I've been off sailing. Let me try (below) to clear up the tempo thread for
the last week.
Do we have a concensus? Can we adopt this yet?
Laurie
Jack Campin:
One extra thing you get in actual scores: multiple names for the same tempo,
which in your notation might be
Q:allegro=Tempo I
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Subject: Re: [abcusers] tempo
Laurie Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've been off sailing. Let me try (below) to clear up the tempo thread
for
the last week.
Do we have a concensus? Can we adopt this yet?
Laurie
Hello,
I was out travellin for one week, and just tried to recapitulate last
weeks mail exchange, and must say I cannot follow it completely.
But I must add that:
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On Sun, 2 Dec 2001, Laurie Griffiths wrote:
Q:Allegro -- uses Allegro which must have been already
On Fri 07 Dec 2001 at 01:38PM +0100, Simon Wascher wrote:
I could *not* live with such a solution. It *must* be possible to use
words for describing tempo whithout having to define them in numbers.
A man's life hangs in the balance here, depending on the finer
points of abc syntax. Clearly
James Allwright writes:
| On Fri 07 Dec 2001 at 01:38PM +0100, Simon Wascher wrote:
|
| I could *not* live with such a solution. It *must* be possible to use
| words for describing tempo whithout having to define them in numbers.
|
| A man's life hangs in the balance here, depending on the
Laurie's suggestion seems to take care of most of the tempoish
things you'd want to ask a printing or playback program to do, except...how
do you ask it *not* to print the tempo?
Cheers,
John Walsh
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Whew! a lot of syntax...
One extra thing you get in actual scores: multiple names for the same
tempo, which in your notation might be
Q:allegro=Tempo I
so that Tempo I is defined by a double indirection, in your BNF
QLine ::= Q: string = string
This might also be useful in translating
On Sun, 2 Dec 2001, Laurie Griffiths wrote:
Q:Allegro -- uses Allegro which must have been already defined.
Does this mean that a transcriber can't specify a tempo without also
defining it metronomically? I'm not sure I like the idea of *forcing*
them to add information that the composer
This is an attempt to roll this up and include all the fixes suggested by
others, clarifications etc. Here we go.
Text to the right of and including -- is a meta-comment, that is to say it
is part of this discussion and not part of the syntax in question, not even
as a comment.
Q:120 -- as
Jack said ...Your suggestions have exactly the expressive power I was
asking for, with one minor omission: the label dotted minim = minim
you get in staff notation when the metre changes
Q:1/2 -- sets the beat to minim
abc abc
Q:3/2 -- sets the beat to dotted minim which therefore
Laurie writes:
| Jack said ...Your suggestions have exactly the expressive power I was
| asking for, with one minor omission: the label dotted minim = minim you
| get in staff notation when the metre changes
|
| Q:1/2 -- sets the beat to minim
| abc abc
| Q:3/2 -- sets the beat to dotted
). I
*suggest* that a good thing to print for this case would be
note shape denoting old beat = note shape denoting new beat
Laurie
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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] tempo
it or whatever).
From what I glean of the way BarFly works this might be a problem, but Phil
will have to say.
(yes I meant 3/4)
Laurie
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From: Jack Campin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] tempo
On Thu 29 Nov 2001 at 10:40AM -, Laurie Griffiths wrote:
Not so.
This is back to the question of does the notation tell the program what to
print or does it describe the music. The answer is that it describes the
music and software can figure out how to express that in any other medium
At 23:47 2001/11/27 +, Jack Campin wrote:
: So, *how* does it describe the speed? How does your suggestion
: distinguish texts that define speeds from arbitrary gibberish?
: It doesn't, at least it doesn't any more than a program can
: distinguish between the actual title of the tune in
and that in
the absence of any other indication the metronome (or the conductor's baton
or the drummer's foot) is to carry on at the same rate as before.
Laurie
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From: John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:50 PM
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On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Jack Campin wrote:
+ in every printed score I own, the tempo text, expression text, and
+ guitar chords are distinguishable from one another by their typeface
+ alone.
But they aren't *identifiable* by their typeface alone - no two publishers
use the same set of
I would like to propose the following. I will give the syntax first as
examples with explanations and then some more formal stuff to try to
eliminate ambiguities and assist implementation.
Text to the right of and including -- is a meta-comment, that is to say it
is part of this discussion and
Laurie writes:
| I would like to propose the following. ...
...
| Q:1/4=120 -- as before
| -- in fact ALL currently legal Q: lines are still legal and have exactly the
| same meaning as before.
...
| Q:120=Allegro -- the popular example. Same idea
One thing I didn't see in the examples is
Laurie wrote:
I would like to propose the following.
[suggestions I have hardly any problems with, except...]
Q:C2=120 -- as before
Do we really need this? Did it ever catch on? (I think you suggest
deprecating it, I reckon something more drastic might be in order).
Q:120=Allegro -- the
Jack said ...Your suggestions have exactly the expressive power I was
asking for, with one minor omission: the label dotted minim = minim you
get in staff notation when the metre changes
Q:1/2 -- sets the beat to minim
abc abc
Q:3/2 -- sets the beat to dotted minim which therefore equals the
John Chambers wrote:
One thing I didn't see in the examples is whether combining these
would be legal, as in:
Q:1/4=120=Allegro
It seems that this should obviously be allowed. Then there's the
question about the syntax that some programs accept now:
It wasn't, but I agree it should be.
Chord notation is not free text. It is a chord. There may be no
restriction to the syntax of a chord to be presented, but semantically,
it's a chord.
And for some playback programs (Muse is one, I think) chord semantics is
both precisely defined and used by the interpreter; Laurie
Largo is slower than Lento. Odd because Lento actually means Slow so
you'd think that would be the one, whereas Largo means broad.
I do not know whether Largo/Lento and Presto/Veloce are equivalent pairs
or not. There were also some German terms given which were a small subset
of the
James == James Allwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
James 1. Musical terms would be better put in a new field (I think q: has been
James suggested) than added to the existing Q: field. Possibly N: would be
James acceptable.
No, it wouldn't. N: is used for notes. I use it for
Frank Nordberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am new to this stuff but am really intrigued.
I have the abc2win and have been having problems with the quickplay
playing
tunes at Q:443 if there is no specified tempo in the file.
Is there a way to change the default?
I am new to this stuff but am really intrigued.
I have the abc2win and have been having problems with the quickplay
playing
tunes at Q:443 if there is no specified tempo in the file.
Is there a way to change the default?
I have no idea how to change the defaults of abc2win, but
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am new to this stuff but am really intrigued.
I have the abc2win and have been having problems with the quickplay
playing
tunes at Q:443 if there is no specified tempo in the file.
Is there a way to change the default?
Cindy
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