Crashes j601 in Darwin/Mac ...
- joey
At 12:53 -0400 2006/04/16, Miller, Raul D wrote:
The script, below, reliably crashes with linux opengl.
I notice that the alloc code for linux has lines which say:
NB. !!! check if following is needed:
NB. ((*/wh)$0) memw pad,0,(*/wh),JINT
I'm not sure
This is hilarious! History repeating itself (in internet time).
In ancient days (1975) it was rumored that typing 9 enter
from a VTAM (Virtual Terminal Access Manager) connected terminal
would crash the IBM MVS mainframe OS.
Not believing that possible, Alex Morrow crashed the OS a few
At 09:02 -0400 2006/05/31, Eric Iverson wrote:
I am glad you are happy with jconsole and vi.
I am amused that you say the mysteries of the IDE pass you by. If
you didn't know that the ijs window was a text edit window that was
loaded with ctrl+w then you can't have spent more than a few
At 18:31 -0700 2006/05/31, Oleg Kobchenko wrote:
--- Joey K Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I was complaining about above was the opposite - when I
unintentionally (or intentionally, thinking of my usual habits)
include a copied EOL in an IDE paste - the line is stuffed
easily have a history that carried forward over
sessions (the list of lines is available data).
- Original Message - From: Joey K Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Beta forum beta@jsoftware.com
Cc: Beta forum beta@jsoftware.com
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: [Jbeta] J IDE
At 09:32 -0400 2006/06/03, Brian Schott wrote:
First the good news: I have found the way to get
some of these Mac-centric keystroke shortcuts to work now.
Now some not so good news:
.
There does NOT appear any way to make command+w
close a window.
Brian,
Thank
Use of y in place of y. et.al. has become the default
in Darwin (somewhat later than other OSs) You can get
old/forgiving behavior with
9!:49 ] 1
unrelated, but mean is the quintessential tacit definition -
mean =: +/%#
- joey
At 17:05 +0100 2006/06/19, David Wallin wrote:
Hi,
There
will be in the next beta. Please verify at that time
that this minimally satisfiies your requirements.
- Original Message - From: Joey K Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Beta forum beta@jsoftware.com
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Jbeta] Darwin #! script command line input
.
- Original Message - From: Joey K Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Beta forum beta@jsoftware.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Jbeta] #! script command line input limitations
Thanks! That sounds like a great improvement and I shall
verify it at first opportunity.
I
Eric,
I think you meant:
http://www.jsoftware.com/download/j601pbeta_linux32.tar.gz
At 13:27 -0400 2006/07/22, Eric Iverson wrote:
The p beta for Linux32 is available at:
http://www.jsoftware.com/download/j601pbeta_linux32.exe
Most problems discussed in the forum have been addressed.
And
At 16:20 -0700 2006/07/26, Oleg Kobchenko wrote:
There is a standard startup.ijs, which is supposed to be run
at session start. However, it only runs on GUI front end, not on
console, though the same profile is executed.
I rarely use the GUI (less than 0.1% of my time in j)
so that isn't
Neither one of these things happen for me with either
Safari or Firefox as a browser in OSX 10.4.7 - but I
will be quick to say that I HAVE (in the past) had some
very VERY strange renderings of pages that no one else
had any troubles with. AFAIK, this happened to me only
in OSX release 10.4.5,
At 11:22 -0400 2006/08/21, Miller, Raul D wrote:
Joey K Tuttle wrote:
I must say I find it remarkable that Windows users would
want the single click - in my use of J, when I focus a pane
I usually want to type input.
Windows offers a variety of mechanisms for brining a window
into focus
DPI, like in Safari.
--- Joey K Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 17:20 -0400 2006/08/21, Eric Iverson wrote:
bundles use. By the way, having the JW menu on the ijs etc.
pane instead of the main menu bar is non-standard and
not as pretty as if the menu items were on the main bar
(at least on my machine). The key indication
of the Mac LAF is that form menus are at the top of the screen and
not on the form.
