Re: [agi] Hypercomputation and AGI

2009-01-01 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Dec 30, 2008, at 11:45 AM, Steve Richfield wrote: Bingo! You have to tailor the techniques to the problem - more than just solving the equations, but often the representation of quantities needs to be in some sort of multivalued form. What I meant is that if the standard algebraic

Re: [agi] Hypercomputation and AGI

2009-01-01 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Jan 1, 2009, at 2:35 PM, J. Andrew Rogers wrote: Since digital and analog are the same thing computationally (digital is a subset of analog), and non-digital computers have been generally superior for several decades, this is not relevant. Gah, that should be *digital* computers have

Re: [agi] Hypercomputation and AGI

2009-01-01 Thread Abram Demski
entry of mine on hypercomputation and AGI into a conference paper on the topic ... here is a rough draft, on which I'd appreciate commentary from anyone who's knowledgeable on the subject: http://goertzel.org/papers/CognitiveInformaticsHypercomputationPaper.pdf This is a theoretical rather

Re: [agi] Hypercomputation and AGI

2009-01-01 Thread Steve Richfield
J. Andrew, On 1/1/09, J. Andrew Rogers and...@ceruleansystems.com wrote: On Jan 1, 2009, at 2:35 PM, J. Andrew Rogers wrote: Since digital and analog are the same thing computationally (digital is a subset of analog), and non-digital computers have been generally superior for several

Re: [agi] Hypercomputation and AGI

2008-12-30 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Dec 30, 2008, at 12:51 AM, Steve Richfield wrote: On a side note, there is the clean math that people learn on their way to a math PhD, and then there is the dirty math that governs physical systems. Dirty math is fraught with all sorts of multi- valued functions, fundamental

Re: [agi] Hypercomputation and AGI

2008-12-30 Thread William Pearson
2008/12/29 Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org: Hi, I expanded a previous blog entry of mine on hypercomputation and AGI into a conference paper on the topic ... here is a rough draft, on which I'd appreciate commentary from anyone who's knowledgeable on the subject: http://goertzel.org/papers

Re: [agi] Hypercomputation and AGI

2008-12-30 Thread Ben Goertzel
wil.pear...@gmail.comwrote: 2008/12/29 Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org: Hi, I expanded a previous blog entry of mine on hypercomputation and AGI into a conference paper on the topic ... here is a rough draft, on which I'd appreciate commentary from anyone who's knowledgeable

Re: [agi] Hypercomputation and AGI

2008-12-30 Thread William Pearson
2008/12/30 Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org: It seems to come down to the simplicity measure... if you can have simplicity(Turing program P that generates lookup table T) simplicity(compressed lookup table T) then the Turing program P can be considered part of a scientific explanation...

Re: [agi] Hypercomputation and AGI

2008-12-30 Thread Ben Goertzel
I'm heading off on a vacation for 4-5 days [with occasional email access] and will probably respond to this when i get back ... just wanted to let you know I'm not ignoring the question ;-) ben On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 1:26 PM, William Pearson wil.pear...@gmail.comwrote: 2008/12/30 Ben Goertzel

Re: [agi] Hypercomputation and AGI

2008-12-30 Thread Steve Richfield
J. Andrew, On 12/30/08, J. Andrew Rogers and...@ceruleansystems.com wrote: On Dec 30, 2008, at 12:51 AM, Steve Richfield wrote: On a side note, there is the clean math that people learn on their way to a math PhD, and then there is the dirty math that governs physical systems. Dirty math

[agi] Hypercomputation and AGI

2008-12-29 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi, I expanded a previous blog entry of mine on hypercomputation and AGI into a conference paper on the topic ... here is a rough draft, on which I'd appreciate commentary from anyone who's knowledgeable on the subject: http://goertzel.org/papers/CognitiveInformaticsHypercomputationPaper.pdf

Re: [agi] Hypercomputation and AGI

2008-12-29 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Dec 29, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Ben Goertzel wrote: I expanded a previous blog entry of mine on hypercomputation and AGI into a conference paper on the topic ... here is a rough draft, on which I'd appreciate commentary from anyone who's knowledgeable on the subject: http://goertzel.org

Re: [agi] Hypercomputation and AGI

2008-12-29 Thread Ben Goertzel
... -- ben g On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:18 PM, J. Andrew Rogers and...@ceruleansystems.com wrote: On Dec 29, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Ben Goertzel wrote: I expanded a previous blog entry of mine on hypercomputation and AGI into a conference paper on the topic ... here is a rough draft, on which I'd

Re: [agi] Hypercomputation and AGI

2008-12-29 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Dec 29, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Ben Goertzel wrote: Well, some of the papers in the references of my paper give formal mathematical definitions of hypercomputation, though my paper is brief and conceptual and not of that nature. So although the generic concept may be muddled, there are