RE: [agi] Intelligence vs Efficient Intelligence

2007-05-18 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- John G. Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you arrive at some sort of unit for intelligence? Typically measurements are constructed of combinations of basic units for example 1 watt = 1 kg * m^2/s^3. Or is it not a unit but a set of units? It is a unitless number. It is measured in

RE: [agi] Intelligence vs Efficient Intelligence

2007-05-18 Thread John G. Rose
Time, entropy, bits, What else? -Original Message- From: John G. Rose [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:14 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: RE: [agi] Intelligence vs Efficient Intelligence Time has to included maybe? -Original Message- From:

RE: [agi] Intelligence vs Efficient Intelligence

2007-05-18 Thread John G. Rose
Time has to included maybe? -Original Message- From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:55 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: RE: [agi] Intelligence vs Efficient Intelligence --- John G. Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you arrive at some sort

RE: [agi] Intelligence vs Efficient Intelligence

2007-05-18 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- John G. Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Time has to included maybe? Now it is getting complicated. I was thinking of Shane Legg's universal intelligence, expressed in terms of the shortest program that could achieve the same measure. Of course this only makes sense in the context of Turing

RE: [agi] Intelligence vs Efficient Intelligence

2007-05-18 Thread John G. Rose
There's Newtonian and relativistic intelligence. Probably can model intelligence formulas after physics because without physics there are no bits so time needs to be in there as well. Intelligence is affected by the speed of light as data transmission rates max out in relation to it. No? If you

RE: [agi] Intelligence vs Efficient Intelligence

2007-05-18 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- John G. Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's Newtonian and relativistic intelligence. Probably can model intelligence formulas after physics because without physics there are no bits so time needs to be in there as well. Intelligence is affected by the speed of light as data

RE: [agi] Intelligence vs Efficient Intelligence

2007-05-18 Thread John G. Rose
Pretty good calculations :) Some thoughts on the topic of units and equations, some may be obvious or redundant - If something was extremely intelligent it would have an exact copy, bit for bit, of the whole universe in its head. Maybe that's saying that the universe is 100% intelligent

Re: [agi] Intelligence vs Efficient Intelligence

2007-05-18 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
According to my view, -- raw intelligence would be measured in bits -- efficient intelligence would ultimately be measured in terms such as bits/ (4D volume of a region of spacetime) As noted the Bekenstein bound thus places an upper limit on efficient intelligence according to current