Re: [Emc-developers] time delay hal component for lube pump

[Steffen Möller]

How close is http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/oneshot.9.html to what you 
need? Should we possibly extend it for whatever is missing? And/or should the 
description of oneshot improve?

> Von: "Feral Engineer" 

> Classicladder is awesome for this 

That is what I also thought. Conceptually, just need to develop my respective 
skills a bit more.

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I have subscribed :)

Best,
Steffen

> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022, 4:17 PM Jon Elson  wrote:
> 
> > Hello, all,
> > I need a hal component for a lube pump.  What I am looking
> > for is more like a one-shot than the existing timedelay
> > component.
> > timedelay seems to be able to delay the start or the end of
> > a signal, but output will follow the input after the delays
> > occur.  I wanted a component that would trigger for a set
> > time after a trigger (or LinuxCNC starting) and then, I
> > could or it with the spindle enables.  This would ensure the
> > lube pump starts immediately when LCNC starts, and then run
> > whenever the spindle is on.  Anybody know a better way to do
> > this?
> > Thanks,
> > Jon
> >
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Aw: Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?

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> Gesendet: Montag, 21. November 2022 um 03:10 Uhr
> Von: "Roberto A. Foglietta" 
> An: "Steve McIntyre" 
> Cc: "Michael Neuffer" , debian-project@lists.debian.org
> Betreff: Re: Fortunes-off - do we need this as a package for Bookworm?
>
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 at 00:59, Steve McIntyre  wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 12:07:53AM +0100, Michael Neuffer wrote:
> > >Am 20. November 2022 23:04:05 MEZ schrieb Mattia Rizzolo 
> > >:
> > >>On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 10:45:15PM +0100, Michael Neuffer wrote:
> > >>> On 11/20/22 22:14, Roberto A. Foglietta wrote:
> > >>> > On Sun, 20 Nov 2022 at 21:42, G. Branden Robinson
> > >>> >  wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > > Thank you for, perhaps inadvertently, compelling me to review some 
> > >>> > > of
> > >>> > > the content of the package.  I can now say that I am certain there 
> > >>> > > is
> > >>> > > material of worth in the fortunes-off package and support its 
> > >>> > > retention
> > >>> > > in the Debian distribution.  A review process for individual entries
> > >>> > > that are incompatible with the project's values is manifest in the 
> > >>> > > BTS.
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > rational approach vs cancel culture: 1 vs 0
> > >>> > <3
> > >>>
> > >>> I can only very much agree to this.
> > >>
> > >>I also wholly agree, alas it seems we already lost before this even
> > >>started :(
> > >>
> > >>https://tracker.debian.org/news/1385116/accepted-fortune-mod-11991-72-source-amd64-all-into-unstable/
> > >>
> > >
> > >As it was an NMU, this should be easily rectified.
> > >Don't let cancel culture win.
> >
> > Are you volunteering to pick up the package and review its contents,
> > removing the worst stuff that is clearly *not* fit for us to publish?
> > In its previous state it included:
> >
> >  * content that is downright illegal in many jurisdictions
>
> Obviously illegal material should not be distributed. How many of
> these quotes do you find that violate the law in some countries?
> Please, keep in mind that in Germany the nazi propaganda is out-of-law
> but in some other countires out-of-law is the use of the name of the
> profet (whoever he is). So, law compliance might not be as easy as you
> pretend to be unless OUR ONLY culture is considered (which by the
> way?).

Not a lawyer, and I did not have a look into that package, but in Germany, in 
part also because of our 
censoring-and-we-punish-your-family-if-we-cannot-get-you-for-it past, it is 
unlikely that you are censored as long as this is satire - and fortune-off from 
the descriptions given I consider to qualify. Also, just wait until we are 
sued, then we know.

The main concern I understood to be that our community would see some damage by 
such an exceptional package being redistributed. But I do not see that.

> >  * content that is impossible to justify against Debian's stated values
>
> Nice, so we are going to burn "Mein Kampf" in such a way nobody will
> be able to read it?

That is is bit off. The question would be if Debian would decide to 
redistribute it. I have my full trust in our FTPadmins that this would not 
happen, though. That package would be a bit sick, also a fortunes-meinkampf 
that comes up with random quotes from it. There are many differences between 
redistributing that with redistributing anything like fortunes-off, the most 
important one to me is "intent".

> Every library should do that, conforming to their
> values. Burning books, uhm where we saw these before? So, the great
> difference here is to explicitly tell the reader that the content can
> be offensive in some culture or under some PoV.

But if there was something like fortunes-rickygervais - oder 
fortunes-jordanpeterson - not? Even though those two are triggering many 
feelings.

> This is exactly what the -o option does
>
> -o Choose only from potentially offensive aphorisms.
>
> Please, elaborate your opposition because it is quite generic,
> everything above considered.

I would leave that fortunes-off package in. And I just hope for some 
self-censoring that keeps the trolls in us in check so we can delay discussing 
what we are discussing here.

Steffen

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.9 Release Manager Required.

[Steffen Möller]

> Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. November 2022 um 11:58 Uhr
> Von: "Jérémie Tarot" 
> An: "EMC developers" 
> Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] 2.9 Release Manager Required.
>
> Le mar. 15 nov. 2022 à 01:03, Rod Webster  a écrit :
> >
> > I'll just wait until you guys decide on a way forward and iff the offer we
> > have is required.
> > Perhaps the Github actions could be extended to build the 2.9 branch?
> 
> I don't see what would prevent us to build whatever branches we'd want to !?
> 
> > If that were possible, maybe the VM here does the RTAI build?
> 
> That remains possible with the GitHub actions thanks to the
> self-hosted runners feature:
> https://github.com/actions/runner
> https://docs.github.com/en/actions/hosting-your-own-runners
> https://github.com/actions/runner/blob/main/docs/start/envlinux.md
> 
> > I'm not sure git will host the resulting debs
> 
> Sadly, the GitHub Packages feature only supports programming languages
> modules packages.
> This is why I looked for an hosting solution and found PackageCloud.io
> which does just that.
> 
> > but it might be worth mentioning the Open build Service I linked to earlier 
> > can be incorporated
> > right into sources.list with the appropriate security keys.
> 
> It is indeed ! Can't believe I didn't remember it and even that it
> didn't pop up in the many searches I did :/
> This could actually be the best option to keep all builds (RTAI
> included), as it looks like OBS supports custom-built containers and
> VMs, and package hosting all in the same place. It may well be able to
> build the live ISO too, but I'm still not sure about that...
> It also supports GitHub integration via webhooks and status reporting,
> as well as it is Open Source and self-hostable, and even available in
> Debian... what else ?! :)
> https://openbuildservice.org/help/manuals/obs-user-guide/cha.obs.scm_ci_workflow_integration.html
> 
> OBS repositories could at least be mirrored/synced to
> http://linuxcnc.org/dists/ if no more elegant solution is available
> 
> WDYT ?
> 
> PS: Brother projects like MesaCT, QtPyVCP, etc. packages could also be
> built under LinuxCNC umbrella there too

I do not get all the details but I tend to think that an external build service 
would free energy for us to concentrate on LinuxCNC itself, so I am very much 
up for it.

Best,
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Re: [Emc-developers] Plans for the USB sticks anyone?

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> Gesendet: Montag, 14. November 2022 um 10:28 Uhr
> Von: "andy pugh" 
> An: "EMC developers" 
> Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] Plans for the USB sticks anyone?
>
> On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 08:52, Steffen Möller  wrote:
> 
> > b) the Live USB stick with LinuxCNC (and other useful or eye candy bits) on 
> > it
> >
> > Is there any "production team" for b) already? I would like to discuss what 
> > is missing and/or should be updated.
> 
> It uses live-build and is controlled by:
> https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc-live-build

Found it. Thank you for the pointer. That repository features a branch 
"bookworm" next to a branch "buster", nothing for "bullseye".

I am tempted to suggest that the LiveCD may run with bookworm. My line of 
thought is that when we release, bookworm will already be "frozen", such that 
the parts of Debian we are using are unlikely to see much of a change until the 
release gets out.

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[Emc-developers] Python3 is available also for buster Aw: Re: 2.9 Release Manager Required.

[Steffen Möller]

If all the dependencies of the RTAI version are in Debian then I see no reason 
why only the RTAI version should be built.
Python3 is in all versions of Debian 
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/python3-defaults.

Best,
Steffen

> Gesendet: Montag, 14. November 2022 um 13:44 Uhr
> Von: "Rod Webster" 
> An: "EMC developers" 
> Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] 2.9 Release Manager Required.
>
> OK,
> I wonder if we could organise a Google meet to discuss this before I go
> back to Damien so I understand requirements. Also it would be good if
> somebody could find out memory requirements for a buildbot.
> 
> I am GMT +10 so off to bed now.
> 
> Rod Webster
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> 
> 
> On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 21:28, andy pugh  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 10:18, Rod Webster  wrote:
> > >
> > > Do we really need  a Bullseye release?
> >
> > I think so.  I have the impression that the 2.9 release is already
> > considered "late" and our LiveCD is currently based on Buster (which
> > is out of date, though still supported as oldstable, I think?)
> >
> > Bookworm is due to be released in the middle of next year, which seems
> > a long time to be distributing a Buster ISO.
> >
> > > If the Debian release freeze starts In January and we've always had to
> > > build from source on Bullseye, aren't we going backwards and doubling the
> > > maintenance?
> >
> > No, going forward from Buster, which is our current release platform
> > (buildbot debs and ISO OS)
> > We would theoretically be reducing maintenance as 2.9 abandons support
> > for Python2 and GTK2.
> > http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MinimumSoftwareVersions
> > That means supporting Buster, Bullseye, Bookworm and Focal but not
> > bothering any more with being compatible with Precise, Wheezy, Jessie
> > or Stretch.
> >
> > Even when Bookworm is out we still have a bit of a gap if we want to
> > continue to support RTAI as the Debian infrastructure is (probably)
> > only going to build the uspace version.
> >
> > There are helper apps that work fairly well to run linuxcnc-uspace on
> > RTAI or Xenomai kernels. Would we want to add those to Debian too?
> >
> > I think that we would continue to host the less mainstream debs at
> > www.linuxcnc.org/dists along with some of or  backported packages
> > (where required)
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > atp
> > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
> > designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
> > lunatics."
> > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912
> >
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[Emc-developers] Plans for the USB sticks anyone?

[Steffen Möller]

Dear all,

I keep thinking that we are releasing two different things together
a) LinuxCNC
b) the Live USB stick with LinuxCNC (and other useful or eye candy bits) on it

Is there any "production team" for b) already? I would like to discuss what is 
missing and/or should be updated.

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Re: [Emc-developers] 2.9 Release Manager Required.

[Steffen Möller]

I have not yet fully understood what is happening but I like all the vibes you 
are sending.

> Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. November 2022 um 22:50 Uhr
> Von: "John Thornton" 
>
> I've been putzing around with buildbot and just now have it showing
> changes in a scratch github repo. Now to make it build a deb...

The .deb-building I suggest to copy from the ci.yml file 
(https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/.github/workflows/ci.yml):

eatmydata apt-get --yes --quiet build-dep --arch-only .
eatmydata debuild -us -uc --build=any

The debuild (or dpkg-buildpackage) is executed from within the source tree.

The primary challenge for the build bots may be to place the resulting .debs in 
a location from where they can then be installed with apt. I have no idea how 
the current system does it.

Best,
Steffen

>
> JT
>
> On 11/13/2022 3:43 PM, andy pugh wrote:
> > On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 at 21:15, Bari  wrote:
> >
> >> Rod,
> >>
> >> Have  you had a chance to check with your web host on getting a free VM?
> >>
> >> How much VM do we need to host a new buildbot?
> >
> > The existing buildbot (should) work for Buster and previous OSes.
> >
> > And Debian will be building Bookworm + uspace
> >
> > So I think we would need
> >
> > Bullseye amd64 uspace
> > Bullseye amd64 RTAI
> > Bullseye arm64 uspace
> > Bookworm amd64 RTAI
> >
>
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Re: [Emc-developers] 2.9 Release Manager Required.

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> Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. November 2022 um 02:11 Uhr
> Von: "Rod Webster" 
> An: "EMC developers" 
> Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] 2.9 Release Manager Required.
>
> Steffan thanks for clarifying.
> It's been a while since I've used stable (Bullseye) but I don't think there
> would be anything that prevents the current unstable (bookworm)
> packages from  building on Bullseye.
> Maybe they could be uploaded to stable and see what happens?
> That would fill the gap on the stable build that currently exists.
> I don't think you could upload v 2.8 to oldstable because the copyright
> would not be compliant.