Please confirm that with a clean install you have the Mac LAF and
that there is no need to fiddle with edit|configure.
- Original Message - From: Joey K Tuttle
Brian,
Your display is interesting in a couple of ways. I can't
attach screen shots here, so you have to trust that I'm
seeing what I say. I just did some more clean installs.
A cat of the config.ijs before starting jw the first time
finds there is no file. After the first startup (which
has
/08/09, Chris Burke wrote:
Joey K Tuttle wrote:
At 23:01 -0700 2006/07/26, Oleg Kobchenko wrote:
I was trying to say that startup.ijs should be called
for console too. And that would make the standard
method too hookup custom code.
In your method, you need to modify profile.ijs or
copy two
At 16:50 -0400 2006/08/23, Brian Schott wrote:
My Mac is LAFing Mac with the new beta. Under
Edit|Configure...Java Settings|Look and feel:Mac OS X Aqua
I should have also noted that Mac OS X Aqua doesn't
appear at all in my clean installs (the Aqua bit).
By the way, using tar -xzf
be because under Jdk 5.0 it's called
Mac OS X and under Jdk 4.02 it's called Mac OS X Aqua.
So it's not found in the selection.
--- Joey K Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 16:50 -0400 2006/08/23, Brian Schott wrote:
My Mac is LAFing Mac with the new beta. Under
Edit|Configure...Java Settings
.
- Original Message - From: Joey K Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Beta forum beta@jsoftware.com
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Jbeta] mac rectangle location
Eric,
On my G5 iMac (using ColorSynch Utility Calculate
magnifier - thanks for motivating me to find/use that
interesting
Eric,
Don't know if I even understand what the bug is, but I notice
that the display in the graphics window is different than what
see '' displays - in that the last element is a rather larger
circle - about 4 times the diamater of the square next to it...
Also, not sure of the reason(s) - but
to post) looked somewhat different than what came
back to me -- and I am greatly curious if the output I
received from you originally was really what good result
looks like ...
- joey
At 07:46 -0700 2006/08/25, Joey K Tuttle wrote:
Eric,
Don't know if I even understand what the bug is, but I
Wow, I can really come to love all this graphically
rich stuff... But just as a report, on my system,
G5 iMac with latest OS, Safari, and Firefox - Henry's
book looks quite nice and identical in both Safari
and Firefox.
At 23:03 +0800 2006/08/25, bill lam wrote:
It is very handy for henry's
to be very good/helpful)
- joey
At 08:13 -0700 2006/08/25, Joey K Tuttle wrote:
Wow, I can really come to love all this graphically
rich stuff... But just as a report, on my system,
G5 iMac with latest OS, Safari, and Firefox - Henry's
book looks quite nice and identical in both Safari
and Firefox
At 17:50 -0400 2006/08/25, Eric Iverson wrote:
(this time with the URL)
But without the usual installation instructions...
(but they are easy to recall with cntrlr :)
I confirm that Mac LAF is the default in a clean install
Not sure what to look for in the rectangle painting. The
results
At 10:46 -0700 2006/08/26, Devon McCormick wrote:
I just clicked on the link to download the Mac beta but it apparently
refers to the p version so it failed. Fortunately, I've paid enough
attention to the discussions to know that you're up to u so was able
to get that one.
Actually the
At 17:39 -0400 2006/09/01, Eric Iverson wrote:
The w beta for linux, linux64, and mac is available.
Please get these through the web site and take a look at the new
installation instructions.
They look good, seem to work as displayed.
The java crash object is not an instance of declaring
Oh, I forgot...
When I replied x to test the bin/sh exit from looking
at it a second time, my terminal window was also cancelled...
NOT nice (at all).
- joey
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- From: Joey K Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Beta forum beta@jsoftware.com
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Jbeta] test
At 18:19 -0400 2007/09/28, Eric Iverson wrote:
J602 betas are available.
