RE: Ant Perversions [was RE: Properties are causing problem in 1.5]

2002-12-02 Thread Jon Skeet
I've never used VSS, so I'll take your word for it. I hear it's a crummy SCM tool. Why do people use it? Believe me, I wonder how the hell StarTeam, which sucks compared to Perforce or even CVS IMNSHO, got entrenched at where I work. Happened before my time. That's exactly why people

RE: Ant Perversions [was RE: Properties are causing problem in 1.5]

2002-12-02 Thread Jim Krygowski
Cruise Control has been improved over the last year or so. Release 2.x is quite good and incorporates xml configuration files and the ability to integrate with your ant build.xml files with little or no modification to those build files necessary. -Original Message- From: Steve

Re: Ant Perversions [was RE: Properties are causing problem in 1.5]

2002-12-02 Thread Steve Loughran
- Original Message - From: Scott Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ant Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 15:32 Subject: RE: Ant Perversions [was RE: Properties are causing problem in 1.5] The .NET tasks aren't necessarily interactive, or controlling GUIs or

RE: Ant Perversions [was RE: Properties are causing problem in 1.5]

2002-12-01 Thread Jon Skeet
I've intentionally sensationalized the subject. Don't be offended. Why use Ant for things like telnet, VSS, .NET, looping scripts, etc.? I'm all for Ant as a build tool and tool for general development-related Java stuff like deploying apps or running command line, non-interactive,

RE: Ant Perversions [was RE: Properties are causing problem in 1.5]

2002-12-01 Thread Scott Stirling
-Original Message- From: Steve Loughran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [...] Some people want Ant to do everything (or want to do everything from within Ant), in hopes of achieving portability perfection in a cross-platform world, even at the expense of horrible hacks in custom

RE: Ant Perversions [was RE: Properties are causing problem in 1.5]

2002-12-01 Thread Scott Stirling
-Original Message- From: Jon Skeet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [...] In the build procedure at work, due to historical reasons I *only* use Ant for VSS work - simply because it's much better at getting the job done than anything else is, and *much* better than hand labelling lots of

Re: Ant Perversions [was RE: Properties are causing problem in 1.5]

2002-12-01 Thread Erik Hatcher
Scott Stirling wrote: tools out there like Flux. Would that appropriate for scheduling builds either from Ant or around Ant? How do others automate Ant builds in cross-platform environments? Cron on UNIX/AT on WIndows? anthill, cruisecontrol. AT sucks. I haven't tried AntHill, but a

Ant Perversions [was RE: Properties are causing problem in 1.5]

2002-11-30 Thread Scott Stirling
I've intentionally sensationalized the subject. Don't be offended. Why use Ant for things like telnet, VSS, .NET, looping scripts, etc.? I'm all for Ant as a build tool and tool for general development-related Java stuff like deploying apps or running command line, non-interactive, Java tools.

Re: Ant Perversions [was RE: Properties are causing problem in 1.5]

2002-11-30 Thread Martin
Scott: I think you are forgetting why developers choose Ant consistently for their build environments... 1)it is truly portable..I can plunk my build.xml into a different development environment with no ill effect ..can you say the same for ANY of your platform specific tools..Can they read and

RE: Ant Perversions [was RE: Properties are causing problem in 1.5]

2002-11-30 Thread Scott Stirling
Hi, I've been using Ant for a few years for all the reasons you listed below. My question isn't why use Ant? -- but more like at what point should one admit Ant's limitations and augment it? Cygwin is free and kinda lightweight; UNIX is everywhere. That's why I usually wrap a lot of heavy-duty

Re: Ant Perversions [was RE: Properties are causing problem in 1.5]

2002-11-30 Thread Steve Loughran
- Original Message - From: Scott Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ant Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 18:49 Subject: RE: Ant Perversions [was RE: Properties are causing problem in 1.5] Hi, Cygwin is free and kinda lightweight; UNIX is everywhere. but