I'll give it a try. How this works is that I take the version that arrived in 
bookworm and upload that to stable-backports. More on 
https://backports.debian.org .

> I am willing to lean on my hosting provider to see if he will agree to
> donate a server instance to act as a buildbot with a Debian focus  building
> just the approved debian packages (eg. 2.9 and master). This would give a
> best practice enterprise class redundant hardware platform as a foundation.
> I'll let you know how I go during the week.

I would like to hear from @Seb about this. The machine itself I do not think to 
be the problem.

Best,
Steffen


> On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 at 09:36, Steffen Möller  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > > Gesendet: Samstag, 12. November 2022 um 23:37 Uhr
> > > Von: "Rod Webster" 
> > > An: "EMC developers" 
> > > Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] 2.9 Release Manager Required.
> > >
> > > John, I wonder if any buildbot could be based on the debian
> > > buildd infrastructure?
> >
> > The Debian Build Demons can be inspected on
> > https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=linuxcnc but only work
> > with the packages for unstable. So, we can use them but would not get the
> > insights for the older distributions that I learned LinuxCNC to be used a
> > lot with.
> >
> > > Maybe Steffen could help point the way?
> > > https://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/
> >
> > What is it you want to know?
> >
> > > It kind of makes sense if the future is debian.
> >
> > The future for the automated builds? That could be a plan. Problems with
> > that is that to test if a package works on a distribution you need to
> > upload to that distribution. And if there then was a problem, you will only
> > find that after package was uploaded. For unstable that is not too bad, but
> > for backports to stable, the current buildbot situation may be preferable
> > prior to an upload. We have the Github autobuilds that help.
> >
> > We could upload backports of LinuxCNC to Debian stable and see how this
> > works.
> >
> > Best,
> > Steffen
> >
> >
> > > On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 at 02:14, John Thornton  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Andy,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for everything you have done.
> > > >
> > > > I'm like you and don't have the keys or know the process either...
> > > >
> > > > Now that I have unlimited Internet access I could setup a buildbot but
> > > > like you I lack the expertise or know of a tutorial. It might be
> > > > something for me to attempt in between adding features and fixing bugs
> > > > with mesact.
> > > >
> > > > JT
> > > >
> > > > On 11/11/2022 7:05 PM, andy pugh wrote:
> > > > > I can't do it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Previously the buildbot was integral to the process, but the buildbot
> > > > only
> > > > > builds for Buster- and I have no control over it.
> > > > >
> > > > > LinuxCNC is being built into Debian Bookworm, but I have no
> > involvement
> > > > in
> > > > > this process, and no access rights.
> > > > >
> > > > > Debian Bullseye would be the logical release platform for 2.9. I
> > could
> > > > set
> > > > > up my own build-farm (I have enough hardware) but that would be a
> > lot of
> > > > > work in an area in which I have no expertise.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have asked what the release platform should be, and there wasn't a
> > > > single
> > > > > reply.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will continue as a user and I will continue to offer my support on
> > > > > the forum and mailing lists, I am not going anywhere, but I am both
> > > > > ignorant of what the relea

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.9 Release Manager Required.

[Steffen Möller]

@Andy, @John, others (? Rene and Chris come to mind), I happily help you 
through the steps to become a Debian Maintainer 
(https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer) and with some good confidence so 
does Petter. Just ping me.

Concerning what OS platform to use for LinuxCNC, what we should possibly do is 
to prepare a questionnaire and have the users mailing list decide about what 
the USB stick should run on. After all, it is them who need to install it/buy 
new computers if we demand too much. Or we do multiple ISOs, i.e. one for 
Buster, one for Bullseye, and one for Bookworm. And then we learn from the 
download stats.

Should we possibly just prepare an alpha release and look how far we get with 
what we have? And offer a public .iso for that?

Best,
Steffen

> Gesendet: Samstag, 12. November 2022 um 23:46 Uhr
> Von: "John Thornton" 
> An: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] 2.9 Release Manager Required.
>
> Seems limiting to me
>
> The autobuilder network is a Debian development that manages package
> compilations for all the architectures Debian currently supports
> .
>
> JT
>
> On 11/12/2022 4:37 PM, Rod Webster wrote:
> > John, I wonder if any buildbot could be based on the debian
> > buildd infrastructure?
> > Maybe Steffen could help point the way?
> > https://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/
> > It kind of makes sense if the future is debian.
> >
> > Rod Webster
> > *1300 896 832*
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> >
> >
> > On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 at 02:14, John Thornton  wrote:
> >
> >> Andy,
> >>
> >> Thanks for everything you have done.
> >>
> >> I'm like you and don't have the keys or know the process either...
> >>
> >> Now that I have unlimited Internet access I could setup a buildbot but
> >> like you I lack the expertise or know of a tutorial. It might be
> >> something for me to attempt in between adding features and fixing bugs
> >> with mesact.
> >>
> >> JT
> >>
> >> On 11/11/2022 7:05 PM, andy pugh wrote:
> >>> I can't do it.
> >>>
> >>> Previously the buildbot was integral to the process, but the buildbot
> >> only
> >>> builds for Buster- and I have no control over it.
> >>>
> >>> LinuxCNC is being built into Debian Bookworm, but I have no involvement
> >> in
> >>> this process, and no access rights.
> >>>
> >>> Debian Bullseye would be the logical release platform for 2.9. I could
> >> set
> >>> up my own build-farm (I have enough hardware) but that would be a lot of
> >>> work in an area in which I have no expertise.
> >>>
> >>> I have asked what the release platform should be, and there wasn't a
> >> single
> >>> reply.
> >>>
> >>> I will continue as a user and I will continue to offer my support on
> >>> the forum and mailing lists, I am not going anywhere, but I am both
> >>> ignorant of what the release policy should be and  incapable of
> >> performing
> >>> the release manager role with the accesses and expertise that I have.
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [Emc-developers] 2.9 Release Manager Required.

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> Gesendet: Samstag, 12. November 2022 um 23:37 Uhr
> Von: "Rod Webster" 
> An: "EMC developers" 
> Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] 2.9 Release Manager Required.
>
> John, I wonder if any buildbot could be based on the debian
> buildd infrastructure?

The Debian Build Demons can be inspected on 
https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=linuxcnc but only work with the 
packages for unstable. So, we can use them but would not get the insights for 
the older distributions that I learned LinuxCNC to be used a lot with.

> Maybe Steffen could help point the way?
> https://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/

What is it you want to know?

> It kind of makes sense if the future is debian.

The future for the automated builds? That could be a plan. Problems with that 
is that to test if a package works on a distribution you need to upload to that 
distribution. And if there then was a problem, you will only find that after 
package was uploaded. For unstable that is not too bad, but for backports to 
stable, the current buildbot situation may be preferable prior to an upload. We 
have the Github autobuilds that help.

We could upload backports of LinuxCNC to Debian stable and see how this works.

Best,
Steffen


> On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 at 02:14, John Thornton  wrote:
>
> > Andy,
> >
> > Thanks for everything you have done.
> >
> > I'm like you and don't have the keys or know the process either...
> >
> > Now that I have unlimited Internet access I could setup a buildbot but
> > like you I lack the expertise or know of a tutorial. It might be
> > something for me to attempt in between adding features and fixing bugs
> > with mesact.
> >
> > JT
> >
> > On 11/11/2022 7:05 PM, andy pugh wrote:
> > > I can't do it.
> > >
> > > Previously the buildbot was integral to the process, but the buildbot
> > only
> > > builds for Buster- and I have no control over it.
> > >
> > > LinuxCNC is being built into Debian Bookworm, but I have no involvement
> > in
> > > this process, and no access rights.
> > >
> > > Debian Bullseye would be the logical release platform for 2.9. I could
> > set
> > > up my own build-farm (I have enough hardware) but that would be a lot of
> > > work in an area in which I have no expertise.
> > >
> > > I have asked what the release platform should be, and there wasn't a
> > single
> > > reply.
> > >
> > > I will continue as a user and I will continue to offer my support on
> > > the forum and mailing lists, I am not going anywhere, but I am both
> > > ignorant of what the release policy should be and  incapable of
> > performing
> > > the release manager role with the accesses and expertise that I have.
> > >
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Aw: Re: Possibility of In-person sprints in 2023?

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> Gesendet: Samstag, 29. Oktober 2022 um 20:55 Uhr
> Von: "Andreas Tille" 
> An: debian-med@lists.debian.org
> Betreff: Re: Possibility of In-person sprints in 2023?
>
> Hi,
>
> Am Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 12:58:04AM +0530 schrieb Nilesh Patra:
> > I suppose sprints in 2021 and 2022 have been virtual so far due to COVID.
> > There were some COVID related sprints in 2020 as well.
> >
> > Is there a possibilty to have an in-person debian-med sprint in 2023?
> > Would someone be interested in it, or so?
>
> I'm much in favour of an in-person meeting in the beginning of 2023.
> Since it would be great to invite Nilesh it makes sense to meet
> somewhere close to an international airport.  Sascha, would it be
> possible again in the rooms of your employer in Berlin?  Any other
> suggestions?

I agree, it would be good to meet. Should we not meet up in your home town, 
Andreas? (Or Nilesh?)
I could collect Nilesh from the Frankfurt Airport to guide him to your 
mountainous hideout.

Alternatively I would contact a few institutes in Germany that perform Covid 19 
research on live viruses and ask them if they would host us - Hamburg, Berlin 
or some of this historically cool places like https://www.fli.de/ (built on an 
island with a purpose).

Best,
Steffen

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(((mult2))) Product of two inputs (multiplexing).

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This confuses mult with mux? The recent addition "(multiplexing)" needs to go
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'usr/lib/python2.7/qtvcp/plugins/qtvcp_plugin.py' or  
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When True, counts and position are rounded or reset  
(depends on index-mode) on next rising edge of channel-I.  
Every time position is reset because of Index, index-enabled  
pin is set to 0 and remain 0 until connected HAL pin does  
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@Some good soul: Please make this easier to understand.

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HOME_USE_INDEX requires connections in your HAL file to joint.n.index-enable
from the encoder.n.index-enable.

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## Comment

The documentation typically abbreviates axes in pin names with capital 'N's,
and joints with capital 'L's, if my short term memory serves me right. The
joint.n.index-enable should be joint.L.index-enable (ok, joint. _L_.index-
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representing a joint would get the same variable symbol, i.e. encoder.L.index-
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For example, if 'siggen.0.amplitude' is 1.0 and 'siggen.0.offset' is 0.0, the
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>From -7.5 to 12.5?

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To create several subroutines concatenated into a single file, go to each tab
fill in the blanks, press 'Create Feature' then using the arrow keys move any
tabs needed to put them in order. Now press 'Finalize' and answer the prompt
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This documentation's sentence is incomplete.

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In new code, prefer use of rtapi_parport to rtapi_parport.

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Prefer A over A?

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## Source string

String defining ON color of LED.  
May be any valid gdk.Color name.  
Not working on Ubuntu 8.04.

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## Comment

I suggest to update to some positive wording (as in working since Ubuntu 9+)
and a reference to a list of colors that can be used.
<https://docs.gtk.org/gdk3/struct.Color.html> comes to mind, which states that
this is deprecated?!?

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## Source string

Things are not this way currently in the joints-axes branch, but deviations
from this design are considered bugs. For an example of such a bug, see the
treatment of axes in src/emc/ini/initraj.cc:loadTraj(). There are undoubtedly
more, and I need your help to find them and fix them.

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## Comment

The joint-axes dev branch was merged for 2.8 if I got this right. Please
someone update this section who knows more than me.

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## Source string

Q- is not 0 or greater

## Source string description

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## Comment

I read this as "Q is negative".

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'M0' - pause a running program temporarily. LinuxCNC remains in the Auto Mode
so MDI and other manual actions are not enabled. Pressing the resume button
will restart the program at the following line.

## Source string description

type: Plain text

## Comment

I am unhappy with the term "restart". That would imply that something would be
"re"-executed, which is not the case, and variables are not affected, either.
I would prefer "the execution of that program continues in the following
line."

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## Source string location

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## Source string

'(USC float) ppmc..stepgen..max-vel' - The maximum value for
'velocity'. Commands greater than 'max-vel' will be clamped. Also applies to
negative values. (The absolute value is clamped.)

