Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy

2015-04-28 Thread go_soaring
The vent hole on the shroud is an excellent idea, McPhee alerted me to that you came up with that idea - it's on my list to do this form2. I can only imagine the life span it'd take away from my instruments. I'd like to change my shroud color too, the color wasn't chosen by me. Another one of

Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy

2015-04-28 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 08:38 PM 27/04/2015, you wrote: So you are saying that a outlanding is a risky occurrence? People are outlanding all the time, except for a few occasions they seem to be walking away and still have a glider they can use. Maybe we should ban outlandings? Suggested new rule may read: You

Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy

2015-04-27 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 05:32 PM 27/04/2015, I wrote: If you decide to join the 21st century for your backup vario get in touch and I'll sell you something you'll be happy to fly with when you need it. We sold 1000+ B40's from 1995 to 2005. My US outlet told me many many US pilots were installing them and

Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy

2015-04-27 Thread Nick Gilbert
Surely a backup electric vario is a more useful backup than a mechanical? With its own emergency battery you get a backup audio and averager as well as the needle. With all the stress that goes with a power failure having to stare at the instrument would make things worse. Nick On 27 Apr

Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy

2015-04-27 Thread Matthew Scutter
Which turns out to be remarkably self enforcing, because for someone who's only ever flown with a vario it's extraordinarily hard to get out of gliding distance without one. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Sean Jorgensen-Day sean.jorgensen...@bigpond.com wrote: *“*For the paleo engineless

Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy

2015-04-27 Thread pam
in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy Straw poll. Has anyone, had a vario failure. Sent from my iPhone On 27 Apr 2015, at 19:14, Nick Gilbert cirru...@gmail.com mailto:cirru...@gmail.com wrote: Surely a backup electric vario is a more useful backup than

Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy

2015-04-27 Thread James Dutschke
Straw poll. Has anyone, had a vario failure. Sent from my iPhone On 27 Apr 2015, at 19:14, Nick Gilbert cirru...@gmail.com wrote: Surely a backup electric vario is a more useful backup than a mechanical? With its own emergency battery you get a backup audio and averager as well as the

Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy

2015-04-27 Thread Sean Jorgensen-Day
For the paleo engineless gliders you are likely to risk an outlanding with its attendant hazards. Pretty stupid to risk breaking your glider or yourself over lack of a backup. So you are saying that a outlanding is a risky occurrence? People are outlanding all the time, except for a few

Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy

2015-04-27 Thread Derek Ruddock
Twice. Both in state comps. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of James Dutschke Sent: Monday, 27 April 2015 7:55 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] varios

Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy

2015-04-27 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 08:14 AM 27/04/2015, you wrote: There’s no need for a winter backup now Maybe not a Winter vario as backup but you should have a backup. Adam's advice is probably the silliest thing I've read in a long time. The only time you may reasonably want to rely on one vario is in a

Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy

2015-04-27 Thread Harry
and whistles vario but the needles move in unison with Mike’s modestly priced B700, Harry Medlicott From: Mike Borgelt Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 5:32 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy At 08:14 AM 27/04/2015, you wrote: Thereâ

Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy

2015-04-27 Thread Peter Champness
I have just been choosing instruments for a new glider. I did wonder for a moment after reading Adam's post whether I had wasted money on the Winter Vario. However I agree with Mike. A set on basic instruments (redundancy) is good insurance. In my case I have something in case of electrical

Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy

2015-04-27 Thread Anthony Smith
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy Straw poll. Has anyone, had a vario failure. Sent from my iPhone On 27 Apr 2015, at 19:14, Nick Gilbert cirru...@gmail.com mailto:cirru...@gmail.com wrote: Surely a backup electric vario

Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy

2015-04-27 Thread Mark Newton
It's easy: point the nose away from the field and wait. You'll be out of gliding distance in no time. - mark On 27 Apr 2015, at 8:55 pm, Matthew Scutter yellowplant...@gmail.com wrote: Which turns out to be remarkably self enforcing, because for someone who's only ever flown with a

Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy

2015-04-27 Thread emilis prelgauskas
Straw poll.  Has anyone, had a vario failure. Yes, Catherine lent me her son and newly arrived 2 seater with its single vario which chose to rest the needle in the top right corner, so we had to use the back up on the bottom of the back seat. ___

Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy

2015-04-27 Thread Ross McLean
...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of James Dutschke Sent: Monday, 27 April 2015 7:55 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy Straw poll. Has anyone, had a vario failure. Sent from my iPhone On 27 Apr 2015, at 19:14

Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy

2015-04-27 Thread Bruce
Nick, I used the faster time constant Winter mechanical on every single flight (the standard Winter is a nice instrument, but the faster version is magnificent). It wasn't there as a backup (although it obviously could have served that purpose). It was there as the primary. It was better than

Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy

2015-04-27 Thread Gary Stevenson
...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of James Dutschke Sent: Monday, 27 April 2015 7:55 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy Straw poll. Has anyone, had a vario failure

Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy

2015-04-27 Thread DMcD
The Winter got me home on the last weak thermal of the day a couple of times. The electrics were still working fine, but the Winter had greater sensitivity. Agreed. Although I use the audio from an electrovario, there's something about the way the Winter needle moves which tells you far more

Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy

2015-04-27 Thread Jim Staniforth
Mike was the first to include this feature, but... Every electric vario can have a backup battery. Pardon the Text-O-CAD. Jim SPDT ON/ON Switch | Main Supply + _ \__ Instrument +