RE: [agi] Epiphany - Statements of Stupidity

2010-08-08 Thread John G. Rose
Well, these artificial identities need to complete a loop. Say the artificial identity acquires an email address, phone#, a physical address, a bank account, logs onto Amazon and purchases stuff automatically it needs to be able to put money into its bank account. So let's say it has a low profit

Re: [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps

2010-08-08 Thread wannabe
I don't know if it's low-hanging fruit, but it certainly seems like it would require AGI to have a system that could given some picture or video input, say what some object is. And along those lines, accept verbal instruction as to what it is if it's wrong in what it thinks. I bring that up

Re: [agi] Epiphany - Statements of Stupidity

2010-08-08 Thread Ian Parker
If you have a *physical* address an avatar needs to *physically* be there. - Roxxy lives here with her friend Miss Al-Fasaq the belly dancer. Chat lines as Steve describes are not too difficult. In fact the girls (real) on a chat site have a sheet in front of them that gives the appropriate

Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2

2010-08-08 Thread Mike Tintner
Dave:No... it is equivalent to saying that the whole world can be modeled as if everything was made up of matter And matter is... ? Huh? You clearly don't realise that your thinking is seriously woolly - and you will pay a heavy price in lost time. What are your basic world/visual-world

Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2

2010-08-08 Thread David Jones
Mike, We've argued about this over and over and over. I don't want to repeat previous arguments to you. You have no proof that the world cannot be broken down into simpler concepts and components. The only proof you attempt to propose are your example problems that *you* don't understand how to

Re: [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps

2010-08-08 Thread deepakjnath
1. Basic object recognition can be used in camera phones to identify people in front or objects in front. This can be used by blind people to navigate their environment better. 2. AGI expert systems can be used to diagnose diseases. thanks, Deepak On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Ben Goertzel

Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2

2010-08-08 Thread David Jones
:) what you don't realize is that patterns don't have to be strictly limited to the actual physical structure. In fact, the chair patterns you refer to are not strictly physical patterns. The pattern is based on how the objects can be used, what their intended uses probably are, and what most

Re: [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps

2010-08-08 Thread Ian Parker
Just one point about Forex, your first entry. This is purely a time series analysis as I understand it. It is narrow AI in fact. With AGI you would expect interviews with the executives of listed companies, just as the big investment houses do. AGI would be data mining of everything about a

Stocks; was Re: [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps

2010-08-08 Thread Abram Demski
Ian, Be courteous-- Ben asked specifically that any arguments about which things are narrow-ai should start a separate topic. Yea, I did not intend to rule out any possible sources of information for the stock market prediction task. Ben has worked on a system which looked on the web for chatter

Re: [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps

2010-08-08 Thread Steve Richfield
Ben On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org wrote: I need to substantiate the case for such AGI technology by making an argument for high-value apps. There is interesting hidden value in some stuff. In the case of Dr. Eliza, it provide a communication pathway to sick

Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2

2010-08-08 Thread Mike Tintner
There is nothing visual or physical or geometric or quasi geometric about what you're saying - no shapes or forms whatsoever to your idea of patterns or chair or sitting. Given an opportunity to discuss physical concretes - and what actually physically constitutes a chair, or any other

Re: Stocks; was Re: [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps

2010-08-08 Thread Ian Parker
OK Ben is then one step ahead of Forex. Point is time series analysis, although it is narrow AI can be extremely powerful. The situation about * sentiment* is different from that of Poker where there is a single adversary bluffing. A time series analysis encompasses the *ensemble* of different