Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-20 Thread Bruce
disabled! ;) Tom From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com; To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net; Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals Sent: Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:25:08 PM Mark, The idea

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-19 Thread tom claffey
Of course Mike, however you need to be able to see the big picture, plenty of crashes worldwide due to technology overload. I prefer to fly with F/Os who can fly, luckily nearly all can! There isn#x27;t any technology in the world on a stormy night with a 40kt crosswind worth more than sheer

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-18 Thread tom claffey
For myself, I am not interested in any variometer cruise modes so am content with my B400 and B40 in our second glider. Interestingly both Bruce Taylor and myself seem to muddle along OK with sink tone disabled! ;) Tom___ Aus-soaring mailing list

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-18 Thread James Dutschke
Flying in the best air allows for a greater sample (time and distance) of air to pick the best climb. Sent from my iPhone On 18/03/2013, at 10:21, Matthew Gage m...@knightschallenge.com wrote: Comparing some flights from a recent comp, A glider that flew direct saw 4 knot average climbs

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-18 Thread Mike Borgelt
] Intermediate/short term goals Sent: Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:25:08 PM Mark, The idea is to fly in air that's going up. You should not be hearing the sink sound much. If you are it is time to go somewhere else and be in cruise mode while doing this when you won't hear the sink sound. Mike At 12

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-18 Thread Roger Druce
*From: * Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com; *To: * Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net; *Subject: * Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals *Sent: * Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:25:08 PM

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-18 Thread Mike Borgelt
of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net; Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals Sent: Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:25:08 PM Mark, The idea is to fly in air that's going up. You should not be hearing the sink sound much. If you are it is time

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-18 Thread Bruce
Bruce Taylor and myself seem to muddle along OK with sink tone disabled! ;) Tom From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com; To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net; Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-18 Thread Stuart Kerri FERGUSON
mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com; To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net; Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals Sent: Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:25:08 PM Mark, The idea is to fly in air that's going up. You should

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-18 Thread Christopher McDonnell
Stuart. From: Stuart Kerri FERGUSON Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:27 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals I'm not a comp pilot however I know that all the data in the world is of no use if you can't

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-18 Thread Mike Borgelt
Stuart, The eagle doesn't need to look at his vario. His ears detect the pressure changes caused by climb and descent. There is also some conjecture that some soaring birds can detect the nearby presence of thermals by the infrasound (sound at frequencies lower than 20 Hz) generated.

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-18 Thread Mike Borgelt
@lists.internode.on.netaus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net; Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals Sent: Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:25:08 PM Mark, The idea is to fly in air that's going up. You should not be hearing the sink sound much. If you are it is time to go somewhere else and be in cruise mode

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-17 Thread John Orton
John H Cochrane has some very good articles on the web he has done some analysis on deviations which can be found at http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/john.cochrane/soaring/docs/deviations_I.pdf Othe good artciles can also be found on this page

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-17 Thread Mark Newton
On 17/03/2013, at 11:08 AM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: Yes, staying out of sink is very important. Most of us do it poorly. It is extremely important when trying to center weak and broken thermals which is why I like a vario with a sink sound as it provides full

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-17 Thread Mike Borgelt
Mark, The idea is to fly in air that's going up. You should not be hearing the sink sound much. If you are it is time to go somewhere else and be in cruise mode while doing this when you won't hear the sink sound. Mike At 12:37 AM 18/03/2013, you wrote: On 17/03/2013, at 11:08 AM, Mike

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-17 Thread rolf a. buelter
-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals Mark, The idea is to fly in air that's going up. You should not be hearing the sink sound much. If you are it is time to go somewhere else and be in cruise mode while doing this when you won't hear the sink sound. Mike At 12:37 AM 18/03/2013, you

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-17 Thread Dave Donald
meaninglessly. Dave From: rolf a. buelter rbuel...@hotmail.com To: aus soaring aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, 18 March 2013 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals The idea is to fly in air that's going up.   Wow

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-17 Thread David Conway
. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals On 17/03/2013, at 11:08 AM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: Yes, staying out of sink is very important. Most of us do it poorly. It is extremely important when trying to center weak and broken thermals which

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-17 Thread Matthew Gage
Comparing some flights from a recent comp, A glider that flew direct saw 4 knot average climbs and averaged 40:1 A glider of the same type deviated a lot, saw 6 knot climbs and achieved 50:1 The glider that deviated could fly an additional 26km and still be ahead. That's a deviation of about

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-17 Thread Texler, Michael
Use the force?. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-17 Thread DMcD
'The idea is to fly in air that's going up' is pretty good advice. I was sitting opposite a world champion from Eastern Europe at dinner when someone asked him What's the secret? His answer was It's not so hard. You climb and you glide… but it's best to do it in that order. It is a technique

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-16 Thread emilis prelgauskas
On 15/03/2013, at 5:12 PM, Adam Woolley wrote: Have you got any rough 'rules of thumb' that you use in order to decide if the short term deviation is worth it or not? Better air within 30 degrees either side of track is worth deviating for. ___

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-16 Thread Peter Champness
It might depend a bit on the performance of your glider. I fly a Foka 5 I have been very impressed, in a negative way, by the amount of height lost in a large area of sink. Enough to see you on the ground. My very recent endevours have been to find ways to avoid or get out of sink. Has anyone

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-16 Thread Future Aviation
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals It might depend a bit on the performance of your glider. I fly a Foka 5 I have been very impressed, in a negative way, by the amount of height lost in a large area of sink. Enough to see you

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-16 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 06:57 PM 16/03/2013, you wrote: On 15/03/2013, at 5:12 PM, Adam Woolley wrote: Have you got any rough 'rules of thumb' that you use in order to decide if the short term deviation is worth it or not? Better air within 30 degrees either side of track is worth deviating for. It is more

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-16 Thread Bruce
Adam, Is the wisp stable, building or decaying? No-one has identified that so far. Building, go. Decaying, pass it by. You should know unless you have been at cloud base - watch the sky ahead, not just cloud by cloud. I broadly agree with some previous comments, but also no-one has mentioned

Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals

2013-03-15 Thread jim crowhurst
Depends on the climb rates of the day and cycle rate. Short cycle and weak climbs go for it, the whisps maybe woking well. Boomer day with big climbs under big clouds dont bother. Jim -Original Message- From: Adam Woolley Sent: 15 Mar 2013 07:42:10 GMT To: Discussion of issues