In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Robinson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
the UK inch had previously been been equal to 2.54muttermuttermutter cm,
2.539998
Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phil Taylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
John Chambers wrote:
Phil Taylor writes:
| John Chambers wrote:
| An interesting example: Sears is still one of the biggest seller of
| tools in the US, and they still sells tools labelled Standard and
| Metric. You folks in
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Chambers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
But if you measure it in, say, attoparsecs,
this is the definition of a parsec (and of the atto- prefix).
Love it! 1 attoparsec is approx 3.1cm or 1.2 ... as everyone knows g
Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of
When trying to fit abcusers in a few groups having
[1] abc-sightreaders (without much need for software)
[2] abc-collectors
[3] abc-software-only-users (1st language)
[4] abc-as- interchange-file-format-users (2nd language)
Two questions arise
- is this a meaningful division?
- if so, how large
Please don't think me rude, but I think you've missed a very large
category of users completely.
These are people who record large collections of tunes
(admittedly, each tune is likely to be a 'simple folk melody'
with or without lyrics),
often in the hundreds or thousands of tunes, related
There are good improvements in this new version, and it seems also
it crash less, unlike the previous version. The midi rendering is
good also. I think you already know for lyrics and multivoice :)
(it lacks cruelly) but will there be a midi export as well ?
A few suggestions :
You made a full
I don't like %%midi transpose, because
transposition is nothing to do with midi,
I forget to talk about that, an advantage of BarFly is, if I
understood well, it can transpose either the notation, or the
sound, or both. The %%midi transpose is limited because it make
transpose both (of course it
it seems I forgot to send this post... I apologize to post it
again if I already did so
Any programmers here that feel the call to create a nice little
conversion program/script for the benefit of the world at large?
/.../
Note that with such a program, there is no need to cleanup old
ABC
files
When trying to fit abcusers in a few groups having
[1] abc-sightreaders (without much need for software)
[2] abc-collectors
[3] abc-software-only-users (1st language)
[4] abc-as- interchange-file-format-users (2nd language)
Two questions arise
- is this a meaningful division?
- if
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Arent Storm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
When trying to fit abcusers in a few groups having
[1] abc-sightreaders (without much need for software)
[2] abc-collectors
[3] abc-software-only-users (1st language)
[4] abc-as- interchange-file-format-users (2nd language)
Two
Arent Storm wrote:
When trying to fit abcusers in a few groups having
[1] abc-sightreaders (without much need for software)
[2] abc-collectors
[3] abc-software-only-users (1st language)
[4] abc-as- interchange-file-format-users (2nd language)
Two questions arise
- is this a meaningful division?
From: Arent Storm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
When trying to fit abcusers in a few groups having
[1] abc-sightreaders (without much need for software)
[2] abc-collectors
[3] abc-software-only-users (1st language)
[4] abc-as- interchange-file-format-users (2nd language)
Two questions arise
- is this
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Bruce Olson wrote:
I don't think that is quite right. My recollection is that
39.37 inches was one meter until some time in the 1970s.
I was one of many scientists at the US National Bureau of
Standards who was appalled, to say the least, when the US
government decided
From: Jack Campin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] About the choice of '!'
Having read the discussion about bang co for quite a while
I'd like to add my two (euro)cents.
I have more or less implemented a full abc
Arent Storm wrote:
When trying to fit abcusers in a few groups having
[1] abc-sightreaders (without much need for software)
[2] abc-collectors
[3] abc-software-only-users (1st language)
[4] abc-as- interchange-file-format-users (2nd language)
It is also reasonable to assume that many (most?) of
When trying to fit abcusers in a few groups having
[1] abc-sightreaders (without much need for software)
[2] abc-collectors
[3] abc-software-only-users (1st language)
[4] abc-as- interchange-file-format-users (2nd language)
Two questions arise
- is this a meaningful division?
- if so,
Jack Campin wrote -
the only program
that does interchange to any other general-purpose score format
in a meaningful way is Bryan's Noteworthy convertor? He probably
has figures for how many people use that but I doubt if it's as
much as 5% of the ABC community.
In my dreams. Rather less than
Frank Nordberg writes:
| John Chambers wrote:
|
| Yeah, and there has been a slow inflation of standard
| pitch over the several centuries that we've had such a
| concept.
| ...
| One of the explanations that I've heard is that string
| players tend to be leaders in this race.
|
I have just uploaded a new version of BarFly.
This is the first full release of the Carbon version for OS X,
and I'm now recommending that users of Classic systems 8.5 - 9.2
should also use this version (you will need CarbonLib 1.3 or
later among your active system extensions).