First comment about install in OS 10.4.10 --
Strange/weird - (compared to any
I should have added that on my third installation
(into /usr/local/lib/) things worked very nicely
and a symbolic link in /usr/local/bin works out
of the box (except for my missing personal profile).
This is a very nice improvement - thanks.
- joey
, Joey K Tuttle wrote:
I should have added that on my third installation
(into /usr/local/lib/) things worked very nicely
and a symbolic link in /usr/local/bin works out
of the box (except for my missing personal profile).
This is a very nice improvement - thanks
OK - I apologize that when I didn't see the old/familiar
install.txt file, I just winged the installation -
clearly I need(ed) to RTFM...
Suggestion - perhaps a link to Release Highlights and
J602 Install would be a good thing on the
beta.htm page.
In my first scan of
specific but I don't think we can get into packaging options. I kind
of like the openness of the shell script.
The default location is ~/jsoftware/j602 not ~/j602 but I guess you
would consider that to be even more obtrusive.
- Original Message - From: Joey K Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED
is that J602 JFE finds the J directory that contains
the JFE and then requires everything to be there (JFE, JE,
profile.ijs, etc).
Hardlinks to the JFE are not supported and symlinks to the JFE must
be absolute paths.
- Original Message - From: Joey K Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Beta
which is useful if the pwd is an argument to
what you want to do.
- Original Message - From: Joey K Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Beta forum beta@jsoftware.com
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Jbeta] J602 installation
OK - I am dense and/or stubborn...
I have read
Yes, that is exactly what I want to achieve (and I
think correct and appropriate behavior).
Unfortunately not the j602 behavior.
- joey
At 10:18 +0800 2007/10/01, bill lam wrote:
Joey K Tuttle wrote:
My complaint is that I don't want my short name or alias
i.e. symlink, to have to reside
profile?
(I may be missing something)
--- Joey K Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BUT that's what I'm saying - I agree about not putting j602 in
PATH and all of J in its own folder is ideal (and BTW makes it
look like standard OS X applications).
My complaint is that I don't want my short name
Please also include this retraction in the Mac distibrution.
At 15:48 -0400 2007/10/01, Eric Iverson wrote:
We got carried away with the new box stuff in 601. Just because the
few linux systems we worked with had the same boxdraw font we
incorrectly assumed it was on all. My guess is that we
Great, I think that will be a boon for Mac users.
I just built a .dmg of j602 and it is quite lovely that
it mounts as a file system and everything seems to work
just fine. I will experiment some with dropping the j602
folder into Applications with the multi-user things in
profile.ijs filled in
It is late and I'm not as clearheaded as I would like -
but again this is real progress. Once again, I didn't
read install.txt and so just dropped j602 into /Applications
That worked fine, and didn't require that I authenticate
my desire to do it. That's because my own account has
admin
Yes, that is what I was surprised about. Finder can see/open
files in .app bundles, but requires cntrl click. Host commands
from j are unaware of the special character of .app files and
can see and work with the directory structure just fine.
I'm looking forward to poking at things like
Brian,
I think that is the point and reason Eric quickly reconsidered
the location of associated files. There really is no reason
to hide them, whether or not they are restricted access. I think
this is a great/productive discussion that will lead to a Mac
version that finally blends into the
The original reference was for Mac OSX which doesn't
have (by default) a /usr/local/ directory. However, it
is easy for a user to add one (although then one wants
to augment /etc/bashrc to include it in $PATH) - in Linux,
I agree jsoftware should use /usr/local/lib
- joey
At 11:20 +1300
Report on installing on Mac OSX
YES! very nice. Everything I've tried worked great.
I put a symbolic link in my /usr/local/bin, and used the
new BINPATH in my personal profile.ijs and all of it
seems to stick together and couldn't be easier to install.
Thanks - joe
At 17:24 -0400 2007/11/02,
I would like to continue to campaign for j602-user to be located
in ~/Documents/ in Mac OSX.
Location of profile.ijs is fine where it is in j602/bin/. Seems
easy to arrange a custom profile for the system.
