Re: [apple-crop] Bottling Cider for consistancy
Hi Rich and Apple Crop List Serv members Periodically I like to post our house keeping rules for our listserv. Posts to our list are more valuable if everyone identifies who they are, with a signature box at the end of their post. When we ask questions or offer advice it is important that the list members know who you are and where you and or your farm are located. We have subscribers located all over the world and your location becomes critical in considering your post. Please take a minute to review our website guidelines for Apple-crop. http://virtualorchard.net/applecrop.html Also note there is a searchable data base on this page for past posts to apple - crop Best, Win Cowgill Apple-Crop Co-founder Professor Emeritus Rutgers University > On Apr 9, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Rich Everett <reofar...@gmail.com> wrote: > > We just did our first bottling of 64 cases of 22oz bottles or about 130 > gallons. We have noticed some “off” flavors in some bottles but not all? > The off flavor being a “bisquiting” or “mousey” flavors after you swallow the > cider, then you taste these off flavors. While other bottles are perfectly > acceptable. What is the cause and how can we get more consistent cider in > “all” of our bottles? Could it be the sanitizer, purging the bottles with > CO2 issues, or the juice? > > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] management advice for hail damaged orchard?
Jon-First Strep within 12 hours for trama blight phase of Fireblight. Then after calling my crop insurace agent and having it declared 100% loss with no crop sale potential I would look to protec thte trees from disease. If there is no hope for fruit sales! I would do a good rate of copper/Manzate to make sure all fireblight shoot blight is shut down. Manzate has a 77day phi so no fruit sales if applied now. I would do several periodic applications of capatan/ziram to ensure that no rots develope in the wood, shoots, trunks- ie black rot, white rot or necteria canker which can get established- the copper will help with the necteria canker. Win Win Cowgill Co-Founder Apple Crop List Serv Editor Horticultural News Professor and Area Fruit Agent New Jersey Agricultural Experiment Station Rutgers Cooperative Extension PO Box 2900 314 State Route 12, Bldg. 2 Flemington, NJ 08822-2900 Office 908-788-1339 Fax- 908-806-4735 Email: cowg...@njaes.rutgers.edu www.horticulturalnews.org/ www.virtualorchard.net/ http://virtualorchard.net/njfruitfocus/index.html Twitter @mrsuncrisp http://www.appletesters.net http://nc140.org On Jul 9, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Jon Clements jon.cleme...@umass.edu wrote: Hi everyone, what would you suggest is good management advice for a 100% hail damage (per crop insurance) orchard. Minimal fungicide and insecticide every few weeks? What about taking the damaged fruit off? Recommended, or does it make a difference? If we should take it off, how? Thanks. Jon -- Jon Clements aka 'Mr Honeycrisp' UMass Cold Spring Orchard 393 Sabin St. Belchertown, MA 01007 413-478-7219 umassfruit.com ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] NPR 'The Miracle Apple'
Well written Kevin! Win Win Cowgill Co-Founder Apple-Crop Discussion List Editor Horticultural News Professor and Area Fruit Agent New Jersey Agricultural Experiment Station Rutgers Cooperative Extension PO Box 2900 314 State Route 12, Bldg. 2 Flemington, NJ 08822-2900 Office 908-788-1339 Fax- 908-806-4735 Email: cowg...@njaes.rutgers.edu www.horticulturalnews.org/ www.virtualorchard.net/ http://virtualorchard.net/njfruitfocus/index.html Twitter @mrsuncrisp http://www.appletesters.net http://nc140.org On May 31, 2015, at 6:47 PM, Kevin A. Iungerman k...