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## Comment

I am uncertain what "clamped" is about to mean - I interpret this as "capped".
Am I right? Thanks!

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## Source string location

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Bug#1014274: yosys RM of s390x should be requested, too

[Steffen Möller]

Dear all,

The s390x package of yosys is no longer built, either, and should hence
also be removed, see https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/yosys . Does this
need a separate RM?

Many thanks!

Steffen

Re: [Emc-developers] [Hosted Weblate] New comment in LinuxCNC/LinuxCNC Documentation

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> ## Source string
> 
> '(funct) pwmgen.make-pulses' - High speed function to generate PWM waveforms
> (no floating point). The high speed function 'pwmgen.make-pulses' should be
> run in the base (fastest) thread, from 10 to 50 us depending on the
> 
> ## Comment
> 
> The correct SI prefix is µ, so it should be, for example, 50 µs. Is µ OK as a
> normal character in Asciidoc?
> 
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Yes, that should be fine. I may have missed that one, but I typically put
µs and µm whenever I encounter them.

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The bug was in libtiff, not with linuxcnc. In some deeper theory nothing
was required for us to do, but nobody closed that bug. I have done that
now by an email to 1012789-d...@bugs.debian.org but do not see this as
closed in the bug system, yet.

On 14.07.22 00:35, andy pugh wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 at 16:35, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers
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## Comment

I do not understand this sentence.

And I don't understand what we are meant to do with these emails.

I see no way to reply to the comment.

It's the description of an index-enable pin. It works exactly the same
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## Source string

'(funct) pwmgen.make-pulses' - High speed function to generate PWM waveforms
(no floating point). The high speed function 'pwmgen.make-pulses' should be
run in the base (fastest) thread, from 10 to 50 us depending on the
capabilities of the computer. That thread's period determines the maximum PWM
carrier frequency, as well as the resolution of the PWM or PDM signals. If the
base thread is 50,000nS then every 50uS the module decides if it is time to
change the state of the output. At 50% duty cycle and 25Hz PWM frequency this
means that the output changes state every (1 / 25) seconds / 50uS * 50% = 400
iterations. This also means that you have a 800 possible duty cycle values
(without dithering)

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## Comment

nS and uS are nano- and microseconds, right? I suggest to be consistent with
lower case s and a blank between the number and the unit.

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## Source string

Used to home to an encoder index

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## Comment

I do not understand this sentence.

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## Source string

'LOG_LEVEL = 0' Default 0 Specify the log_level (default: -1)

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## Comment

Default is 0 or -1 ? And what does 0 or -1 mean?

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[Steffen Möller]

On 05.07.22 15:34, gene heskett wrote:

On 7/5/22 08:26, andy pugh wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jul 2022 at 11:47, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers
 wrote:


degrees. Values returned by unary operations which return angle
measures
('ACOS', 'ASIN', and 'ATAN') are also in degrees.
This is unexpected. Radial is the default for these functions about
everywhere
else. This should be made more explicit.

I would imagine that most CNC operators will expect degrees. Can you
imagine trying to type in a right-angle in MDI in radians?

G1 @20 ^ 90

is far more practical than

G1 @20 ^ 1.570796327


I agree with Andy on this one Steffan, for CNC, radians is a PITA.
My current project is a hard maple vise screw, about 18.5" inches
long. To carve a
2 start, 12mm pitch thread is 187,000 degrees, LinuxCNC tracks that
perfectly. As a
retired broadcast engineer, everything I've had to do has always been
done in degrees.
Including measuring guy wire tensions by the intercept method using a
riflescope is
SOP.


Uh, sorry, missunderstanding. I was spending too much time in weblate
and forgot how this may be read without that documentation-context. I do
not suggest that you should change the function, my comment only refers
to the documentation that should explicitly state 0-360 or something to
render it absolutely clear to everyone. But admittedly I still hope to
find the constant Pi defined somewhere and then 90 is about as easy as Pi/2.

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The available functions are shown in following table. Arguments to unary
operations which take angle measures ('COS', 'SIN', and 'TAN' ) are in
degrees. Values returned by unary operations which return angle measures
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This is unexpected. Radial is the default for these functions about everywhere
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It is OK to program S0, the spindle will not turn if that is done.

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'G28 axes' - makes a rapid move to the position specified by 'axes' including
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It may just be me, but I had read this wrong. Coming back with what I learned
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## Source string

These pins are True (1) when the button is pressed.

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Unclear - is it as long as the button is held? Or just a clock tick upon the
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Bug#1014100: We should do an update of all qiime2 modules as soon as possible (Was: Bug#1014100: qiime: autopkgtest needs update for new version of python-decorator)

[Steffen Möller]

On 30.06.22 11:51, Andreas Tille wrote:

I'd like to point out to this serious bug.  Steffen, would you mind
koordinating (not doing alone) an upgrade of the qiime infrastructure to
make sure everything will go smoothly?

I added "to be updated" tags to all the qiime2 packages on

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tApLhVqxRZ2VOuMH_aPUgFENQJfbLlB_PFH_Ah_q7hM/edit#gid=1986383821

Yes, these updates are overdue. I'll see what I can do, help is of
course much appreciated.

Many thanks!

Steffen

Bug#1014100: We should do an update of all qiime2 modules as soon as possible (Was: Bug#1014100: qiime: autopkgtest needs update for new version of python-decorator)

[Steffen Möller]

On 30.06.22 11:51, Andreas Tille wrote:

I'd like to point out to this serious bug.  Steffen, would you mind
koordinating (not doing alone) an upgrade of the qiime infrastructure to
make sure everything will go smoothly?

I added "to be updated" tags to all the qiime2 packages on

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tApLhVqxRZ2VOuMH_aPUgFENQJfbLlB_PFH_Ah_q7hM/edit#gid=1986383821

Yes, these updates are overdue. I'll see what I can do, help is of
course much appreciated.

Many thanks!

Steffen

Re: We should do an update of all qiime2 modules as soon as possible (Was: Bug#1014100: qiime: autopkgtest needs update for new version of python-decorator)

[Steffen Möller]

On 30.06.22 11:51, Andreas Tille wrote:

I'd like to point out to this serious bug.  Steffen, would you mind
koordinating (not doing alone) an upgrade of the qiime infrastructure to
make sure everything will go smoothly?

I added "to be updated" tags to all the qiime2 packages on

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tApLhVqxRZ2VOuMH_aPUgFENQJfbLlB_PFH_Ah_q7hM/edit#gid=1986383821

Yes, these updates are overdue. I'll see what I can do, help is of
course much appreciated.

Many thanks!

Steffen

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Technically, "not" could be confused with "None". Sounds like a tautology.
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Re: [Emc-developers] linuxcnc is marked for autoremoval from testing

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On 29.06.22 19:44, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:

Note that Jeff already "fixed" this by making LinuxCNC not use the
buggy libtk-img library (turns out the functionality we used from that
library had become available in core Tk).

;) So LinuxCNC was even improved.

I intend to upload a new LinuxCNC deb to unstable that closes this
bug, which will prevent us from getting removed from testing.


I just checked with the latest upload of libtk-img - it got fixed, i.e.
the version prior to Jeff's fix works again. This means we can just
close the bug.

Best,
Steffen




On June 29, 2022 10:56:46 AM MDT, "Steffen Möller"
 wrote:

On 29.06.22 17:14, Stuart Stevenson wrote:

What does 'autoremoval from testing' mean? Is it good or bad?


Harmless. Mostly :)

When there is a bug to a package that is not fixed then the package is
removed from the testing distribution of Debian that is the next stable
release. And with it all packages that depend on that package need to
go. Such removals are mighty annoying when the dependency just affects
some borderline use of some software. On the plus side, this gets things
fixed more quickly.

A removal from testing does not mean that it is removed from unstable,
i.e. the Debian distribution in which all uploaded packages appear
before 5 days later transitioning to testing. This (very ironic) renders
unstable sometimes more stable than testing.

The background to this bug is that there was this abi change to the tiff
library that affected the Img Tk library. This was first spotted from
within LinuxCNC. I personally take this as an indication that LinuxCNC
is one of the most-used Tk applications these days :) It is not our bug,
though. And someone has already or is about to fix this.

Such incompatibilities happen all the time. It is the main purpose of a
Linux distribution to spot these and fix them. With LinuxCNC now being
part of the very latest of Debian in Debian unstable (and unstable+5
bugfree days = testing) LinuxCNC is more exposed to this
distribution-development. A year from now the current testing
distribution will be frozen, i.e. no more uploads and thus no more
sudden incompatibilities, and after loads of bug fixes released as the
new stable.

Best,
Steffen

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 11:34 AM gene heskett
 wrote:

On 6/23/22 10:31, Debian testing autoremoval watch wrote:

linuxcnc 2.9.0~pre0+git20220402.2500863908-4 is marked
for autoremoval

from testing on 2022-07-13

It is affected by these RC bugs: 1012789:
linuxcnc-uspace: Linux CNC will not start
https://bugs.debian.org/1012789

I beg to differ, this mornings install from the buildbot
for both wintel and armhf machines is working fine. And
has done so for every install here. sometimes at less than
daily intervals for an updated install since the last time
the buildbot was restarted. Pix of two machines running it
are at:  This is all on uptodate
buster. The last time I tried to build on bullseye was on
the rpi4 (armhf) and it failed on both a wintel and on an
armhf because the python was too new.

This mail is generated by:


https://salsa.debian.org/release-team/release-tools/-/blob/master/mailer/mail_autoremovals.pl


Autoremoval data is generated by:


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[Steffen Möller]

On 29.06.22 17:14, Stuart Stevenson wrote:

What does 'autoremoval from testing' mean? Is it good or bad?


Harmless. Mostly :)

When there is a bug to a package that is not fixed then the package is
removed from the testing distribution of Debian that is the next stable
release. And with it all packages that depend on that package need to
go. Such removals are mighty annoying when the dependency just affects
some borderline use of some software. On the plus side, this gets things
fixed more quickly.

A removal from testing does not mean that it is removed from unstable,
i.e. the Debian distribution in which all uploaded packages appear
before 5 days later transitioning to testing. This (very ironic) renders
unstable sometimes more stable than testing.

The background to this bug is that there was this abi change to the tiff
library that affected the Img Tk library. This was first spotted from
within LinuxCNC. I personally take this as an indication that LinuxCNC
is one of the most-used Tk applications these days :) It is not our bug,
though. And someone has already or is about to fix this.

Such incompatibilities happen all the time. It is the main purpose of a
Linux distribution to spot these and fix them. With LinuxCNC now being
part of the very latest of Debian in Debian unstable (and unstable+5
bugfree days = testing) LinuxCNC is more exposed to this
distribution-development. A year from now the current testing
distribution will be frozen, i.e. no more uploads and thus no more
sudden incompatibilities, and after loads of bug fixes released as the
new stable.

Best,
Steffen



On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 11:34 AM gene heskett  wrote:


On 6/23/22 10:31, Debian testing autoremoval watch wrote:

linuxcnc 2.9.0~pre0+git20220402.2500863908-4 is marked for autoremoval

from testing on 2022-07-13

It is affected by these RC bugs:
1012789: linuxcnc-uspace: Linux CNC will not start
   https://bugs.debian.org/1012789

I beg to differ, this mornings install from the buildbot for both wintel
and armhf machines
is working fine. And has done so for every install here. sometimes at
less than daily intervals
for an updated install since the last time the buildbot was restarted.
Pix of two machines running it are at:



This is all on uptodate buster.  The last time I tried to build on
bullseye was on the rpi4 (armhf)
and it failed on both a wintel and on an armhf because the python was
too new.




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Re: [Emc-developers] Is it still possible to build RTAI debs?

[Steffen Möller]

On 28.06.22 11:16, andy pugh wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 at 02:23, Sebastian Kuzminsky  wrote:


Since 2.9/master dropped support for all platforms that have packaged
RTAI kernel debs on wlo, support for configuring debs for RTAI was
removed in commit 6f285604ac1a1b58b2d65d5904ffec3998a833ef.

There are packaged kernel debs for Buster on WLO:
https://www.linuxcnc.org/dists/buster/base/binary-amd64/

I thought that 2.9 was going to continue to support Buster?


No idea if it is worth the effort, but we can provide an RTAI .deb for
debian-backports-buster that has a different package name, i.e. that
does not appear on the current stable release of Debian (bullseye), just
the orig.tar.gz must be the same throughout.



