Re: Tax Leisure via Time Audits?

2002-04-27 Thread Robin Hanson
At 04:59 PM 4/26/02 -0700, Wei Dai wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 05:15:33PM -0400, Robin Hanson wrote: I apply the same logic to government. If I believe, as I do, that people often overestimate the value they get from government, I should fix that if I can by persuasion. What if you

Re: Tax Leisure via Time Audits?

2002-04-27 Thread Wei Dai
On Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 09:45:12AM -0400, Robin Hanson wrote: When I'm inferring what it is that people think they want, I don't have to believe everything they say. I can also look at their actions. I can't see how anyone has a quadrillion dollar willingness to pay, as no one can afford to

Re: Tax Leisure via Time Audits?

2002-04-26 Thread Wei Dai
On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 09:12:53AM -0400, Robin Hanson wrote: If the reason that government gets bigger as taxes become more efficient is that most people have a downward-sloping demand for government, and so buy more of it as the price gets lower, then it seems paternalistic of me to keep

Re: Tax Leisure via Time Audits?

2002-04-26 Thread Kevin Sachs
At 09:12 AM 4/26/2002 -0400, you wrote: But as an economist, I should try to figure out how to make sports markets more efficient, rather than trying to sabotage them so more people will do things I prefer. Isn't government different from sports (although sports leagues are cartels, so...)?

Re: Tax Leisure via Time Audits?

2002-04-26 Thread Robin Hanson
I wrote: If the reason that government gets bigger as taxes become more efficient is that most people have a downward-sloping demand for government, and so buy more of it as the price gets lower, then it seems paternalistic of me to keep the price artificially high, just because my demand is

Re: Tax Leisure via Time Audits?

2002-04-25 Thread Fred Foldvary
--- Robin Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once upon a time income taxes were difficult to collect, because income was hard to cheaply monitor. So governments used less efficient taxes, Not necessarily. Real-estate taxes were not that difficult to collect, and rather efficient. Land has

Re: Tax Leisure via Time Audits?

2002-04-25 Thread john hull
Howdy, Instead of surveillance schemes that sound a bit Big-Brotheresque, no offense, why not just take the forms already extant and merely switch hours worked for income earned? Question: Would such a program necessarily imply flat taxation, instead of progressive, since income will not be

Re: Tax Leisure via Time Audits?

2002-04-25 Thread Robin Hanson
Fred Foldvary wrote: Real-estate taxes were not that difficult to collect, and rather efficient. I won't argue that here, as it isn't central to this discussion. And as the technology of surveillance improves, it should get easier to monitor this. The technology would need to keep ahead

Re: Tax Leisure via Time Audits?

2002-04-25 Thread Robin Hanson
At 11:33 AM 4/25/02 -0700, john hull wrote: Instead of surveillance schemes that sound a bit Big-Brotheresque, no offense, why not just take the forms already extant and merely switch hours worked for income earned? We know how to audit returns to check on the income earned. The question is how

Re: Tax Leisure via Time Audits?

2002-04-25 Thread Gustavo Lacerda \(from work\)
Why would you want to tax leisure? Wouldn't this promote less intense (i.e. more leisurely) and thus, less productive work? Gustavo - Original Message - From: Robin Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 11:36 AM Subject: Tax Leisure via Time

Re: Tax Leisure via Time Audits?

2002-04-25 Thread Wei Dai
On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 11:36:31AM -0400, Robin Hanson wrote: Once upon a time income taxes were difficult to collect, because income was hard to cheaply monitor. So governments used less efficient taxes, and arguably this was a reason the size of government was lower. Today it seems that