature is the collection
| of sharps, naturals and
I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing tunes - I
use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce top quality
printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the abc2ps's ?? - I
like to use software that does one job - but does it very, very well.
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Iain (Jethro) Anderson wrote:
I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing tunes - I
use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce top quality
printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the abc2ps's ?? - I
like to use
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Jack Campin wrote:
What makes them hard to use is that you'd only do
this if you had (a) figured out what the correct mode
of the tune was, having gone right through it to see
what pitches occurred, and (b) decided not to write
it that way.
Jack, that's not true. There
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Phil Taylor wrote:
So plan B was to first locate each in-tune fields and substitute [
for the preceding newline and ] for the following newline before doing
plan A.
The best thing would be to write a parser that
recognizes header fields wherever they appear in the
file,
Guido Gonzato wrote -
abcm2ps is one of my favourite pieces of software _ever_.
In my view, it's so good and well thought-out that the standard should
follow it closely.
Taken together with his earlier comment that -
other applications will have better try and follow the new standard for
their
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I find this rather alarming. If other developers do
not have a fair opportunity to participate why should
they take part?
I honestly think that all ABC users have had (and still
have!) a fair opportunity to participate in the
standardization
masochistic altruist who will go back and remove all the
line-break !s
from all the tune files created with abc2win over the last eight
years or so which
might annoy
I guess it's quite easy, sitting confortable behind my computer
without knowing how to program, to find a solution for a
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, [iso-8859-1] Forgeot Eric wrote:
I guess it's quite easy, sitting confortable behind
my computer without knowing how to program, to find a
solution for a programming problem. Sorry if it's
not easy to code, I don't know at all about this
issue, but it seems it could be
From: Iain (Jethro) Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing tunes - I
use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce top quality
printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the abc2ps's ?? - I
like to use software that
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 10:28:59AM +0100, David Webber wrote:
From: Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hear here !
(I'm never quite sure which that should be)
Hear! hear! - you are inviting speople to listen to what somone has
just said. :-)
... to what someone at this location just
Guido Gonzato said,
And about those broken old ABC files, I remind
you that abcpp can fix most of them!
and
using abcpp I've fixed lots of legacy ABC files. It would be nice if there
were a web-based translation service based on abcpp. I have no
experience on writing web applets; any
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 05:03:25AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Richard Robinson wrote -
abc2win introduced constructs, out of the blue,
that the abc-ps family have never _been_ able to read.
I really wish I understood this hate campaign against abc2win.
If I'm running a campaign for
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 10:39:14AM +0100, Phil Taylor wrote:
construct a new situation. It's where we've always been. Maybe it would
be necessary (maybe it would be an improvement) to tell a program
explicitly whether a user wanted to read abc2win or standard.
That's what I'm doing for the
Jack Campin writes:
| Bryan wrote:
| | K:^f^c=g tonic=A mode=mixolydian
| |which seems much clearer to me.
|
| I replied:
| If we were designing abc from scratch, I'd agree. ...
|
| ... If Bryan's verbose alternative were available I'd use it every time.
I keep thinking that this would
Jethro writes:
| I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing tunes - I
| use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce top quality
| printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the abc2ps's ?? - I
| like to use software that does one job - but does it
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 11:07:51AM +0100, Jack Campin wrote:
Given that ABC is text-line-based, *can* a program go straight to a
tune, random-access-like, without having read all the intervening lines?
random-access-like... yes, it's possible. My JedABC has an index mode
that does what you
Guido Gonzato writes:
| On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Iain (Jethro) Anderson wrote:
|
| I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing tunes - I
| use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce top quality
| printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the abc2ps's
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 02:52:28PM +, John Chambers wrote:
Jethro writes:
| I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing tunes - I
| use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce top quality
| printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 03:13:04PM +, John Chambers wrote:
I also have a small zweifacher collection, trad Bavarian
music with its jumble of meters. The old abc2ps does a fine
job with it in any of the usual forms. It even handles the
demented M:23/44 time signatures that you
Jon Freeman writes:
| From: Iain (Jethro) Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|
| I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing tunes - I
| use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce top quality
| printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the abc2ps's ?? -
Richard Robinson writes:
| On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 03:13:04PM +, John Chambers wrote:
|
| I also have a small zweifacher collection, trad Bavarian
| music with its jumble of meters. The old abc2ps does a fine
| job with it in any of the usual forms. It even handles the
| demented
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 04:34:00PM +, John Chambers wrote:
Richard Robinson writes:
|
| Heh heh. How about player programs ?