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Re: Covering visa fees as part of flights+accommodation expenses for events

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On 27.06.22 17:34, Jonathan Carter wrote:

This had mixed results, for one, people who had their visa's covered
in the past may have been surprised to learn that this time round they
suddenly had to pay $100-200 that they thought would have been covered.

Furthermore, visa requirements tend to affect people from less
privileged countries the most. If we're serious about diversity, I
think that we should include covering the visa fee if we offer
travel+accommodation by default, and that this should be the default
for DebConf going forward, and ideally for all Debian events.

A conference is about rendering us all mostly equal - some location,
same food, same discussions. Diversity would also include those who
cannot travel, or who cannot travel alone. I am fine with paying all
travel-associated costs, but not because of diversity, please. Just call
if "fairness" or "equal opportunity" or whatever.


I realise I have some bias here, I myself come from a country where I
need a visa nearly everywhere I want to travel to, but I do think that
including visa fees by default will help making Debian easier to
contribute to for people who come from such countries, and ultimately
have a small role in helping us expand to more areas and improve our
diversity.


You mean global coverage.

I agree that it would help the project to have direct contacts to many
regions in the world.

Best,

Steffen

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If you added backlash you need to increase the STEPGEN_MAXACCEL up to double
the MAX_ACCELERATION in the AXIS section of the INI file for each axis you
added backlash to. LinuxCNC uses "extra acceleration" at a reversal to take up
the backlash. Without backlash correction, step generator acceleration can be
just a few percent above the motion planner acceleration.

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Bug#1012789: linucnc runtime prob with tiff is because of tiff

[Steffen Möller]

The problem is with the tiff library. On
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/1700 it is explained how to
install an earlier version from snapshot.debian.org

To trigger the problem independently from linuxcnc, try

$ wish
% package require Img

Bug#1012789: linucnc runtime prob with tiff is because of tiff

[Steffen Möller]

The problem is with the tiff library. On
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/1700 it is explained how to
install an earlier version from snapshot.debian.org

To trigger the problem independently from linuxcnc, try

$ wish
% package require Img

[Emc-developers] Bug#1012789: linucnc runtime prob with tiff is because of tiff

[Steffen Möller]

The problem is with the tiff library. On
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/1700 it is explained how to
install an earlier version from snapshot.debian.org

To trigger the problem independently from linuxcnc, try

$ wish
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If, during `spindle.N.orient` being true, and `spindle.N.is-oriented` not yet
asserted the `spindle.N.orient-fault` pin has a value other than zero, the M19
command is aborted, a message including the fault code is displayed, and the
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[Emc-developers] Bug#1012789: tk Img error while importing

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The same error is triggered from within Tcl/Tk. LinuxCNC I do not think
to be to blame.

$ wish
% package require Img
couldn't load file
"/usr/lib/tcltk/x86_64-linux-gnu/Img1.4.13/libtifftcl4.1.0.so":
/usr/lib/tcltk/x86_64-linux-gnu/Img1.4.13/libtifftcl4.1
.0.so: undefined symbol: _TIFFsetString, version LIBTIFF_4.0^

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Bug#1012789: tk Img error while importing

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The same error is triggered from within Tcl/Tk. LinuxCNC I do not think
to be to blame.

$ wish
% package require Img
couldn't load file
"/usr/lib/tcltk/x86_64-linux-gnu/Img1.4.13/libtifftcl4.1.0.so":
/usr/lib/tcltk/x86_64-linux-gnu/Img1.4.13/libtifftcl4.1
.0.so: undefined symbol: _TIFFsetString, version LIBTIFF_4.0^

Bug#1012789: tk Img error while importing

[Steffen Möller]

The same error is triggered from within Tcl/Tk. LinuxCNC I do not think
to be to blame.

$ wish
% package require Img
couldn't load file
"/usr/lib/tcltk/x86_64-linux-gnu/Img1.4.13/libtifftcl4.1.0.so":
/usr/lib/tcltk/x86_64-linux-gnu/Img1.4.13/libtifftcl4.1
.0.so: undefined symbol: _TIFFsetString, version LIBTIFF_4.0^

Re: [Emc-developers] Bug#1012789: linuxcnc-uspace: Linux CNC will not start

[Steffen Möller]

The problem was also reported on
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc/45634-current-master-2-9-building-debs-error
and I can confirm this locally. Above URL points to my changes to
debian/rules in https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/1700 that have
not yet been merged with master. I need to investigate. Help would be
appreciated.

On 15.06.22 00:13, Vector Hasting wrote:

Thank you for looking at this!

(My purpose reporting here is the understanding that we're trying to debug
to get sid into stable Bookworm with LinuxCNC, and I also want LinuxCNC
working on my little SBC.)

This is potentially helpful, but doesn't immediately clear things up for
me...

Here's what I did after getting this email:

I found the following libtiff packages on my SBC:
libtiff-dev  4.4.0-2
libtiff5 4.4.0-2
libtiffxx5  4.4.0-2

When I search the debian repository, it lists these as unstable (I presume
because we're on sid).
But it also lists them as the most recent releases, not the releases from
Buster (4.2.0-1).

Trying to follow the threads further, I went after the error message you
pointed out and saw it's trying to get:   libtifftcl4.1.0.so

I searched the debian repository and nothing by the name of libtiffcl4
exists:

"You have searched for packages that names contain libtifftcl in all
suites, all sections, and all architectures.
Sorry, your search gave no results"

Interestingly, the Sourceforge branches for tkImg does not have a *branch*
for 1.4 (which appears to be what the line above is looking for)
https://sourceforge.net/p/tkimg/code/HEAD/tree/branches/

But there *is* a version 1.4.13 under tags:
https://sourceforge.net/p/tkimg/code/HEAD/tree/tags/1.4.13/

I downloaded that 1.4.13 source and used MS Code to search the downloaded
source and found a piece of code compat/libtiff/libtiff/libtiff.map that
has the string " LIBTIFF_4.0" in it.

I found 8 files that have _TIFFsetString in it.

But I don't understand the compiling setup well enough to see how those
files get compiled to create an object named libtifftcl4.1.0.so  (??)

(there is no string in the source for libtifftcl4)

I'm happy to try and dig further, but I'm also at a stop point.

Vector Hasting



On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 at 07:31, andy pugh  wrote:


On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 at 14:49, Vector Hasting 
wrote:


_tkinter.TclError: couldn't load file

"/usr/lib/tcltk/aarch64-linux-gnu/Img1.4.13/libtifftcl4.1.0.so":
/usr/lib/tcltk/aarch64-linux-gnu/Img1.4.13/libtifftcl4.1.0.so: undefined
symbol: _TIFFsetString, version LIBTIFF_4.0

This looks to be a dependency (hard coded?) on the version of libtiff
that shipped with Buster (4.1).

But it also seems to be in a package that LinuxCNC depends on, but
doesn't control?
https://sourceforge.net/projects/tkimg/files/tkimg/1.4/tkimg%201.4.13/
(From the file path being searched)

For me, the trail dries up there. I guess this is due to a Tcl/Tk
dependency?

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Re: [Emc-developers] my clone repo is out of sync

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no changes added to commit

Short of blowing it away and re-cloning, is there a way to fix it?

git reset --hard


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Debian Stretch uses the Xfce desktop environment by default, with the lightDM
display manager lightDM. To get automatic login with Stretch:

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Stretch? The average user may not know what this means, I suggest to also
check against other versions of Debian, Buster in particular since the current
.iso depends on it.

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[Emc-developers] Protocol on Google Docs Re: LinuxCNC online meeting - 13th of June (next Monday) 20:00 CEST was: "doodle" to set time for a LinuxCNC online meeting

[Steffen Möller]

Dear all,

On
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aWMxBY8IbCYXFLFvjgqUXZ09inZp5u0r-pZcjeb2bWk/edit?usp=sharing
you find a protocol of our meeting. It is not complete, but good enough
that none of the participants wanted to change it much more - thanks go
to Silopolis and Hans for additions+feedback.

I do not mind if you guys start commenting on it. This would be a great
preparation for a next meeting, which will be orchestrated by Rene. We
are aiming at about 4-6 weeks from now.

Best,
Steffen

On 10.06.22 17:00, Steffen Möller wrote:

Dear all,

I waited a bit long, sorry for that. Numbers have not increased much,
but anyway it should be a fun time together. So, the upcoming Monday,
20:00 CEST I hope to find many of you on
https://jitsi.debian.social/LinuxCNC-up-up-and-away .

My idea is to address the most important bits first and after max two
hours we should stop talking and continue coding. I have yet no idea
what the most important topics are, so we would basically set our agenda
when we get together. We should also find someone to prepare a protocol
for the list. We likely have too many presentations in our day jobs
already but when you have diagrams or pictures for/of whatever you want
to talk about then this would be appreciated.

Best,
Steffen


On 01.06.22 19:57, Steffen Möller wrote:

Dear all,

a couple of weeks the folks who are working on the docs-devel branch of
LinuxCNC have synced online. This was a very nice ~2 hours we had
together and so we had decided to repeat that with a larger crowd. This
is an invitation to what basically is an open mike session. To find a
date, on

https://framadate.org/LinuxCNC-June-2022-online-meeting

please describe your preferences.

To give our meeting just a touch of a structure I kindly ask to send me
one or two lines of what you would like to talk about or would like to
hear others to talk about so I can prepare an agenda. Also, to support
an introductory round please send pictures of yours mills and lathes
that would I then daisy-chain in a presentation.

Best,
Steffen



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Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC documentation is now available on Weblate!

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On 11.06.22 22:38, Hans Unzner wrote:



Am 04.06.22 um 12:41 schrieb Greg C:

Additionally, I would like to suggest that whether or not the translated
documents are built or not should be controlled by a switch/option
when you
set the option to build for HTML, PDF, or BOTH.  There may be no need
for
most developers to build the translated docs 99% of the time.

This is now possible with |./configure ...
--disable-build-documentation-translation|


Maybe we should have this as the default until weblate has progressed a
bit more.

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[konqueror] [Bug 455144] New: The application that started konqueror was closed

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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=455144

Bug ID: 455144
   Summary: The application that started konqueror was closed
   Product: konqueror
   Version: 21.12.3
  Platform: Debian unstable
OS: Linux
Status: REPORTED
  Keywords: drkonqi
  Severity: crash
  Priority: NOR
 Component: general
  Assignee: konq-b...@kde.org
  Reporter: steffen_moel...@gmx.de
  Target Milestone: ---

Application: konqueror (21.12.3)

Qt Version: 5.15.2
Frameworks Version: 5.94.0
Operating System: Linux 5.17.0-2-amd64 x86_64
Windowing System: X11
Distribution: Debian GNU/Linux bookworm/sid
DrKonqi: 5.24.5 [KCrashBackend]

-- Information about the crash:
I had started konqueror from within the atom text editor. I remember closing
Atom. Not exactly sure why konqueror then suddenly terminated itself.

The reporter is unsure if this crash is reproducible.

