Re: [board-discuss] Report about numbers from Apple App Store
Hi all, it's sad to see that the board is not willing or able to report to the TDF members (not even internal) on the Apple App Store numbers from the last years. The board shows not even the will to give an interim message. This shows the lack of respect face to face with the members. Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Report about numbers from Apple App Store
Hi, Am 25.11.22 um 14:02 schrieb Michael Meeks: On 23/11/2022 17:22, Andreas Mantke wrote: You try to mislead the audience a bit here. I see no evidence of that from Thorsten. It's not a 'donor' but a business entity from the eco system. And it is not a donation but a business deal. I've been criticized for many things, but being criticized in relation to Collabora's donations to TDF is a newish one =) Please stop repeatedly mis-characterizing our donations. I quote from another email on this list, which explains a bit the meaning of 'donor'/'donation': --- begin quote - For those who like wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation Per se donations are given without return consideration. In theory. In German language 'donation/donor/donate' translate to 'Spende/Spender/spenden'. It is quite similar to the English 'spend'. Both derive from the common linguistic root. At some point in the Anglo-Saxon environment 'spend' got more and more the meaning in the spirit of 'spend money', 'cost'. German language kept the meaning of 'generous', 'unconditional', 'voluntary', 'charitable', 'non-profit', etc. and 'without return consideration'. --- end quote If you get an asset from a charity and give back something (e.g. money) in return, it's not a donation, but a business deal. And this applies to this whole story here. Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Report about numbers from Apple App Store
On 23/11/2022 17:22, Andreas Mantke wrote: You try to mislead the audience a bit here. I see no evidence of that from Thorsten. It's not a 'donor' but a business entity from the eco system. And it is not a donation but a business deal. I've been criticized for many things, but being criticized in relation to Collabora's donations to TDF is a newish one =) Please stop repeatedly mis-characterizing our donations. Regards, Michael. -- michael.me...@collabora.com <><, GM Collabora Productivity Hangout: mejme...@gmail.com, Skype: mmeeks (M) +44 7795 666 147 - timezone usually UK / Europe -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Report about numbers from Apple App Store
Hi Thorsten, Am 22.11.22 um 21:22 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: It is indeed unusual to discuss individual donations (in kind and monetary) of any specific donor, even more so in public. So, detached from an individual case, there might be different views on the meaning of 'donation/donor'? For those who like wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation Per se donations are given without return consideration. In theory. In German language 'donation/donor/donate' translate to 'Spende/Spender/spenden'. It is quite similar to the English 'spend'. Both derive from the common linguistic root. At some point in the Anglo-Saxon environment 'spend' got more and more the meaning in the spirit of 'spend money', 'cost'. German language kept the meaning of 'generous', 'unconditional', 'voluntary', 'charitable', 'non-profit', etc. and 'without return consideration'. TDF in general is grateful for all contributions, big and small. Absolutely. Best Stephan -- Stephan Ficht, Member of the Board of Trustees Affiliation: The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Report about numbers from Apple App Store
Hi Alex, Am 22.11.22 um 22:41 schrieb Alexander Thurgood: Hi Andreas, Perhaps I'm missing something, but why would the board have these figures, unless the private company distributing the product agreed to provide them, or was under some contractual obligation to do so? sorry but it's a bit difficult to explain. There had been some agreements about the process. Just trying to understand exactly what it is you're trying to say, or prove, as a point? Personally speaking, I'm glad to be able to see how popular LibreOffice via the app store actually is. I'm glad about that too. The numbers from the Apple app store, Florian published on Monday (https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/2022/msg01072.html), showed it nicely. Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Report about numbers from Apple App Store
Good evening Thorsten, hi all, Am 22.11.22 um 21:22 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Good evening Andreas, hi all, Andreas Mantke wrote: I asked the board more than three weeks ago, to provide to TDF members the numbers from the Apple app store for the last years. The current numbers were just published by Florian; for the past - correct, he posted the link to the numbers on Monday. you've received a quite detailed answer from Michael Meeks on the members list. There were no detailed numbers in the answer from Michael, but only an explanation, that he'd like to write an article (or a blog post?) about the numbers but that he is not able to do this because he is to busy with other tasks. Thus there were no detailed answer given, neither by the board nor by Michael. It is indeed unusual to discuss individual donations (in kind and monetary) of any specific donor, even more so in public. TDF in general is grateful for all contributions, big and small. You try to mislead the audience a bit here. It's not a 'donor' but a business entity from the eco system. And it is not a donation but a business deal. A donation was given without any reward, but this was not the case here. Thus I'm curious if and when the board is able and willing to give an report about the numbers from the past to the TDF members. Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Report about numbers from Apple App Store
Hi Andreas, Perhaps I'm missing something, but why would the board have these figures, unless the private company distributing the product agreed to provide them, or was under some contractual obligation to do so? Just trying to understand exactly what it is you're trying to say, or prove, as a point? Personally speaking, I'm glad to be able to see how popular LibreOffice via the app store actually is. Alex Le 22 nov. 2022 à 20:16, à 20:16, Andreas Mantke a écrit: >Hi all, > >I asked the board more than three weeks ago, to provide to TDF members >the numbers from the Apple app store for the last years. But I and the >TDF members got no answer from the board about this numbers although I >reminded the board multiple times. > >Although I asked for at least an interim message the board was not able >to provide such a status report. It looks as if there are reasons why >the board is not willing or able to work on such a report and exchange >the data with the TDF members. Thus I make this way of interaction with >the TDF members public here. > >I look forward if the board see reason to change its behavior and >provide the requested report immediately (or at least an interim >message >with a detailed description of the current status of this task). > >Regards, >Andreas > >-- >## Free Software Advocate >## Plone add-on developer >## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog > > >-- >To unsubscribe e-mail to: >board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org >Problems? >https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >Posting guidelines + more: >https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >List archive: >https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ >Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Report about numbers from Apple App Store
Good evening Andreas, hi all, Andreas Mantke wrote: > I asked the board more than three weeks ago, to provide to TDF members > the numbers from the Apple app store for the last years. > The current numbers were just published by Florian; for the past - you've received a quite detailed answer from Michael Meeks on the members list. It is indeed unusual to discuss individual donations (in kind and monetary) of any specific donor, even more so in public. TDF in general is grateful for all contributions, big and small. I suppose that might have been the reason, that nobody from the board felt compelled to engage with your request yet. All the best, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: PGP signature
