Great! That bass-line is indeed very Balcarres-ish; an awful lot of
bass notes . . .
Bill
From: Arto Wikla
To: BAROQUE-LUTE
Sent: Friday, 11 April 2014, 17:15
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: NIIN KAUAN
Nice version Roman!
Here is my "original" version made in in the style
that there are some wonderful pieces
here - some for beginners - and many for 11c lute.
Kind regards and thanks,
Bill
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From: William Samson ;
To: Arthur Ness ; Bernd
To: Bernd Haegemann ; William Samson
Cc: Baroque Lute List
Sent: Thursday, 7 November 2013, 9:30
Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Cologne lute MS?
Thank you, Bernd. Yes, but the shelf-number is Ms. 5.P.171 (olim, Ms.
1.N.68). See Christian Meyer et al., **Sources manuscrits en
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From: William Samson ;
To: James Jackson ;
Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: The "golden" rose
Sent: Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:39:23 PM
Hi James,
Not certain about
Dear Arthur,
That's most helpful. Thank you very much.
If I find out any more I will let you know.
Kind regards,
Bill
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From: Arthur Ness ;
To: William S
Dear collective wisdom,
You're probably aware of the 'Lautenbuch Livre pour le lut Koeln, 18.
Jahrhundert' published by Schott ED5425, edited by Giesbert perhaps in
the 1930s
There's some nice stuff in there and I was trying to learn more about
the original MS. Apparently i
I wonder how many copies they expect to sell? Libraries only, I
suspect.
Bill
From: Arthur Ness
To: sterling price ; baroque lute list
Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2013, 12:56
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Weiss Volume 9 Facsimile
Hang on, Sterling! You're in for a rough
I haven't come across any, either in museums or in paintings. Treble
riders were very unusual (but not unknown) in lutes with less than 10
courses, but pretty much standard for 11 or more courses with a
bent-back pegbox.
Interestingly I have come across one painting (sorry - I don'
I notice that there are quite a number of 17th century paintings of
lutenists accompanying singers using an 11c or 12c lute. Does anyone
know if there is a published repertoire of pieces like this, or were
the lutenists playing a continuo without using a written-out
accompaniment?
Hi David,
In Mary Burwell, Old Gaultier is quoted as saying that Gaultier of
Paris's playing was 'fit to go along with a burial'. Not quite the
same thing! But earlier in the book it says "Gaultier of Paris was
excellent for his composition and his play extremely polished and his
Well played! It suits the instrument very well indeed.
Bill
From: David van Ooijen
To: lutelist Net ; Baroque Lute List (E-mail)
Sent: Saturday, 7 July 2012, 20:10
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] and now for something completely different
My Summer holiday just started, so I tho
wrote:
Hoppy used to use Lanolin rubbed into his Pyramid basses, but that
was 29 years ago.
ed
At 06:20 AM 5/24/2012, William Samson wrote:
Hi Ed,
Age indeed . . . OH! You mean the strings?
Yes - Dirt and sweat seem to tame them. I was wondering if the
process
cou
Hi Ed,
Age indeed . . . OH! You mean the strings?
Yes - Dirt and sweat seem to tame them. I was wondering if the process
could be speeded up by rubbing, say, beeswax into an overwound string.
Anybody tried that?
Bill
From: Ed Durbrow
To: William Samson ; baroque lute
ine.net"
To: William Samson
Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012, 16:23
Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Zingy strings
Bill,
Are you using silver or copper wound? I found that the copper wound are
less "zingy" than the silver wound (at least on my lute).
-David
- Original
Hi,
Just wondering if anybody had found a good way to take the worst of the
boom and everlasting sustain out of overwound basses? Loaded gut is
'way beyond my budget, so anything that would make, say, Kuerschner or
Pyramid basses a bit tamer would be helpful.
I have heard about
Now isn't that amazing? Somebody who produced wonderful music from a
primitive lute built back in the dark ages - by a guitar maker of all
things! Wonders will never cease . . . [heavy sarcasm]
Bill
From: howard posner
To: baroque lute list
Sent: Tuesday, 1 May 2012, 0:11
investigated and written up anywhere? All the advice I can find is for
medium-sized lutes and suggests tensions around 3kg per string. That
would presumably be less for a much smaller lute.