-- Backtrace:
Application: Konqueror (konqueror), signal: Aborted

[KCrash Handler]
#4  __GI_raise (sig=sig@entry=6) at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/raise.c:49
#5  0x7f9255338546 in __GI_abort () at abort.c:79
#6  0x7f925538feb8 in __libc_message (action=action@entry=do_abort,
fmt=fmt@entry=0x7f92554ada78 "%s\n") at ../sysdeps/posix/libc_fatal.c:155
#7  0x7f925539791a in malloc_printerr (str=str@entry=0x7f92554ab74e
"free(): invalid pointer") at malloc.c:5628
#8  0x7f9255398cf4 in _int_free (av=, p=,
have_lock=0) at malloc.c:4398
#9  0x7f925539c9b4 in __GI___libc_free (mem=) at
malloc.c:3309
#10 0x7f924682ece6 in _mesa_delete_ati_fragment_shader
(ctx=ctx@entry=0x7f9244355010, s=0x5649053638b0) at
../src/mesa/main/atifragshader.c:83
#11 0x7f924682f4f1 in _mesa_delete_ati_fragment_shader
(ctx=ctx@entry=0x7f9244355010, s=) at
../src/mesa/main/atifragshader.c:79
#12 0x7f92467891c3 in free_shared_state (shared=,
ctx=) at ../src/mesa/main/shared.c:388
#13 _mesa_reference_shared_state (ctx=ctx@entry=0x7f9244355010,
ptr=ptr@entry=0x7f9244355010, state=state@entry=0x0) at
../src/mesa/main/shared.c:494
#14 0x7f9246695919 in _mesa_free_context_data
(ctx=ctx@entry=0x7f9244355010,
destroy_debug_output=destroy_debug_output@entry=false) at
../src/mesa/main/context.c:1170
#15 0x7f92465fe9bf in st_destroy_context (st=0x56490544f7e0) at
../src/mesa/state_tracker/st_context.c:992
#16 0x7f924653b44e in dri_destroy_context (cPriv=) at
../src/gallium/frontends/dri/dri_context.c:256
#17 0x7f9246534ae3 in driDestroyContext (pcp=0x564905342c30) at
../src/gallium/frontends/dri/dri_util.c:518
#18 0x7f924c474cff in  () at /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGLX_mesa.so.0
#19 0x7f924c4623e9 in  () at /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGLX_mesa.so.0
#20 0x7f924c4e4225 in  () at
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/xcbglintegrations/libqxcb-glx-integration.so
#21 0x7f925386d2fb in QOpenGLContext::destroy() () at
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Gui.so.5
#22 0x7f925386d577 in QOpenGLContext::~QOpenGLContext() () at
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Gui.so.5
#23 0x7f925386d589 in QOpenGLContext::~QOpenGLContext() () at
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Gui.so.5
#24 0x7f925381a9db in QGuiApplicationPrivate::~QGuiApplicationPrivate() ()
at /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Gui.so.5
#25 0x7f92540c7169 in QApplicationPrivate::~QApplicationPrivate() () at
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Widgets.so.5
#26 0x7f92555c7e46 in KonquerorApplication::~KonquerorApplication()
(this=0x7ffe1dc1a0e0, __in_chrg=) at ./src/konqapplication.h:15
#27 kdemain(int, char**) (argc=, argv=) at
./src/konqmain.cpp:305
#28 0x7f92553397fd in __libc_start_main (main=0x5649042d4050 ,
argc=2, argv=0x7ffe1dc1a268, init=, fini=,
rtld_fini=, stack_end=0x7ffe1dc1a258) at ../csu/libc-start.c:332
#29 0x5649042d408a in _start ()
[Inferior 1 (process 428521) detached]

Possible duplicates by query: bug 454747, bug 454571, bug 454228, bug 453774,
bug 453582.

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[Emc-developers] LinuxCNC online meeting - 13th of June (next Monday) 20:00 CEST was: "doodle" to set time for a LinuxCNC online meeting

[Steffen Möller]

Dear all,

I waited a bit long, sorry for that. Numbers have not increased much,
but anyway it should be a fun time together. So, the upcoming Monday,
20:00 CEST I hope to find many of you on
https://jitsi.debian.social/LinuxCNC-up-up-and-away .

My idea is to address the most important bits first and after max two
hours we should stop talking and continue coding. I have yet no idea
what the most important topics are, so we would basically set our agenda
when we get together. We should also find someone to prepare a protocol
for the list. We likely have too many presentations in our day jobs
already but when you have diagrams or pictures for/of whatever you want
to talk about then this would be appreciated.

Best,
Steffen


On 01.06.22 19:57, Steffen Möller wrote:

Dear all,

a couple of weeks the folks who are working on the docs-devel branch of
LinuxCNC have synced online. This was a very nice ~2 hours we had
together and so we had decided to repeat that with a larger crowd. This
is an invitation to what basically is an open mike session. To find a
date, on

https://framadate.org/LinuxCNC-June-2022-online-meeting

please describe your preferences.

To give our meeting just a touch of a structure I kindly ask to send me
one or two lines of what you would like to talk about or would like to
hear others to talk about so I can prepare an agenda. Also, to support
an introductory round please send pictures of yours mills and lathes
that would I then daisy-chain in a presentation.

Best,
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## Source string

This document describes how to build the LinuxCNC software and documentation
from source. This is primarily useful if you are a developer who is modifying
LinuxCNC. It can also be useful if you're a user who is testing developer
branches, though then you also have the option of just installing Debian
packages from the buildbot: http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org

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## Comment

Needs update to point to the distro's regular Debian package.

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G00 X Y Z rapid feed  
G01 X Y Z linear feed, e.g., G01 X10 Y20 Z30 F60 for 60 ipm  
G02 X Y Z I J clockwise circular feed (helical with Z)  
G03 X Y Z I J counterclockwise circular feed (helical with Z)  
G04 P<#> dwell # of seconds  
G10 L2 P<#> X Y Z set coordinates for system #1-9, 1 = G54, 9 = G59.3  
G17 XY plane circular interpolation  
G18 ZX plane circular interpolation  
G19 YZ plane circular interpolation  
G20 English units (inches)  
G21 metric units (millimeters)  
G40 cancel cutter compensation  
G41 D<#> cutter compensation for tool <#>, tool on left  
G42 D<#> cutter compensation for tool <#>, tool on right  
G43 H<#> use tool length offset for tool #, 0 = no offset  
G49 cancel tool length offset  
G53 turn any coordinate offsets off for this block  
G54 use coordinate offsets for system #1, from G10 L2 P1  
G55 "" for system #2, from G10 L2 P2  
G56 "" for system #3, from G10 L2 P3  
G57 "" for system #4, from G10 L2 P4  
G58 "" for system #5, from G10 L2 P5  
G59 "" for system #6, from G10 L2 P6  
G59.1 "" for system #7, G10 L2 P7  
G59.2 "" for system #8, G10 L2 P8  
G59.3 "" for system #9, G10 L2 P9  
G61 exact stop mode  
G64 cutting mode  
G76 threading canned cycle  
G80 cancel fixed (canned) cycle  
G81 drilling cycle, no dwell, rapid out  
G82 drilling cycle, dwell, rapid out  
G83 deep hole peck drilling cycle  
G84 tapping cycle  
G85 boring cycle, no dwell, feed out  
G86 boring cycle, spindle stop, rapid out  
G87 back boring cycle  
G88 boring cycle, spindle stop, manual out  
G89 boring cycle, with dwell, feed out  
G90 non-incremental programming (the usual)  
G91 incremental programming  
G93 inverse time feed mode  
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This should be a table.

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That you can run in the future to recreate the current configuration;

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Somehow po4a only showed a fraction of the sentence.

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On a run-in-place system (e.g. the one you just got out of git), the runscript
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you'll see there is no `scripts/linuxcnc`, just a `scripts/linuxcnc.in`. By
running `configure` that one will get changed to `scripts/linuxcnc`. +
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[Emc-developers] "doodle" to set time for a LinuxCNC online meeting

[Steffen Möller]

Dear all,

a couple of weeks the folks who are working on the docs-devel branch of
LinuxCNC have synced online. This was a very nice ~2 hours we had
together and so we had decided to repeat that with a larger crowd. This
is an invitation to what basically is an open mike session. To find a
date, on

https://framadate.org/LinuxCNC-June-2022-online-meeting

please describe your preferences.

To give our meeting just a touch of a structure I kindly ask to send me
one or two lines of what you would like to talk about or would like to
hear others to talk about so I can prepare an agenda. Also, to support
an introductory round please send pictures of yours mills and lathes
that would I then daisy-chain in a presentation.

Best,
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Re: Accepted ebook-tools 0.2.2-5 (source) into unstable

[Steffen Möller]

On 29.05.22 19:06, Aaron M. Ucko wrote:

Debian FTP Masters  writes:


* Make epub-utils conflict with ncbi-entrez-direct, as both ship the einfo
  executable & manpage.

I appreciate the thought, but ncbi-entrez-direct goes out of its way to
avoid any such conflict: it diverts epub-utils' instances of those
files, substituting a wrapper script that takes advantage of major
command-line syntax differences to determine which tool the user
presumably meant to run (and a manpage that notes the diversion).
AFAICT, this arrangement works fine; have you found otherwise?

FTR, there's a similar situation around efetch, where both executables
come from biology-related packages where a conflict would be more of a
problem: acedb-other and ncbi-entrez-direct (with the latter taking care
of deconflicting in the same fashion).


acedb-other shall step behind anything that is offered from the NCBI
realm, I suggest.

Many thanks!
Steffen

[Emc-developers] Fwd: DebConf22 bursary applications and call for papers are closing in less than 72 hours!

[Steffen Möller]

Should there be someone on this list who would like to talk about
LinuxCNC at the next DebConf - here is your chance. I was hoping for
Sebastian, Jeff and/or Andy to go for it, but time is a scarce resouce,
I know. Travel expenses I expect to be covered also for
not-yet-Debian-Developers.

Best,
Steffen

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in less than 72 hours!
Resent-Date:Thu, 28 Apr 2022 13:00:06 + (UTC)
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Date:   Thu, 28 Apr 2022 09:59:26 -0300
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To: debconf-annou...@lists.debian.org,
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Hi,

If you intend to apply for a DebConf22 bursary [1] and/or submit an event
proposal [2] and have not yet done so, please proceed as soon as possible!

[1] https://debconf22.debconf.org/about/bursaries [2]
https://debconf22.debconf.org/cfp

** Bursary applications for DebConf22 will be accepted until May 1st at
23:59
UTC. Applications submitted after this deadline will not be considered.

You can apply for a bursary when you register [3] for the conference.

[3] https://debconf22.debconf.org/register

Remember that giving a talk or organising an event is considered towards
your
bursary; if you have a submission to make, submit it even if it is only
sketched-out. You will be able to detail it later. DebCamp plans can be
entered
in the usual Sprints page at the Debian wiki [4].

[4] https://wiki.debian.org/Sprints

Please make sure to double-check your accommodation choices (dates and
venue).
Details about accommodation arrangements can be found on the
accommodation page
[5].

[5] https://debconf22.debconf.org/about/accommodation

** Event proposals will be accepted until May 1st at 23:59 UTC too.

Events are not limited to traditional presentations or informal sessions
(BoFs):
we welcome submissions of tutorials, performances, art installations,
debates,
or any other format of event that you think would be of interest to the
Debian
community.

Regular sessions may either be 20 or 45 minutes long (including time for
questions), other kinds of sessions (workshops, demos, lightning talks,
and so
on) could have different durations. Please choose the most suitable duration
for your event and explain any special requests. You can submit it here [6].

[6] https://debconf22.debconf.org/talks/new).

The the 23rd edition of DebConf [7] will take place from July 17th to 24th,
2022 at the Innovation and Training Park (ITP) [8] in Prizren, Kosovo,
and will
be preceded by DebCamp, from July 10th to 16th.

See you in Prizren [9]!

[7] https://www.debconf.org
[8] https://itp-prizren.com
[9] https://debconf22.debconf.org/about/prizren

--
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Belo Horizonte - Brasil
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Re: [Emc-developers] issue in gmoccapy for lathe

[Steffen Möller]

On 27.04.22 22:18, Feral Engineer wrote:

I haven't quite figured out how to do that yet :\


The issue of an issue? It is like a blog post.

a) You get an account on github.com

b) Go to the LinuxCNC project page https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc

c) Click on "Issues"

d) Click on "New Issue"

e) Edit the title and the main text as you see fit

f) Click on "Submit New Issue"

Best,
Steffen




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On Wed, Apr 27, 2022, 3:58 PM Hans Unzner  wrote:



Am 26.04.22 um 23:34 schrieb Feral Engineer:

That fixed it. Thank you!

I put up a post on the forum with a couple of extra minor issues i found

as

well. Just nuisance things.

Yes I noticed that.

The one that stands out is that the
preview dro and tool path scale defaults to metric, even in inch mode.

Need

to command g21 then g20 for it to be inch



Can you please create an issue on GitHub for those? Thanks!

/Hans


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Re: Is there room for improvement in our collaboration model?

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On 15.04.22 15:53, M. Zhou wrote:

On Fri, 2022-04-15 at 14:24 +0200, Luca Boccassi wrote:

I think this will also improve newcomer's contributing experience.
This proposal is also filed at
https://salsa.debian.org/debian/grow-your-ideas/-/issues/34

What about doing something even simpler - rather than having additional
generic/core tags/teams/groups, for packages where one wants to say
"please help yourself/ourselves", simply set the Maintainer field to
debian-devel@lists.debian.org, have the Salsa repository in the debian/
namespace, and that's it? From thereon, anyone can do team-uploads by
pushing to salsa and uploading directly, no need for
acks/delays/permissions/requests.


A simpler solution sounds good to me, except that change would be
somewhat "permanent" in stating the original maintainer's preference.
I forgot to mention in my original post that the tags can optionally
expire.

So, things like, `tag all my packages as "feel free to nmu" within
the next two weeks` would be trackable.