There are now
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 09:32:27AM +0100, Bernard Hill wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Robinson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
the UK inch had previously been been equal to 2.54muttermuttermutter cm,
2.539998
Aha. Negative muttering.
--
Richard Robinson
The whole plan hinged upon
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Chambers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Not just the tenors. I have a low bass voice, and choral music can
get painful after too long a rehearsal, because it's all in the upper
half of my range. In college, I was in a Russian choir for a few
years, and I was
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 08:48:11AM +, Tom Novelli wrote:
Makes for some confusion though, like when I asked for a 1/2 peso of ham
in a Costa Rican grocery store.. kilos! kilos! :) I guess you'd really
get some funny looks in a country with a worthless currency called the
Peso :)
Here
From: Jack Campin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The third seems a wild overestimate - surely the only program
that does interchange to any other general-purpose score format
in a meaningful way is Bryan's Noteworthy convertor?
I think you could at least add Harmony (and possibly Melody) Assistant to
that
From: Phil Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 3:19 PM
Subject: [abcusers] BarFly 1.4 available
I have just uploaded a new version of BarFly.
snap
You can now optionally have the program ignore line ends in
the abc source, placing staff breaks only
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:43:56AM +0200, Arent Storm wrote:
Please don't think me rude, but I think you've missed a very large
category of users completely.
These are people who record large collections of tunes
(admittedly, each tune is likely to be a 'simple folk melody'
with or
Bryan Creer writes:
| John Chambers wrote:
|
| we can align our music with the very basic phenomena of the cosmos.
|
| Talking of which, didn't you guys have a little trouble aligning one of your
| probes with Mars because of a mix up between metric and Imperial?
Sure did. And it led to a rash
From: Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] About the choice of '!'
Please don't think me rude, but I think you've missed a very large
category of users completely.
These are people who record large
Bernard Hill writes:
| In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
| But if you measure it in, say, attoparsecs,
| this is the definition of a parsec (and of the atto- prefix).
|
| Love it! 1 attoparsec is approx 3.1cm or 1.2 ... as everyone knows g
One of my
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:29:17AM +0100, Jack Campin wrote:
When trying to fit abcusers in a few groups having
[1] abc-sightreaders (without much need for software)
[2] abc-collectors
[3] abc-software-only-users (1st language)
[4] abc-as- interchange-file-format-users (2nd
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 02:49:09PM +0100, Jon Freeman wrote:
From: Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But do they 'look' at the abc by means of software or directly.
I have collected 1++ of them myself over the years
(small and large collections/files) and find myself looking at
Richard == Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Richard Which reminded me of abc2ly. I looked at that once and
Richard found it wouldn't deal with large amounts of my abc
Why not? If it's the one tune per run limitation, abcselect will deal
with that for you.
Richard ...
From: Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] expected abc audience
snap
I'm not sure if the distinction between abc-only software and
converters-to-other-formats is meaningful - after all, midi, ps, png,
whatever,
Where it comes to to line continuation in multivoice and/or
in-line lyrics things can get (unneccessarily) complicated.
IMO line continuation should be allowed only for single voice.
For instance, the nicely text-layed-out multivoice canzonetta.abc
from the 2.0 standard would become unreadable
I would suggest that all meta-comments should be
prefixed with an appropriate string indicating the target. Like
%%FMT-composerfont Times-Bold 32
so that any abc-accepting can easily filter relevant
settings for its context.
Every abc exporting/writing program should write some
fingerprint in
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 10:07:39AM -0400, Laura Conrad wrote:
Richard == Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Richard Which reminded me of abc2ly. I looked at that once and
Richard found it wouldn't deal with large amounts of my abc
Why not? If it's the one tune per run
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 01:08:29PM +0200, Guido Gonzato wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Bernard Hill wrote:
Interestingly enough, I can't find any mention of the use of * for
right justified line breaking in Guido's ABC 2.0 draft. This draft
spec tentatively calls for the use of ! for this
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Arent Storm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
OTOH, I've heard musicians of the British persuasion refer
to minims and crotchets and semidemiquavers. Not one in a
thousand American musicians could tell you what those terms
actually mean.
as well as allmost anyone
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Chambers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Bernard Hill writes:
| In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes
| But if you measure it in, say, attoparsecs,
| this is the definition of a parsec (and of the atto- prefix).
|
| Love it! 1
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Bernard Hill wrote:
not to speak of hemisemidemiquavers
It's actually hemidemisemiquavers.