There is some problem with an administrator dropping j602.app into
the /Applications/
put other programming stuff under ~/MacDev etc,
not Documents/MacDev,
because dev is not documents.
Maybe its time to put Confirm Quit in Configuration?
Oleg
On Nov 4, 2007, at 13:49, Joey K Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to continue to campaign for j602-user to be located
Yes, I had assumed it was a permissions issue, but had not
poked at it. Your suggestion does indeed clear the problem.
Thanks - joey
At 16:01 -0500 2007/11/04, Eric Iverson wrote:
The reason a non-admin user can't run J from Applications is a permission
problem (some files are missing group
At 08:20 -0500 2007/11/27, Eric Iverson wrote:
The cbeta is available. See the web site beta page.
The cbeta does not include a new JE or Library.
It tries to address all of the installation issues. With luck this
is nearly the final version for isntallation issues.
Related to
At 07:19 +0200 2009/10/16, neit...@marshlabs.gaertner.de wrote:
We console users need to look at documentation and hunt for functions, too!
Amen.
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My point was that I've always used
fread =: 1!:1@
and never use the one from 'files' - I wasn't paranoid that I
wouldn't be able to retrofit my simplistic definitions, just saying
.
On the streamed IO and ReadLine() - I agree that could be really useful!
At 10:56 -0700
Even so, this is the best display of j I've seen on my iPod. The width issue
seems to be fixed (or at least it isn't a problem for me). I have the most
recent beta running on OSX and my Linux mail/web server. Very smooth
installations. This looks exciting!
- joey
On 2009 Nov 27, at 11:59 ,
At 14:52 -0500 2009/11/27, Eric Iverson wrote:
The significant change is that jshupd'' [sic] will download the latest
jjserver.ijs script from the site. This will make it much more convenient to
distribute jhs updates. This is a mini JAL just for jhserver.ijs.
To play with j701, I am running it
At 15:21 +1300 2009/12/04, Sherlock, Ric wrote:
* List the files/dirs available in the current directory in listbox
(say 7 lines or so?) rather than dropdown
This is one where the dropdown is really nice on the iPod/iPhone -
much more convenient than a listbox. But there will always be
I have enrolled in a class on creating iPhone web applications. These
are server based apps that look like, and have some of the nice
features of native iPhone apps. I think the techniques they are
describing will be useful to build mobile applications in j,
especially considering the new
The $35/79 package will include the live classes (and interaction) as
well as code segments used in the examples and excerpted chapters
from various O'Riley books used as resources. Edited, but not
separately produced. Not a bad deal.
The advantage of sitting in live is the feeling of being in
In fooling with my iPod running jijx, I have found that in iPod
Safari ( is mapped to down arrow and is mapped to up arrow -
while this is handy for recalling lines, it makes many phrases
impossible to enter... I haven't found any option to disable this
behavior.
Anyone else observing this?
Actually, Eric assumed that I was reporting on his small group
setup - but I was really talking about the original j7 distribution
that I run on my Linux mail/web server. My ) problem report was
for using the initial distribution. It also fails in the facility
Eric describes below. I
All of the older systems supprt this very well using GCI. I like j as
a server side engine and (almost) never use the GUI...
Sent from my iPod - excuse terseness and typos.
- joey
On Mar 27, 2010, at 14:02, Eric Iverson eric.b.iver...@gmail.com
wrote:
Perhaps I misunderstand the
to use some language
like Flash or perhaps Java? Do we have examples of how such a program
would send information back to a server? (I assume the server interface
would still follow the HTTP spec).
Henry Rich
Joey K Tuttle wrote:
All of the older systems supprt this very well using GCI. I
Brian,
I don't see the problem you report. The demos all seem to work very
well. I was especially impressed with the grid (jdemo6). The error
you report indicates that the j engine which on my installation seems
to open a Terminal window and run -
iMg5:~ jkt$
Brian,
About OSX jhs701.app which opens a Terminal window and executes -
/Applications/j701/bin/jhs.command ; exit;
If the second Unix command (exit) is omitted, then the window stays
live and it is easy to restart j by picking the previous line.