The only extra request from my side would be for salsa-maintained
packages to havet the NMU not bypassing the version management.

Steffen

Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality

[Steffen Möller]

On 13.04.22 17:29, Steffen Möller wrote:


On 13.04.22 17:01, Sandro Tosi wrote:

While I see no problem with the services of Debian to turn carbon
neutral, Debian should think of ways not to end here. What else
could we do?

please do not transform Debian in an activist project (i wont comment
on the carbon neutrality proposal). Debian has one goal: provide a
universal operating system. this is where it starts and this is where
it ends, and that's all the "else" that we can do.

You have a point. And I can agree that Debian should not do anything
that is not part of being an universal operating system.

I have seen more heated (pun intended) discussions on Debian's lists
than this one.

You're free to support all your passions, missions and projects
OUTSIDE of Debian. The Debian project is not your echo chamber for
your activism.


Let me rephrase this. What else can a universal operating system do for
climate neutrality?


Was hoping for some external input. To mind come:
 * monitoring systems (I know of a provider of professional wind
turbine monitoring systems that reside on the wind turbines and run Debian)
 * billing systems for community-organised shared resources

I presume that most software tools that ship with inverters, power walls
etc are just accessible via some web interface. Nothing too much for us
to do, I presume. But whenever there is an Open API etc we could
possible point to such a Debian-compatibility.

Cheers,

Steffen

Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality

[Steffen Möller]

On 13.04.22 17:01, Sandro Tosi wrote:

While I see no problem with the services of Debian to turn carbon
neutral, Debian should think of ways not to end here. What else could we do?

please do not transform Debian in an activist project (i wont comment
on the carbon neutrality proposal). Debian has one goal: provide a
universal operating system. this is where it starts and this is where
it ends, and that's all the "else" that we can do.

You have a point. And I can agree that Debian should not do anything
that is not part of being an universal operating system.

You're free to support all your passions, missions and projects
OUTSIDE of Debian. The Debian project is not your echo chamber for
your activism.


Let me rephrase this. What else can a universal operating system do for
climate neutrality?

Steffen

Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality

[Steffen Möller]

The idea is good.

There is Debian as an organisation that could immediately shift activity
towards renewable resources. There are carbon neutral compute centers.
And there is something close to carbon neutral travel if investing extra
money in these tree planing institutions.

An interesting reference is IKEA
(https://www.triplepundit.com/story/2021/ikea-renewable-energy/718146),
producing more solar energy than it uses.

While I see no problem with the services of Debian to turn carbon
neutral, Debian should think of ways not to end here. What else could we do?

Steffen

Re: Sponsoring Ukranian i18n work

[Steffen Möller]

I suggest you just contact your local city council if you can hang up a
job advert where they register as refugees. That said, maybe you find
some sponsors for some IT training and the refurbishing of some spare
laptops ... hm .. saying that .. I should possibly make a move myself.

On 09.04.22 11:31, Free unofficial Italian translation - FUIT wrote:

Dear Mike,
thank you for your initiative in favor of Ukraine.

In order to protect the privacy of Ukrainians you could also send your
project to communities such as Tails, Tor, Parrot and embassies. The
latter have excellent contacts both with the Ukrainian community
around the world and universities.

Good Luck.

Antonio Bonaccorso

-- Forwarded message -
From: *Mike Gabriel*
Date: sab 9 apr 2022, 01:28


Hi all,

via my company Fre(i)e Software GmbH [1], I would like to sponsor
Ukranian i18n work.

If you know anyone who is good in English and fluent in Ukranian,
please forward this proposal to them. The person must be open to using
tools like Weblate, Transifex and possibly also poedit (for
translating debconf templates).

If you know anyone eligible and forward this mail to them, please also
be available for presenting a short reference for that person. Thanks.

The starting budget will be equivalent to a German Mini Job (450,-EUR
per month for the employee). The translator candidate should be
(temporarily) resident in Germany and must have a work permit for
Germany.

Once somone has been found for this position, we will announce this in
greater public and see if more funding can be scraped together.

(Make sure to reply to my address, I am not subscribed to the
debian-ukrainian mailing list.)

Greets,
Mike (aka sunweaver)

[1] https://freiesoftware.gmbh
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Re: [Emc-developers] Quick update on the status of the Debian package

[Steffen Möller]

On 07.04.22 16:26, andy pugh wrote:

On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 at 15:07, Steffen Möller  wrote:

  LinuxCNC built for 14 different platforms
(https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=linuxcnc) and while RISC
V likely has everyone's attention, IBM's big iron s390x seems less
interesting for us.

Is that really saying that we can run LinuxCNC on a Motorola 68k in a
classic Mac?
(What I am really asking about here is the realtime kernel dependency part)


I am a bit rusty here but a memory management unit is required which is
only available starting with the 68030? Or the 68020 with an extra chip?
Yip
https://www.macworld.com/article/220967/how-to-install-linux-on-a-vintage-68k-mac.html

The M68k has a name for realtime computing but I have no idea about how
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[Emc-developers] Quick update on the status of the Debian package

[Steffen Möller]

Hello,

I have mentioned this on Rod's github issue on his package woes
(https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/1692) but some more of you
may want to to have a look. The LinuxCNC Debian packaging needed to
adapt to the partial builds (documentation is only built once, not for
all of Debian's platforms) of the Debian autobuilders but now it is
fine. LinuxCNC built for 14 different platforms
(https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=linuxcnc) and while RISC
V likely has everyone's attention, IBM's big iron s390x seems less
interesting for us.

If nothing happens then the package is expected to migrate to testing
within the next 5 days. The "package tracker" on
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/linuxcnc gives a good overview. If it is
easy for you then some feedback would be nice. For me, this is just some
technical exercise, still. Please do not use this version in production.

Best,
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Freexian-funding for what keeps nagging us?

[Steffen Möller]

Hello,

I just learned about

https://freexian-team.pages.debian.net/project-funding/

and to mind came our difficulties with scala (the Java functional
programming flavor). This may be of sufficient interest for Debian at
large to get bootstrapped, I think.

Other ideas?

Best,
Steffen

Re: [Emc-developers] Plan for 2.9 release

[Steffen Möller]

On 01.04.22 19:51, gene heskett wrote:

On Friday, 1 April 2022 13:19:55 EDT Steffen Möller wrote:

On 01.04.22 19:16, gene heskett wrote:

I'm getting sorta familiar with OpenSCAD, but I'm feeding a 3d
printer

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/openscad

available


As I wrote, thats very old, much slower code than the current AppImage,
which you can get if you scroll to the bottom of the lengthy download
page. Runs perfect on bullseye on a wintel box.

Right. These are the current development versions. They also offer an
installation as a .deb from their "nightlies" repository

http://openscad.org/downloads.html#linux

Best,
Steffen


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Re: [Emc-developers] Plan for 2.9 release

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On 01.04.22 19:16, gene heskett wrote:

I'm getting sorta familiar with OpenSCAD, but I'm feeding a 3d printer


https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/openscad

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Re: [Emc-developers] Plan for 2.9 release

[Steffen Möller]

Ah, famous SebKuminsky is behind it on
https://github.com/SebKuzminsky/pycam/releases - that makes it two. I
just saw that someone Petter already sent in patches who is a Debian
Developer - @petter, I made the lighthearted promise to package CAM to
augment the CNC infrastructure of Debian. Can I leave this one for you
and I then take the next library/tool that comes up?

On 01.04.22 17:58, Hans Unzner wrote:

At least for pycam there is already a comprehensive documentation:
http://pycam.sourceforge.net/

Am 01.04.22 um 17:04 schrieb Steffen Möller:


On 01.04.22 16:59, Hans Unzner wrote:

Regarding the CAM software:
It feels for me a bit like everyone is building/having their own CAM
tool.
Just to mention a few that comes into my mind: NativeCAM, PyCam,
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/31-cad-cam/45456-simple-linux-cam?start=0
I haven't worked with them so I don't know the strengths of these
tools.
But wouldn't it be nice to concentrate the energy on building one that
covers all? And this could be the "official LinuxCNC CAM" that is
shipped with LinuxCNC according to Steffens vision...


How about this: If two people on this list are supporting a particular
Open Source CAM tool and volunteer to write a section for our
documentation (any language would do) on how to use it with LinuxCNC,
then I package it for Debian.

Best,
Steffen



Am 01.04.22 um 12:11 schrieb Steffen Möller:

Hi again,

To me, the .iso is a show room, and that may be worthwhile to extend
beyond the core functionality of LinuxCNC. I am too fresh into this to
design this myself, read: I would benefit from such a compilation,
too.

On https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/1691 Jérémie mentioned
that
the user experience gets initial hits from a non-graphical network
setup. I have not tried the .iso myself, no idea, but no doubt
something
can be done to help our users at every level.

From my side missing is a bit of CAD and CAM to complete the workflows
that our users go through. I am using FreeCAD on an RPi4 (2GB) on a
large monitor (>30") and it is just working fine - a bit to my
surprise.
So, once LinuxCNC is installable to Raspbian, not too much more there
will be to do for us on that platform. We could come up with a
"linuxcnc-environment" package that drags everything in that we
like to
be shipping. For Intel/AMD platforms, there is http://www.knoppix.org/
that may be worthwhile to investigate as a basis for a LinuxCNC stick
which then also features the linuxcnc-environment binary and its
dependencies.

Best,
Steffen


On 01.04.22 09:59, Rod Webster wrote:


Jérémie, Phil,

The RIP build process is clearly explained in the documentation
including
how to list the required dependencies,
If you want a shortcut, I would follow this recipe:
https://www.qtpyvcp.com/install/bullseye.html
Note its not necessary to run linuxcnc as RIP if you compile the
source.
You can build the .debs and install them.

I was told you can install the bullseye ISO and build linuxcnc into
a VPS
in about 20 minutes.

Rod Webster
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 at 16:52, Jérémie Tarot 
wrote:


Le jeu. 31 mars 2022 à 23:36, Feral Engineer

a
écrit :


I'd also like to just point out that all of your hard work and
effort is
currently getting channelled into the young minds at my local vo
tech.


That's gold Phil! Having LinuxCNC brought to schools is priceless



once I figure out how to configure a RIP build 
Should have desk and hopefully dedicated linuxcnc pc installed
today. Let's
share the journey mate 

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Re: [Emc-developers] Plan for 2.9 release

[Steffen Möller]

On 01.04.22 16:59, Hans Unzner wrote:

Regarding the CAM software:
It feels for me a bit like everyone is building/having their own CAM
tool.
Just to mention a few that comes into my mind: NativeCAM, PyCam,
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/31-cad-cam/45456-simple-linux-cam?start=0
I haven't worked with them so I don't know the strengths of these tools.
But wouldn't it be nice to concentrate the energy on building one that
covers all? And this could be the "official LinuxCNC CAM" that is
shipped with LinuxCNC according to Steffens vision...


How about this: If two people on this list are supporting a particular
Open Source CAM tool and volunteer to write a section for our
documentation (any language would do) on how to use it with LinuxCNC,
then I package it for Debian.

Best,
Steffen



Am 01.04.22 um 12:11 schrieb Steffen Möller:

Hi again,

To me, the .iso is a show room, and that may be worthwhile to extend
beyond the core functionality of LinuxCNC. I am too fresh into this to
design this myself, read: I would benefit from such a compilation, too.

On https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/1691 Jérémie mentioned that
the user experience gets initial hits from a non-graphical network
setup. I have not tried the .iso myself, no idea, but no doubt something
can be done to help our users at every level.

From my side missing is a bit of CAD and CAM to complete the workflows
that our users go through. I am using FreeCAD on an RPi4 (2GB) on a
large monitor (>30") and it is just working fine - a bit to my surprise.
So, once LinuxCNC is installable to Raspbian, not too much more there
will be to do for us on that platform. We could come up with a
"linuxcnc-environment" package that drags everything in that we like to
be shipping. For Intel/AMD platforms, there is http://www.knoppix.org/
that may be worthwhile to investigate as a basis for a LinuxCNC stick
which then also features the linuxcnc-environment binary and its
dependencies.

Best,
Steffen


On 01.04.22 09:59, Rod Webster wrote:


Jérémie, Phil,

The RIP build process is clearly explained in the documentation
including
how to list the required dependencies,
If you want a shortcut, I would follow this recipe:
https://www.qtpyvcp.com/install/bullseye.html
Note its not necessary to run linuxcnc as RIP if you compile the
source.
You can build the .debs and install them.