@cornell.edu wrote: I thought the two pieces - the Honeycrisp story in Planet Money and Good Fruit Grower - together provided a very good portrait of Honeycrisp - its promise, its reality (a young apple's production heartaches as well market returns), and most especially, its dramatic opening salvo representing a far-reaching consumer taste/quality desire paradigm that continues to unfurl, fundamentally reformatting the wholesale-apple-marketing-world. Apart from Honeycrisp's marketing bravado - being explosively crisp - it really has been apple's Big Bang for producers and consumers and the marvel of it all - enhanced by its propitious rescue - is that early-on the entire phenomenon was that driven by many, many early consumers' first taste-of-bite experience; there was no going back after that, neither for those consumers nor the apple industry! (Much the same aha for some of us working seasonally at the Univ MN Hort Station who knew where the MN 1711 tree was and how one might chance upon a fortuitous drop and so became the changed - as were some early customers to the Hort Station's apple sales barn in pre-history days prior to fame's plucking the apple away for enhanced review.) Courtier got it right early on, as did some few of the folks I worked with via Cornell Extension in Northeastern NY: there was something real novel here: an apple people lined-for, one could make money growing it, and one just tailor-made for cold growing regions like the Champlain (and of course MN). Now where Planet Money may have missed the bin is on two counts that merit broader telling to their audience. Despite great advances in genetic parentage, marker recognition, and and essentially double-cropping of crosses courtesy of dual hemispheral-seasons per year, apple breeding still requires devoted attention, resources, many years of time, and a good deal of luck, to come with something especially appealing for mass-marketing. Pricing must return both this front-end cost as well as keep the people growing the fruit in business. Returns must support both research and continued delivery of top-quality product, meaning not only that apple but its entire chain of production cost. Secondly, real apple connoisseurs know that there is a second apple market, one with hundreds of wonderfully- good, fresh eating apples to be had, enjoyed in their respective seasons and growing locales - hence Dave Bedford's happy encounter in his earlier years with those golden apples from Michigan; there are so many more than David's golden apples. Where it is possible for consumers to connect with local orchards and every manner of heirloom and novel newcomer at a particular apple's seasonal moment, that is an apple eating experience second to none. Indeed, as with craft breweries and cideries, it is my opinion that there is a parallel and comparable chink coming to the works of big-box apple sales. For the present though, falling back upon the current store-bought scene, thank heaven for the star-crossed happen-stance that gave rise to Honeycrisp, and to Bedford and Luby for being the right people at the right time and place to grab onto what nearly slipped through MN's hands. And hurrah for the heave-ho of one yellow, one green, one red! Best regards, Kevin Iungerman. Here's Richard Lehnert's 2012 Good Fruit Grower article on the story of Honeycrisp - http://www.goodfruit.com/last-bite-the-honeycrisp-explosion/ A different perspective, but not inconsistent with the NPR story as far as I can tell - All hail the unknown tomcat parent of Honeycrisp... D On May 30, 2015, at 7:50 AM, Jon Clements wrote: How does it differ Bill? I thought the Planet Money report was well done. Jon On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Fleming, William w...@montana.edu wrote: Not quite the same story that Goodfruit Grower told a few months ago. Bill Fleming Montana State University Western Ag Research Center 580 Quast Lane Corvallis, MT 59828 406-961-3025 Cell- 406-529-2409 -Original Message- From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of David Doud Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 10:04 AM To: Apple-Crop Subject: [apple-crop] NPR 'The Miracle Apple' On 'Planet Money' today - Jacob Goldstein
Re: [apple-crop] Employee vs. Contract labor