Typing exit'' as jijx input is one way to
-user).
I too am for minimizing complexity, but loosing profilex.ijs seems
like a step in the wrong direction for that goal...
At 12:15 +1200 2010/06/10, Sherlock, Ric wrote:
From: Joey K Tuttle
Sent: Thursday, 10 June 2010 07:15
On the negative side, jconsole doesn't work (the way I
At 19:03 -0400 2010/06/18, Eric Iverson wrote:
The jum password problem has been fixed and you can now create new acconts.
Eric,
Just a report to say that I have no troubles with the new JHS - works
from Safari 5.0 on the desktop, and on my iPod (nice to have the
graphs and forms there!)
I'm lost in the swamp... I decided it was time to update my beta
stuff and try some of the big deal stuff on my own machines. So, I
started on the Linux 64 bit installation and got stuck in the mud -
then went to my 32 bit server and got to the same dead end...
In both cases, the first time I
along the way I've messed up the remote access/login
stuff. I'll try to sort it by the end of tomorrow.
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Joey K Tuttle j...@qued.com wrote:
I'm lost in the swamp... I decided it was time to update my beta
stuff and try some of the big deal stuff on my own
on the installed button. Remember that
you will need to restart your jhs instance to access the updates.
Yes, that is the version I picked up. But the restarting bit is where
I hit the wall - unless I modify the jhs_default.ijs file...
From: Joey K Tuttle
Sent: Tuesday, 10 August 2010 08:05
Update in Linux64 went smoothly with no surprises (well, it took a
little guessing/futzing on how to get the update).
In my Linux32 server, it was much more tedious (for reasons that
aren't clear at all), but after reinstalling the whole system,
updating to get to the new jhs.ijs and then
At 23:47 -0400 2010/08/10, Eric Iverson wrote:
See help from any of the IDE menus. Or do the gc demo with:
jgcx''
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Joey K Tuttle j...@qued.com wrote:
I would still like to be able to do the lineplot and pieplot demos on
my own servers, where might
Agree!
(but saying it 5 times seems a bit excessive .:)
At 22:11 -0400 2010/10/18, Eric Iverson wrote:
Some experienced users consider a welcome every time to be a nuisance. So
then you need a way to configure the welcome off and so on. I'd be happy to
have help be a stdlib noun, but
Snow Leopard (OSX 10.6) runs only on Intel processors - period.
At 11:27 AM -0500 11/01/17, Charles Turner wrote:
Could you upgrade the OSX on your PPC machine? I have a G4 iBook
running very happily on Leopard, and imagine that if you have
anything slightly more powerful, Snow Leopard
As much as I love my PPC iMac, with its bits in sensible order, I
agree with your decision.
Five years ago, when I bought my last PPC (G5) I did it even though
the writing was on the wall and the Intel iMac was the current
machine - I don'g regret having done that and it has worked very
well.
Hidden files are indeed sort of silly here. I was/am a little nonplussed
by having to always explicitly supply the '~user/...' to find my files
saved inside the j folder - I agree with your assessment of iTune's
brain activity...
I do find that they persist over quit/restart (and presumably
Wow! Is a response I've made several times about this new version of j.
Marvelous that such a powerful application is so compact.
Since I couldn't resist, one of the first expressions I entered on my iPhone 4
(not the faster 4s) was -
6!:2 '%. 500 500 ?@$ 1000'
18.2
Amazing!
The graphs
(its clock display stopped
while processing!)
The power we hold in our hand is amazing. Thank you Jsoftware
Cheers, bob
Sent from my iPhone
On 2012-05-11, at 9:10 PM, Joey K Tuttle j...@qued.com wrote:
6!:2 '%. H 100x
0.269
37.7253 96.9651 297.398
I'm not sure what this means, but it is interesting
On 2012/05/11 22:34 , Joey K Tuttle wrote:
On my iPhone 4
6!:2 '%. H 100x'
686.568
I
Interesting to compare the iPho
- joeyiPho...