I was told you can install the bullseye ISO and build linuxcnc into
a VPS
in about 20 minutes.

Rod Webster
*1300 896 832*
+61 435 765 611
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 at 16:52, Jérémie Tarot  wrote:


Le jeu. 31 mars 2022 à 23:36, Feral Engineer

a
écrit :


I'd also like to just point out that all of your hard work and
effort is
currently getting channelled into the young minds at my local vo
tech.


That's gold Phil! Having LinuxCNC brought to schools is priceless 


once I figure out how to configure a RIP build 
Should have desk and hopefully dedicated linuxcnc pc installed
today. Let's
share the journey mate 

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Re: [Emc-developers] Plan for 2.9 release

[Steffen Möller]

Hi again,

To me, the .iso is a show room, and that may be worthwhile to extend
beyond the core functionality of LinuxCNC. I am too fresh into this to
design this myself, read: I would benefit from such a compilation, too.

On https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/1691 Jérémie mentioned that
the user experience gets initial hits from a non-graphical network
setup. I have not tried the .iso myself, no idea, but no doubt something
can be done to help our users at every level.

From my side missing is a bit of CAD and CAM to complete the workflows
that our users go through. I am using FreeCAD on an RPi4 (2GB) on a
large monitor (>30") and it is just working fine - a bit to my surprise.
So, once LinuxCNC is installable to Raspbian, not too much more there
will be to do for us on that platform. We could come up with a
"linuxcnc-environment" package that drags everything in that we like to
be shipping. For Intel/AMD platforms, there is http://www.knoppix.org/
that may be worthwhile to investigate as a basis for a LinuxCNC stick
which then also features the linuxcnc-environment binary and its
dependencies.

Best,
Steffen


On 01.04.22 09:59, Rod Webster wrote:


Jérémie, Phil,

The RIP build process is clearly explained in the documentation including
how to list the required dependencies,
If you want a shortcut, I would follow this recipe:
https://www.qtpyvcp.com/install/bullseye.html
Note its not necessary to run linuxcnc as RIP if you compile the source.
You can build the .debs and install them.

I was told you can install the bullseye ISO and build linuxcnc into a VPS
in about 20 minutes.

Rod Webster
*1300 896 832*
+61 435 765 611
Vehicle Modifications Network
www.vehiclemods.net.au


On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 at 16:52, Jérémie Tarot  wrote:


Le jeu. 31 mars 2022 à 23:36, Feral Engineer 
a
écrit :


I'd also like to just point out that all of your hard work and effort is
currently getting channelled into the young minds at my local vo tech.


That's gold Phil! Having LinuxCNC brought to schools is priceless 


once I figure out how to configure a RIP build 
Should have desk and hopefully dedicated linuxcnc pc installed today. Let's
share the journey mate 

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Re: [Emc-developers] Plan for 2.9 release

[Steffen Möller]

Rod,

On 01.04.22 10:06, Rod Webster wrote:

I can't wait until it gets to Bookworm. I keep checking


It is on me. What the Debian FTPmasters have checked was my initial
build. Now, upon acceptance and with every subsequent update, they want
just the source tarball reuploaded to autobuild themselves. And only
once that happened, we will see the migration to other architectures and
to testing.

At the moment it is only Petter and me who we have the upload privileges
since we are Debian Developers already. Seb, Andy and Jeff will get them
as soon as we all find the time to get GPG-keys signed, it is a bit
tricky since typically this needs personal contacts that do not happen
too much these days. In the interim I happily continue the braindead
parts of maintaining the LinuxCNC package but cannot decide about what
versions are ready to be uploaded for a wider distribution. After all,
LinuxCNC can be deadly.

So, some clear signal would help, like the tagging of another
pre-release (pre1 that is).

Best,
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Re: [Emc-developers] Plan for 2.9 release

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On 01.04.22 02:48, gene heskett wrote:

On Thursday, 31 March 2022 20:23:46 EDT Rod Webster wrote:

I am not so sure about that, the ISO is useful to "try before you buy"
without committing to wiping the existing OS on the PC.

I wondered how relevant using an ISO to try before buy was with
VirtuaBox and VMware Player allowing virtual machines.
I thought I'd be smart and see how long it took to install Debian onto
VMware Player. It took 4 minutes to find and install VMNWare player and
8.5 minutes to install the Bullseye.iso and be at the command prompt

I then upgraded to unstable (sid) to time an installation Linuxcnc.
This ended badly with broken dependencies:
Depends: python3 (< 3.10) but 3.10.4-1 is to be installed

Python versions in Debian versions are shown here:
https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default=all=any
earchon=names=python3 So until  Linuxcnc-uspace migrates from
Sid (unstable) to Bookworm (testing), all the hard work on getting it
into Debian has been wasted. Unless we change the dependencies to
allow Python3 > 3.9


Which is what I've been saying since a few days after bullseye was
released with pyhon-3.9.2. So I can't build it on raspios bullseye from
git.


In Debian unstable, the default Python was just upgraded to 3.10, so the
discrepancy between the max version available (3.10) and the default
python (previously 3.9) is gone and the package compiles out of the box.

The package I uploaded to Debian has a tiny patch that disables the
search for 3.10, this one:

--- a/src/m4/ax_python.m4
+++ b/src/m4/ax_python.m4
@@ -55,7 +55,7 @@
AC_DEFUN([AX_PYTHON],
[AC_MSG_CHECKING(for python build information)
AC_MSG_RESULT([])
-for python in python3.10 python3.9 python3.8 python3.7 python3.6
python3.5 python3.4 python3.3 python3.2 python3.1 python3.0 python2.7
python2.6 python2.5 python2.4 p
ython2.3 python2.2 python2.1 python; do
+for python in python3.9 python3.8 python3.7 python3.6 python3.5
python3.4 python3.3 python3.2 python3.1 python3.0 python2.7 python2.6
python2.5 python2.4 python2.3 py
thon2.2 python2.1 python; do
AC_CHECK_PROGS(PYTHON_BIN, [$python])
ax_python_bin=$PYTHON_BIN
if test x$ax_python_bin != x; then

It will take a while until the backports reach bullseye - bookworm is
first. Would you give it another try?

Best,
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Re: pigx-rnaseq now depends on megadepth

[Steffen Möller]

Hello,

I just also prepared

https://salsa.debian.org/med-team/megadepth

Comments and/or upload would be lovely.

Many thanks and regards,
Steffen

On 31.03.22 15:35, Steffen Möller wrote:

I was not aware of megadepth - but that is why to pick some experts'
workflow system in the first place as a reference.

https://salsa.debian.org/r-pkg-team/r-bioc-megadepth

needs

https://salsa.debian.org/r-pkg-team/r-cran-cmdfun

and I am still working on the megadepth binary that is wrapped. So, for
the moment this needs to be installed independently. I suggest to
nonetheless upload the package already.

I would love to see the package(s) reviewed.

Many thanks

Steffen

pigx-rnaseq now depends on megadepth

[Steffen Möller]

I was not aware of megadepth - but that is why to pick some experts'
workflow system in the first place as a reference.

https://salsa.debian.org/r-pkg-team/r-bioc-megadepth

needs

https://salsa.debian.org/r-pkg-team/r-cran-cmdfun

and I am still working on the megadepth binary that is wrapped. So, for
the moment this needs to be installed independently. I suggest to
nonetheless upload the package already.

I would love to see the package(s) reviewed.

Many thanks

Steffen

Re: Upgrading biojava-live from 1.7 to 1.9

[Steffen Möller]

On 28.03.22 17:15, Andreas Tille wrote:

Am Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 04:42:15PM +0200 schrieb olivier sallou:

...
that's fine for me

Thanks a lot for this effort


Many thanks - brings some memories back!

Steffen

RFreview: Another R time series tool - Mfuzz

[Steffen Möller]

Hello,

https://www.bioconductor.org/packages/release/bioc/vignettes/Mfuzz/inst/doc/Mfuzz.pdf

is what I am after and this needs

r-bioc-widgettools
https://salsa.debian.org/r-pkg-team/r-bioc-widgettools

r-bioc-dyndoc
https://salsa.debian.org/r-pkg-team/r-bioc-dyndoc

r-bioc-tkwidgets
https://salsa.debian.org/r-pkg-team/r-bioc-tkwidgets

and r-bioc-mfuzz itself
https://salsa.debian.org/r-pkg-team/r-bioc-mfuzz

Reviews and uploads would be appreciated.

Many thanks and regards,
Steffen

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] q2-composition - removed vega* from source tree

[Steffen Möller]

[moved from the med packaging list to pkg-javascript-devel, not sure if
I am a member, will find out, please CC me, just in case]

Hi Nilesh,

On 24.03.22 22:29, Nilesh Patra wrote:

On 25 March 2022 12:48:33 am IST, "Steffen Möller"  
wrote:

I am tempted to upload the package as it is. It is apparently version 4
of Vega that is expected, not version 5 that just entered the archive
(many, many thanks!!)


Now writing to this list, I should repeat to express my gratitude for
you having addressed this. As a quick executive summary of the context:
The upstream source tree is on https://github.com/qiime2/q2-composition/
with their vega-redistribution in
https://github.com/qiime2/q2-composition/tree/master/q2_composition/assets/ancom/js
:

vega-embed.min.js
vega.min.js

and this was added four years ago.

The qiime2 packages are about identifying bacteria and yeasts that live
on us and in us and to learn about how this changes when we get sick,
when we change the diet, when we get older, ... you guess it. Also in
agriculture, it tells how the soil's bacteria change when salts change,
temperature change, pesticides are applied, ... you get the picture.


and they are apparently using
https://github.com/vega/vega-embed which we yet do not have. However,
those embedded vega files will affect the presentation of the results
but not the results themselves and as such this package is already
useful. I propose to craft a bug report early about the package to
prevent its migration to testing and talk to upstream about.

If the package is useful, I don't see much of a problem if it migrated to 
testing.

It is somewhat tough to promote our qiime2 packaging to end users if
they cannot be sure that they get the full reports. So, useful, I am
confident, yes. But you lose that extra confidence in the software that
should come with using a Debian package of it. This is why I would not
want the package to migrate early but we could get it in and have the
FTPmasters check it already.

But I agree that it makes sense to contact upstream to ask if they would 
include vega-embed in the monorepo as well.

Or one work around (meanwhile to buy time) could be to include vega-embed 
inside say, debian/resources

And do something like:

execute_before_dh_auto_configure:
 cp -a debian/resources $(CURDIR)/packages

I would not mind in the sense that it gives some confidence that our
package will behave exactly how upstream wants it to behave. On the
other hand, this is not how progress works. If we would find it
technically feasible to help qiime2 to update their code (does not look
like much) to become compatible with the latest version then we should
do that.

And so this would help get vega-embed as well.
Or in the worst case scenario, we could package node-vega-embed as a different 
source package.


Since Vega is used by several qiime packages now, this seems like a good
idea, except for that version problem that I interpreted from what I
read in the sources. Now, the qiime packages would likely benefit from a
transition to a later version of the vega JS, if my interpretation was
correct in the first place and I am not confused over vega-embed, and
whoever finds the time may find it rewarding to sync with upstream about it.


https://salsa.debian.org/med-team/q2-composition

What do you think?

Let me know what you think, and also, this conversation should not be happening 
in the -med@ mailing list.

Please consider sending query about this to the pkg-javascript-devel mailing 
list instead, since there are people who are specifically involved with JS 
stuff; even the vega.js maintainer would be easy to reach out.


"Hello!" - and many thanks again

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q2-composition - removed vega* from source tree

[Steffen Möller]

Hello,

I am tempted to upload the package as it is. It is apparently version 4
of Vega that is expected, not version 5 that just entered the archive
(many, many thanks!!) and they are apparently using
https://github.com/vega/vega-embed which we yet do not have. However, 
those embedded vega files will affect the presentation of the results
but not the results themselves and as such this package is already
useful. I propose to craft a bug report early about the package to
prevent its migration to testing and talk to upstream about.

https://salsa.debian.org/med-team/q2-composition

What do you think?

Best,
Steffen

Request for peer review (and upload) of r-bioc-tmixclust and two dependencies

[Steffen Möller]

Hello,

This is all about analysing time-series of gene expression data. I just
packed

https://www.bioconductor.org/packages/devel/bioc/vignettes/TMixClust/inst/doc/TMixClust.pdf


(on https://salsa.debian.org/r-pkg-team/r-bioc-tmixclust)

and its dependencies that Debian did not yet offer
(https://salsa.debian.org/r-pkg-team/r-bioc-spem and
https://salsa.debian.org/r-pkg-team/r-cran-flexclust).