Mark- It probably falls under you state labor laws as well as federal. Your signiture box does not contain your location. In NJ we have specific guidelines for employees/youth under 18- especially regarding equipment use. Ferderal and state worker protection rules and guidelines apply as well for any employee working on your farm Contract labor would only be done through a lisenced labor contractor who would be responsible for all paperwork, permits, etc. If your hireing high school kids directly they are employees. If you google contract labor and your state- you will get more information than you want about your guidelines. Win Win Cowgill Apple-Crop Cofounder Editor Horticultural News Professor and Area Fruit Agent New Jersey Agricultural Experiment Station Rutgers Cooperative Extension PO Box 2900 314 State Route 12, Bldg. 2 Flemington, NJ 08822-2900 Office 908-788-1339 Fax- 908-806-4735 Email: cowg...@njaes.rutgers.edu www.horticulturalnews.org/ www.virtualorchard.net/ http://virtualorchard.net/njfruitfocus/index.html Twitter @mrsuncrisp http://www.appletesters.net http://nc140.org On Apr 9, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Mark Helen Angermayer angermay...@gmail.com wrote: I plan to hire some high school kids to help me thin fruit this year. They will only be working for about a month it takes to thin the fruit. I'm uncertain if this temporary employment would fall under employees or contract labor. I've looked at the definitions, but still unclear. Some of the requirements of contract labor vs. employees are who provides tools, and who defines work schedule. Obviously there are no tools required for fruit thinning, other than one's hands. I intend be flexible on when the kids can work, so am not setting work times. The kids would be hired individually, not as a thinning crew. The dollar cost is the same to me either way (because I plan on paying more for contract labor and less for employees) but the paperwork is less for contract labor. I'm a very small commercial grower, so FUTA is not a consideration. Any help would be appreciated. Mark Angermayer Tubby Fruits Peach Orchard ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Mankar Ultra-Low Volume Herbicide Applicators
Apple Croppers: I asked our Rutgers University Tree Fruit and Vegetable Extension Weed Specialist, Dr Brad Majek, for his thoughts on the Mankar ULV, here is his response: The Manker LV looks like the Herbie, the first ultra low volume controlled droplet applicator produced in the late 1970’s. They produce a very uniformly small droplet size. To suggest they don’t drift would be inaccurate. They just drift UNIFORMLY! I have seen the pattern drift the diameter of the spray pattern. The old Herbie applied a 5 foot wide pattern and I have seen it drift 5 feet toward the downwind direction. This is not good in a crosswind. It is at its best applying water soluble concentrates and EC formulations like Roundup or 2,4-D, and probably has a place treating square miles of rangeland with 2,4-D to control BLW and brush to encourage grass. It has been less effective applying WP, DF, and Flowable formulations. Brad Majek Win Cowgill says From my perspective I would not use it in stone fruit at all with Roundup or 2, 4d materials, or in apples with same after July 1. With utlra low droplet size the risks for drift are high. Win Win Cowgill Apple Crop Co-Founder Editor Horticultural News Professor and Area Fruit Agent New Jersey Agricultural Experiment Station Rutgers Cooperative Extension PO Box 2900 314 State Route 12, Bldg. 2 Flemington, NJ 08822-2900 Office 908-788-1339 Fax- 908-806-4735 Email: cowg...@njaes.rutgers.edu www.horticulturalnews.org/ www.virtualorchard.net/ http://virtualorchard.net/njfruitfocus/index.html www.appletesters.net On Oct 30, 2014, at 11:11 AM, dmnor...@royaloakfarmorchard.com wrote: We have a single head Enviromist mounted to our small John Deere tractor that we have used for several years with no issues at all. The keys are how high you allow your weeds to get before application and how high you have to hold the shield above the ground. The higher the shield above ground, the greater likelihood of drift. Dennis Norton IPM Specialist/Certified Nurseryman Royal Oak Farm Orchard 15908 Hebron Rd. Harvard, IL 60033-9357 Office (815) 648-4467 Mobile (815) 228-2174 Fax (609) 228-2174 http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.com http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Matt Pellerin To: Apple-crop discussion list Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: [apple-crop] Mankar Ultra-Low Volume Herbicide Applicators I have been researching different options for herbicide application in my orchard and came across Mankar ULV herbicide applicators. http://www.mankarulv.com/ The company promotes its shielded CDA applicators as virtually drift-free. However, I have read in some apple publications that the small droplets made by CDA applicators are inherently prone to drift. Does anyone have any clarifying information or experience with this equipment? Thanks, -- Matthew Pellerin Agricultural Manager Treworgy Family Orchards 3876 Union St Levant, ME 04456 www.treworgyorchards.com 207-884-8354 ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Stone fruit trunk painting- when to start