But my Australian customers explicly told me they use hdsqs.
And 1/128th notes are semihemidemisemiquavers
You must be kidding! Ludicrous!
Most musicians can translate though
I
Arent Storm wrote:
Where it comes to to line continuation in multivoice and/or
in-line lyrics things can get (unneccessarily) complicated.
IMO line continuation should be allowed only for single voice.
For instance, the nicely text-layed-out multivoice canzonetta.abc
from the 2.0 standard would
Richard == Richard Robinson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Richard No, it wasn't that, just the problem of variant
Richard dialects. The last time I tried it (a couple of days ago,
Richard after the mention in uc.o.l reminded me of it) I hit a
Richard tune I'd just typed up which
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Phil Taylor wrote:
Yes, I'm inclined to agree. The only exception
should be where there is some limitation on line
length (e.g. the tune is going to be emailed), then
continuation should only be used to continue on the
following line.
I would prefer it STRONGLY that
I. Oppenheim wrote:
Here in continental Europe, we have Euros, kilometers,
liters, celsius, and 1/128th notes, and we do not
understand anything more exotic than that...
Goodness, and they used to accuse us Brits of being
insular...
Anyway it's litres, as I'm sure your francophone neighbours
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], I. Oppenheim
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Bernard Hill wrote:
not to speak of hemisemidemiquavers
It's actually hemidemisemiquavers.
But my Australian customers explicly told me they use hdsqs.
And 1/128th notes are semihemidemisemiquavers
You
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 05:47:33PM +0100, Phil Taylor wrote:
I. Oppenheim wrote:
Here in continental Europe, we have Euros, kilometers,
liters, celsius, and 1/128th notes, and we do not
understand anything more exotic than that...
Goodness, and they used to accuse us Brits of being
Irwin == I Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Irwin % variant A
Irwin G2G2A4 | (FEF) D (A2G) G|\
Irwin M:4/4
Irwin K:C
Irwin c2c2(B2c2) |
I think this is actually an example of a recommended syntax in some
pretty widespread documentation. (Probably
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 12:30:10PM -0400, Laura Conrad wrote:
Richard == Richard Robinson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Richard No, it wasn't that, just the problem of variant
Richard dialects. ...
I'm really out of touch with abcm2ps development ...
Richard To be fair, I've
Richard == Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Can you send me that file? I thought I had that fixed
Richard You probably have - it's just the same old much-argued missing
Richard start-repeat at the beginning of the opening bar. Some ABC apps
Richard complain, as
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Laura Conrad wrote:
Richard So it's a circularity problem - outofdate abc2ly doesn't
Richard do what I'm wanting so I hadn't clocked it as important
When I recently did a apt-get install lilypond, I
assumed it would download the latest stable version, as
it does
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 08:17:22PM +0200, I. Oppenheim wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Laura Conrad wrote:
Richard So it's a circularity problem - outofdate abc2ly doesn't
Richard do what I'm wanting so I hadn't clocked it as important
When I recently did a apt-get install lilypond,
to /etc/apt/sources.list, and then apt-get update apt-get upgrade
will take you to lilypond 1.6.10. I've just done this.
Same for me. thanks!
Groeten,
Irwin Oppenheim
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On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 07:42:48PM +0100, Richard Robinson wrote:
to /etc/apt/sources.list, and then apt-get update apt-get upgrade
will take you to lilypond 1.6.10. I've just done this.
Whereupon, yes, that missing-repeat thing is indeed fixed.
I notice it prints without title or other
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 08:45:47PM +0200, I. Oppenheim wrote:
to /etc/apt/sources.list, and then apt-get update apt-get upgrade
will take you to lilypond 1.6.10. I've just done this.
Same for me. thanks!
! that's a fast connection you've got there :)
--
Richard Robinson
The whole plan
Richard == Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Richard I notice it prints without title or other text.
You must be using lilypond-book? If you use the standard ly2dvi, it
prints the Title and Composer.
Richard I'm sure this is configurable, I wonder where ...
There's a lot
Irwin == I Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Irwin When I tried one my tunes, I got this output:
Irwin
Irwin abc2ly from LilyPond 1.6.10
Irwin Parsing `shnei.abc'...
Irwin Line ... shnei.abc: 21: Huh? Don't understand
Irwin G|G2G2A4|(FEF) D (A2G)
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 08:28:40 +0200 (CEST), Guido Gonzato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Jack Campin wrote:
Now, there is one ASCII character that is nearly invisible and hasn't
been used for anything else in ABC yet. So I propose that ` should
be completely ignored by both
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:43:07 +0100, Calum Galleitch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've encountered an interesting behaviour trying to transcribe the Black Bear.