Please kindly have a look that I have not missed anything dramatic. An
upload would be appreciated, alternatively a quick note that everything
is ready to go.

Many thanks

Steffen

Re: [Emc-developers] Fix for Groff subsection in HTML

[Steffen Möller]

On 22.03.22 02:35, andy pugh wrote:

On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 at 08:51, Hans Unzner  wrote:


What do you think and who can do that?

Seb has control of the buildbot. And it looks like a local fix is needed?


It may be worthwhile to contact the Debian maintainer of groff about the
possibility to update to a snapshot of groff in debian/unstable.

@hansu, apt-cache show groff | grep ^Maintainer tells who this is.

Best,
Steffen

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Re: [Emc-developers] Fwd: Bits from the Release Team: bookworm freeze dates (preliminary)

[Steffen Möller]

Thinking about it - this does not make any sense, really. Most likely
the year is wrong - sorry. I'll send an update.

On 14.03.22 22:27, Steffen Möller wrote:


Later this month, Debian starts freezing packages for the next release.
We are not a key package and have autotests, still, whatever we want in
Debian when bookworm turns stable we better start thinking about.

Best,
Steffen


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Dear all,

We are currently considering the following dates as our freeze
dates. If you are aware of major clashes of these dates with anything
we depend on please let us know. We also like to stress again that we
really would like to have a short Hard and Full Freeze (counting in
weeks, rather than months), so please plan accordingly. If serious
delays turn up during any of the Freeze steps, we rather (partially or
completely) thaw bookworm again than staying frozen for a long time.

2022-01-12 - Milestone 1 - Transition and toolchain freeze
2022-02-12 - Milestone 2 - Soft Freeze
2022-03-12 - Milestone 3 - Hard Freeze - for key packages and
packages without autopkgtests
To be announced - Milestone 4 - Full Freeze

On behalf of the Release Team,
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[Emc-developers] Fwd: Bits from the Release Team: bookworm freeze dates (preliminary)

[Steffen Möller]

Later this month, Debian starts freezing packages for the next release.
We are not a key package and have autotests, still, whatever we want in
Debian when bookworm turns stable we better start thinking about.

Best,
Steffen


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Date:     Mon, 14 Mar 2022 21:36:11 +0100
From:     Paul Gevers 
To:     Debian Devel Announce 



Dear all,

We are currently considering the following dates as our freeze
dates. If you are aware of major clashes of these dates with anything
we depend on please let us know. We also like to stress again that we
really would like to have a short Hard and Full Freeze (counting in
weeks, rather than months), so please plan accordingly. If serious
delays turn up during any of the Freeze steps, we rather (partially or
completely) thaw bookworm again than staying frozen for a long time.

2022-01-12 - Milestone 1 - Transition and toolchain freeze
2022-02-12 - Milestone 2 - Soft Freeze
2022-03-12 - Milestone 3 - Hard Freeze - for key packages and
packages without autopkgtests
To be announced - Milestone 4 - Full Freeze

On behalf of the Release Team,
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freecad - python autotests fail on arm+powerpc

[Steffen Möller]

Hello, following https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/freecad to
https://ci.debian.net/data/autopkgtest/testing/armhf/f/freecad/19724334/log.gz
I just don't grasp

test_issue_4456 (parttests.regression_tests.RegressionTests)
0004456: Regression : Part.Plane.Intersect do not accept plane as argument ... 
ok

==
ERROR: testSchemeTranslation (UnitTests.UnitBasicCases)
--
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/share/freecad/Mod/Test/UnitTests.py", line 126, in 
testSchemeTranslation
q2 = FreeCAD.Units.Quantity(t[0])
ValueError: syntax error

During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/share/freecad/Mod/Test/UnitTests.py", line 131, in 
testSchemeTranslation
print (u" ".join(e).encode("utf-8").strip())
TypeError: can only join an iterable


If someone could help out with a patch this would be fantastic.

Many thanks!

Steffen

Re: [Emc-developers] EtherCAT - would not be a prob with free membership in EtherCAT Technology Group Re: LinuxCNC is in Debian!

[Steffen Möller]

Rod,

I wish some of our LinuxCNC Gurus would know some of the ROS Gurus and
jointly meditate over this. We should possibly not discuss this too much
as a sole CNC/robotics problem. This tech is useful whenever you need to
synchronize something between multiple machines/devices.

I truly don't know what we should be doing as a community. Anyone close
to ROS?

Best,
Steffen


On 03.03.22 20:55, Rod Webster wrote:

Steffen

You have done some amazing work and we now know what we are dealing with
rather than just guessing as we've done before.

I think its not about the last 20 years but about the next 20. I think we
will see an increasing number of ethercat capable devices in use as more
vendors adopt the technology.
There are also an increasing number of linuxcnc users using the software on
commercial projects and retrofits of commercial machines.

ROS appear to be simply embedding the SOEM in a sub folder in their
ethercat master wrapper based on an article they link to in the readme. I
guess they can do this under  the GPL.

Any restrictions appear to be placed on users of the technology, not the
software developer. Linuxcnc does not use software, our members do. This is
an important distinction.
I think this allows Linuxcnc to treat the proposed driver as being GPL'd at
a distribution level like ROS has.

Now we know of the SOEM's existence, it would be preferable to use it over
the IgH ethercat master if it's compatible with our architecture. It's a
much tighter integration then.

It's clear that membership is not required. I can't see any impediment to
building a separate repository like has been done with mesaflash that
embeds the SOEM like ROS has done. If the rules change, it will be simple
to excise the orphaned child or just remove the SOEM subfolder.


Rod Webster
*1300 896 832*
+61 435 765 611
Vehicle Modifications Network
www.vehiclemods.net.au


On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 at 02:22, Steffen Möller  wrote:


Hi Marc,

yes, something like http://wiki.ros.org/soem ? I have not followed that
up.

Best,
Steffen

On 03.03.22 16:54, Marc Wang wrote:

Hi Steffen,

By ROS, are you referring to Robotic Operating System (

https://www.ros.org/)?


Regards,
Marc


From: andy pugh 
Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 10:49 AM
To: EMC developers 
Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] EtherCAT - would not be a prob with free

membership in EtherCAT Technology Group Re: LinuxCNC is in Debian!

On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 at 15:14, Steffen Möller 

wrote:

But he took the freedom to point out that there are others who
are already shipping EtherCAT drivers and have not experienced any legal
problem at all - he just cannot make any promises of any sorts about the
future

There is quite a gap between "we don't plan to turn evil" and "we
promise not to turn evil"

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Re: [Emc-developers] EtherCAT - would not be a prob with free membership in EtherCAT Technology Group Re: LinuxCNC is in Debian!

[Steffen Möller]

Hi Marc,

yes, something like http://wiki.ros.org/soem ? I have not followed that up.

Best,
Steffen

On 03.03.22 16:54, Marc Wang wrote:

Hi Steffen,

By ROS, are you referring to Robotic Operating System (https://www.ros.org/)?


Regards,
Marc


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Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 10:49 AM
To: EMC developers 
Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] EtherCAT - would not be a prob with free 
membership in EtherCAT Technology Group Re: LinuxCNC is in Debian!

On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 at 15:14, Steffen Möller  wrote:


But he took the freedom to point out that there are others who
are already shipping EtherCAT drivers and have not experienced any legal
problem at all - he just cannot make any promises of any sorts about the
future

There is quite a gap between "we don't plan to turn evil" and "we
promise not to turn evil"

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Re: [Emc-developers] EtherCAT - would not be a prob with free membership in EtherCAT Technology Group Re: LinuxCNC is in Debian!

[Steffen Möller]

Dear all,

I had a phone conversation with the EtherCAT Technology Group's
president, Martin Rostan, this morning. To get an impression, you find
him in this PodCast https://www.sps-magazin.de/podcasts/ (German). Mr
Rostan sends his regards, expresses that he has a heart for all the
mills and lathes in private cellars out there and for the enthusiasts
behind them. However, the initial information I received was wrong. The
ETG's statutes (Satzung in German) do not allow non-legal entities to
become members. Bummer.

Mr Rostan refrained from giving us any legal advise. That would be their
lawyers. But he took the freedom to point out that there are others who
are already shipping EtherCAT drivers and have not experienced any legal
problem at all - he just cannot make any promises of any sorts about the
future, say if their company is bought. Most notably there is ROS and
the idea is that we could learn from them. He knows that the important
bit is that
https://github.com/OpenEtherCATsociety/SOEM/blob/master/LICENSE is
redistributed with the package. This effectively means that users they
become aware of are requested to get that free membership and that does
not change if LinuxCNC is a member or not.

I propose that we look into what ROS has come up with. Otherwise, I do
not know what this means for us, except to take care not to mix the
EtherCAT codebase with the regular LinuxCNC. To avoid paperwork that
would not make much practical difference for anyone, we were discouraged
to register a newly formed society that could be a member. But there may
be other sorts of motivation to have something that can hold money for
LinuxCNC. User meetings come to mind, and then this organization could
also become a member as a side-event.

What now?
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Re: [Emc-developers] EtherCAT support

[Steffen Möller]

On 02.03.22 15:10, andy pugh wrote:

On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 11:31, Arvid Brodin  wrote:


For full out-of-the-box EtherCAT support this package must be included in 
whichever distro(s) we use. I have no idea if this is possible

This is currently fairly easy, as we run our own package server, and
are already distributing debs for several other related projects (for
example mesaflash, gtk-sourceview, glade-3:
https://www.linuxcnc.org/dists/buster/base/binary-amd64/ )

I am not clear if a version of LinuxCNC installed from the Debian
servers would have access to our private repository. I would expect
not?


We could do it like the skype package for Debian and just add that URL
to /etc/apt/sources.d plus apt-key import with what you signed the
repository. I do not really like that, though.

Mesaflash is in Debian.

Best,
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Re: [Emc-developers] EtherCAT - would not be a prob with free membership in EtherCAT Technology Group Re: LinuxCNC is in Debian!

[Steffen Möller]

On 01.03.22 23:35, Rod Webster wrote:

The reason why I put this on the agenda is that I observed that the debian
project uncovered a number of licenses which we had to include in our
copyright statement that deviated from the standard GPL licence. I was
quite surprised at this. I would defer to Steffen on license issues and
compatibility.

For now I think we should make contact and make those assessments later.

I propose to write requesting membership of the ETG with the following
contacts
Myself - admin contact
Lead Developer - Nicklas
Steffan - Licensing and the Debian Project.

Please let me know if that sounds OK.


It is very nice of yours to consider me but I do not think I am needed
and Debian has this rule that anything good happening to the Open Source
world must not be bound to be Debian-specific, I would hence not want to
stress Debian too much / single it out. What may be good is to have
someone EtherCAT-savvy from Germany as a helper should whatever
communication problem arise or to open some backchannel to lure them
into sponsoring our devs with some hardware.

Someone "from here" please contact Ron. Should nobody surface then
please add me as "someone local in case this is helpful". I'll PM you
contact details.

Best,
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Re: [Emc-developers] EtherCAT - would not be a prob with free membership in EtherCAT Technology Group Re: LinuxCNC is in Debian!

[Steffen Möller]

On 01.03.22 20:15, Nicklas SB Karlsson wrote:

Den 2022-03-01 kl. 13:27, skrev Rod Webster:

So I shared Steffen's post on the Ethercat section of the forum
calling for
technical volunteers. Maybe some of them are in this group already.
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/ethercat/45239-lets-get-ethercat-into-the-linuxcnc-distribution-need-technical-people-to-help



I have to volunteer. Also have knowledge about CANopen which is useful
since many devices use this "protocol" over ethercat.


Great!

I'll leave it to Rod to assemble the
EtherCAT-Technology-Group-contact-front-for-LinuxCNC .

@Rod, I suggest you collect the contact details from the volunteers per
PM and finish the letter that I started or prepare a better one. As I
mentioned in my reply to Andy, we still need to learn about how to leave
that group if their conditions change so I suggest to clarify that
upfront, too. For instance, should they find LinuxCNC in violation with
anything (like proving technically incompetent, whatever) and they
cancel our membership then it is important for us that any action of
ours can only be performed "ex nunc" (from that moment on). We cannot
"undistribute" anything, which would be "ex tunc"? Gosh.

Many thanks to all!

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