Gary on smooth bark trees, apple the thought is trees 2-5 are most suceptable to south west injury- That being said I paint all my one year old trees as well as I also count on the whitewash to assist in repelling rodents. Best, Win Win Cowgill Editor Horticultural News Professor and Area Fruit Agent New Jersey Agricultural Experiment Station Rutgers Cooperative Extension Flemington, NJ 08822-2900 Office 908-788-1339 Fax- 908-806-4735 Email: cowg...@njaes.rutgers.edu www.horticulturalnews.org/ www.virtualorchard.net/ http://virtualorchard.net/njfruitfocus/index.html www.snyderfarm.rutgers.edu/investigators/cowgill.html www.appletesters.net On Jul 14, 2013, at 8:46 PM, Gary Mount gbmo...@alumni.princeton.edu wrote: Should trunk painting on peach be done after the year of planting or should I wait for a certain trunk diameter?Gary Mount Gary Mount Terhune Orchards 330 Cold Soil Rd Princeton, NJ 08540 609-924-2310 609-924-8569 fx 609-462-9672 cell On 7/14/2013 7:21 PM, Win Cowgill wrote: just an fyi- Thiram no longer labled ona apple Win Cowgill Editor Horticultural News Professor and Area Fruit Agent New Jersey Agricultural Experiment Station On Jul 14, 2013, at 1:33 PM, Michael Vaughn mvaugh...@gmail.com wrote: I remember you add Thiram to that mix. Tobe done in October on Apples if I recall correctly. On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Kevin Hauser ke...@kuffelcreek.com wrote: 1/3 water 1/3 white latex paint On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 08:45:51 -0400, Arthur Kelly kellyorcha...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know the recipe for trunk painting including joint compound? ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- Michael D. Vaughn Owner / Manager Pie-In-the-Sky Orchards ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Food Cartel Imports Shrink Another U.S. Crop’s Production: Apple Orchards
The big apple states are where the processing apple acreage is still located and where the companies that produce sauce, slices and other apple products from local sources, Pennsylvania, New York, Virginia, Washington State, North Carolina, California- it is the juice market that has gone away, suppliers have moved to foreign concentrate over the last ten years at the expense of local (USA) grown apples. Win Cowgill Co-Founder Apple Crop List Serv Editor Horticultural News Professor and Area Fruit Agent New Jersey Agricultural Experiment Station Rutgers Cooperative Extension of Hunterdon County PO Box 2900 Flemington, NJ 08822-2900 Office 908-788-1339 Cell- 908-489-0207 Fax- 908-806-4735 Email: cowg...@njaes.rutgers.edu http://www.virtualorchard.net/win/ http://snyderfarm.rutgers.edu/investigators/cowgill.html http://www.horticulturalnews.org/ www.appletesters.net On Jan 28, 2012, at 11:54 AM, Ginda Fisher wrote: Do you know where apples used for sauce are produced? thanks, Ginda Fisher apple consumer On Jan 28, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Jon Clements wrote: Something a little more serious to chew on after the last post: http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2005/2005_30-39/2005_30-39/2005-31/pdf/31-33_31_ecoapple.pdf -- JMCEXTMAN Jon Clements cleme...@umext.umass.edu aka 'Mr Liberty' aka 'Mr Honeycrisp' IM mrhoneycrisp 413.478.7219 ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop Win Cowgill Editor Horticultural News Professor and Area Fruit Agent Department Head New Jersey Agricultural Experiment Station Rutgers Cooperative Extension of Hunterdon County PO Box 2900 Flemington, NJ 08822-2900 Office 908-788-1339 Cell- 908-489-0207 Fax- 908-806-4735 Email: cowg...@njaes.rutgers.edu http://www.virtualorchard.net/win/ http://snyderfarm.rutgers.edu/investigators/cowgill.html http://www.horticulturalnews.org/ www.appletesters.net ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] Solution to roots eaten by gopher, any way to salvage?
