Re: Problem creating record

[Angel de Vicente]

Hi Roland,

many thanks for your help


"Roland Winkler"  writes:
>> 2. Once the BBDB buffer is shown, I would like that when I move to
>>another message, the BBDB buffer is updated automatically: now I have
>>to press ":" again to see the new sender, and if the sender is not in
>>BBDB, it just shows the previous sender, where ideally an empty
>>buffer would be better
>
> A continuously updated BBDB buffer is maintained via bbdb-mua-auto-update.
>
> See the section "Noninteractive functions" in README.

I have tried to follow the instructions there, but I don't seem to be
able to get it working

In my .emacs file I have:
,
| (require 'bbdb)
| (bbdb-initialize 'gnus 'message)
| (bbdb-mua-auto-update-init)
`

and I have modified the variables mentioned in the README file

bbdb-mua-pop-up is:
,
| bbdb-mua-pop-up is a variable defined in ‘bbdb.el’.
| Its value is t
`

,
| bbdb-mua-auto-update-p is a variable defined in ‘bbdb.el’.
| Its value is ‘query’
`

but the BBDB buffer is still not updated when I move from one message to
another in Gnus.


>> 3. Pressing ":" again gets rid of the BBDB buffer
>
> Either you let BBDB handle these things interactively via commands
> like bbdb-mua-display-records bound to ":" (see above, your item 1.),
> or you do them non-interactively (your item 2.)
>
> Anything else "do what I mean" you might have to hack on your own.

I would be happy to do this interactively, but I don't see any command
to close the BBDB buffer? (Do I just have to define my own?)


>> 4. If the sender is not in the database press some key and offer the
>>option to include it in the database.
>
> Interactive commands: bind bbdb-mua-update-interactive-p to your liking
> (see README).
>
> Noninteractively: see again the section "Noninteractive functions"
> in README.


OK, changing it to (query . query) now BBDB offers me to add a record to
the database.
,
| bbdb-mua-update-interactive-p is a variable defined in ‘bbdb.el’.
| Its value is (query . query)
| Original value was (search . query)
`


So, I'm very close to getting it to do what I would like, the only
important missing part is that I would like that once I have pressed ":"
and the BBDB buffer is visible, when I move to another mail message the
contents in the BBDB buffer are updated automatically.
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Re: Problem creating record

[Angel de Vicente]

Hi Wes,

Wes Hardaker  writes:
> I've been meaning to solve this problem for months.  It's been driving
> me nuts not to be able to create new records, so your message finally
> prompted me to dive into things and have come up with the following
> solution:
>
>   (defadvice bbdb-read-string (before bbdb-read-string-no-ivy activate)
> (ivy-mode 0))
>   (defadvice bbdb-read-string (after bbdb-read-string-yes-ivy activate)
> (ivy-mode 1))
>
> If you put the above into your emacs initialization it'll turn off
> ivy-mode while bbdb is prompting for strings.

Exactly what I was looking for. Many thanks for sharing the code.

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Re: Problem creating record

[Roland Winkler]

On Mon Jun 19 2017 Greg Bognar wrote:
> I am in the same situation with Wanderlust, so it seems a general
> BBDB3 problem.  With BBDB2 I was able to do something similar to
> what you describe in WL.  Now BBDB never asks to harvest any
> address (unless I press :), no matter what settings I try.  I
> asked about it on this list a few months ago, but didn't get
> anything useful.

Have you looked into the README file?

I know, it is not perfect.  But it should get you started.

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Re: Problem creating record

[Roland Winkler]

On Mon Jun 19 2017 Angel de Vicente wrote:
> Ideally I would like:
> 
> 1. when reading a message, see if the sender is in my database (I can do
>that by pressing ":")

It seems you figured this out.

> 2. Once the BBDB buffer is shown, I would like that when I move to
>another message, the BBDB buffer is updated automatically: now I have
>to press ":" again to see the new sender, and if the sender is not in
>BBDB, it just shows the previous sender, where ideally an empty
>buffer would be better

A continuously updated BBDB buffer is maintained via bbdb-mua-auto-update.

See the section "Noninteractive functions" in README.

> 3. Pressing ":" again gets rid of the BBDB buffer

Either you let BBDB handle these things interactively via commands
like bbdb-mua-display-records bound to ":" (see above, your item 1.),
or you do them non-interactively (your item 2.)

Anything else "do what I mean" you might have to hack on your own.

> 4. If the sender is not in the database press some key and offer the
>option to include it in the database.

Interactive commands: bind bbdb-mua-update-interactive-p to your liking
(see README).

Noninteractively: see again the section "Noninteractive functions"
in README.

Roland

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Re: Problem creating record

[Greg Bognar]

For the record:

On Mon 19 Jun 2017 at 11:52 Angel de Vicente wrote:
> [...] 
> What I don't seem to get is a nice integration with Gnus as I used to
> have with my previous BBDB version, 2.36. Ideally I would like:
> 
> 1. when reading a message, see if the sender is in my database (I can do
>that by pressing ":")
> 2. Once the BBDB buffer is shown, I would like that when I move to
>another message, the BBDB buffer is updated automatically: now I have
>to press ":" again to see the new sender, and if the sender is not in
>BBDB, it just shows the previous sender, where ideally an empty
>buffer would be better
> 3. Pressing ":" again gets rid of the BBDB buffer
> 4. If the sender is not in the database press some key and offer the
>option to include it in the database.
> 
> If anybody is using BBDB + Gnus and can give me some advice on how to
> get these things done I will appreciate it a lot.

I am in the same situation with Wanderlust, so it seems a general BBDB3 problem.
With BBDB2 I was able to do something similar to what you describe in WL.  Now
BBDB never asks to harvest any address (unless I press :), no matter what
settings I try.  I asked about it on this list a few months ago, but didn't get
anything useful.

Best,
Greg

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