Yeah. I think that the best approach for them is to just play the
note lengths that they find, and not worry about it. There is
unmeasured abc
What makes them hard to use is that you'd only do
this if you had (a) figured out what the correct mode
of the tune was, having gone right through it to see
what pitches occurred, and (b) decided not to write
it that way.
Jack, that's not true. There are a lot of tunes that
cannot be
The TeX-ness of it makes for many possibilities that the %%text
constructions can't get near, in terms of setting text and tunes
together on a page. (nor would we want them too, I reckon. Oh
dear, have I just started another 6-month thread ?). My feeling about
this is that abc and typesetting
Richard Robinson writes:
|
| Yes. Also all those Balkan ones, where it would be nice to write 7 as
| (4+3)/4, 18 as (4+3+3+4+4)/8, or whatever.
Actually, abc2ps and clones should handle this without any problem.
I've done this (with or without parens) in a number of tunes. The one
qualification
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 07:41:43PM +0200, I. Oppenheim wrote:
The TeX-ness of it makes for many possibilities that the %%text
constructions can't get near, in terms of setting text and tunes
together on a page. (nor would we want them too, I reckon. Oh
dear, have I just started another
Jack Campin writes:
| Consider the D-Ahavoh Rabboh mode, common in Klezmer. [...]
|
| You're missing the point. John was talking about the difference
| between writing such scales as an explicit key signature at the
| start (as is usually done these days for Turkish music) and
| taking some
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 05:57:39PM +, John Chambers wrote:
Richard Robinson writes:
|
| Yes. Also all those Balkan ones, where it would be nice to write 7 as
| (4+3)/4, 18 as (4+3+3+4+4)/8, or whatever.
...
Not that I use Q: lines much. In fact, it's often more useful to just
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Richard Robinson wrote:
Or software that can read from standard input and has access to perl
is very welcome to use abc-cat as a preprocessor
(http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Inof/RRTuneBk/abcscripts)
Got this error:
Sorry!
The document you tried to access cannot be found,
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 09:25:14PM +0200, I. Oppenheim wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Richard Robinson wrote:
For lowlevel TeX formatting of music notation,
one can use already several excellent packages
such as MTX, PMX and Lilypond. These are all
actively maintained.
Ah, but I
This response is a little late---I'm still re-installing things
after a crash, and am just getting around to the abc programs.
Irwin Oppenheim writes:
The problem---or one of the problems---is simply that this isn't
good enough when you care how the output looks. (Not to mention
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 09:26:21PM +0200, I. Oppenheim wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Richard Robinson wrote:
Or software that can read from standard input and has access to perl
is very welcome to use abc-cat as a preprocessor
(http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Inof/RRTuneBk/abcscripts)
Got
Richard == Richard Robinson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ah, but I didn't mean TeX formatting of the musical
notation. I meant, how to get typesetting of text that
surrounds abc, how to handle the mixing of text and tunes -
placing abc tunes on a sheet of paper along with
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, John Walsh wrote:
The @ foo looks useful. Can it place things
relative to a note on the staff? (As do foo and
foo?)
The draft standard says:
Using the @ symbol leaves the exact placing of the
string to the discretion of the interpreting program
To
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John Chambers wrote -
I've also found the phrase explicit key signature more useful than
global accidentals, though I don't suppose that's a real big deal.
These seem to me to be two separate things. Whem converted to conventional
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Bernard Hill writes:
Surely a performer wants to know what the writer meant? And lack of
repeat starts means there is no information as to how the tune was
to be played, eg whether the whole tune repeated or just to the
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Richard What I do is take all the text out of the abc tune, use
Richard the usual abc2ps suspects to generate an eps of the bare
Richard tune (with no text), have LaTeX set the title and any
Richard other abc-tune text
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Bernard Hill writes:
| In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
| flats you find at the start of the staff; global accidentals are
| accidentals applied to notes throughout the music. (Does anybody ever use
| these?)
|
| French Horn parts (and maybe brass in general) in orchestral
I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing
tunes
- I use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce
top
quality printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the
abc2ps's ??
I think jcabc2ps was not targeted in the list of the bad
applications, of
I don't know if whatI'm about to suggest has been suggested
before,/.../
it's fairly clear to me that the real key to
writing any new specification is adding some identifier that says
that the tune
conforms to the new specification. For example, maybe something
like:
%%ABC3.0
...anywhere in
Thanks Phil,
From reading the draft I assumed it would have to be D, since there is
no mention of the note pitches changing depending on the clef.
- Jaysen
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