Rye if the cambium was destroyed, the only solution is Inarching of bridge grafting. You can plant an apple rootstock(s) next to the damaged tree and graft them in (Inarch), or if there is good root bark visible you can bridge graft between the root and scion. If they are very young trees probably better to start over. I worked with a grower may years ago who saved whole mature apple orchard that had bark damage from voles ( he didn't do his mouse and vole control) in Morris County, NJ. These were large standard apple trees, we inarched with apple rootstocks and saved the trees. They lived and thrived another 15 years until he retired. The best publication is an old out of date one: Title-Bridge grafting and inarching damaged fruit trees. Issue 508 of Leaflet (United States. Dept. of Agriculture). It is out of publication, 1962- but can be found on Amazon http://books.google.com/books/about/Bridge_grafting_and_inarching_damaged_fr.html?id=8I30TFuY5kYC or there is a scan of it at: http://www.scribd.com/doc/7607870/Bridge-Grafting-and-Inarching-Damaged-Fruit-Trees Win Cowgill Apple Crop co-founder Editor Horticultural News Professor and Area Fruit Agent New Jersey Agricultural Experiment Station Rutgers Cooperative Extension of Hunterdon County PO Box 2900 Flemington, NJ 08822-2900 Email: cowg...@njaes.rutgers.edu http://www.virtualorchard.net/win/ http://snyderfarm.rutgers.edu/investigators/cowgill.html http://www.horticulturalnews.org/ www.appletesters.net On Jan 19, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Rye wrote A gopher ate every last finger of root. All that's left is wood below the graft union. Any chance to get roots to regenerate? It was recent and the tree wood is still wet inside. I planted the bareroot last spring, headed it to 18 and it grew to 6ft. Shame to loose all that growth. Thanks, Rye Hefley Future Farmers Marketter So. Cal. ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Apple-Crop: water Gun Nozzle source?
Harrold, how about a specific brand/modle number of your water gun nozzle and where to purchase? Win CowgillProfessor and Area Fruit AgentDepartment HeadRutgers Cooperative Extension of Hunterdon CountyNew Jersey Agriculture Exp. StationPO Box 2900Flemington, NJ 08822-2900Office 908-788-1339Fax -908-806-4735Cell-908-489-0207Email: cowg...@njaes.rutgers..eduhttp://www.virtualorchard.net/win/ On Jun 30, 2010, at 11:05 PM, Harold Schooley wrote:Sometimes the trellis posts do not get set in here until this time of year and often soil is dry and posts hard to pound by now. We use a water gun nozzle hooked up to the sprayer to “drill” a hole where we then pound sharpened posts. Can’t say if this would work for a hard pan but it might be worth a try. Good luck.Harold SchooleySchooley OrchardsSimcoe,Ontario,CanadaFrom:apple-crop@virtualorchard.net[mailto:apple-crop@virtualorchard.net]On Behalf OfArthur KellySent:Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:14 PMTo:Apple-CropSubject:Apple-Crop: trellis postsDoes anyone have any experienceor suggestions forpounding or setting line posts for a tree support system into hard-pan? We have 24-30 inches of soil and then hard-pan. Some years ago we tried to auger in posts and had great difficulty penetrating the hard-pan. I'm feeling the posts should go in at least 36 inches with 8-9 ft above ground. We have been using Best Angle stakes but I'm hearing they aren't that long lived due to rust and bending.Art KellyKelly OrchardsActon,ME
Re: Apple-Crop: copper fungicides for organic apples?
Dave Champ WG copper is labeled under OMRI-they list the following:Champ WGClassification: Crop Pest, Weed, and Disease ControlCategory: Coppers – fixedRestriction: May be used for plant disease control if the requirements of 205.206(e) are met, which requires the use of preventative, mechanical, physical, and other pest, weed, and disease management practices. Must be used in a manner that minimizes copper accumulation in the soil and shall not be used as herbicides.I will send you the lable off the cdms site.Best,Win Win CowgillProfessor and Area Fruit AgentDepartment HeadRutgers Cooperative Extension of Hunterdon CountyNew Jersey Agriculture Exp. StationPO Box 2900Flemington, NJ 08822-2900Office 908-788-1338Cell-908-489-0207Email: cowg...@njaes.rutgers.eduhttp://www.virtualorchard.net/win/ On May 12, 2009, at 10:30 PM, Dave Rosenberger wrote:Can anyone point me to a copper fungicide that is OMRI approved for organic farmers AND that also has a US EPA label that allows repeated applications to apples during summer. I know that I should be able to find this info on the OMRI web-site, but I found that site extremely confusing when I tried it a year or two ago.-- **Dave RosenbergerProfessor of Plant Pathology Office: 845-691-7231Cornell University's Hudson Valley Lab Fax: 845-691-2719P.O. Box 727, Highland, NY 12528 Cell: 845-594-3060 http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/pp/faculty/rosenberger/--The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net> and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net>.Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent "official" opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content.