Bill
From: Martyn Hodgson
To: "baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" ;
William Sam
Hi Martyn,
I think some underlying assumptions need to be brought out here.
The main difficulty with gut basses is the thickness of the string in
comparison with its length. The thicker the string, other things being
equal, the stiffer it will be and so less able to produce the hi
wishes,
Bill
From: Martyn Hodgson
To: William Samson
Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 11:17
Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] What lutes for 17th century French music
was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
Thanks Bill - how does one access spotify?
rgds
M--- On Fri, 16/3/12, William Samson
I just found that this album can be listened to on Spotify if you have
access to it. It's free to use in the UK, but I can't say how things
are elsewhere.
Bill
From: Martyn Hodgson
To: "baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" ;
Edward Martin ; William Samson
Hi Martyn,
Do you know what the string length of the Wenger is?
Bill
From: Martyn Hodgson
To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Edward Martin
Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 8:08
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
Dear Edward,
Thank you for this notice: in
Thank you for the heads-up, Ed. I just checked and the CD won't be
available in the UK until April 23rd. Pre-ordering is possible
though! Tony is certainly covering the repertoire, isn't he?
Interesting that he uses A70. It's really all you can do when you use
a gut chanterelle
It's a great piece of music. Do you know the date of the earliest
version?
Does that translate as "The Beautiful Murder"? I wonder why?
Bill
From: Arto Wikla
To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 20:31
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] La belle homicide
Thank you Arto!
Some very nice notes inegales without overdoing it.
All the best,
Bill
From: wikla
To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, 25 December 2011, 18:43
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Some D. Gaultier...
Dear baroque lutenists,
lots of free time in these
I have a copy of the Rollin and Souris CNRS edition of the Oeuvres de
Vieux Gaultier - All pieces are for D-minor tuning.
I have read that Ennemond Gaultier also composed in renaissance tuning
as well as the transitional tunings (perhaps before he became
'vieux') but haven't come ac
"The sleeve says the lute used is a Van der
Waals from 1973 and I am amazed at how great it sounds--almost too
good
for a 1973 lute. "
The lute doesn't matter nearly as much as the player. Having said
that, Nico van der Waals was a very fine maker and many of the best
pla
Bravo! Congratulations to all involved in this wonderful project.
Bill
From: Roman Turovsky
To: BAROQUE-LUTE
Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011, 2:18
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: RT on Dutch Radio!!!
For those who missed the show, the archived stream is available now -
[1]htt
miles these days. I have half a
dozen of these books and am forever returning to them.
Bill
From: Edward Martin
To: William Samson ;
"baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011, 6:51
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dubut and Jean Mercure
Thank you, Bi
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From: William Samson
To: Edward Martin
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011, 19:44
Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Dubut and Jean Mercure
Hi Ed,
There were at least two DuButs and possibly three. The first one was
probably a contemporary of Denis
>>I'm afraid I'm going to mention the dreaded 'e' word again: what
evidence have you that the male alto ('countertenor') voice was used
historically to perform lute songs?
Aw come on Martyn! You'll be telling us next that lute players didn't
wear jester outfits or sing 'Hey N
Hi Stuart,
I accompanied a group of singers for a while, with a fair number of
Dowland songs in their repertoire. The tablatures for some of these
accompaniments are pretty tough to play (for me) and need a fair bit of
practice to get them into an acceptable state. I can hardly ima
Or a quick and dirty account here:
[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert_pitch#Pre-19th_century
Bill
From: howard posner
To: Baroque Lute List (E-mail)
Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2011, 19:41
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Compilation of historical pitches?
On Nov 30, 2011
>For most players, pitch was a given. If you lived in London in 1720
and the local pitch was A=410, you tuned your lute to A=410 or you
couldn't play with other instrumentalists else, which would make you
useless as a musician.
Not necessarily that straightforward - Suppose you had
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De : Martyn Hodgson <[1][4]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
A : William Samson <[2][5]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>;
"[3][6]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
<[4][7]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>;
Anthony Hind <[5][8]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>
Cc :
As far as I can see the only show-stopper for a lute tuned to 392Hz is
ensemble work, when the other musicians are tuned to a higher pitch
standard - usually 415Hz. That's where a 66cm baroque lute would be
useful. Having said that, not many lutes that small have survived. Of
cour
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From: William Samson
To: Stephan Olbertz
Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 8:42
Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D# Minor Suite: fretting implications
I believe that for a particular piece of music, you can tune the open
strings to notes
Very nice sound indeed! Congratulations to the lutenist and the
luthier.