[snip]
This produces (with abcm2ps-3.6.0) the following result (sorry about the
[snip]
Is there a fix?
It should be fixed
I. Oppenheim writes:
|
| I think this broken continuation mechanism of the Old
| Standard is one of the most serious design mistakes in
| the whole ABC notation system.
|
| Should we continue to support it, or should we change
| the standard to be more sane---giving up backward
| compatibility?
crash less but still some?
yes, while I tried it and was writing this review, I wrote it
doesn't crash for nothing, but I got a crash at this very
moment...
I tried later and it generally crashes after I copy and paste in
the box (after removing the notes, but I guess the previous
headers [since
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 03:02:32PM -0400, Laura Conrad wrote:
Richard == Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Richard I notice it prints without title or other text.
You must be using lilypond-book? If you use the standard ly2dvi, it
prints the Title and Composer.
Ah, thanks,
John Chambers wrote:
This has been thrashed out for many programming languages
over the past several decades. It turns out there's only
one rule that will actually be implemented the same by all
programmers, and it's also the only rule that users will
all understand the same way. This
Phil == Phil Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Phil Er, why would you want to put a space in place of the backslash?
Phil Joining the two lines without a separator seems the logical
Phil thing to do (or at least I can't immediately think of a situation
Phil where adding a space
On Wed, 22 Jul 2003, Laura Conrad wrote:
I thought that most people would assume that any
whitespace, including newline, would cause the 8th's
to not be beamed.
When you precede a newline by a backspace, the newline
gets escaped and no longer functions as whitespace.
Groeten,
Irwin
Phil Taylor wrote:
To return to the original suggestion in the title of this thread, it
has been suggested many, many times before. One of the first postings
I ever made to this list (or was it the developer's list?), made
exactly the same suggestion - for goodness sake lets write the
This is one thing that can easily be written in ASCII, as (c) or
copyright in some appropriate field; I use the Z: field most of
the time because every time I've wanted to make the point I've been
the copyright-holder, but it could go in C:, A:, D: or B: as well.
As long as you realise that
Phil Taylor writes:
| John Chambers wrote:
| (And we'll still have the even more minor problem caused by
| the fact that some programmers will replace the '\' with a
| space, while others will delete it plus the newline,
| causing the two lines to be joined without a separator.
| This
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 07:11:05PM -0400, Steven Bennett wrote:
... (IMHO,
there should be NO data in an ABC2 file which exists outside the context of
the current tune -- I don't know if anyone else agrees with this, but it
John Chambers wrote:
Another fringe case is what happens when a line ends with '\', a
space, and a newline. It's common for many implementations to not
recognize this as a continuation. This one is really baffling to a
user, who usually can't see the space. The right way to handle
The idea of multiple tunes within one file I personally do not like
much (I'd rather zip them when transferring)
Interesting. It's always struck me as one of the useful points about
ABC, when dealing with several thousand tunes, that you don't have to
have them all in separate files.
When it
BarFly makes ignoring linebreaks an option (except for multi-voice
music where it isn't practical); what I do sometimes is first let
the program have a go at doing the layout, then optimize the result
by putting explicit linebreaks in better places myself. BarFly's
spacing algorithm is not
Funny thing is that in recent years, they have abandoned any such
calibrated units for most measurements. Units of time, length,
voltage, etc. are now defined in terms such as the wavelength of a
specific spectral line in a specific isotope. So you don't have to
depend on a
There are now three versions of BarFly, called Carbon, Classic
and Old. All three versions have been updated, and all carry
version number 1.40.
Use the Carbon version on MacOS X, and on MacOS 8.5 - 9.2.
Use the Classic version almost anywhere (System 7 on).
Use the Old version on Macs
Steven Bennett wrote:
Phil Taylor wrote:
To return to the original suggestion in the title of this thread, it
has been suggested many, many times before. One of the first postings
I ever made to this list (or was it the developer's list?), made
exactly the same suggestion - for goodness
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 07:11:05PM -0400, Steven Bennett wrote:
... (IMHO,
there should be NO data in an ABC2 file which exists outside the context of
the current tune -- I don't know if anyone else agrees with this, but it
makes
Jack Campin wrote:
Can the Classic version run on 68040s - i.e. is it an old-style
fat binary? I'd rather not have to manage two separate versions.
(Most of my stuff is on an external disk which is usually mounted
on an LC475 but sometimes on a PPC machine).
Yes it can. The main reason for
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