We have a rather good work environment. But trying to convince
freshers of this is close to impossible, as they have inflated ideas
about what the IT industry is really like.
This is one of the reasons we only hire proven hackers from among
freshers - they already value things we do to.
Senthil Kumaran sent...@uthcode.com writes:
[...]
I can understand your situation. One possible suggestion is to pay
well and hire smart students based upon their academic and project
strengths and let them start new on whichever technologies you are
using.
The problem is that most
On Monday, October 31, 2011 8:08:05 PM UTC+5:30, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
I would recommend that she join a startup or a small company and get
some real work experience before jumping into this.
I'd go so far as to suggest that they join a mid-to-large sized company and
spend the first couple of
I'd go so far as to suggest that they join a mid-to-large sized company and
spend the first couple of years maintaining somebody else's crap code. It's
one hell of a learning experience.
Don't join Big companies, you're learning is not in your hand, large
companies work on diverse areas, so
On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 09:37:32PM +0530, Rajeev J Sebastian wrote:
Given that the fresher lacks knowledge in any given area, what kind of
testing should we use? Since we do development in Python and Django,
and so far no candidate has come to us with Python on their resume,
what do you
So my question: how does one gauge aptitude in programming?
Get them to write code. One common thread for us is that we have
everybody write code irrespective of experience. Half the code at
home, and if that passes muster, we have them come into the office and
pair with us on expanding their
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:26 PM, kracekumar ramaraju
kracethekingma...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd go so far as to suggest that they join a mid-to-large sized company and
spend the first couple of years maintaining somebody else's crap code.
It's
one hell of a learning experience.
Don't join
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Saager Mhatre saager.mha...@gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:26 PM, kracekumar ramaraju
kracethekingma...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd go so far as to suggest that they join a mid-to-large sized company
and
spend the first couple of years maintaining
Thanks Sidu and Senthil for your recommendations, which were very
helpful. As you suggested, the most important change we can make is to
test directly with code.
Do you do your tests in Python, or whatever language the fresher
knows? So far, we have not received a single resume mentioning Python.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian
rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com wrote:
Do you do your tests in Python, or whatever language the fresher
knows? So far, we have not received a single resume mentioning Python.
I am a fresher, you won't believe I mention and promote python,
Do you do your tests in Python, or whatever language the fresher
knows? So far, we have not received a single resume mentioning Python.
Any object oriented language the candidate is comfortable with is fine
by us. Unit tests are, however, mandatory. TDD is a huge plus.
Question is, how much to
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:31 PM, kracekumar ramaraju
kracethekingma...@gmail.com wrote:
True... to some extent. Like just about anything else, you have to choose
wisely.
My four years at Kanbay (now CapGemini) taught me a lot of lessons in
organization, management as well as
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:56 PM, kracekumar ramaraju
kracethekingma...@gmail.com wrote:
I am advanced python novice.
There's an interesting tautology I can use, and...
People who learn python are passionate about programming, others learn
java and c# to get a job.
... there's a line that
Don't get me wrong, I'm not discounting engineering skills; we're all on
the same side there. What I was hinting at above is that if you get lucky
and get good managers at a mid-to-large co, you have the opportunity to
learn how organization in the large works, and that's an important skill
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:15 PM, kracekumar ramaraju
kracethekingma...@gmail.com wrote:
In most support project you don't change code until there is a requirement
from client, else you end up supporting the tickets etc...
They're not all support (as in keep the lights on) projects, there's
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian
rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com wrote:
As you suggested, the most important change we can make is to test
directly with code.
+1 to Sidu's suggestion about having candidates write code before they come
in; have used that to much success.
Do
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Saager Mhatre saager.mha...@gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian
rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com wrote:
As you suggested, the most important change we can make is to test
directly with code.
+1 to Sidu's suggestion about having
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Sidu Ponnappa lorddae...@gmail.com wrote:
Do you do your tests in Python, or whatever language the fresher
knows? So far, we have not received a single resume mentioning Python.
Any object oriented language the candidate is comfortable with is fine
by us. Unit
Vishal vsapr...@gmail.com writes:
Hello Everyone,
I have a friend, who's finished his education and looking for work. He
asked me about freelance programming and I had nothing to share with
him. Thought of getting to know this mode of professional
programming.
I wouldn't recommend it for
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