Re: [agi] Can We Start Somewhere was Approximations of Knowledge

2008-06-26 Thread Bob Mottram
2008/6/26 Steve Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Perhaps we can completely sidestep the countless contentious issues regarding what intelligence is, what an AGI is, what consciousness is, what is needed, etc., with an entirely different approach: It's the usual pattern for participants on AI

Re: [agi] Approximations of Knowledge

2008-06-26 Thread Richard Loosemore
Jim Bromer wrote: - Original Message From: Richard Loosemore Jim, I'm sorry: I cannot make any sense of what you say here. I don't think you are understanding the technicalities of the argument I am presenting, because your very first sentence... But we can invent a 'mathematics'

Re: [agi] Can We Start Somewhere was Approximations of Knowledge

2008-06-26 Thread Richard Loosemore
Steve Richfield wrote: To all, Perhaps we can completely sidestep the countless contentious issues regarding what intelligence is, what an AGI is, what consciousness is, what is needed, etc., with an entirely different approach: Perhaps we could create a short database (maybe only a dozen or

Re: [agi] Can We Start Somewhere was Approximations of Knowledge

2008-06-26 Thread Russell Wallace
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Steve Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps we could create a short database (maybe only a dozen or so entries) of sample queries, activities, tasks, etc., that YOU would like to see YOUR future AGIs performing to earn their electricity. The approach I

Re: [agi] Can We Start Somewhere was Approximations of Knowledge

2008-06-26 Thread William Pearson
2008/6/26 Steve Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jiri previously noted that perhaps AGIs would best be used to manage the affairs of humans so that we can do as we please without bothering with the complex details of life. Of course, people and some (communist) governments now already perform

Re: [agi] Approximations of Knowledge

2008-06-26 Thread Abram Demski
Ah, so you do not accept AIXI either. Put this way, your complex system dilemma applies only to pure AGI, and not to any narrow AI attempts, no matter how ambitious. But I suppose other, totally different reasons (such as P != NP, if so) can block those. Is this the best way to understand your

Re: [agi] Can We Start Somewhere was Approximations of Knowledge

2008-06-26 Thread Steve Richfield
Russell and William, OK, I think that I am finally beginning to get it. No one here is really planning to do wonderful things that people can't reasonably do, though Russell has pointed out some improvements which I will comment on separately. I am interested in things that people can NOT