On May 11, 2012, at 22:08, bob therriaultbobtherria
Of course, if you touch and hold a spot in the display the magnifier
comes on and lets you position rather accurately.
On 2012/05/13 10:14 , Eric Iverson wrote:
I will think about this. It makes more sense on a computer as you are
touching the line with the mouse which is quite accurate. The
I was trying to experiment with selecting lines in output area for editing by
touching past the line (to avoid having the cursor in the middle of the line,
should the preserve cursor position be implemented) -- when ...
** BUG REPORT **
I found that selecting a wrapped line, e.g. Result of
Bravo! I'm not even unhappy that the annoying shift to alphabetic reappears
(if entering a space between numbers) ...
This is great progress, thanks for all the good work!
- joeyiPa...
On May 14, 2012, at 14:37, Eric Iverson eric.b.iver...@gmail.com wrote:
I forgot to mention the best
Received notice and installed with no problem on iPhone and iPad.
I have noticed that recently my iPad seems to shutdown j fairly quickly
if it isn't active. That is, I go back to try new things and find I'm in
a clean work space with the Welcome to J message at the top. It makes me
wish for
Crashes in iOS too...
On Linux (j701) it causes a stack error ...
- joeyiPa...
On May 26, 2012, at 16:44, Paul Jackson plj...@gmail.com wrote:
foo=: 3 : 0
#y
)
foo0 'this';'and';'that'
4 3 4
foo=:foo 0
foo
foo0
foo 'this';'and';'that'NB. Instant death, no error
As usual, the apps installed cleanly and quickly, but there is a little
quirk on the iPhone. Seems the J icon is replaced by one that has the
Welcome to J message (kind of a fly's eye view of the working screen)
instead of the stylized J... (this doesn't seem to happen on the iPad)
I
Ah HAH!
That explains an annoyance I have had for years!! Namely that ~ doesn't
work (as I would expect) in 1!:x expressions... Keeping in mind that
I've never used Windows, and always been in a 'nix environment - because
of my frustration (many years ago) I keep in my profile (start.ijs now,
On 2012/05/30 18:48 , Eric Iverson wrote:
/*What's New:*
/
/hview rightswipe dismisses welcome script/
I tried but didn't succeed with this one, and it caused me to revisit my
complaint of not being able to switch hviews. I played with this some
more and found that I can get hviews to switch
I echo Bob's remarks - adding WOW! Nice job.
To be fair, I didn't expect to be as impressed with the local help as I am
after trying it. Having Henry's JforCers is really nice for new users. It would
be lovely to have an entry document oriented to this new environment, and now
the foundations
Oh! You misunderstood me -- I wasn't asking for more, just giving kudos
for the great work you've already done!
Thanks for the hint on extending things, already there are a great
number of possibilities.
There is one burning question ... what happened to release 1.21? NB.
this is a tongue
I agree with John, looks very good on iPhone4.
I downloaded help on my iPhone and it is good to have there, even if it
is a bit tedious to use. I think useability can be addressed after some
wider feedback.
My results with swiping are still erratic and sometimes confusing - and
I've been used
When I first read your post, I missed the when in debug mode condition
and tried i.200 2 with no trouble, even i. 4000 2 without a problem
scrolling up and selecting the line and inputting with the crook-arrow
key. I was doing this on my iPhone and it ran out of session buffer
before the same
On 2012/06/02 14:27 , Joey K Tuttle wrote:
if I execute 995$'9' I can recall the line from the output area
I should have noted that my start.ijs contains the line:
9!:37] 0 1 150 150 NB. set longer output lines
So I get the full display of 995 characters from 995$'9'
Long lines
There was an interesting article in today's San Jose Mercury about the
Apple Worldwide Developers Conference which starts tomorrow in San
Francisco. A couple of things jumped out at me in the article, including
the lead-in -
The blistering pace of ticket sales for Apple's (AAPL) Worldwide
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