Re: AI-GEOSTATS:

2001-05-23 Thread William Chesters
Pierre Goovaerts writes: Hello, In fact, once the pseudo-sill A cancels out from the system of linear equations, the system is expressed in terms of semivariograms I use to think in terms of covariances since it's more intuitive, and the simple kriging system can only be

Re: AI-GEOSTATS:

2001-05-23 Thread Denis ALLARD
In 1971, I and 16 other people were taught in a short course at Fontainebleau given by Andre Journel and Charles Huijbregts, completely in terms of the semi-variogram with the covariance only being brought in as a special case when you could ensure stationarity of both mean and standard

Re: AI-GEOSTATS:

2001-05-23 Thread Isobel Clark
It is well known that when inverting a matrix it is much better (for numerical reasons) that the higher values are on the diagonal and the lower values far off the diagonal. Have you not heard of pivoting? The computational problems of using a matrix based on the semi-variogram rather

Re: AI-GEOSTATS:

2001-05-23 Thread Isobel Clark
Excuse my persistence, but I think you are missing the point here. If you can produce a covariance function by subtracting the semi-variogram from an arbitrary constant AND if it makes no difference to the resulting equations, you are simply constructing the equations WITH the semi-variogram.

Re: AI-GEOSTATS:

2001-05-23 Thread Isobel Clark
Dear Denis I am sorry you think that I am being agressive. I thought I was being quite reasonable, but perception is a subjective thing. I think it is important for readers of this list to understand that there are different ways of coming to the same answer and that there are different opinions

AI-GEOSTATS: entering the fray

2001-05-23 Thread Yetta Jager
I'm hesitant to participate for fear of being jumped on, but I think there is another aspect to the original question that has not been addressed. From a practical standpoint, we have complete discretion in choosing a model. In theory, the properties of the sample do not inform the choice.

Re: AI-GEOSTATS: entering the fray

2001-05-23 Thread Isobel Clark
Hi Yetta Jump in, the water is lovely! All contributions equally valid in my e-mail box ;-) I have to confess that I have rarely used an unbounded semi-variogram model. In mining applications, in my experience (which is limited to 30 years in economic mineralisations) semi-variograms which

Re: AI-GEOSTATS:

2001-05-23 Thread Marco Alfaro S.
Dear Isobel: In the case of intrinsic random functions the covariance (non ergodic covariance) and the correlogram are artifacts (see my example in ai-geostats). I prefer to use the variogram. If you whish to have a symetric system, with no problems of pivoting, use the Matheron System, and

Re: AI-GEOSTATS:

2001-05-23 Thread Isobel Clark
Thank you, Marco! My point exactly. Isobel Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie -- * To post a message to the list, send it to [EMAIL

Re: FW: AI-GEOSTATS: entering the fray

2001-05-23 Thread Pierre Goovaerts
Hi guys, I promised myself I would not waste more time on this futile discussion about covariance and variogram, but it seems that the discussion has drifted far away from the initial comment by Isobel or that most people don't remember what was the initial question. Isobel's comment originated

Re: FW: AI-GEOSTATS: entering the fray

2001-05-23 Thread Felus A Yaron
Hi all, A few more references to the Covariance Vs. Semi- variograme discussion: To support Semi-variograme: Cressie N.A.C. (1993) Statistics for spatial data. New York Wiley. ( Page 70- 73) I believe that the original discussion appears in: Cressie A.C. Noel. and Grondona O. Martin