Re: [apple-crop] Liquid Lime Sulfur?

2016-04-07 Thread David A. Rosenberger
I’m surprised that your graphic (and I think I heard the same from Marc Trapman) suggests that in Europe they recommend using LLS only on wet leaves whereas the old info from Burrell suggested that it should NOT be applied to wet leaves. Any explanation? > On Apr 7, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Vincent

Re: [apple-crop] Liquid Lime Sulfur?

2016-04-07 Thread Vincent Philion
Hi! I heard at the Hudson Valley RIMpro meeting last month that bicarbonate is used in Europe during rainfall That would seem to necessitate repeated applications during an infections period. Does it have no after-infection value? In replicated tests over the years, we saw value in using

Re: [apple-crop] Liquid Lime Sulfur?

2016-04-07 Thread Vincent Philion
Hi! Normal only in the context of Organic Production only! Part of the phytotoxicity is avoided by using a much reduced rate in summer. I meant to say it’s not a rescue treatment for anyone. it’s either ’normal’ (organic) or completely forgotten (IPM). I would also say that LLS is quickly

Re: [apple-crop] Liquid Lime Sulfur?

2016-04-07 Thread David Kollas
I was surprised by Vincent’s comment that liquid lime sulfur is a “normal” choice for post-infection in his area. My recollection is that its use quickly went out of favor when ferbam and captan became available, mostly because of reduced photosynthetic ability of LLS-damaged leaves. Maybe

Re: [apple-crop] Liquid Lime Sulfur?

2016-04-07 Thread David A. Rosenberger
Art Burrell, working in the Champlain Valley of NY where spring temperatures are often cool, would agree with you. The sentences after the section that I quoted in the previous post says: “We have a period up to 60 or 70 hours, after the start of theinfection period, during which a heavy

Re: [apple-crop] Liquid Lime Sulfur?

2016-04-07 Thread Vincent Philion
If you worry about Captan phytotoxicity, then you should also worry about LLS being phytotoxic under the same conditions. Liquid lime sulfur is a ’normal’ (ie not emergency) choice for post infection (kickback). However, I wouldn’t trust it 96 hours after beginning of rain, unless the

Re: [apple-crop] Liquid Lime Sulfur?

2016-04-07 Thread David A. Rosenberger
Sorry if this is a duplication: I tried attaching Art Burrell’s discussion of sulfur sprays with the following message, but I think that made the message size too large for this list-serve. I can only reprint what Dr. Art Burrell said in 1945 at the 90th Annual Meeting of the New York State

[apple-crop] Liquid Lime Sulfur?

2016-04-07 Thread David Kollas
Does anyone have enough experience with liquid lime sulfur to comment on it as an emergency choice for application before rains have stopped during the current long infection period? It is listed as having 72-96 hours back-action in the New England Tree Fruits Management Guide.