RE: [agi] Epiphany - Statements of Stupidity

2010-08-08 Thread John G. Rose
for years. I would bet that these identities already exist. What happens when there are many, many of them? Would we even know? John From: Steve Richfield [mailto:steve.richfi...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:17 PM To: agi Subject: Re: [agi] Epiphany - Statements

Re: [agi] Epiphany - Statements of Stupidity

2010-08-08 Thread Ian Parker
:* Re: [agi] Epiphany - Statements of Stupidity Ian, I recall several years ago that a group in Britain was operating just such a chatterbox as you explained, but did so on numerous sex-related sites, all running simultaneously. The chatterbox emulated young girls looking for sex

Re: [agi] Epiphany - Statements of Stupidity

2010-08-07 Thread Steve Richfield
John, You brought up some interesting points... On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:54 PM, John G. Rose johnr...@polyplexic.comwrote: -Original Message- From: Steve Richfield [mailto:steve.richfi...@gmail.com] On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:09 AM, John G. Rose johnr...@polyplexic.com wrote:

Re: [agi] Epiphany - Statements of Stupidity

2010-08-07 Thread Ian Parker
I wanted to see what other people's views were.My own view of the risks is as follows. If the Turing Machine is built to be as isomorphic with humans as possible, it would be incredibly dangerous. Indeed I feel that the biological model is far more dangerous than the mathematical. If on the other

Re: [agi] Epiphany - Statements of Stupidity

2010-08-07 Thread Steve Richfield
Ian, I recall several years ago that a group in Britain was operating just such a chatterbox as you explained, but did so on numerous sex-related sites, all running simultaneously. The chatterbox emulated young girls looking for sex. The program just sat there doing its thing on numerous sites,

Re: [agi] Epiphany - Statements of Stupidity

2010-08-06 Thread Mike Tintner
sTEVE:I have posted plenty about statements of ignorance, our probable inability to comprehend what an advanced intelligence might be thinking, What will be the SIMPLEST thing that will mark the first sign of AGI ? - Given that there are zero but zero examples of AGI. Don't you think it would

Re: [agi] Epiphany - Statements of Stupidity

2010-08-06 Thread Steve Richfield
Mike, Your reply flies in the face of two obvious facts: 1. I have little interest in what is called AGI here. My interests lie elsewhere, e.g. uploading, Dr. Eliza, etc. I posted this piece for several reasons, as it is directly applicable to Dr. Eliza, and because it casts a shadow on future

Re: [agi] Epiphany - Statements of Stupidity

2010-08-06 Thread Matt Mahoney
: Fri, August 6, 2010 5:57:33 AM Subject: Re: [agi] Epiphany - Statements of Stupidity sTEVE:I have posted plenty about statements of ignorance, our probable inability to comprehend what an advanced intelligence might be thinking, What will be the SIMPLEST thing that will mark the first

RE: [agi] Epiphany - Statements of Stupidity

2010-08-06 Thread John G. Rose
statements of stupidity - some of these are examples of cramming sophisticated thoughts into simplistic compressed text. Language is both intelligence enhancing and limiting. Human language is a protocol between agents. So there is minimalist data transfer, I had no choice but to ... is a

Re: [agi] Epiphany - Statements of Stupidity

2010-08-06 Thread Mike Tintner
intelligence has to be developed from v. simple origins, step by step, in order to actually understand these activities. From: Steve Richfield Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:52 PM To: agi Subject: Re: [agi] Epiphany - Statements of Stupidity Mike, Your reply flies in the face of two obvious facts: 1

Re: [agi] Epiphany - Statements of Stupidity

2010-08-06 Thread Ian Parker
I think that some quite important philosofical questions are raised by Steve's posting. I don't know BTW how you got it. I monitor all correspondence to the group, and I did not see it. The Turing test is not in fact a test of intelligence, it is a test of similarity with the human. Hence for a

Re: [agi] Epiphany - Statements of Stupidity

2010-08-06 Thread Steve Richfield
John, Congratulations, as your response was the only one that was on topic!!! On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:09 AM, John G. Rose johnr...@polyplexic.comwrote: statements of stupidity - some of these are examples of cramming sophisticated thoughts into simplistic compressed text. Definitely, as

RE: [agi] Epiphany - Statements of Stupidity

2010-08-06 Thread John G. Rose
-Original Message- From: Ian Parker [mailto:ianpark...@gmail.com] The Turing test is not in fact a test of intelligence, it is a test of similarity with the human. Hence for a machine to be truly Turing it would have to make mistakes. Now any useful system will be made as