Bill
From: wikla
To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011, 18:00
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] I got another 11-courser
Dear b-lutenists,
Today I got a new 11-course baroque lute,
What a wonderfully teasing performance! You'll have your audience
eating out of your hand.
Bill
From: Christopher Wilke
To: baroque lute list
Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011, 12:44
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Hagen Dm Sonata vids
Hello b-luters,
I've uploaded another rou
Having come from renaissance lute with all its thumb/forefinger action
on the treble strings, I'm finding that having my thumb on, say, the
third course is making life difficult when it has to leap down to the
tenth course, for example.
I would think the answer is to do more with i,m
for thought!
Bill
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From: Christopher Wilke
To: Rob MacKillop ; William Samson
Cc: "baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011, 18:21
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: L'infidele
Bil
I've no idea - don't know much at all about Weiss or the sources.
What does interest me, though, is your reference to his use of 12
courses. I wonder if this was just the usual 13c lute and the music
didn't call for the 13th course, or could it have been a distinct type
of lute, int
(or not) with hard evidence.
Incidentally, Diana Poulton had small hands, and she always played with
her little finger on the bridge.
Bill
From: Rob MacKillop
To: William Samson
Cc: Martyn Hodgson ; BAROQUE-LUTE
Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011, 12:44
Subject: Re: [BA
Hi Martyn,
I believe I've found David's stuff on string spacings in the archive:
[1]http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg19722.html
Best regards,
Bill
From: Martyn Hodgson
To: BAROQUE-LUTE ; Rob MacKillop
Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011, 10:25
Subject
Hi Rob,
I have no knowledge of the source of this suite. Do you know if it is
in Weiss's own hand?
I'm opening myself up to brickbats here, but it is usual for classical
guitarists to make slight alterations to the pieces they play, to suit
their own physical characteristics and s
Hi again,
Here's a translation of Nicholas Vallet's instructions from 1618. The
remarks about 'thumb inside' are amusing!
Bill
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To: David Smith ; "baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
Sent: Sunday, 4 September 2011, 9:01
Subject: Re: [BA
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Hi David,
I just dug out these translations I did back in 1980 for the Lute Society
Newsletter. I hope the attachments work OK. I should point out that my
knowledge of 17
Good point Stuart. I suspect that, like me, you were brought up
according to Diana Poulton's strict philosophy of only doing what there
was firm historical evidence for doing. I remember being chastised by
her for my bad classical guitarist habits, though it took me (and most
other
gn in a
similar situation in bar 3.
Mathias
>Best regards,
>Bill
>From: Benjamin Narvey <[1]luthi...@gmail.com>
>To: Rob MacKillop <[2]robmackil...@gmail.com>
>Cc: William Samson <[3]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>;
>"[
act I
wonder if this might really be an ornament (from below) written out to
show exactly what the composer intended?
Best regards,
Bill
From: Benjamin Narvey
To: Rob MacKillop
Cc: William Samson ;
"baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011, 1
I'm curious to know when the playing of notes with left hand only first
appeared. Clearly it was used whenever there were graces to be played,
but what about written-out phrases? I have noticed there are slur-like
indications in later baroque lute music under phrases that lend
them
>Tune up, that's what some of us would do, probably, as our nylgut or
nylon
>string will suffer it without breaking. If you go by the old rule, to
tune
>your 1st course first as high as it will suffer, and then the rest,
you will
>tune your lute down (i. e. the 2nd to 11th cour
ll
From: Rob MacKillop
To: William Samson
Cc: Baroque LuteNet
Sent: Monday, 22 August 2011, 8:29
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bouvier
I love D Major tuning. There is a big section in the Balcarres ms which
uses it, and I think it is the most successful part.
Rob
www.r
There are pieces by Bouvier in the Panmure 4 (En-9451) MS in D minor
tuning. There's another composer I haven't come across elsewhere
called Hautman - but the tuning he uses in Panmure 4 is D major.
Bill
From: "mathias.roe...@t-online.de"
To: Baroque Lute Net
Sent: Monday,
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