Re: [agi] Random Thoughts on Thinking...

2008-04-26 Thread Steve Richfield
Vladimir, On 4/24/08, Vladimir Nesov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Steve Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you that you can't just consider something to be true or false based on a few observations, but you DO have to make binary decisions

Re: [agi] Random Thoughts on Thinking...

2008-04-26 Thread Steve Richfield
Mike, On 4/24/08, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve:What is a novel solution?! Since THIS question seems to be driving much the current AGI efforts, I think that this should be completely wrung out.My program will identify the parts of the problem that ARE known and direct effort

Re: [agi] Random Thoughts on Thinking...

2008-04-26 Thread Mike Tintner
Steve, Yes it's good to acknowledge that you recognize the importance of in-the-field investigation and hands-on experimentation to creative problem-solving. But you have yet - and, as you more or less indicate, everyone in AI and AGI - has yet to show me (or, I think, the world), that they

Re: [agi] Random Thoughts on Thinking...

2008-04-26 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Steve Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/24/08, Vladimir Nesov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A theory is strong not when data support it, or when it doesn't support the wrong data, but when it can distinguish between the two. God hypothesis is as useful as

Re: [agi] Random Thoughts on Thinking...

2008-04-24 Thread Steve Richfield
Durk, On 4/22/08, Kingma, D.P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a nutshell (if I'm correct), your system initially requires a vast body of knowledge. Then, you explain that its 'trick' is to use its knowledge to solve a subject's problems, by finding out what knowledge he/she is 'missing'. This

Re: [agi] Random Thoughts on Thinking...

2008-04-24 Thread Steve Richfield
Mark, On 4/22/08, Mark Waser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My first thought is that you put way too much in a single post . Our agreement on this reflects a shortcoming in the posting process. We need an organization of posts that is similar to the US Patent Office's sorting of patents, into

Re: [agi] Random Thoughts on Thinking...

2008-04-24 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Steve Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, some situations are more prone to superstitious learning than others. Religious explanations are a beautiful example of this - where everything that defies present explanation is simply credited to God. How

Re: [agi] Random Thoughts on Thinking...

2008-04-24 Thread Mark Waser
accurately reflect the world. This process is known as science (or scientific discovery). I highly recommend it. ;-) - Original Message - From: Steve Richfield To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [agi] Random Thoughts on Thinking

Re: [agi] Random Thoughts on Thinking...

2008-04-24 Thread Steve Richfield
Vladimir, On 4/24/08, Vladimir Nesov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Steve Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, some situations are more prone to superstitious learning than others. Religious explanations are a beautiful example of this - where

Re: [agi] Random Thoughts on Thinking...

2008-04-24 Thread Steve Richfield
Everyone BUT Mark, On 4/24/08, Mark Waser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely expected with your low daytime body temperature. This is a VERY common observation from low temps (people whose temperature is stuck low). This IS easily correctable, providing a very substantial gain in IQ. Like

Re: [agi] Random Thoughts on Thinking...

2008-04-24 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Steve Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you that you can't just consider something to be true or false based on a few observations, but you DO have to make binary decisions based on whatever it is that you do know. Those decisions may reflect an

Re: [agi] Random Thoughts on Thinking...

2008-04-22 Thread A. T. Murray
Steve Richfield wrote: The process that we call thinking is VERY different in various people. [...] [...] Any thoughts? Steve Richfield The post above -- real food for thought -- was the most interesting post that I have ever read on the AGI list. Arthur T. Murray --

Re: [agi] Random Thoughts on Thinking...

2008-04-22 Thread Mark Waser
Any thoughts? My first thought is that you put way too much in a single post . . . . The process that we call thinking is VERY different in various people. Or even markedly different from one occasion to the next in the same person. I am subject to a *very*strong Seasonal Affective